Printing of CD booked? [rumor]

[jazjme]

from GnRSource.com
http://www.gnrsource.com/news/2007-03/16-tour.htm

"Chinese Democracy" to be printed?
March 16, 2007, last updated 02:05 GMT+1


Written by Jan for GnRsource.com.

A source I have reasons to trusts, who works at a cd production plant, told me he got a short glimpse of a manager's schedule at work the other day. On the schedule he saw "Guns 'n Roses" (sic) written. He only got a short glimpse of it, and he doesn't know the date, but he did say he believes it should happen quite shortly since his manager has it on his list.

He can't confirm that it was actually "Chinese Democracy" that was on the list. It may be something unofficial, or more likely a single. He did say that the number code on the list seemed to indicate that, but like I said, he only got a short glimpse.

I'm sceptical about posting this, but I do it regardless. I have no reason to distrust the information, but it may turn out to be false. But at the same time, the album is in mixing currently, and it makes sense that they've booked some sort of CD production, that can probably be pushed back a little.

If you want to post this on other boards, feel free to. Just NO bashing. The only thing bashing does is to shut up those who speaks (and I know for certain that happened in the past).

[Africa]

First of all, if this is true it may be major news.
Second, what is this about numbers?

[-Jack-]

Well, I guess it's bound to happen sometime. Especially if you really believe the band has finished recording and is almost done mixing.

I wouldn't be surprised.. not that I really believe this rumor... =/.

[Neemo]

thanks jazjme cant wait to see this unfold i hope its true

[meanmachine73]

I have alot of contacts in the Industry, esp the UK and Germany. Please feel free to IM me the company name and I will make some discreet enquiries.

** The major lables all use only 3 print groups to produce their work, I know the three group companies, PM me the name and I will instantly tell you if it is bullshit or not **

[Randy Jesus]

from GnRSource.com

http://www.gnrsource.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1191

A source I have reasons to trusts, who works at a cd production plant, told me he got a short glimpse of a manager's schedule at work the other day. On the schedule he saw "Guns 'n Roses" (sic) written. He only got a short glimpse of it, and he doesn't know the date, but he did say he believes it should happen quite shortly since his manager has it on his list.

He can't confirm that it was actually "Chinese Democracy" that was on the list. It may be something unofficial, or more likely a single. He did say that the number code on the list seemed to indicate that, but like I said, he only got a short glimpse.

I'm sceptical about posting this, but I do it regardless. I have no reason to distrust the information, but it may turn out to be false. But at the same time, the album is in mixing currently, and it makes sense that they've booked some sort of CD production, that can probably be pushed back a little.

If you want to post this on other boards, feel free to. Just NO bashing. The only thing bashing does is to shut up those who speaks (and I know for certain that happened in the past).

Its not like you are a one post wonder. We will take it at face value, something good but nothing to get too excited about.

[src]

First of all, if this is true it may be major news.
Second, what is this about numbers?

It may be major news. I would not have posted it if I didn't believe in it, because since they're in mixing, it's likely they've thought about the printing of CDs. I understand what he said about numbers as codes they use to define what is what. From what I know, something like that should be fairly standard procedure. Hope that helped, but take this for what it is...

[Schwarzgold]

But at the same time, the album is in mixing currently, and it makes sense that they've booked some sort of CD production, that can probably be pushed back a little.

Is that so? From what I read here (I myself have no clue of this) mastering would be the next step, even if mixing was done. And it sounds like mastering could take extreme long OR short time, since it is not just technical, but als a question of art and inspiration.

So would it really make sense to book a industry facility at this point? I have no idea.

[EFISH]

Mastering only takes a day. So on Guns N' Roses time, I would say 3 days tops. 

If what your friend saw was the single or the album on that list, then that is great news!

[polluxlm]

But at the same time, the album is in mixing currently, and it makes sense that they've booked some sort of CD production, that can probably be pushed back a little.

Is that so? From what I read here (I myself have no clue of this) mastering would be the next step, even if mixing was done. And it sounds like mastering could take extreme long OR short time, since it is not just technical, but als a question of art and inspiration.

So would it really make sense to book a industry facility at this point? I have no idea.

GN'R is the king of not making sense, but since we don't know the exact time line for the post production this could actually be an exception.

[src]

But at the same time, the album is in mixing currently, and it makes sense that they've booked some sort of CD production, that can probably be pushed back a little.

Is that so? From what I read here (I myself have no clue of this) mastering would be the next step, even if mixing was done. And it sounds like mastering could take extreme long OR short time, since it is not just technical, but als a question of art and inspiration.

So would it really make sense to book a industry facility at this point? I have no idea.

I'm sure there's someone who knows more about this, but from what I've seen and heard mastering doesn't really take long time. 1-4 days, I guess. It should be a fairly short process. Booking cd printing in a some weeks time COULD be it. But like I wrote, this could be something else too... a single or some dumb unofficial release.

From Wikipedia:
Mastering (Post-Production) is the art of optimizing sound frequencies in order to meet industry standards; and in addition, to transfer the recorded audio as a cohesive program to a data storage device that will be used in the production of copies (via methods such as pressing, duplication or replication).

[Neemo]

But at the same time, the album is in mixing currently, and it makes sense that they've booked some sort of CD production, that can probably be pushed back a little.

Is that so? From what I read here (I myself have no clue of this) mastering would be the next step, even if mixing was done. And it sounds like mastering could take extreme long OR short time, since it is not just technical, but als a question of art and inspiration.

So would it really make sense to book a industry facility at this point? I have no idea.

isnt mastering jsut making a master copy of the mixed tracks? to use for mass production? the way i understand is that mastering is the beginnign of production....of course i may sound totally stupid with this post Pilferk prolly knows (as others do as well i'm sure)

[Schwarzgold]

Okay, from what ALL of you are saying it seems that I confused mixing and mastering.    I just remembered one step CAN take long, dunno why I thought that it would be mastering. 

[jazjme]

just a clarification so there is no misunderstanding....

http://www.gnrsource.com/news/2007-03/16-tour.htm


"Chinese Democracy" to be printed?
March 16, 2007, last updated 02:05 GMT+1


Written by Jan for GnRsource.com.

A source I have reasons to trusts, who works at a cd production plant, told me he got a short glimpse of a manager's schedule at work the other day. On the schedule he saw "Guns 'n Roses" (sic) written. He only got a short glimpse of it, and he doesn't know the date, but he did say he believes it should happen quite shortly since his manager has it on his list.

He can't confirm that it was actually "Chinese Democracy" that was on the list. It may be something unofficial, or more likely a single. He did say that the number code on the list seemed to indicate that, but like I said, he only got a short glimpse.

I'm sceptical about posting this, but I do it regardless. I have no reason to distrust the information, but it may turn out to be false. But at the same time, the album is in mixing currently, and it makes sense that they've booked some sort of CD production, that can probably be pushed back a little.

If you want to post this on other boards, feel free to. Just NO bashing. The only thing bashing does is to shut up those who speaks (and I know for certain that happened in the past).

[Discuss]

[Bartlet]

But at the same time, the album is in mixing currently, and it makes sense that they've booked some sort of CD production, that can probably be pushed back a little.

Is that so? From what I read here (I myself have no clue of this) mastering would be the next step, even if mixing was done. And it sounds like mastering could take extreme long OR short time, since it is not just technical, but als a question of art and inspiration.

So would it really make sense to book a industry facility at this point? I have no idea.

isnt mastering jsut making a master copy of the mixed tracks? to use for mass production? the way i understand is that mastering is the beginnign of production....of course i may sound totally stupid with this post Pilferk prolly knows (as others do as well i'm sure)

Thats what i thought bout mastering too neemo. and that is indeed the bottom line. but aparently that can be a complex process.

[Neemo]

But at the same time, the album is in mixing currently, and it makes sense that they've booked some sort of CD production, that can probably be pushed back a little.

Is that so? From what I read here (I myself have no clue of this) mastering would be the next step, even if mixing was done. And it sounds like mastering could take extreme long OR short time, since it is not just technical, but als a question of art and inspiration.

So would it really make sense to book a industry facility at this point? I have no idea.

isnt mastering jsut making a master copy of the mixed tracks? to use for mass production? the way i understand is that mastering is the beginnign of production....of course i may sound totally stupid with this post Pilferk prolly knows (as others do as well i'm sure)

Thats what i thought bout mastering too neemo. and that is indeed the bottom line. but aparently that can be a complex process.

oh ok...it didnt seem to take too long on that Discovery Program "How its Made"

[Randy Jesus]

But at the same time, the album is in mixing currently, and it makes sense that they've booked some sort of CD production, that can probably be pushed back a little.

Is that so? From what I read here (I myself have no clue of this) mastering would be the next step, even if mixing was done. And it sounds like mastering could take extreme long OR short time, since it is not just technical, but als a question of art and inspiration.

So would it really make sense to book a industry facility at this point? I have no idea.

isnt mastering jsut making a master copy of the mixed tracks? to use for mass production? the way i understand is that mastering is the beginnign of production....of course i may sound totally stupid with this post Pilferk prolly knows (as others do as well i'm sure)

Thats what i thought bout mastering too neemo. and that is indeed the bottom line. but aparently that can be a complex process.

oh ok...it didnt seem to take too long on that Discovery Program "How its Made"

http://www.discmakers.com/soundlab/whatismastering/index.asp

[Neemo]

But at the same time, the album is in mixing currently, and it makes sense that they've booked some sort of CD production, that can probably be pushed back a little.

Is that so? From what I read here (I myself have no clue of this) mastering would be the next step, even if mixing was done. And it sounds like mastering could take extreme long OR short time, since it is not just technical, but als a question of art and inspiration.

So would it really make sense to book a industry facility at this point? I have no idea.

isnt mastering jsut making a master copy of the mixed tracks? to use for mass production? the way i understand is that mastering is the beginnign of production....of course i may sound totally stupid with this post Pilferk prolly knows (as others do as well i'm sure)

Thats what i thought bout mastering too neemo. and that is indeed the bottom line. but aparently that can be a complex process.

oh ok...it didnt seem to take too long on that Discovery Program "How its Made"

http://www.discmakers.com/soundlab/whatismastering/index.asp

thanks dude!

[creepingvines]

this is pretty damn exciting if true!  judging by that link's description of the mastering process, it sounds like a single could theoretically be released before mastering is completed for the entire album?

[Crowebar]

** The major lables all use only 3 print groups to produce their work, I know the three group companies, PM me the name and I will instantly tell you if it is bullshit or not **

Who (just out of curiousity) are the 3 print groups??? 

[daviebuckethead]

i would think that mastering should be done before turning the album over to the record company?

if thats the case, then the record company would put the cd casings, art work, and pressing cds in to action?

and if thats the case then the album is done, mastered and ready to roll as far as the record company are concerned?


i just dont understand how they can go ahead and start to print artwork without having turned the album over to the label, surely they would need money from the label to print the artwork in the fiorst place, which i dont see happening unless they have the finished album in their possesion?


so surely the album is finshed (MASTERING COMPLETED) if the artwork is getting printed....sorry if this sounds confusing!

[Danny]

The only thing I find illogical about this rumor is the fact they would get ready to print before a release date is revealed.

[daviebuckethead]

The only thing I find illogical about this rumor is the fact they would get ready to print before a release date is revealed.

thats kinda what im getting at

[Lucky]

I'd like to presume this to be BS until proven otherwise.
believing this might cause unnecessary frustration, and further rumors that we simply dont need anymore.

[HBK]

This Good Is WEB ??



Thankz for Info.

hbk *

[Danny]

I think we all are so desperate for this album at this point that we get excited at anything that seems remotely credible. ?

If we just go by what has been said in the last 6 months...the band would need approximately 8 weeks for promotion. ?If they don't even tell us a release date yet, it seems unlikely that they would be getting ready for printing. ?Also, it seems weird that would produce a bunch of the CD's way before they are getting ready to sip them...especially since they seem to be pretty anti-leak right now. ?Why would they want a bunch of CD's sitting around waiting to be leaked for weeks?



Just being devil's advocate here.

[src]

It's about printing cds, not covers. I don't know how standard procedures works, but in theory, they could be on an "upcoming printing jobs" list before mixing. If they take it through mixing and mastering, I'm assuming they've gotten a "go" from the company.

If it's true, a release date SHOULD be announced shortly. With the tentative March 6 date, I don't think they want to announce a release date that will have to be pushed back, and there's good reasons to think that Interscope is a little hostile. The only thing I find weird now is that there's not more rumors out there.

In reply to Danny: There's no dates at all mentioned here. The printing of these cds mentioned could happen in 2 weeks, in 5 weeks or in 10 or 20 weeks. My source did not see any date.

[Lucky]

A source I have reasons to trusts, who works at a cd production plant, told me he got a short glimpse of a manager's schedule at work the other day. On the schedule he saw "Guns 'n Roses" (sic) written. He only got a short glimpse of it, and he doesn't know the date, but he did say he believes it should happen quite shortly since his manager has it on his list.

this part I Dont buy.
there's been to many "short glimpses" that dont reveal anything, but just the name GNR.

and how hard is it to find out if they are going to print anything else.

at the factory
joe : so dude.... I hear we're working on GNR album next week
boss: where did you get that idea?
joe: mandy from the accounting told me
boss : she must be confused
joe: how come?
boss: we dont print it next week. we print it in 3 weeks.

or:

boss : she must be confused
joe: how come?
boss: she's probably gone crazy since we dont do GNR at all.

[Danny]

Ok dude.  Don't blame me for being skeptical, though...OK?

[SLCPUNK]

Blah!!!!

 

[src]

Danny: We have good reasons to be sceptical. I'm not sure about it either, but I post it because some flow of information is cool either way. Right now, there's no 2nd or 3rd source who can confirm this, unfortunately, and I'm no big fan of depending on one source...

Lucky: Security is tight and this is secretive, and those lists aren't exactly thrown around the offices. The managers would know this, but the average person won't see them until days before (or something like that). One thing though: He did indicate this could be a single based on the number code, so there's at least ONE more thing than the name.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see if the info is right.

[Calcy]

Does a cd necessarily need to be mastered. I'm pretty sure the latest Iron Maiden album , A Matter Of Life And Death wasn't mastered and it sounds no different, although the music is genius!

[Danny]

Danny: We have good reasons to be sceptical. I'm not sure about it either, but I post it because some flow of information is cool either way. Right now, there's no 2nd or 3rd source who can confirm this, unfortunately, and I'm no big fan of depending on one source...

Ok man.  Fair enough.

[Lucky]

Danny: We have good reasons to be sceptical. I'm not sure about it either, but I post it because some flow of information is cool either way. Right now, there's no 2nd or 3rd source who can confirm this, unfortunately, and I'm no big fan of depending on one source...

Lucky: Security is tight and this is secretive, and those lists aren't exactly thrown around the offices. The managers would know this, but the average person won't see them until days before (or something like that). One thing though: He did indicate this could be a single based on the number code, so there's at least ONE more thing than the name.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see if the info is right.

ok, I hope this is true, but so far, I'm playing it safe.

I just cant get over the fact that people always "get glimpses".

so far it's always been poop.



and just to be sure...
is there a chance that this might be some GNR posters, t-shirts or other GNR merchandise?
also, re-prints of the old catalogue are a possibility.

[WARose]

i guess a single is far more likely than the actual CD.....so why not?

[daviebuckethead]

man, i thought the last iron maiden album sounded terribel and really weak, i couldnt figure out why? maybe coz it wasn'y mastered?

Does a cd necessarily need to be mastered. I'm pretty sure the latest Iron Maiden album , A Matter Of Life And Death wasn't mastered and it sounds no different, although the music is genius!

[Thorazine Shuffle]

Does a cd necessarily need to be mastered. I'm pretty sure the latest Iron Maiden album , A Matter Of Life And Death wasn't mastered and it sounds no different, although the music is genius!

Mastering is required in order to reach proper sound decibels.? A CD has to be at 0 decibels or you can count out any radio play as well as duplication, since sound levels do degrade slightly in mass production.? Mastering also brings different sound waves to their approprriate? levels so they can be heard as well as even with other sound waves.

Mastering is just as important as a mix.? The rule is "mix at low volumes, master at high volumes".

[kollemann]

The next one 

[src]

and just to be sure...
is there a chance that this might be some GNR posters, t-shirts or other GNR merchandise?
also, re-prints of the old catalogue are a possibility.

Well, it was a cd or a single, but it could be something unofficial.

[Lucky]

how about AFD, UYI, etc.etc...

those need to be "re-printed" from time to time as well.

[rubinho.ma]

I hope we get an update on official site right after the mixing is done. Then we'll know that this is just a matter of days.

[GNRreunioneventually]

CHINESE DEMOCRACY is closer than ever before. Something tells me after 12+ years of waiting we'll have it before the end of the year

[Danny]

CHINESE DEMOCRACY is closer than ever before.

Now it's even CLOSER!!!!   



Sorry.  I just hate that "closer than ever" thing.  It's dumb.

[GNRreunioneventually]

CHINESE DEMOCRACY is closer than ever before.

Now it's even CLOSER!!!!? ?



Sorry.? I just hate that "closer than ever" thing.? It's dumb.

well it is.

Even if its just a rumor, doesn't this remotely excite you?
 

[Bartlet]

CHINESE DEMOCRACY is closer than ever before.

Now it's even CLOSER!!!!? ?



Sorry.? I just hate that "closer than ever" thing.? It's dumb.

well it is.

Even if its just a rumor, doesn't this remotely excite you?
 

yeah, C D e, people may think its closer than ever, but if i manage to get nearer to the pub tommorrow than i did today, it still doesnt mean a thing if i fail to buy and consume my tasty beverage, does it...?

[GNRreunioneventually]

alright alright you proved your point 

[Robman?]

It's interesting, and I hope this is true, but I've taught myself not to believe anything unofficial 

[Axlrose4eva]

I believe nothing from people on message boards who post about having friends who got a glimpse of something...  I mean this is an unconfirmed rumor even from the point of view of the person woh started it.  Lets say this guy is telling the truth and wasnt mistaken (like it wasnt the indy rap groups "Gins N' Hoeses") and that there really was a Guns N' Roses album his company is going to print...It could be anything.  It could be a reprint of any of the older albums, it could just as well be a reprint of GH's, it is far more likely it is a reprint than anything.

 Also lets say in the off chance the guy who posted is telling the truth, the friends is telling the truth, the friend isnt mistaken and it really said guns n' roses, and it really was for a printing, and it was for a new single.  First of all there is no date, maybe theyve had that on there for years.  There is always the possibility that if there is a date that it could change. 

Im sorry, this may be true, but I put about as much faith in this as I do in Duke winning the NCAA Mens BBALL tourney.

[Voodoochild]

I believe nothing from people on message boards who post about having friends who got a glimpse of something... 

Both Jan and Jazjme are reliable persons and well known on GNR community for years. Why would they make up a rumor like this, without even a release date or clamming to have something?

[McDuff]

I believe nothing from people on message boards who post about having friends who got a glimpse of something...?

Both Jan and Jazjme are reliable persons and well known on GNR community for years. Why would they make up a rumor like this, without even a release date or clamming to have something?

maybe to get people to go to their site?I dunno,hope it's true though.

[novemberparadise23]

did jan ever try to call this guy back and see if he could confirm what the list said?

[Voodoochild]

I believe nothing from people on message boards who post about having friends who got a glimpse of something... 

Both Jan and Jazjme are reliable persons and well known on GNR community for years. Why would they make up a rumor like this, without even a release date or clamming to have something?

maybe to get people to go to their site?I dunno,hope it's true though.

This is what other sites do, not them.

[BurningHills]

I believe nothing from people on message boards who post about having friends who got a glimpse of something... 

Both Jan and Jazjme are reliable persons and well known on GNR community for years. Why would they make up a rumor like this, without even a release date or clamming to have something?

maybe to get people to go to their site?I dunno,hope it's true though.

Don't rag on jaz like that man - he's a damn good guy.

[Thorazine Shuffle]

I believe nothing from people on message boards who post about having friends who got a glimpse of something...?

Both Jan and Jazjme are reliable persons and well known on GNR community for years. Why would they make up a rumor like this, without even a release date or clamming to have something?

maybe to get people to go to their site?I dunno,hope it's true though.

This is what other sites do, not them.

Agreed. ?They have no reason to start rumors, they have been around for years.

[GNRforever10]

Great news I think we will see a single here soon. GNR rocks!

[Danny]

I'm really perplexed by this one.  Jarmo...if you're around...do you have a take on this?

[Gordi]

This wouldn't surprise me in the slightest...
I mean... mixing would be finished or near enough now right?

[McDuff]

I believe nothing from people on message boards who post about having friends who got a glimpse of something...?

Both Jan and Jazjme are reliable persons and well known on GNR community for years. Why would they make up a rumor like this, without even a release date or clamming to have something?

maybe to get people to go to their site?I dunno,hope it's true though.

Don't rag on jaz like that man - he's a damn good guy.

It was a joke,I'm a member of that forum 

[GNRreunioneventually]

This wouldn't surprise me in the slightest...
I mean... mixing would be finished or near enough now right?

thats what i'm thinking

[ARC]

I believe nothing from people on message boards who post about having friends who got a glimpse of something...

Bingo! Me too. Nothing personal to this particular poster; I just abide by this rule in general.

Notice how it's always a 'glimpse'...?

[TrixAreForKids]

I'm surprised Mysteron hasn't responded to this unconfirmed rumour yet.

Maybe Mysteron can provide more info on this one?

[AdZ]

I can't see why he'd need to.

It's going to be printed at some point.

Either, it's already booked, or it's not.

Just wait and see.

[November_Rain]

It sounds good but we?ll have to wait and see

[redx]

It sounds good but we?ll have to wait and see

oh-no.. not that old game. Ye-Old, waiting N'seeing 
............ ............ ............ ............

Guns N'Roses - The Band that likes to make it's fans *-Wait N'See-*

[PeterCoffin]

The dude I know that tells me stuff has nothing on this, so I'm useless.

[kriss_boy]

did meanmachine get the IM? Have you phoned around? Any news?

Ta

[doooodickiebr]

HAVE PATIENCE...

[meanmachine73]

did meanmachine get the IM? Have you phoned around? Any news?

Ta

Nope, the only Email I got was from a guy from this board who felt that for the sake of integrity didn't want to disclose the company name of his contact. To a degree I can understand that.

However, I made some call's myself to people I would have thought would be producing the CD when it eventually gets to mastering, pressing, printing stage, and didn't get anywhere. I telephoned certain CSR's whom I know and they told me they had nothing in the system for and newly mastered CD, the only thing in production being GN'R reprints.? Is this what the guy saw on the list? A Gn'r Re-print? Would make alot of sense.

Sorry to be the bearer of potentially bad news, just want to clear things up as I see it.

[redx]

Booked don't mean a thing. They can always cancel. This is Gn'R after all 

[JDA]

HAVE PATIENCE...

I can't stand when someone says this.  Give me a break.

[spyder8739]

 Patience only goes so far... 

[oldgunsfan]

I'm surprised Mysteron hasn't responded to this unconfirmed rumour yet.

Maybe Mysteron can provide more info on this one?

If he commented on every rumor; he would be on-line 24-7 dispelling rumors

[src]

Booked don't mean a thing. They can always cancel. This is Gn'R after all?

Yes, which is my point. I hardly think the rumor I posted is big news, since 1) booking means it can just be cancelled, and I dunno how exact the dating is either way and 2) if they're mixing, I assume they've given thought to the next steps between that and getting the cds to the stores. I mean: Who here thinks they're mixing without having any idea of what they'll do with mastering? Following mastering, printing is next, so I think the same applies.

[KillKurtzKids]

Y'know people still buy Appetite, and this is probably going to be another good year for that record. Those discs you buy arn't as old as the record. Somewhere along the line Guns N' Roses will be booked in to have discs printed this year. Chinese Democracy or not.