Here Today... Gone To Hell!

When/If the album is finally released, do you think the band members will scatter like a dropped jar of marbles? Do you think that's something that's on Axl's mind?

(Fast) food for (passive) thought.

Why in the world would they do that man?  ???

I doubt they would do that.  Those guys have invested a hell of a lot of time in the band.  Axl has encouraged them to pursue solo ventures and encouraged them to tour with other bands or on their own when there was down time in the recording process.  And after CD comes out they're going to get to play THEIR stuff on tour a lot more often than 4-6 songs a show.  After CD comes out they really get to show off their own tunes more, I don't see why they would leave that behind.  That, and they can all make a lot more money touring with Guns than they can anywhere else.  You do a couple of GnR world tours and you're set for life if you're careful with your money

I hear what you're saying. But, there is that whole 'if' and 'when' attached to it.

I keep thinking that, as a musician, I'd want to be out there playing as much as I could, releasing as much music as I could and not having to keep my cards to close to my chest regarding projects. With such an agonizing battle in getting this album out the door, you have to wonder whether the guys are willing to do it all over again. I obviously don't know anything about the situation, so I'm not trying to sound like 'this is how it is', but I always think about the guys and what they must be envisioning for their futures.

There is really no sense in speculating about what happens after the release of CD.

There is already more than enough speculation when (and if at all) CD will be released.

You're right, Thor. Let's talk about Tommy's hand instead.

Mysteron, can you confirm that Tommy's hand is back to normal size?

*waits with baited breath*

Sorry, but if you ask a stupid question, you gotta expect a stupid response. Some of these guys have been working this album as much as 10 years - why, after all that effort, would they then leave. Would they not relish the opportunity of finally getting to play those songs, the money, fame, whatever else? Now if, even after the album is released, Axl decides to go back to playing AFD again, then there may be a problem. But that won't happen.

The only question is whether or not they decide to go back to recording after a tour. Well if they are songs they've been working on for that long, why would they?

Why do you assume they've only worked on material for one album?




/jarmo

There's certainly enough material here for 2!  :hihi:

Look, you can think it's a stupid notion if you'd like. However, consider this for just a moment: For you guys, playing in GN'R would be a dream come true, right? These guys have done that. For a few years, now. They could ALL play with ANYONE. They are THAT good and have their individual reputations keeping them bouyant. Once the album(s) is(are) out there and everyone can hear what they've done for the past 10 years, they'll still receive accolade for their work. But, will they want to continue on with GN'R? What would really keep the band members together and involved in such an odd organization as this if they were no longer waiting patiently to finally release the fruits of their labours?

But why do you think releasing just one album is what they're in GN'R for?



/jarmo

Why shouldn`t they want to continue after the fuckin album is is finally out after all these years? That would be completely stupid. And besides a band is not a soccer team, where the players are simply snapped away from other teams. And also they can do pretty much they want when they are not having work to do for GnR....

I think the point was whether or not they would stick around if they thought they wouldn't get to write and release another record for another 13 years, but seriously, who would ever take 13 years or more to release an album, that would never happen.

I'm not saying that they are. The bottom line is, I wonder how much loyalty will exist once the record finally drops. No band anywhere has ever had such a intriguing, strange, unexplainable barrier to releasing a bloody record as has Guns N' Roses. The band has been loyal up until now, for the most part, and I truly don't think that money is all that is keeping the guys on board. But, part of me thinks that once the project has seen the light of day, they'll all shake hands and go their separate ways. There. I said it.

You mean there won't be GNR after that?


the music and the chemistry would, same as before.  :yes:

"These are my people, I have a fucking great time with them"----Tommy

Even if they pre-recorded a bunch of music back in the day for multiple albums releases, most of that would end up getting scrapped because bands always grow so much more musically as a band and unit after having been on the road and touring together. GNR today would release a much different album than they would have recorded 2-3 years ago from just having been out on the road together. If they actually do a big world tour after they release the album, the same would hold true for how much better a record they could write having played 150+ live dates over the next 2 or so years than they would even right now.

This whole business the last 5 years about recording all of these albums worth of material cheats the creative process, because they will grow more as a unit having been on the road together than they ever would have sitting in a studio trying to record their first album.

I hope so, please don't get me wrong. I sure don't want to see this band disband. It's interesting to see how strongly you all feel about it. Cheers.

I can't think of a reason in the world why that would happen.

well, my thread asking that just got deleted...
did they finish recording all of the 32 songs or just the 13 for the CD?!
the Del article left that unclear

they are apparantly still in mixing stage, cause otherwise we'd be notified right?

Now the question indeed is whether they are mixing mupltiple discs or just one.  Or are they mixing all those songs, 32 Axl mentioned somewhere in an interview. Or are they still discussing which songs make the cut on Chinese Democracy? That takes time too? Ron did record new parts right? As did Frank? I think it would take quite some time to decide what fits, what part makes a song better and what does not. Other then that all the legal crap going on, what to do with that? The artwork for Chinese Democracy. All these things takes time, and for all to be in the right place? I think we are in for a very long wait still to come.  :(

these guys get to do their side projects anyway, so why would they want to leave? If it takes axl another 10-15 years to release the next cd, then they can have plenty of time in between recording and writing for the gnr album to do basically everything most musicians couls ever dream to do.

thats where Super Adler saves the day with reunion talks.

after CD's release i think the band will be even tighter and feel a special bond and shit more then before you know,


as for mixing now i think that after all this time and they are still mixing maybe they are mixing the upcoming records too so that wont take as long time later if they are planing on releasing a record per year or something you know..

anyway, the future will be great and kick our asses so much

I agree 100% with this. I can't see why these guys wouldn't be 1 tight unit after everything they've gone through together.

you mean, like the original band was tighter after releasing AFD?

No. But they will if it doesnt come soon.

You mean releasing AFD was like releasing CD? :o

I second cheap Jon's 1st and last lines.


like
mixing is done and now we're in mastering stage? 
we'll be notified in regard to the release date.



2 drummers are enough.

There is no reason why the stability of the band will be worse after the release than it has been for the past 10 years.

This is crazy no way would the band scatter after the cd came out. They all put so much time in to this and all want it to work in to something great again. Like one of you said, they do solo things when they have free time.

I remember reading an interview with Dizzy quite a few years back.  He was saying then that Axl had enough songs started, that if he finished them all he could put out about 4 more albums.  Hope it's true!

then plan is 3 cds in 3 years.

it's funny...

i was just thinking about creat a thread like this.... but a short different....

my question is..... what will happen to GN'R before ChD release???? How many years will pass until the next album????

and if ChD won't include any of the known musics leaked... or if it doesn't even call ChD????

 ???

well I dont know for sure, but it's natural to assume CD will be out this year.

and as to follow up, we dont know.

NO, in my opinion it seems like theyll prolly be closer then ever

the initial rumour was that they were working on 3 albums, but however even if they only have the work for one album if it is the big success we all think it will be then they will have no reason to leave and on top of that they have no other reasons (as far as we know) to leave either so i would suspect we will get more music from them after cd

The Beatles were not together as a band very long........and yet the music they left us with!

Maybe the question should be "What will happen to the band members after all the material CURRENTLY PLANNED FOR RELEASE is out?" But then we'd be getting into pure crystal ball territory if there really is 4 albums worth.

I think after CD is released there is still going to be a fairly substancial wait for the next album regardless of how many songs are currently "ready".

Axl seem to like progress in his albums stylewise and 32 songs recorded at the time of CD ,are going to sound like CD, just like a song from the AFD sessions is likely to sound like AFD rather than the UYI stuff. I can't see Axl sitting back and releasing another album of the same kind of stuff.

So, I would still expect the band to be busy rewriting, re-recording, and generally improving and updating pre-done songs as well as doing new songs.

As for whether it is the same members, I think 99% of the people on this board are not qualified to comment on the true relationships between the band members, however, my opinion would be that we would see the same members except for say, 1 change for every year or year and a half of a gap between the albums. So if the gap is three years between CD and CD2 (or whatever is next) I would expect a couple of changes due to natural attrition more than anything else. Seems like a reasonable assumption.

Of course hopefully we wlll be looking at a 12 to 18 month gap rather than a gap of a few years!

This here is a true fan people ^

Won't let trivial stuff like years of waiting and never ending replacements ruin things. :hihi:

first, i dont think they'll split up.  i met Robin at a bar in Providence RI a while ago, and i went to the first show at Hammerstein and met Ron Thal afterwards.  They both seem to enjoy working with Axl.   But then again, that is definately obsolete information. 

Second, when i saw GnR in london, axl said he was working on THREE albums.  Thats also obsolete, and i also believe CD may be a triple disc albumn.  Its never been done before, it would explain the delays, and if anyone was gonna do it, it would be Axl, the only man who can bring what i call "metal-rock" back from the dead. 

Hey! "metal-rock". Well put!!! :rofl:

he wouldn't be the first with a triple album . Prince already did it ,if I'm not mistaken.

Prince has done it at least twice actually (Emancipation and Crystal Ball). Seem to remember seeing three LP's in one release before as well, but can't think of any off the top of my head.

band stability??? gnr???

this was a joke, right?

there never has been band stability in the gnr world. there's been plenty of turnover in recent years, and i'm sure that will continue.

but i think it has little to do with IF the album ever comes out. probably more to do with touring, since i'm assuming that's where today's members of gnr make the majority of their $$.

"All Things Must Pass" by George Harrison to name at least one triple album.

Of coarse I've no proof (nor will I pretend otherwise) but I think that the monkey on this bands back is Chinese Democracy.? It remains to seen how its going to be recieved, but my guess is that once this baby is on the market, the whole band will go from strength to strength.? Axl has been, its common knowledge, been dealing with a lot of demons over the years, this album has been troubling him as we know and it may be for reasons we haven't touched upon.? Having experienced a breakdown myself, writing your thoughts and feelings is a great way to release the troubles one has, (it doesn't quite work on a PC funnily enough ???).

Now the point is, this being a huge step, I would imagine that the great one, will have to be ready to face the (music I was gonna say) public. It isn't enough to release the thing, the meaning of lyrics? will be asked of him, speculated upon and even (suprise suprise) bullshit about, Axl can't unrelease the genie from the jar, if he's not ready to face the world with this.

That said, upto 2005, I beleive the demons were still in evidence, but through dealing with these and clearing up issues surrounding its release, I would think that the time is near.

The other members had careers in other bands, just like the original line-up. Like Jarmo said, "who says they've only done one albums worth of recording?" I think a second album will drop about 1 year on from CD and will be accepted as a genuine Guns n Roses album. I also believe that newer members may add to the writing of songs on the 2nd album, comfirming their status as fully fedged members of the band.

I agree with alot of this. I just know that if I put as much time and energy into something that I presume these guys have with this project, I couldn't see doing anything but showing it my full attention and support after it was finished.