Is Rhiad and Silk Worms weak?

[volcano62]

I've been a hardcore GN'R fan since I was 8 years old in 88 and have never complained about anything before! Even My World is great!!

But as much as I try I can't seem to respect Rhiad And The Bedouins and Silk Worms. I mean the main riff in Rhiad is cool but there is something missing. Silk Worm is simply odd. Is it cause I just have bad bootlegs? Or does everybody feel the same way?

[Izzy]

I still haven't heard Rhiad - but Silkworms is a strange song with some truly horrific lyrics. The keyboard work is pretty good but its a rather bizarre choice to play live - well Axl is mad, maybe we shouldn't be surprised....

[The Estranged MrFlashbax]

i never heard rhiad.. i only heard silkworms from rir3.. and i like it.. 

[Dave_Rose]

I like the riff in Rhiad there isn't really any good versions of Rhiad out there same for Silkworms they are bizzare songs with weird lyrics I'd like to know what they are about

[Malcolm]

Didnt Dizzy write Silkworms?

[The Estranged MrFlashbax]

Didnt Dizzy write Silkworms?

dizzy and chris pittman..

[AdZ]

It was Dizzy and Chris Pittman.

[Malcolm]

ya..so ovcourse its not gonna be axl material...and cant say nothing abou rhiad havent herd it

[loretian]

I like Rhiyads and the Bedouins (I know I'm probably not spelling those right...)  It's true, there's no real good versions of it, but afer listening many times, I've gotten the feel of the song, and it just seems like a modern day Led Zep song to me.  The singing, the guitar playing, everything.  I really hope it's gonna be on Chinese Democracy.

[axl_rose_700]

Izzy, I'm surprised you haven't found time to tell us all how good Chris Pittman is seen as we are in a thread about one of his songs... 

[Mr Cowbell ?]

Yes silkworms is weak and if he made an album of "silkworms" like songs it would be horrible. Its sounds like a filler song for a local band. There is nothing stand out (in a good way) that makes this song a good GnR song, so far from what I have heard. Throwing "My World 2" on CD to even just fill in space will be disappointing.

[Crashdiet]

Both brillant tunes as far as i'm concerned.... the reason so many people don't like them is because the sound qualty on the bootlegs sucks ass...

[Scabbie]

I would love to know where I could get MP3 versions of these songs, until then I have no opinion

Can anyone tell me which shows these songs were recorded at?

[Krispy Kreme]

Bootlegs or no, both songs are extemely weak and among the worst ever played by GNR.

[Thorazine Shuffle]

Bootlegs or no, both songs are extemely weak and among the worst ever played by GNR.



True....

But unlike most songs they stick around in your head.  They are hard to forget.

[GNR_Green]

I think Rhiyad is good but could do with changing around slightly.  Silkworms is not as bad as a lot of people say it is.  I think some people just have a big problem with electronic music, especially when it's GN'R playing it.  I think that as electro-rock (or whatever) goes it's pretty good, with some interesting sounds.  The lyrics aren't classic though.  It's like a mix between NIN and Prodigy with Axl singing over it!

[Izzy]

Izzy, I'm surprised you haven't found time to tell us all how good Chris Pittman is seen as we are in a thread about one of his songs...?

Well Silkworms may be rubbish but i just know Chris Pittman is just saving his 'a' material - and hey, i did say the keyboards where good - he's the jewel in the crown of the new line up!

[ktucker450]

There is a good version of Rhiad and the Bedouins, it's from Osaka and it's Axl's ear monitor mix, I love this song it's awesome, I hated silk worms at first but I started listening to it at Rio 3 and it is slowly growing on me just like Oh My God, but I think Rhiad and the Bedouins is a KICK ASS song and it does remind me of the immigrant song by led zeppelin quite a bit as well.

[minto]

Axl has actually said that the songs we've heard will probably not be singles as he is keeping the best stuff back.  Wait and see 

[MadmanDan]

I like Rhiyads and the Bedouins (I know I'm probably not spelling those right...)? It's true, there's no real good versions of it, but afer listening many times, I've gotten the feel of the song, and it just seems like a modern day Led Zep song to me.? The singing, the guitar playing, everything.? I really hope it's gonna be on Chinese Democracy.

My thoughts exactly!!  And I'm sure the song isn't finished

[nesquick]

I hope Axl wrote much better tunes over these last 10 years...with a Rock vibe. let's back to classic rock music. Stop this "indus/techno" joke. That is not GN'R. I don't want a "my world" type album?
I really hope he wrote some great "classic-rock" tunes. just pure Rock n' Roll, or blues-rock or ballads or whatever, just Rock n' Roll music based on guitars. electric/electro-accoustic/accoustic guitars whatever, just GUITARS. not computers...

the blues (rio version) is perfect. Here is a nice song!?

[Izzy]

Axl has actually said that the songs we've heard will probably not be singles as he is keeping the best stuff back.? Wait and see?

He also said

'where not working on this stuff to keep it buried'

and

'we'll see u next summer' (2001)

The only reason they won't be singles is because GNR don't look likley to ever put out another album

[Axl_owns_dexter]

We need studio versions if we are going to compare anything new to the old stuff.  Even if only for the reason that Axl's live voice just doesn't do justice to his studio vocals (sweet child '99  ).

[RumJungle]

I was at the the very first Vegas show and even though Rhiad was a song I never heard before, I thought it was a stand-out.  The bootlegs suck, there is so much more to this song that you just cant hear from an audience recording.
 I was totally blown away and the Chorus stuck in my head even after one listen.

This song kicks ass in every way.  People who were at that show know what Im talkin about.

OUT

[ChristineP]

I've been a hardcore GN'R fan since I was 8 years old in 88 and have never complained about anything before! Even My World is great!!

But as much as I try I can't seem to respect Rhiad And The Bedouins and Silk Worms. I mean the main riff in Rhiad is cool but there is something missing. Silk Worm is simply odd. Is it cause I just have bad bootlegs? Or does everybody feel the same way?

Silk worm is plainly rude for a reaason I am sure...They only write about stuff that is real in their life, so someone is really pissed about someone!

[gnrvrrule]

Both of these songs suck as far as I'm concerned.  They sound way too techno industrial.  They need to get down to the classic rock roots with some modern stuff added in; much like VR.  I'm hoping and praying for a great album, but the The Blues and Madagascar are the only good songs I've heard out of the six.  Hopefully, there's a lot of good stuff he's holding back.

[jarmo]

Both of these songs suck as far as I'm concerned.? They sound way too techno industrial.? They need to get down to the classic rock roots with some modern stuff added in; much like VR.?

I hope they don't do what VR did, instead maybe something similar what U2 did with Achtung Baby.




/jarmo

[kujo722]

No offense to anyone but I am sick of hearing "I want to hear some good classic rock". If thats what anyone wants, then go pop in Appetite or some Led Zepplin or whatever fits your tastes. After waiting all this time, I dont want to hear Appetite 2 or UYI 3. I want to hear some progression, it can still be GnR/Axl but have some new twists, like Jarmo pointed out U2's Achtung Baby is a good reference. I liked Contraband but since I had the feeling that I've heard it all before, I havent listened to it in quite awhile. I'm hoping that Chinese Democracy isnt collecting dust on my shelf after just a month. I have faith that wont be the case.

Again this is just my opinion. If someone wants to hear something different, thats fine.

[tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr]

I agree with u Kujo. Although I do want it to be a recognizable GN'R sound, I dont want the same thing as Appetite and UYI's, if I did then I would go put in those cds. I want this album to be different and I am open to all types of music. From what I've heard this album will be awesome. With the exception of Silk Worms, all the songs kick ass. I think Riyadh And The Bedouins is a great song. One of my favorites. All these songs show great potential as studio tracks. Once we get this album, we will realize that these live bootlegs dont do justice to the songs. Just from those studio clips from the Boston promo I was blown away, and they were like 5 seconds of each song. This album is gonna be just like Axl said, different types of styles but with the GN'R sound. And from what I have heard that is true. This album will not dissapoint me in any way.


PS- What Velvet Revolver did was crap. I cant stand to listen to this record all ready. This is defiantely Slash's worst work since he left GN'R. And Scott Weiland is just annoying, espcecially on 'Spectacle.'

[Mr Cowbell ?]

PS- What Velvet Revolver did was crap. I cant stand to listen to this record all ready. This is defiantely Slash's worst work since he left GN'R. And Scott Weiland is just annoying, espcecially on 'Spectacle.'

From the bootleg I just downloaded of R&B,maybe LV i think? Its hard to really tell it could go either way being great or not being good.

Crap? I think Slash's work in VR isnt the question on the table. I think Slash does great on CB, I think the lack of an Izzy song and SLash writing all the lyrics himself is the weak point of CB

[F*ck Fear]

If Rhiad And The Bedouins had more lyrics it would be a real good song.....I like when Guns played it in Detroit 2002,that version is far better than Vegas.
Silkworms needs some work,and a studio version could possibly save it.....But I don't think it will be on Chinese Democracy as it is more advanced for fans of the original Guns sound,and Axl said three albums with each one will get more advanced.

[noonespecial]

...depends on what "turns your buttons"...for me those songs are god awful...but other people seem to get something out of it, so if the album ever shows up and those songs are on it all one has to do is hit the fastforward arrow...not a big deal

[gnrvrrule]

I agree that I don't want this to be Use Your Illusion 3.  I want stuff on this album I've never heard before.  But that does not include techno industrial, rap, or overproduced crap.  The "classic" sound I was referring to was the Gn'r sound, which to me is very unique but still has a great classic sound to it.  Hopefully, this album will have a lot of great stuff, sounding both classic and new at the same time (if that's possible).

[HoldenCaulfield]

They're not weak at all, just different. 'Riyadh' has a very "classic rock" sound, IMO, with the guitar and Axl's wail's. I just think it needs clearer lyrics and a slightly more stable solo. I also really like 'Silkworms'. The guitars kick ass, and Brain really tears the drums up. Obviously it's not a lyrical monstrosity, but it's honest and expresses the band's sentiments towards all the shit in the press. I love both songs, and they could really be a lot better with a studio version...

[ppbebe]

A hem, weirdly The Blues doesn?t do much for me.
Riyadh n Bedouin is my fav so far although it sounds incomplete like many say.
Possibly what we?ve heard is just the tip of iceberg.
Not having heard Detroit version yet, I like Dockland one.

I thought Silkworm lyrics were on about the song itself.

As for Led Zeppelin, their music were rather experimental and alternative at the time.
Try The Crunge(their interpretation of James Brown) or D?yer mak?er(their own reggae).

[Wheres Izzy]

Of all the new songs I have heard I think Rhiad and Silk Worms are by far the worst. I love chinese democracy, the blues, and Madagascar. (still looking for anyone with IRS) And hearing them got me excited about a new guns record even without the real core. But Rhiad and Silk worms I was just counting down the seconds until they were done.

[Krispy Kreme]

PS- What Velvet Revolver did was crap. I cant stand to listen to this record all ready. This is defiantely Slash's worst work since he left GN'R. And Scott Weiland is just annoying, espcecially on 'Spectacle.'

1. Listen to the album more than once
2. See them live
3. Open your mind
4. I could not disagree more. I disagree 1000000000000000% (you supply the commas)
5. Contraband is worse than 5 O'clock somewhere???
6. Wow.
6. Did 5 o'clock go platinum?

[F*ck Fear]

PS- What Velvet Revolver did was crap. I cant stand to listen to this record all ready. This is defiantely Slash's worst work since he left GN'R. And Scott Weiland is just annoying, espcecially on 'Spectacle.'

1. Listen to the album more than once
2. See them live
3. Open your mind
4. I could not disagree more. I disagree 1000000000000000% (you supply the commas)
5. Contraband is worse than 5 O'clock somewhere???
6. Wow.
6. Did 5 o'clock go platinum?

Did 5 o'clock somewhere have the hype and promotion Contraband did?

I do agree that Contraband is better than 5 o'clock though....It's better than any Snakepit shit.

[HoldenCaulfield]

btw you guys, the best version of 'Riyadh' is the Osaka audience/monitor mix. It kicks serious ass. As far as on video, the Pukkelpop is definitely the best version. The Detroit version was abysmal. Axl forgot the lyrics and repeated the first verse.

[Dave_Rose]

As I said before this topic I cant wait to hear the studio cuts of this song and I'd love to hear Rhiad in studio quality yeah like many of you have said it does feel like it missing something the solo kickass who plays the solo Bucket or Robin?

[jarmo]

For those of you who haven't heard it, here's the monitor mix version. (Link removed)

For a limited time.


I got this from newgnr.com at some point in time. So thanks to them.



/jarmo

[PeterCoffin]

That's a better version... I can tell it's a good song (the riffs are good, drumming goes well with it, etc.), but I can't completely tell what is going on in even the better version.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

I agree, it is not fair to judge these 2 songs on not so stellar live recordings.

Rhiadh has a nice classic Led Zep ish sound with some modern effects at the beginning.

Silkworms is not a bad song. I like the fact the song structure is a little different.

[AdZ]

For those of you who haven't heard it, here's the monitor mix version. (Right click & "Save Target As")

For a limited time.


I got this from newgnr.com at some point in time. So thanks to them.



/jarmo

Thanksizzle.

[Dave_Rose]

Does Buckethead do the solo in Rhiad?

[volcano62]

I'm sure when the tracks are done they will be totaly different on the finished album.

By the way Dave, I pretty sure Buckethead plays all the hard solo's.

[estranged.1098]

By the way Dave, I pretty sure Buckethead plays all the hard solo's.

What exactly do you mean by "hard"? Are you a guitarist, and if so, do you think it's easier to play the solo from Madagascar or The Blues?

[Johnnyblood]

I was at the the very first Vegas show and even though Rhiad was a song I never heard before, I thought it was a stand-out.?

I was there too and had the same reaction. Right after the show I spent the next 20 or so hours driving back to Colorado. As I thought about the show and the new songs (which I only heard that one time, unlike listening to an mp3 of the song ten times in a half hour) Rhiad was the only one I could really remember, even though I didn't know the title. Mostly I was able to remember the vocal parts, but I also had the Zeppelin-ish reaction that others have mentioned here.

It definitely needs some tinkering, but I feel it's the most promising new track in terms of suggesting a 'new sound' that isn't all about techno production. It's more about the way Axl sings, the rhythms used, and the general tone. And it's not too wordy, which is sometimes a problem Axl has in my opinion.

[volcano62]

By the way Dave, I pretty sure Buckethead plays all the hard solo's.

What exactly do you mean by "hard"? Are you a guitarist, and if so, do you think it's easier to play the solo from Madagascar or The Blues?

I would have to say Madagascar. It's pretty crazy at the end.

[Scabbie]

Thanks jarmo for the download, first time I've heard this song.

I like it! Its a little diffrent, but there's nothing wrong with that!

[GnFnR87]

thanx jarmo, i agree, its different but has a nice riff, the studio version is probably kickass

[FragileVision]

Silkworms is pretty bad... I'm hoping that Axl just drops this song completely. It has that awesome electronica interlude in the middle, but aside from that, it's just an unappealing song.

Rhiad, on the other hand, has huge potential in the studio - That techno/rock rave up at the beginning, Axl's frantic vocals, and that solo at the end, just "whoa." I hope that Axl tinkers with it a bit, because this song would be a killer way to kickstart the album if he can just work on making the song sound more 'complete.'

[GnFnR87]

I agree Rhiad would be a killer opener with some work, where can i hear Silkworms, or do i want to hear it? lol

[HoldenCaulfield]

btw, 'Riyadh's solo is split: the first half is Robin, then the shredding part is Bucket...

[ClintroN]

Rhiad is unfuckinreal, the words are amazing. Shows he's not gonna sing about the same shit like past albums, Axl's actually got some fuckin' cool shit to sing about, Chinese Democracy words i cant get enough of!!

That download was terrible to , it was cool but i scored one off Kazza from Vegas 01' and its pretty cool!!
Its just funny when Axl starts singing....... :rofl:on that download......anyway

[mexicrow]

i heard them play Rhiad live in Detroit it was good, but Silkworms is just horrible, I've been a GNR fan since 87 and I think It's thier worse song,

[grog mug]

When your in the front row in a small venue like Hard Rock Hotel, Silk Worms completely rocks out live.  Everyone is in to it, and the song is great....you can tell the band loves playing it.

[Voodoochild]

Really love Rhiad. It's one of my favourites. Can't think why and how some people listen to this song and not like it. 

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Riyadh
(this is the? best i could do)

Oh-Oh
Ohhhh
Oh, Oh-Oh
Ohhhh
Oh-Oh
Ohhhh
Oh, Oh-Oh

Riyadh and the Bedouins
Had a plan and thought they'd win
But I don?t give a fuck bout them
Cause I am crazy

All my salvation
And all my frustrations
Caught in the lies **
and if you had hope as welll**
Somewhere in time
Where only I can tell

Ohhhh

Ohhhh
Oh-Oh


Riyadh and the Bedouins
So that?s the world that you gave me.
I ain?t had enough of you
Who can blame me

Half the time you never win
Nomads or barbarians
I won?t spill (spend) my will to live, you ag-gra-vate me



My salvation
And all my frustration
Caught in the lie ***
No one had hope as well. ***
Somewhere in time
Where only I can tell

My salvation
My frustrations
Caught in the lie **
if your at home as well **
Somewhere in time
There only I can tell



All my salvation
And all, my frustrations
Caught in the lies? **
If you had hope as well **
Somewhere in time
There only I can tell

**These are the two lines I really have no clue on ..any help or ideas

is it caught in the lies
starting to lie?

then the line after that, i really have no clue
axl mumbles it way too much

[ClintroN]

i beleive it's
Half the time there Bedouins
Nomads or barbarians...

[ccorn69]

I like Rhiad and Cant wait for a studio version, but i havent herd silkworms  or maybe I have and dont remember, hmm
peace

[Voodoochild]

I really don't understand how someone never wanted to know all the new songs for this so long waited project. I was so curious in that early 2001 to listen to the new songs in Las Vegas bootleg that I could see the Rio show live and already knew the new songs...

[Butch Français]

I think Silkworms is weak, not worthy being a GN'R song.
Rhiad on the other hand may sound weak live, but I think it will be good once we hear the studio recording!
Rhiad also has the craziest giutar solo of all the new songs, way to rip Buckie!