I always wanted to know - Who wrote What?

[W 23 AXL II]

I always wanted to know....who wrote the music for the songs...

i know izzy was a primary writer....but lets say for example, (if u play guitar) the part of PC "so far away", the guitar chords go to D to C, and slash plays alittle riff over it. who wrote that.....who wrote the bridge to jungle: E chromatically to B, who wrote the solo chord changes for nightrain, whose idea was it to have a softer part for Its So Easy, who picked the solo chords for the dont cry solo etc. etc. etc. (how about...who wrote the outro to locomotive, some very cool shit!!!!)

is there any place that discusses who wrote what song, and even more specifically, what part of each song.

[ryan_of_lax]

I have a funny feeling Axl wrote the outro to Locomotive. It just strikes me that way. The song is credited to him and Slash, and it would be easy to assume that Axl wrote the lyrics and Slash wrote the music, like in Coma... but the end of Locomotive strikes me as being very Axl-esque

What I'd like to know is just how much Steven wrote in the songs... I'm sure he came up with the drum parts, but anyone could. I don't think people should be credited for writing songs unless they actually came up with a whole part... not just their own individual instrument. I ask this because in that new interview from Argentina he says that he gets equal pay with the rest of the band besides Axl... If I were Duff or Izzy who actually WROTE most of the songs, that would make me pretty angry.

[loretian]

I ask this because in that new interview from Argentina he says that he gets equal pay with the rest of the band besides Axl... If I were Duff or Izzy who actually WROTE most of the songs, that would make me pretty angry.

I believe even the most ardent Popcorn fans would agree, Steven can't really be trusted about anything.

[nesquick]

Axl wrote the vocals and some music.
Slash, Izzy and Duff wrote the music.
Steven Adler prepared some cofee.

 

[PJ]

i remember reading how the band divided ?the money.... i think it was a quote of steven vs guns trial...
slash invented this system.. the money was divided and ?they had 4 categories i think lyrics, arrangement, melody and riffs....
i remember that axl had 45% of AFD.....
steven didnt wirte a single note... only played the drum parts so he didnt have too much money and he said if they give him 15% he will leave the band...so axl give a part of his money... i think he originally had 5%

[Krispy Kreme]

i remember reading how the band divided ?the money.... i think it was a quote of steven vs guns trial...
slash invented this system.. the money was divided and ?they had 4 categories i think lyrics, arrangement, melody and riffs....
i remember that axl had 45% of AFD.....
steven didnt wirte a single note... only played the drum parts so he didnt have too much money and he said if they give him 15% he will leave the band...so axl give a part of his money... i think he originally had 5%

AFD:
25% Axl
20% Duff, Slash, Izzy (total of 60%)
15% Steven

[chineseblues]

i remember reading how the band divided  the money.... i think it was a quote of steven vs guns trial...
slash invented this system.. the money was divided and  they had 4 categories i think lyrics, arrangement, melody and riffs....
i remember that axl had 45% of AFD.....
steven didnt wirte a single note... only played the drum parts so he didnt have too much money and he said if they give him 15% he will leave the band...so axl give a part of his money... i think he originally had 5%

AFD:
25% Axl
20% Duff, Slash, Izzy (total of 60%)
15% Steven

There is an interview where Axl states he wrote 40 odd % of appetite and the others have wrote various other amounts. I can't find the interview, does anyone know the one im talking about?

[thelostrose]

i remember reading how the band divided? the money.... i think it was a quote of steven vs guns trial...
slash invented this system.. the money was divided and? they had 4 categories i think lyrics, arrangement, melody and riffs....
i remember that axl had 45% of AFD.....
steven didnt wirte a single note... only played the drum parts so he didnt have too much money and he said if they give him 15% he will leave the band...so axl give a part of his money... i think he originally had 5%

AFD:
25% Axl
20% Duff, Slash, Izzy (total of 60%)
15% Steven

There is an interview where Axl states he wrote 40 odd % of appetite and the others have wrote various other amounts. I can't find the interview, does anyone know the one im talking about?

right, slash came up with how to divide the money.

25% music
25% lyrics
25% arrangement
25%

something like this. anyone remembers it?

[PJ]

i remember reading how the band divided? the money.... i think it was a quote of steven vs guns trial...
slash invented this system.. the money was divided and? they had 4 categories i think lyrics, arrangement, melody and riffs....
i remember that axl had 45% of AFD.....
steven didnt wirte a single note... only played the drum parts so he didnt have too much money and he said if they give him 15% he will leave the band...so axl give a part of his money... i think he originally had 5%

AFD:
25% Axl
20% Duff, Slash, Izzy (total of 60%)
15% Steven

There is an interview where Axl states he wrote 40 odd % of appetite and the others have wrote various other amounts. I can't find the interview, does anyone know the one im talking about?

yeah i also remember the interview

[WARose]

well  steven said in a recent interview  axl 25%
                                                              slash 20%
                                                              duff 20%
                                                              izzy 20%
                                                              steven 15%
these are the numbers for appetite only he said.

the only problem i have with this  is, that steven is the one who said it....
i also remember axl said something about this topic but i`m not sure where.....

[W 23 AXL II]

but does anyone know where we can find out who wrote what parts? i guess its going to be hard, maybe just the memebrs themselves know (or have forgotten, which i doubt)

[Neemo]

Look here: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/releases/index.html

AFD
"Welcome To The Jungle" - (Music: Slash, Rose / Lyrics: Rose)
"It's So Easy" - (Music: McKagan, Arkeen / Lyrics: McKagan, Arkeen )
"Nightrain" - (Music: Stradlin, McKagan, Rose, Slash / Lyrics: McKagan, Rose)
"Out Ta Get Me" - (Music: Slash, Rose, Stradlin / Lyrics: Rose, Stradlin)
"Mr. Brownstone" - (Music: Stradlin, Slash / Lyrics: Stradlin)
"Paradise City" - (Music: McKagan, Slash, Rose, Stradlin / Lyrics: Rose, McKagan)
"My Michelle" - (Music: Rose, Stradlin / Lyrics: Rose)
"Think About You" - (Music: Stradlin / Lyrics: Stradlin)
"Sweet Child O' Mine" - (Music: Rose, Slash, Stradlin / Lyrics: Rose)
"You're Crazy" - (Music: Slash, Stradlin, Rose / Lyrics: Rose, Stradlin)
"Anything Goes" - (Music: Stradlin, Rose, Weber / Lyrics: Stradlin, Rose)
"Rocket Queen" - (Music: Rose, Slash, Stradlin / Lyrics: Rose)

Music (32 credits)
Rose (9/12 songs) - 28%
Slash (8/12 songs) - 25%
Stradlin (10/12 songs) - 31%
McKagan (3/12 songs) - 10%
Adler (0/12 songs) - 0%
Weber (1/12 songs) - 3%
Arkeen (1/12 songs) - 3%

Lyrics (18 credits)
Rose (9/12 songs) - 50%
Slash (0/12 songs) - 0%
Stradlin (5/12 songs) - 28%
McKagan (3/12 songs) - 17%
Adler (0/12 songs) - 0%
Weber (0/12 songs) - 0%
Arkeen (1/12 songs) - 5%

Total (50% music/50% lyrics)
Axl - 39%
Slash - 12.5%
Stradlin - 29.5%
McKagan - 13.5%
Adler - 0%
Weber - 1.5%
Arkeen - 4%

Of course this theory is assuming if you got a credit for writing a song you had an equal share in it (Axl/Stradlin = 50/50). Intersting that Duff had more credits than Slash

[madagas]

That formula was discussed in the court case of Adler vs the band. I think Axl had 42% of the writing credits....not exactly sure but it was in that range. It definitely came from the court case.

[Neemo]

That formula was discussed in the court case of Adler vs the band. I think Axl had 42% of the writing credits....not exactly sure but it was in that range. It definitely came from the court case.

Maybe they didn't take into account the credits to Arkeen and Weber Not sure. But you make me feel smart cuz i came up with that formula all by my lonesome.

[madagas]

Your damn close! I believe Slash and Axl devised the formula they used in the court case. They were obviously trying to show Steven had as little as input as possible!

[Neemo]

I reworked the numbers without Weber and Arkeen and they look like this:

Rose = 42%
Slash = 13%
Stradlin = 32%
McKagan = 14%
Adler = 0%

Wow I'm sooo cool

[Neemo]

You know what though. I would say it's a pretty safe bet that Slash did the vast majority of solos, Duff did the vast majority of Bass riffs and Steven did the vast majority of Drum lines. I'm not write sure exactly what constitutes as writing the music for a song. Other than Duff, I can't see any of them sitting at a Drum kit deciding when to hit the High Hat, Snare, etc. you know what i mean?

[jabba2]

Izzy and Slash wrote all the guitar parts. Maybe with some input from Duff.

[PJ]

i think the solos, bass lines and drumparts arent included in the worting of the song... they are credited by another thing, but not for writing...

[ryan_of_lax]

Of course the individual is going to write the part for their own intruments... That's just assumed.
I think "writing" means coming up with the part, or modifying it.

Like if I wrote a song, and someone else added a bridge, or changed the chorus or something.
That's writing.

Coming up with drums and bass is just what you're in the band to do.

[Neemo]

Of course the individual is going to write the part for their own intruments... That's just assumed.
I think "writing" means coming up with the part, or modifying it.

Like if I wrote a song, and someone else added a bridge, or changed the chorus or something.
That's writing.

Coming up with drums and bass is just what you're in the band to do.

But..........

Can you imagine any GnR song (besides Patience ) without drums. Adding drums to a song is part of the creative process, no? They are not just an after thought to the creative process. Drums and Bass go hand in hand and are arguably the backbone of songs. Without the timing layed down its hard to keep those guitarists in line (I know I'm one of them After I took some lessons for Bass Guitar I was waayyy better at keeping  song timing in my head)

Take Paradise City for example Stevens drum work on that song defines it from the cybals setting up Slash's intro to the Snare(?)/Bass combo (I don't pretend to be a Drummer) through the whole song to the little drum roll at the end. Nobody but Steven did that shit. and it's all just as loud as the guitar work on the recording.

And SCoM Duff's bassline during the intro is Killer, and I have no doubts that that was all him (yet he gets no credit for helping to write the song) it definately is not the same as Slash's intro I can tell you that

[Captain P?l]

GNR could have done the drumming the "metallica" way... and told steven, we want you to play this song with kind of a punk feel to it, but alittle more funky.
know what i mean? like the brake right before/in the solo in move to the city, the cowbell, did steven comeup with that? or did anyone else tell him that would be cool?

also, who's idea was it to use the cowbell? maybe axl/slash/duff told him cowbell is cool... we never know... i just hope steven was more creative than that..

[dr. light]

im fuckin tired that some people here always turn this things into steven bashin things

i didnt read any answer to this topic...they were all steven bashing answers

[Neemo]

im fuckin tired that some people here always turn this things into steven bashin things

i didnt read any answer to this topic...they were all steven bashing answers

I thought I answered the question as well as anyone could (Outside people who were there) I took all the credits for AFD and gave a percentage for how many credits each member got. It's not my fault that Steven got 0% I'm sick of people Defending a douchebag at every turn

In all honesty I dont care for him myself but I also did defend him (sorta) saying that "Stevens drum work on PC defines the song" and that "I highly doubt anyone but Steven "wrote" the drum parts for AFD".

[dr. light]

yeah but steven did a lot more in appetite than what he is credit for. axl knew it so he gave him 15%.

what i dont understand is why always people laugh at him.

[PJ]

yeah but steven did a lot more in appetite than what he is credit for. axl knew it so he gave him 15%.

what i dont understand is why always people laugh at him.

NO axl gave him this money... cuz in the middle of a tour... steven said that if they dont give him this amount of money... he wont play..

[Walapino]

yeah but steven did a lot more in appetite than what he is credit for. axl knew it so he gave him 15%.

what i dont understand is why always people laugh at him.

NO axl gave him this money... cuz in the middle of a tour... steven said that if they dont give him this amount of money... he wont play..

he pulled an Axl 

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Of course the individual is going to write the part for their own intruments... That's just assumed.
I think "writing" means coming up with the part, or modifying it.

Like if I wrote a song, and someone else added a bridge, or changed the chorus or something.
That's writing.

No its not. Writing credit goes like this.
Melody is 50% and Lyrics are 50%.
That is it. If a band wants to give credit for anything else they can but dont have to.
Just look at Nov Rain and Estranged. Axl wrote the melody and lyrics for both while slash wrote the solos but slash did not get any writing credits for either song.
So unless you write some lyrics or help come up with the main melody, you dont get credit.
Also vocal melody goes into the melody for the 50%.
Axl a lot of times Axl got credit for melody for his vocal melody

[chineseblues]

yeah but steven did a lot more in appetite than what he is credit for. axl knew it so he gave him 15%.

what i dont understand is why always people laugh at him.

NO axl gave him this money... cuz in the middle of a tour... steven said that if they dont give him this amount of money... he wont play..

You're pretty close but it was just before they made the album that Steven threatened to quit if he didn't get a percentage of the publishing, so Axl gave him 15% of his just so steven would stay in the band and so they could do the album.

[Butch Français]

GNR could have done the drumming the "metallica" way... and told steven, we want you to play this song with kind of a punk feel to it, but alittle more funky.
know what i mean? like the brake right before/in the solo in move to the city, the cowbell, did steven comeup with that? or did anyone else tell him that would be cool?

also, who's idea was it to use the cowbell? maybe axl/slash/duff told him cowbell is cool... we never know... i just hope steven was more creative than that..

I highly doubt the other guys in the band came up with the different drumparts..
maybe Duff did come up with a few but that would be it.

I play drums, and I know from experience that when any dufus that plays a different instrument suggests I do  a part a certain way, it ALWAYS ends up sounding like absolute shite when I play it the way they ask me to.

people that are not drummers can't really see whats possible to do on drums within the beat you're playing and such.
it just ends up sounding chaotic and pointless.

Im not gonna say much more here than that Steven definately deserved the 15% that he got!
Slash made a pretty crappy system for the royalty-splitting.

[ClintroN]

       why cant you people realize that the drums  we hear on AFD is what Steven wrote !!!

He made the fills and drum beats to the songs, and he would have influenced the guys at some point during writing, maybe some stops n' changes or some shit!!

If we had ol' Boring arse Fat Sorum on AFD it wouldnt have been the classic shit we have, it would have been fucked     i love Stevens Snare hits n' his rolls man, he kix arse and he deserve's his 15% cut!!!

[i_love_axl]

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