Will anyone else be disappointed if there is no new guitarist at the New Shows?

[Naupis]

This isn't supposed to be a "will Slash be there" type of thread, just a general question of whether you wil be bummed if it is only Finck and Fortus.

For the life of me I can't figure out how they could play without a 3rd guy, as any new music had three guitarists on it when it was written we are lead to believe. Not to mention that neither Finck nor Fortus can handle Slash or Buckethead's solos in a way that does them justice. Not to say they aren't solid players, but neither fall into that category of "special" the way Slash or Bucket.

I just fear that a concert with just the 2 of them will be a little underwhelming, as I can't imagine how Robin would play the nightrain solo, or the final part of PC, or even Buckethead's TWAT or IRS solos (assuming they play some new stuff).

Let's all keep our fingers crossed we don't have to worry about this come next weekend.

[GeorgeSteele]

I won't care either way.? If it's "only" Finck and Fortus, then that means that Axl has confidence that they'll get the job done.? That's good enough for me.

[Kujo]

I wont mind at all. If anything it will mean the songs we heard demos of will most likely have been reworked and sound fresh again when CD is finally released

[dave-gnfnr2k]

This isn't supposed to be a "will Slash be there" type of thread, just a general question of whether you wil be bummed if it is only Finck and Fortus.

For the life of me I can't figure out how they could play without a 3rd guy, as any new music had three guitarists on it when it was written we are lead to believe. Not to mention that neither Finck nor Fortus can handle Slash or Buckethead's solos in a way that does them justice. Not to say they aren't solid players, but neither fall into that category of "special" the way Slash or Bucket.

I just fear that a concert with just the 2 of them will be a little underwhelming, as I can't imagine how Robin would play the nightrain solo, or the final part of PC, or even Buckethead's TWAT or IRS solos (assuming they play some new stuff).

Let's all keep our fingers crossed we don't have to worry about this come next weekend.

You know Robin can shred right? Listen to his ghost of mars songs that he is on. Also, most of TWAT is played by Robin and not BH, BH only has that really fast solo but I think Robin could handle it just fine. As for the night train solo, fortus would probably do that. And the BH IRS solo IMO was not that great the robin solo is much better.

[Jim Bob]

I personally would like to see Robin and Richard do it themselves    I'm sure whatever Captian A has in store for us will be good stuff 

[Hujiko]

I'm with that people who thinks two guitars are ok... and three are indeed too much.

actually, I was surprised when I saw three guitarists in the Rock in Rio III video (first time I saw the new line-up )

[GnR-NOW]

If they have a 3rd player, Id want him to  be a main component of the last GNR, not a touring player, not a special guest player either.  Either a full time member or nothing, if not I think Finck and Fortus can do fine.  Does any else think its weird that the 2 current GNR players have the same initials R . F.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

It wont bother me in the least. I think 3 guitar players is kinda overkill anyway when you have Finck & Fortus. Dizzy can play if they need him to.

[Back Off Bitch]

I won't care... Finck & Fortus are cool...

[busngabb]

I can't comment on that until I hear how they did.

I have absolutely no doubt that they could handle the old GNR stuff with their eyes closed. Finck may be a tad sloppy in some of the more boring solos, but he tears a new one out of some of them too.

As for the new material, it isn't physically possible to play the songs as they sound in the demos with only 2 guitar players. As far as we know Buckethead's work is still on the album, so quite how they are going to play those songs live is beyond me. If they have written him out altogether then there is a danger they will sound flat.

We'll have to wait and see. I do fear that Axl hasn't thought about it. People say that he won't make the same mistakes twice, but he would. He is the most lazy and unprofessional person in music. I bet to this day Axl hasn't yet rehearsed and probably hasn't done much singing in years. He'll stroll up on the morning of the gig and try to do it in a one off rehearsal, then promptly miss the soundcheck. He'll do fine but I would expect Axl at the NYC shows to be as rusty as his ginger pubes, with the poor sound techs having a nightmare night.

[CAFC Nick]

I won't be disappointed if it is "just" Finck and Fortus, as GeorgeSteele said... If Axl has the confidence in them then they can pull it off.

It wouldn't go amiss if Zakk Wylde, Slash or Buckethead were there though 

[Kujo]

Yeah, since Zakk doesnt have enough to do already with Ozzy, Black Label Soceity, and rumored to replace Dimebag in Rebel Meets Rebel. The new hardest working man in show business

[bazgnr]

If I fly to NYC on the 12th and Axl shows up and plays a show with GnR - regardless of technically "who" is in GnR, I won't be disappointed in the least.  I'm just thrilled to be a part of it and to say that I was there.  Buckethead, Fortus, Fink...it's all good.

[BluesGNR]

If I fly to NYC on the 12th and Axl shows up and plays a show with GnR - regardless of technically "who" is in GnR, I won't be disappointed in the least.? I'm just thrilled to be a part of it and to say that I was there.? Buckethead, Fortus, Fink...it's all good.

That sounds right to me.  I couldn't really care less as to who is playing.  Sure, it'd be nice to have one of the original badboys back, or it'd be cool to see a replacement, but I'll take it however I can get it.  I'm like a fat kid with cake when it comes to GNR - there is no wrong way to serve it.  Just put it in front of me and I'm happy.

[bazgnr]

If I fly to NYC on the 12th and Axl shows up and plays a show with GnR - regardless of technically "who" is in GnR, I won't be disappointed in the least.? I'm just thrilled to be a part of it and to say that I was there.? Buckethead, Fortus, Fink...it's all good.

That sounds right to me.? I couldn't really care less as to who is playing.? Sure, it'd be nice to have one of the original badboys back, or it'd be cool to see a replacement, but I'll take it however I can get it.? I'm like a fat kid with cake when it comes to GNR - there is no wrong way to serve it.? Just put it in front of me and I'm happy.

Well said.  There might be "good" and "bad" variations of GnR, but still...it's GnR.  No matter how bad it might be, it's still pretty damn good.

[Kujo]

No matter how bad it might be, it's still pretty damn good.

Kind of like sex & pizza

[uzisuicide2002]

you know if there is 2 players thats fine. GN'R have always had 2. So to me its fine. 14th BABY!!!!!!!

[Booker Floyd]

Nope.  This lineup is nice for the most part, but its 95% about Axl for me.

[Super-Ecwfan1]

                    I think Axl will do fine with 2 guitarists if possible. I have seen him play guitar now..so he could possibly play .

[SLCPUNK]

I don't care. I'd rather see a set group of guys who stay, not a revolving door.

[Steel_Angel]

There will be a third guitarist, thats why there are auditions 

[D]

Absolutely not.

Axl could be up their karaoking and Im suremost of the crowd wouldnt give a shit.

[Poof!]

This isn't supposed to be a "will Slash be there" type of thread, just a general question of whether you wil be bummed if it is only Finck and Fortus.

For the life of me I can't figure out how they could play without a 3rd guy, as any new music had three guitarists on it when it was written we are lead to believe. Not to mention that neither Finck nor Fortus can handle Slash or Buckethead's solos in a way that does them justice. Not to say they aren't solid players, but neither fall into that category of "special" the way Slash or Bucket.

I just fear that a concert with just the 2 of them will be a little underwhelming, as I can't imagine how Robin would play the nightrain solo, or the final part of PC, or even Buckethead's TWAT or IRS solos (assuming they play some new stuff).

Let's all keep our fingers crossed we don't have to worry about this come next weekend.

I disagree. Finck and Fortus are quite capable of handling any solo played by Slash, and I wouldn't even want to hear Buckethead's stuff being repeated by anyone, his material is better left off the songs as I felt it was uninspired. But that's for another topic.

I also think that Fortus and Finck are more than enough as far as guitarists go. Any song/part can be rearranged to fit two guitarists instead of three (I never really understood why they needed three guitarists). But I wouldn't realy feel anything either way, to be honest. Whatever decision Axl has made regarding that issue means we're one less decision closer to CD.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

I can't comment on that until I hear how they did.

I have absolutely no doubt that they could handle the old GNR stuff with their eyes closed. Finck may be a tad sloppy in some of the more boring solos, but he tears a new one out of some of them too.

As for the new material, it isn't physically possible to play the songs as they sound in the demos with only 2 guitar players. As far as we know Buckethead's work is still on the album, so quite how they are going to play those songs live is beyond me. If they have written him out altogether then there is a danger they will sound flat.

We'll have to wait and see. I do fear that Axl hasn't thought about it. People say that he won't make the same mistakes twice, but he would. He is the most lazy and unprofessional person in music. I bet to this day Axl hasn't yet rehearsed and probably hasn't done much singing in years. He'll stroll up on the morning of the gig and try to do it in a one off rehearsal, then promptly miss the soundcheck. He'll do fine but I would expect Axl at the NYC shows to be as rusty as his ginger pubes, with the poor sound techs having a nightmare night.

Lazy and unprofessonal? What are you talking about. How is Axl lazy or umprofessional? Axl is one of the most hardest working people in music, if he was lazy he would just throw an album together and put it out there every year to make money but axl works his ass off making the best possible album that he can. As for unprofessional? Again how is he? Because BH quit on him? Just listen to what people say about BH when he was in gnr and what they had to do to get him to record? They had to talk to his hand puppet and they had to built him a chicken coop in the studio.

Axl rarely rehearses with the band so he can save his voice for the shows, plus he is been singing in the studio for the tracks so dont worry about it.

[Z]

They had to talk to his hand puppet

dave, you're kidding...................right??!??

As far as this topic goes..........as long as Axl, Robin, Tommy, Richard, Brain & Dizzy show up...........I'm fine.

And Chris too!!!

[Gaerder]

naa.. Rob' n' Rich' can do it...
(btw,sometime axl's voice sound like a guitar )

As far as this topic goes..........as long as Axl, Robin, Tommy, Richard, Brain & Dizzy show up...........I'm fine.

And Chris too!!!

woohoo go Chris! 

[nesquick]

Richard and Robin will shut everybody's up next week. Their talent and chemistry will speak for themself.

[Naupis]

Richard and Robin will shut everybody's up next week. Their talent and chemistry will speak for themself.

Man, I must have been watching a different concert than everyone else when I saw them in Cleveland and Columbus in 02, because all I remember was being blown away by Buckethead's skill and precision, but shaking my head at how sloppily Robin plays live. To think that taking the bands best guitar player is somehow going to make the band better leaves me scratching my head a little, but I guess if everyone is happy with what's left that is all that matters.

[TOPGUNner]

If there's no 3rd guitarist, there's no 3rd guitarist, oh well.

I think it'll be MORE INTERESTING however, if there is a 3rd guitarist and it's just some guy. Like what if it's not Lenny Kravitz, Brian May, Izzy, Slash, Gilby, all the rumors. What if it's just Joe Schmoe?

[jimmythegent]

 Axl is one of the most hardest working people in music,

please quantify this absurd statement


no albums, canceled tours, abandoning gigs, erratic recording schedules, no rehearsals, no soundchecks, no interviews, no videos, no songs?

Hardworking??

[F*ck Fear]

I can't see Finck playing that ripping solo in Better I know that much. That was the reason Bucket was there in the first place.

[D]

Buckethead leaving reminds me of when LA traded Shaquille O Neal.

Saying GNR will be better without Bucket is like saying LA were better after Shaq got traded.

I've said this 5 billion times.

U cannot replace one of the greatest most legendary guitarist in musical history *Slash* with Robin Finck and NSync Fortus.

Bucket's talent gave him a great chance but these other two cant fill Slash's shoes.


So losing bucket to me is a huge blow to the band.

If I am proven wrong ill admit to it.

[boston]

Buckethead leaving reminds me of when LA traded Shaquille O Neal.

Saying GNR will be better without Bucket is like saying LA were better after Shaq got traded.

I've said this 5 billion times.

U cannot replace one of the greatest most legendary guitarist in musical history *Slash* with Robin Finck and NSync Fortus.

Bucket's talent gave him a great chance but these other two cant fill Slash's shoes.


So losing bucket to me is a huge blow to the band.

If I am proven wrong ill admit to it.

your cool...not


as far as im concerned, nsync probably pays to have the best session guitarist available. are you saying if you were and up and coming guitarist, you wouldn't have done some sessions with them?

and as far as bucket goes, sure he's good and all, but i expected so much more. his lead on "better" sounds like an outdated 80's shredfest. the finck solo is where it's at

[Takemedown]

I can't say i'll be dissapointed, since I don't have any expectations. But it sure would be nice to see a couple of the real gunners up there with Axl! 

[leesixxrose]

Just leave it as Fink and Fortus.. Thats what i want...

[Mandy.]

hell no!
I'm not even expecting a new guitarist. If there's a new one, I'll be surprised, but if there isn't, it'll be indifferent for me.

[Mr.Intensity]

Well, there is obviously someone new...we'll all know in 7 days. 

[D]

Buckethead leaving reminds me of when LA traded Shaquille O Neal.

Saying GNR will be better without Bucket is like saying LA were better after Shaq got traded.

I've said this 5 billion times.

U cannot replace one of the greatest most legendary guitarist in musical history *Slash* with Robin Finck and NSync Fortus.

Bucket's talent gave him a great chance but these other two cant fill Slash's shoes.


So losing bucket to me is a huge blow to the band.

If I am proven wrong ill admit to it.

your cool...not


as far as im concerned, nsync probably pays to have the best session guitarist available. are you saying if you were and up and coming guitarist, you wouldn't have done some sessions with them?

and as far as bucket goes, sure he's good and all, but i expected so much more. his lead on "better" sounds like an outdated 80's shredfest. the finck solo is where it's at

Dude I live on 25 dollars a week, I am an up and coming musician and I WOULDNT play for fuckin Nsync for all the money in the world.

So dont start rationalizing this.

[bigcash2002]

While I am certainly not an authority on guitar skills, why does everyone think Fortus can't handle slashes solos?

 I am a huge fan of slash, as he was the main reason I picked up a guitar in the first place. ?However, Fortus is very good and can play anything live that one might want. ?He handled several solos in 2002 and there is no reason to think if bucket is out, that Fortus couldn't pick up plenty more solos and execute them very well. ?

I must say, at times, like many people here, ?I thought Robin played some lazy appetite solos. ?But, on the leaks, his work has made me optimistic about his work on CD.

[russtcb]

Richard and Robin will shut everybody's up next week. Their talent and chemistry will speak for themself.

Goddamn right. I cannot wait! I hope it IS just the two of them so they show EVERYONE else whos been in the band uP!

[Krispy Kreme]

I keep thinking how Lynyrd Skynyrd had 3 lead guitars and it was so powerful live. I think they were the first  band to do that, and it made them special. I would  like to see GNR do it also because they need 3 to fill the shoes of 1 Slash.

[russtcb]

I keep thinking how Lynyrd Skynyrd had 3 lead guitars and it was so powerful live. I think they were the first  band to do that, and it made them special. I would  like to see GNR do it also because they need 3 to fill the shoes of 1 Slash.

I disagree with needed 3 to fill Slash's shoes, but I guess it'd be cool overall to have 3. I just can't see them needing it though.

[Naupis]

Well,

Judging from what Axl said tonight about there being a third guitar player, it looks like I was ahead of the curve on this board in realizing that Finck/Fortus were not sufficient to go it alone. Although Axl wouldn't tell who it was, it is safe to say whoever it is is most likely the virtuoso type needed to pull off some of Guns strongest material, much like Buckethead was brought in to do.

[russtcb]

Well,

Judging from what Axl said tonight about there being a third guitar player, it looks like I was ahead of the curve on this board in realizing that Finck/Fortus were not sufficient to go it alone. Although Axl wouldn't tell who it was, it is safe to say whoever it is is most likely the virtuoso type needed to pull off some of Guns strongest material, much like Buckethead was brought in to do.

What did I miss? Where did Axl say something tonight about a third guiatarist?

[russtcb]

Well,

Judging from what Axl said tonight about there being a third guitar player, it looks like I was ahead of the curve on this board in realizing that Finck/Fortus were not sufficient to go it alone. Although Axl wouldn't tell who it was, it is safe to say whoever it is is most likely the virtuoso type needed to pull off some of Guns strongest material, much like Buckethead was brought in to do.

What did I miss? Where did Axl say something tonight about a third guiatarist?

Nevermind! I'm hip the whole Eddie Trunk thing now. I guess this thread isn't needed anymore!

[MR.BROWNSTONE]

I don't see what the big deal is about if a 3rd guitarist player is at the new shows or not. After hearing what Axl said, last night I think we know their would be one and I'm sure he will be at the NYC shows. I will only be disappointed if they don't show up and I don't see that happen. 

[michaelvincent]

I think we're looking at this 2 vs. 3 guitarist thing all wrong. It's not about filling Slash's shoes or who is capable and who isn't. It's about a vision and Axl doing what he feels will best accomplish that vision. If he feels he needs three guitarists then so be it. To me that's cool becuase there are all kinds of overdubs on every GnR album, and if you can have an extra guy there to fill it out then go for it.