Would Robin have been selected if not for...

[W 23 AXL II]

the fact that he was in NIN and thus carried a "cool, new, industrial" label on his back?

[jameslofton29]

NIN is the only reason he was picked. Without that, obviously no one would have ever heard of him so he couldn't have been picked for GNR. Out of all the new members, I've always been surprised that he's stayed for so long. I always have expected him to eventually quit(for real this time). I dont really hate him the way some of the people here do. I am willing to give him a chance before giving my final judgement.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

You are both wrong. Robin would not have been picked if Matt didnt show axl him in the Cirque Du Soliel. That is where axl discoved robin. It had more to do with axl seeing him in Cirque Du Soliel then him being in  NIN. Axl said I want that guy to play lead when slash was still in the? band. Remember?

[Falcon]

the fact that he was in NIN and thus carried a "cool, new, industrial" label on his back?

Of course not, no one would have known about Robin Finck if it weren't for his involvement in NIN.

[RichardNixon]

Who knows why Axl picked Robin to play in GN'R. We weren't there. This is all just speculation. I will give him credit though, for sticking with the new band for so long. The music must be that good, or the pay very lucrative.

[shaun]

Robin rocks!!!!!

[FlashFlood]

funny how some people on this board still consider NIN modern...

[AdZ]

You are both wrong. Robin would not have been picked if Matt didnt show axl him in the Cirque Du Soliel. That is where axl discoved robin. It had more to do with axl seeing him in Cirque Du Soliel then him being in  NIN. Axl said I want that guy to play lead when slash was still in the  band. Remember?

Exactly.

[ppbebe]

I bet Robin hits it well with Axl.

[Luigi]

Ya Hits him when he finds out GH2 is for real

[mikegiuliana]

So he was going to come to gnr to take over the lead, or share it with slash?? Who was going to be rythm..? SLASH..  That would be the ultimate insult to slash if it was to take over for him at lead...

[nesquick]

I think Axl went crazy in the mid 90's with his industrial paranoia. The man wanted GN'R to be NIN?
Comparing GN'R to NIN is like comparing the Rolling stones to Slipknot. I let uou judge..
Imagine Slash as a goth? ?

I think Axl should have never met Yoda. Anyway, it's past.

I think Robin is a correct guitar player. Nothing exeptional. Neither mediocre not great. Just average. he will never be Slash.

[Scabbie]

Here we go again 

[ppbebe]

Ya Hits him when he finds out GH2 is for real

Ya but that's a wrong person.
a big laugh @ the greatest hits, too!!!

he will never be Slash.

What a relief!

[W 23 AXL II]

this was not meant to turn into Slash vs. Robin ROUND 148

BUT


listening to Slash is like listening to perfection, he is so smooth with his legato, and he can run scales all over the neck, robin just basically stays in one area on the guitar, and has to calculate every next move (a common mistake for guitarists, but it keeps u as a player from getting to the next level if  u cannot break the cycle). slash is a monster all over the guitar, seemlessly mixes minor and major and harmonic scales, just totally amazing....everything he does on the guitar sounds amazing, from ripping leads, to big fat chords, to single note feedback, harmonics only in the right spots...the guy is totally amazing to WATCH and LISTEN to, he should be given more respect in the "Guitar Gods" world, even though everyone praises him, more respect still goes to other players, and i can understand Page and Clapton, but Jimi was NOT NOT NOT better as a player and sound producer than Slash. Hendrix was kinda sloppy and peircing, whereas Slash is on a nightrain ripping through the air smoothly and effortlessly.

[nesquick]

the guy is totally amazing to WATCH and LISTEN to

It's good to see a guy agreeing with me on the visual aspect. Indeed, It's important when you "watch" something.

[mikegiuliana]

Who cares whos' better I just wanted to know if slash was going to be bumped down to rythm for someone like robin..

[the dirt]

Who cares whos' better I just wanted to know if slash was going to be bumped down to rythm for someone like robin..

Probably, maybe some minor lead work; if he didn't like it he could take a hike

[Falcon]

You are both wrong. Robin would not have been picked if Matt didnt show axl him in the Cirque Du Soliel. That is where axl discoved robin. It had more to do with axl seeing him in Cirque Du Soliel then him being in? NIN. Axl said I want that guy to play lead when slash was still in the? band. Remember?

Exactly.

Well, not exactly.

To say Axl recruiting Robin?was based solely on his involvment in Cirque Du Soliel is ludicrous. ?They obvously knew the NIN guitar player was playing with Cirque Du Soliel and happen to catch him there, that's it. ?

[Voodoochild]

For all I remember, Axl wanted Robin to share the lead with Slash. I think I read a quote by Matt somewhere when he says "fuck, Axl wanted THREE guitar player on the line-up" because I think Paul Huge Tobias were already helping the band/Axl.

he should be given more respect in the "Guitar Gods" world, even though everyone praises him, more respect still goes to other players, and i can understand Page and Clapton, but Jimi was NOT NOT NOT better as a player and sound producer than Slash. Hendrix was kinda sloppy and peircing, whereas Slash is on a nightrain ripping through the air smoothly and effortlessly.

I can't even bother to answer this dumb statement because I know some fans are biased and praises their favourite members way too much.

[the dirt]

To say Axl recruiting Robin ?"had more to do with axl seeing him in Cirque Du Soliel then him being in ?NIN" is ludicrous. ?They obvously new the NIN guitar player was playing with Cirque Du Soliel and happen to catch him there, that's it. ?

Probably-

Does anybody know for certain that Robin played with NIN before or during his Cirque stint where Axl saw him?

I beleive that withought a doubt, considering how big a fan Axl was, that he knew the players who helped Trent, and knew Robin was one of them.

[mikegiuliana]

I would have never wanted 3 gnr guitar players while slash was there.. Guns n roses changed way to fucking much from what they started as.. Would they have added chris pittman too? I mean shit how many guys can you add to a once great band of 5.. Lots of guitar players onstage is really cool on things like camp freddy or something out of the ordinary to just rock out.. I had always saw nirvana as something really cool just being 3 guys and doing so good.. There's something great about simplicity in bands that can do so much with so little..

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Robin never wrote with NIN ,he was just with the live band.

[-Jack-]

For all I remember, Axl wanted Robin to share the lead with Slash. I think I read a quote by Matt somewhere when he says "fuck, Axl wanted THREE guitar player on the line-up" because I think Paul Huge Tobias were already helping the band/Axl.

he should be given more respect in the "Guitar Gods" world, even though everyone praises him, more respect still goes to other players, and i can understand Page and Clapton, but Jimi was NOT NOT NOT better as a player and sound producer than Slash. Hendrix was kinda sloppy and peircing, whereas Slash is on a nightrain ripping through the air smoothly and effortlessly.

I can't even bother to answer this dumb statement because I know some fans are biased and praises their favourite members way too much.

Yeah some fans are just way into their favs and are biased. Nice user pic... big Hendrix fan? .

[W 23 AXL II]

im just saying....Slash is tops of our times. its not a biased statement, its a simple comparison. in terms of great sound and great look, no one touches him. jimi was naked w/o rhythm guitar fequencies cancelling out his peircing highs. now as a song writer, im sure jimi beats him in that category.

...weird analogy moment

its like Madden ratings....if there were "madden type ratings", what would the categories be, and lets rank everyone out there and average it out and see who is on top.

studio sound, live sound, technical ability, showmanship, creativity (coolest riffs), celebrity vibe off-stage

[*Izzy*]

I would have never wanted 3 gnr guitar players while slash was there.. Guns n roses changed way to fucking much from what they started as.. Would they have added chris pittman too? I mean shit how many guys can you add to a once great band of 5.. Lots of guitar players onstage is really cool on things like camp freddy or something out of the ordinary to just rock out.. I had always saw nirvana as something really cool just being 3 guys and doing so good.. There's something great about simplicity in bands that can do so much with so little..

When there were 3 guitarists in GN'R it was quite pointless, if they had had twin lead guitar parts and one rhythm guitar that would have worked, but there was little point in just having three guitarists for the sake of it and having Robin and Buckethead doing their own solos one after the other instead of soloing together. There was so much potential between the 3 of them that was never put to work

[chineseblues]

To say Axl recruiting Robin  "had more to do with axl seeing him in Cirque Du Soliel then him being in  NIN" is ludicrous.  They obvously new the NIN guitar player was playing with Cirque Du Soliel and happen to catch him there, that's it. 

Probably-

Does anybody know for certain that Robin played with NIN before or during his Cirque stint where Axl saw him?

I beleive that withought a doubt, considering how big a fan Axl was, that he knew the players who helped Trent, and knew Robin was one of them.

Robin did the Cirque gig after his first stint in NIN, it was something like 96-97 (I believe)?

[dave-gnfnr2k]

I would have never wanted 3 gnr guitar players while slash was there.. Guns n roses changed way to fucking much from what they started as.. Would they have added chris pittman too? I mean shit how many guys can you add to a once great band of 5.. Lots of guitar players onstage is really cool on things like camp freddy or something out of the ordinary to just rock out.. I had always saw nirvana as something really cool just being 3 guys and doing so good.. There's something great about simplicity in bands that can do so much with so little..

When there were 3 guitarists in GN'R it was quite pointless, if they had had twin lead guitar parts and one rhythm guitar that would have worked, but there was little point in just having three guitarists for the sake of it and having Robin and Buckethead doing their own solos one after the other instead of soloing together. There was so much potential between the 3 of them that was never put to work

Like I have said 100 times on this board and people cant see to understand this point. The reason for three guitar players was not to play the old songs but for the songs on the new album. Since its still not out we dont know how it sounds but the album has parts for three players thus is the reason they had three in the band.

[rainX]

this was not meant to turn into Slash vs. Robin ROUND 148

BUT


listening to Slash is like listening to perfection, he is so smooth with his legato, and he can run scales all over the neck, robin just basically stays in one area on the guitar, and has to calculate every next move (a common mistake for guitarists, but it keeps u as a player from getting to the next level if  u cannot break the cycle). slash is a monster all over the guitar, seemlessly mixes minor and major and harmonic scales, just totally amazing....everything he does on the guitar sounds amazing, from ripping leads, to big fat chords, to single note feedback, harmonics only in the right spots...the guy is totally amazing to WATCH and LISTEN to, he should be given more respect in the "Guitar Gods" world, even though everyone praises him, more respect still goes to other players, and i can understand Page and Clapton, but Jimi was NOT NOT NOT better as a player and sound producer than Slash. Hendrix was kinda sloppy and peircing, whereas Slash is on a nightrain ripping through the air smoothly and effortlessly.

Did you just say that Slash is a better sound producer than Hendrix was.

have you ever listenened to electric ladyland? perhaps the sound that he created for burning of the midnight lamp?

"Hendrix was kinda sloppy" - anyone who says this obviously doesn't "feel" music, they "analyze" it.

[Carlos_f_Rose]

I bet Robin hits it well with Axl.

I bet Slash still hits it even better, with Axl

[sweechile]

this was not meant to turn into Slash vs. Robin ROUND 148

BUT


listening to Slash is like listening to perfection, he is so smooth with his legato, and he can run scales all over the neck,, but Jimi was NOT NOT NOT better as a player and sound producer than Slash. Hendrix was kinda sloppy and peircing, whereas Slash is on a nightrain ripping through the air smoothly and effortlessly.

[W 23 AXL II]

im not saying anything bad about hendrix, i love him, but in a LIVE scenario, and as the total package, he doesn't touch Slash. just listen to, and watch, some live shows and compare the two.

[sweechile]

>>Hendrix was sloppy and piercing?........


How can any lame ass like yourself compare ANYONE, especially SLASH? ?to the incredible genius of Jimi Hendrix.? ?Yea Jimi was kinda sloppy kinda peircing,? ?yea? cause he invented everything these hacks called slash or any rock guitarist since 1971.
? you dumb fuk,? you dont realize that hendrix did what none other did before him, he created a language called lead guitar fuk everyone else, style.? ?he did it as a much slagged Black American, playing to a White audience,? circa 1967-70,? and PLOWED through all these White Supremass judgemental stupid asses.? ?You should actually try to understand the bullshit of the late 60's, dead Kennedys (not the band), dead ML King (not the blvd),? dead everyone who dared to buck the Hard assed LBJ, Nixon agenda.
? you can read for yourself thru the National Archives of what a job Nixon did for Saint Lennon even.

yea,? you got your weak slash posters on your beat-off wall,? but listen to his solo albums.? .......boy, nothing there in the slightest resemblence to a rememberable song,? ?ala,? Mr.? Hendrix.? ? ? Bow down to the Masters of Rock, and fuk the wannabees,? including the cool long haired drunk Slash.? ? although he IS my favorite Drunk guitarist of all time!!!? ?
Slash is the greatest guitarist in the history of mankind!!? ? Lets vote him in to the HALL OF DRUNK fame!!

[disease51883]

From what I remember, I think it went like this. Slash quit, and GNR was without a lead guitarist. Matt wanted Axl to replace Tobias with Finck and bring Slash back. Axl decided to use Finck to take Slash's spot instead. I never heard of any three guitarist plans until 2001 or so.

[RichardNixon]

It's amazing how Robin Finck has been in GN'R almost as long as Slash was, yet he is still the "new" guitar player. It's a shame that Finck hasn't recorded much--only the live album with NIN, some songs on the the "still" CD, and some other remix albums, and "ghost of mars."

[nesquick]

I never heard of any three guitarist plans until 2001 or so.

Same for me. It seems the early version of the "Chinese Democracy" record was made with 2 guitar players (Jim Barber recent interview - I noticed 2 guitar players). I've always been against the 3 guitar players idea for GN'R. You never know who play what, and it doesn't put the guitar players under the spotlights.?
I saw Oasis, they have 2 guitar players, without keyboards, and they sound LOUD.

and sometimes, 1 guitar is enough to embraze the audience. The perfect exemple is Oasis during the accoustic version of "Wonderwall". Just Noel Gallagher on accoustic guitar, alone, with the audience singing all along. Just 1 guitar here. http://savefile.com/projects3.php?fid=3369418&pid=166279 (wonderwall, track 13)
Listen to that and you will understand why Oasis sold 50 million records and has been the greatest European band since the Beattles?

GN'R should come back to the fundamentals. Stick with 2 guitar players and just Rock the place. Finck and Fortus complete each other, this is a great guitar duet.

[Voodoochild]

Yeah some fans are just way into their favs and are biased. Nice user pic... big Hendrix fan? .

Of course I'm a Hendrix fan, but it doesn't change the fact that Hendrix was a genius (if you can't trust me, just ask what others guitar players - Slash included - thinks about Hendrix).

Did you just say that Slash is a better sound producer than Hendrix was.

have you ever listenened to electric ladyland? perhaps the sound that he created for burning of the midnight lamp?

"Hendrix was kinda sloppy" - anyone who says this obviously doesn't "feel" music, they "analyze" it.

Thanks, rey. You can put "Axis" too, because it was recorded with only 4 channels - and still sounds awesome.

[ppbebe]

Yay, Jimi is the great original.

Robin is a guitarist of originality too. Subjective, aye but I ain't original on it .
Could be Sloppiness causes originality, as a Nobel laureate scientist says boo-boo is the mother of invention.

Listen to that and you will understand why Oasis sold 50 million records and has been the greatest European band since the Beattles 

I thought U2 is the biggest European band since the beatles but thanks for the link.

funny, the talk on the number of guitarist reminds me that this article on Kingcrimson's '21st Century Schizoid Man' (is a must if you ask me) reminded me of that article on the time of March.

this article
"King Crimson", says Adrian Belew, "does a brand of music that no-one else does, a sound that no-one else makes." Robert Fripp calls it "the sound of 170 guitarists almost hitting the same chord at the same time."

that article
Paul Buckmaster on his sessions with GNR during August and September 2002
"We'd be listening to a guitar part and he(Axl) 'd say, 'That's not nearly loud enough'. Anyone else would have said that it was the loudest guitar sound ever recorded."

Can't wait!!!

[BD888]

this was not meant to turn into Slash vs. Robin ROUND 148

BUT


listening to Slash is like listening to perfection, he is so smooth with his legato, and he can run scales all over the neck, robin just basically stays in one area on the guitar, and has to calculate every next move (a common mistake for guitarists, but it keeps u as a player from getting to the next level if? u cannot break the cycle). slash is a monster all over the guitar, seemlessly mixes minor and major and harmonic scales, just totally amazing....everything he does on the guitar sounds amazing, from ripping leads, to big fat chords, to single note feedback, harmonics only in the right spots...the guy is totally amazing to WATCH and LISTEN to, he should be given more respect in the "Guitar Gods" world, even though everyone praises him, more respect still goes to other players, and i can understand Page and Clapton, but Jimi was NOT NOT NOT better as a player and sound producer than Slash. Hendrix was kinda sloppy and peircing, whereas Slash is on a nightrain ripping through the air smoothly and effortlessly.

You are joking right?  Slash is one of the fucking sloppiest guitarists I've ever seen and GNR is my favorite band.  Have you ever watched the Use Your Illusion videos? GNR released those as the best of what they could do live when there were hundreds of other concerts to choose from and they knew before the concert that it would recorded for that purpose too.  I've watched so many bootleg vids and Slash has never played a concert without making lots of mistakes, usually plaing bum notes when playing fast.  Slash on record is awesome, and his performace live is awesome, but hey just like his dress sense he's sloppy.  I wouldn't change him either...to me no one captures the spirit of  Rock n Roll like that anymore.

Any you really shouldn't compare anyone to Jimi Hendrix, it's just not done.  No Jimi, No Slash.  There's no one to have come along that changed guitar playing like Hendrix since, other than Eddie Van Halen.  And Jimi changed everything we know about guitar.  Slash just made rock lead playing cool again.

[nesquick]

Listen to that and you will understand why Oasis sold 50 million records and has been the greatest European band since the Beattles?

I thought U2 is the biggest European band since the beatles but thanks for the link.

U2 sold more records because they started in the late 70's. Oasis in the mid 90's. but I prefer Oasis, they were a bigger phenomenon than U2 at their Top of their career. "What's the Story morning Glory" sold 20 million copies,and Oasis changed the face of UK music. None of U2's album went so big, not even "the joshua tree". I think Oasis have had 10 or 11 #1 singles in the charts, all their album went to #1, U2 never went so big, even if they have leasted for a longer time.?U2 became big with time, not because they blew people away "in a second". Exept "Achtung Baby", U2 is a pretty boring band for me. Oasis is more exiting, they have more personalities,? and... they do better music.? ?

Oasis' success makes me think a lot to the GN'R one (even if GN'R was bigger): When they arrived, they became the biggest band in the world.

Oasis Main Road april'96 - Manchester - watch this concert, and then you could die. not before.

[younggunner]

I think to answer your question you should look at the fact the Robin has been in this band almost as long as the old members were in this band.

For anyone to knock Robin at this point in time is silly. You all say he cant play the old songs, I disagree but fine thats ok thats your opinon. But you are the same people who knock GNr for playing the old songs.

Robin Finck and the rest of the band are not here for the old songs. They did the songs for you on the last tour no1 else. Some enjoyed it some didnt. But in the end it dont really matter.

You will be able to judge Robin when the album is out. He ha sbeen here for a very long time. His  tricks and treats will all be in the album.  He has been involve din all aspects of the game. The fact that he has been here this long should explain that he must have some ability. Do you really think Axl would keep someone around if they sucked. Get fuckin real already people.

[W 23 AXL II]

If i was starting a new band, and could choose anyone in their prime, i would take Slash b/c he would be not only the biggest STAR, but have a great, SMOOTH sound. sure, alittle sloppy, but not piercing like jimi. sorry, thats just my opinion. and slash doesn't hit too many bad notes, just once in awhile. nothing like robin LOL

[younggunner]

Slash is one of the greatest guiatrists ever. I dont think any1 disputes that. But its over. Hes done with. That doesnt mean Robin, Buckethead or any1 else in the band cant do something with this band.

If its ok that Slash hasnt done anything memorable like he did with GNr in terms of music and solos because hes in a new band and is "trying not to be like gis old self"....will it be ok for Gnr if their music doesnt sound like old gnr?

[mikegiuliana]

I think to answer your question you should look at the fact the Robin has been in this band almost as long as the old members were in this band.

just to say maybe to some it feels like he has been there that long but to someone like myself it doesn't feel that way at all.. Imagine looking at what the old members accomplished in that time period from albums to tours and then see what we have on record of what robin has done.. That's why to many people this band is so new because there is no material really, no albums to pop in the cd player.. I am not disputing the man's ability because that is not what I am talking about.. it's just for me he could be replaced before cd came out and I wouldn't even miss him

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Why is this thread turning into a slash vr robin thread?

[Kurupt Girl]

robin has been in guns n' roses just as long as slash has

[Thorazine Shuffle]

robin has been in guns n' roses just as long as slash has

Thats true.  And it's very unfortunate that he can't show the world what he's made of.  I'm sure he'll quiet alot of skeptics once CD is released.

[ClintroN]

I think Robin is a correct guitar player. Nothing exeptional. Neither mediocre not great. Just average. he will never be Slash.

honestly, its the other way around mate

[jarmo]

Oasis? What's wrong with you?

There's no Oasis in Guns N' Roses.





/jarmo

[younggunner]

just to say maybe to some it feels like he has been there that long but to someone like myself it doesn't feel that way at all..

u know the saying time doesnt lie? well Robin has been in this band since 97---that is 8 yrs..pretty long if u ask me

Imagine looking at what the old members accomplished in that time period from albums to tours and then see what we have on record of what robin has done..

no1 is disputing or comparing the old vs new so why bring t up. I made the point about length of time in the band. Not what they done or havnt done. I said being Robin is in the band for 8 yrs{almost as long as the old band was together) should tell you that Axl thinks highly of his ability and what he brought to the band.

hat's why to many people this band is so new 

thats a good thing

it's just for me he could be replaced before cd came out and I wouldn't even miss him

And thats what seperates you from many people here. You dont care about this band at the moment. But other peopel do. Its more than just an Axl album to some. Not just a solo album. Either way, its fine, but again Robin has done something right in order to be n this band for this long.

and im sure th emusic on the album will reenforce that.