Which Nightrain do you prefer? Slash/Buckethead/Bumblefoot?

[Jim Bob]

Buckethead's rio is my all time fav 

Bumble's is impressive to.

Slash's is dull and unexciting.

[SylvesterStallone]

Buckethead's rio is my all time fav 

Bumble's is impressive to.

Slash's is dull and unexciting.

lol Jim bob you're so predictable. To his credit, he's playing it completely stripped down without pittman's effects, dizzy's keyboards and without two guitars layering his riffs..

[Jim Bob]

Sly I think these aer the links you meant to use

Nightrain Rio - Buckethead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHcLJ2A1QHM...20night%20train

Nightrain Ritz AFD ERA - SLASH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO7emHNVkQ8...20night%20train

RIO LISBON -BUMBLEFOOT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csuDiJWJLvQ...nightrain%20rio

[SylvesterStallone]

Yep...

That Buckethead nightrain from rio rocks so hard...

I hope Bumble goes for more melody and less technical showmanship next time he plays nightrain, I'd love to hear what he can do melodically with nightrain....

[killingvector]

1. Buckethead by a mile
2. Slash
3. Thal (was shown the way it could be by Big B)

[whiteshark]

I'm going to that just because SylvesterStallone has asked me in a very polite way to do it!
First I want you to know that my coments are going to be as objetive as i can, so i don't going to say what's the better to me.

1) Slash: his first solo is very good, he's demostrating here his mastery playing original pentatonic patterns. He knows a lot of left hand positions to play the minor pentatonic scale.
The outro solo: once again, he's a master of Hard Rock blues playing. He is the lord of the pentatonic world!
Very good phrasing in two important part of the solo (Slash has better left hand technique that right hand technique).
Very intelligent use of hard picking in the last bars of the solo (like Angus Young). This aspect is very overlooked in rock guitar, so thanks, Slash!

2) Buckethead: the first solo (the one he plays after the one Izzy used to play) is played note per note. He even plays the last five notes before the slide part! I think he used the tabbook to learn it or he put a lot of interest to play good this solo (remember, this solo is not an improvisation, so it's need to be played as close to the oreiginal as possible). He's demostrating here that he's very profesional.
The outro solo is an excelent example of how to improvise lead guitar in a personal way. This solo has born to be improvisated but not in a totally free way (Slash and Buckethead allways improvisated this outro solo but they allways kept intact the principals licks). He plays here melodic patterns that you can find in all his discography (specially in Colma). He's phrasing here is SUPERB, he changes his left hand position in a very fluid way. This SOLO is AWESOME! You can tell the Randy Rhoads influence here! He knowledge of scale position is brilliant! It's evident he has studied hard the fretboard!

3) Ron Thal: He's a dissapointment to me. This guy has lot of technique but his solos are boring.
The first solo: he still doesn't know how to play this one. He improvised a lot and he is lost.
The outro solo: a lot of notes played up and down the fretboard with no melodic sense. He plays scales like when a person is practicing at home. He plays cliche all the time.
I think he's going to improve because Ron Thal is a very talented guy, he's got tons of guitar knowledge.

[Jimmy?]

I'm going to that just because SylvesterStallone has asked me in a very polite way to do it!
First I want you to know that my coments are going to be as objetive as i can, so i don't going to say what's the better to me.

1) Slash: his first solo is very good, he's demostrating here his mastery playing original pentatonic patterns. He knows a lot of left hand positions to play the minor pentatonic scale.
The outro solo: once again, he's a master of Hard Rock blues playing. He is the lord of the pentatonic world!
Very good phrasing in two important part of the solo (Slash has better left hand technique that right hand technique).
Very intelligent use of hard picking in the last bars of the solo (like Angus Young). This aspect is very overlooked in rock guitar, so thanks, Slash!

2) Buckethead: the first solo (the one he plays after the one Izzy used to play) is played note per note. He even plays the last five notes before the slide part! I think he used the tabbook to learn it or he put a lot of interest to play good this solo (remember, this solo is not an improvisation, so it's need to be played as close to the oreiginal as possible). He's demostrating here that he's very profesional.
The outro solo is an excelent example of how to improvise lead guitar in a personal way. This solo has born to be improvisated but not in a totally free way (Slash and Buckethead allways improvisated this outro solo but they allways kept intact the principals licks). He plays here melodic patterns that you can find in all his discography (specially in Colma). He's phrasing here is SUPERB, he changes his left hand position in a very fluid way. This SOLO is AWESOME! You can tell the Randy Rhoads influence here! He knowledge of scale position is brilliant! It's evident he has studied hard the fretboard!

3) Ron Thal: He's a dissapointment to me. This guy has lot of technique but his solos are boring.
The first solo: he still doesn't know how to play this one. He improvised a lot and he is lost.
The outro solo: a lot of notes played up and down the fretboard with no melodic sense. He plays scales like when a person is practicing at home. He plays cliche all the time.
I think he's going to improve because Ron Thal is a very talented guy, he's got tons of guitar knowledge.

fuck man, you know too much just joking? as i'm a guitarist i understand what your talking about, not sure about the others though? would love to hear randy rhoads playing nightrain by the way. shame we never will?

[killingvector]

I'm going to that just because SylvesterStallone has asked me in a very polite way to do it!
First I want you to know that my coments are going to be as objetive as i can, so i don't going to say what's the better to me.

1) Slash: his first solo is very good, he's demostrating here his mastery playing original pentatonic patterns. He knows a lot of left hand positions to play the minor pentatonic scale.
The outro solo: once again, he's a master of Hard Rock blues playing. He is the lord of the pentatonic world!
Very good phrasing in two important part of the solo (Slash has better left hand technique that right hand technique).
Very intelligent use of hard picking in the last bars of the solo (like Angus Young). This aspect is very overlooked in rock guitar, so thanks, Slash!

2) Buckethead: the first solo (the one he plays after the one Izzy used to play) is played note per note. He even plays the last five notes before the slide part! I think he used the tabbook to learn it or he put a lot of interest to play good this solo (remember, this solo is not an improvisation, so it's need to be played as close to the oreiginal as possible). He's demostrating here that he's very profesional.
The outro solo is an excelent example of how to improvise lead guitar in a personal way. This solo has born to be improvisated but not in a totally free way (Slash and Buckethead allways improvisated this outro solo but they allways kept intact the principals licks). He plays here melodic patterns that you can find in all his discography (specially in Colma). He's phrasing here is SUPERB, he changes his left hand position in a very fluid way. This SOLO is AWESOME! You can tell the Randy Rhoads influence here! He knowledge of scale position is brilliant! It's evident he has studied hard the fretboard!

3) Ron Thal: He's a dissapointment to me. This guy has lot of technique but his solos are boring.
The first solo: he still doesn't know how to play this one. He improvised a lot and he is lost.
The outro solo: a lot of notes played up and down the fretboard with no melodic sense. He plays scales like when a person is practicing at home. He plays cliche all the time.
I think he's going to improve because Ron Thal is a very talented guy, he's got tons of guitar knowledge.

great critique btw. Bucket would be proud that you noticed so much about him.

[SylvesterStallone]

I'm going to that just because SylvesterStallone has asked me in a very polite way to do it!
First I want you to know that my coments are going to be as objetive as i can, so i don't going to say what's the better to me.

1) Slash: his first solo is very good, he's demostrating here his mastery playing original pentatonic patterns. He knows a lot of left hand positions to play the minor pentatonic scale.
The outro solo: once again, he's a master of Hard Rock blues playing. He is the lord of the pentatonic world!
Very good phrasing in two important part of the solo (Slash has better left hand technique that right hand technique).
Very intelligent use of hard picking in the last bars of the solo (like Angus Young). This aspect is very overlooked in rock guitar, so thanks, Slash!

2) Buckethead: the first solo (the one he plays after the one Izzy used to play) is played note per note. He even plays the last five notes before the slide part! I think he used the tabbook to learn it or he put a lot of interest to play good this solo (remember, this solo is not an improvisation, so it's need to be played as close to the oreiginal as possible). He's demostrating here that he's very profesional.
The outro solo is an excelent example of how to improvise lead guitar in a personal way. This solo has born to be improvisated but not in a totally free way (Slash and Buckethead allways improvisated this outro solo but they allways kept intact the principals licks). He plays here melodic patterns that you can find in all his discography (specially in Colma). He's phrasing here is SUPERB, he changes his left hand position in a very fluid way. This SOLO is AWESOME! You can tell the Randy Rhoads influence here! He knowledge of scale position is brilliant! It's evident he has studied hard the fretboard!

3) Ron Thal: He's a dissapointment to me. This guy has lot of technique but his solos are boring.
The first solo: he still doesn't know how to play this one. He improvised a lot and he is lost.
The outro solo: a lot of notes played up and down the fretboard with no melodic sense. He plays scales like when a person is practicing at home. He plays cliche all the time.
I think he's going to improve because Ron Thal is a very talented guy, he's got tons of guitar knowledge.

Thanks again for the analysis....I appreciate it!

[busngabb]

1 - Buckethead . He took the song from Slash's boring library and breathed life into it. Like colouring in a comic book. 10/10
2 - Ron Thal. Learned it in just a few rehearsals and with probably no more than an hour or two practice 8/10
3 - Slash. He wrote some great stuff for GNR, but not stuff that is relevant now. His VR work is an embarassment 6/10

That says it all really. The people hanging on desperately to the old band are losing. Buckethead pi$$es all over Slash in any song as his talent makes Slash look like the drunken club guitarist he really is.

Thal should be given till the end of the tour to catch up, but I'm betting he won't be too far behind Bucket.

The thing I really don't get is how you all say Slash is so great, yet offer no reason why his solo band was a pile of rancid offal and his current 'supergroup' is also a big bag of poo.

The new VR album will be better. Lets face it, it can't be any worse.

[SylvesterStallone]

1 - Buckethead . He took the song from Slash's boring library and breathed life into it. Like colouring in a comic book. 10/10
2 - Ron Thal. Learned it in just a few rehearsals and with probably no more than an hour or two practice 8/10
3 - Slash. He wrote some great stuff for GNR, but not stuff that is relevant now. His VR work is an embarassment 6/10

That says it all really. The people hanging on desperately to the old band are losing. Buckethead pi$$es all over Slash in any song as his talent makes Slash look like the drunken club guitarist he really is.

Thal should be given till the end of the tour to catch up, but I'm betting he won't be too far behind Bucket.

The thing I really don't get is how you all say Slash is so great, yet offer no reason why his solo band was a pile of rancid offal and his current 'supergroup' is also a big bag of poo.

The new VR album will be better. Lets face it, it can't be any worse.

Um....He created all these solos and riffs you love so much. It's hard work creating shit. Especially having 2 of your riffs (SCOM and Paradise City) end up in the top 20 riffs of all time. Can any of these cats do that? No. That was Slash's talent.

Buckethead is a guitar master, ofcourse he'll play the fuck out of slash's work, he's a very talented guy. However you'd be hard pressed to find a guy who can create the beautiful riffs and solos of slash. That's a Slash speciality and why people love him so much.

Nice try to bash Slash though....

[Naupis]

Solos aside, anyone claiming Axl's voice is anywhere near as strong as it was is smoking something after watching all 3. I was at the Hammerstein and it was a major improvement after the 02 show I saw, but man, he was belting out nightrain in that 1992 video.


As for the favorite solo, Bucket played the outro the best, but Slash wrote it.......so who is really playing it better. If someone tweaked and redid the Mona Lisa a bit to make it more attractive, would it make them a better or more brilliant artist than Da Vince?

[Mattattack]

Buckets Pittsburgh 2002 version is hands down the best.

[TempleOfRoses]

I think alot of people have hit on a good point - What could Slash do with already amazing guitar work with the rest of the current synthesizers and 2 other guitarists and I think thats true.  I'm going with Slash becuase  well, he wrote the damn song!

[whiteshark]

Thanks again Stallone!
Thanks Jimmy!
Thanks Killingvector!

Check you PM Stallone!

[ShotgunBlues1978]

As for the favorite solo, Bucket played the outro the best, but Slash wrote it.......so who is really playing it better. If someone tweaked and redid the Mona Lisa a bit to make it more attractive, would it make them a better or more brilliant artist than Da Vince?

Buckethead's outro is so far removed from the part Slash wrote it's almost a moot point.  Slash played songs written by other people better than the original and nobody was afraid to say it, it shouldn't be any different in this case.  Buckethead's Nightrain outro blows the doors off the ones that Slash and Ron Thal did, there's not really any shame in that because on technical ability and talent alone Buckethead is on another level, even though Slash is one of the best when it comes to writing great and memorable riffs and solos, or at least he was when old GnR was together

[busngabb]

Don't forget that we've not heard the majority of Buckethead's work on the album yet. Or Robin's.

[mrlee]

i dont think the ritz 88 is a good example of slash live...i mean c'mon thats one of the most stoned/drunk ive seen him.

get something from the 90s, awesome nightrains were done as openers then.

[Minneapolisnewsman]

http://music.aol.com/network_live/concert_videos/guns_n_roses/ondemand

I like the one on this site:

http://music.aol.com/network_live/concert_videos/guns_n_roses/ondemand

[Butch Français]

Slash.
when it comes to old songs...always Slash, no doubt.