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i saw richard in many music shows on german tv, top of the pops, echo 2004, the dome...

Yes, I saw him, too. It was Richard and it seemd like he really enjoyed playing.

agh nsync and now enrique iglesias... WHAT THE FUCK!  :rant:

Richard is such a  rock tar....

:rofl:

Fortus is great with "guns n' roses". I don't care if he plays with enrique iglesias.
Didn't Slash play with Blackstreet and puff dady? so what? Slash didn't loose my respect, he is great and will always be the number 1.
now Falcon stop sucking my dick. get out. leave me alone. you're always behind me. are you in love with "rocktar 81"? sorry guy, I'm not gay.

are you talking about the same Slash? the guitar player for the most dangerous band in the world? yeah playing with Wako Jako and Blackstreet didnt loose him any respect.... haahha

Paul never played with Nsync and Enrique... they need to talk Paul into comming back full time..

just your posts...  :P

I believe Slash played with him at NetAid. Tommy Stinson appears in Puff Daddy's "It's All About The Benjamins (Rock Remix)" video.


/jarmo

Well, the big difference is, Slash went down from being in the biggest band in the world to playing with "Snoop Dogg or whoever the fuck"  :hihi: Richard, on the other hand, was a studio/touring musician *before* he fell into GNR's radar.

Did you get tired of calling Buckethead's work "cheesy", TiedHands?  

Nothing better to do except compare Slash to some Izzy-lookalike?

 ::)

and didn't Madonna sing with britney spears? didn't elton john make a duo with blue? so what? they are both legend artists who sold more than 100 million albums worldwide. it's just 1 or 2 collaborations for money or friendship. would you say that madonna and elton john loose respect by people? I don't think so.
and didn't AXL make a duo with shaquille o' neil??

What about just for fun?

From this sites New Album page...

"Shaquille O'Neal guest rapped with the band in the studio. Whether or not the track(s) will appear on the album, is unknown at this moment. "

I definitely wouldnt want to hear Shaquille O' Neal, or any rapping, on a GNR album.  But as far as Slash and Fortus, who cares who they play with?  Theyre musicians, and if they want to make money and have fun playing with different pop artists, thats fine with me.  As long as we dont hear the Insane Clown Posse on a Velvet Revolver record or Enrique Iglesias on a GNR one, then I have no problem with it.  

To be fair, Richard probably needs gigs such as tours with Enrique, album sessions with N*sync and BT, video shoots with Britney etc etc to keep the dough rolling in, being a seesion player by trade.

'Ah, but doesn't he a full-time contract with GnR?' Don't forget, non songwriting members of bands only make serious money from touring in most cases, and I am not optimistic that GnR will be embarking on a full tour soon.  

I couldn't have any less respect for Nysnc Fortus

Eddie Van Halen also worked with Wacko Jacko.  

Both Slash and Van Halen were ASKED to work with the guy because they are both at the top of their field.  

Now go on and tell me how no one has respect for Van Halen... go on.

As Is he struggling pointed out, Fortus probably needs such gigs.  Slash and Van Halen dont.

Ok, listen up guitarists here.

If you were in a world-famous band and yet could still get paid for playing very simple music in someone's backing band where it's most likely nobody (save for a few die hards) will even recognise you, and you got a fat-ass cheque at the end of it, wouldn't you go for it?

Guitarists have to pay bills. Nuff said.

And as it goes, you have to make stepping stones in your career. Fortus did it to get into GN'R. Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones were session guys before they hit the big time. They probably played gigs with artists who weren't too clever.

It happens. Kindly get over it.  ;D

It seems like everyone is off doing there own thing.  As long as Richard is still in the band then it's ok.  So what he's out there making a little money.  It's not like GN'R is doing anything right now.

Yeah, playing with the biggest superstar in the world at the time strips him of all credibility... ::)  

And Blackstreet (Teddy Riley) was one of R&Bs most respected acts...but if making these criticisms makes you feel cool and smart, then carry on.  

I assume you also have a problem with the lead singer of the most dangerous band in the world playing piano with Elton John?

Unfortunately, kockstar and Finck tv (aka TiedHands) are the kind of fans that are turncoats, hence their respective lameass dissing of Slash and BH.

If Brian May were to join (and then leave because GNR still hasnt done anything), watch them poke fun at this legendary guitarist.

They will never have a problem with the lead singer, instead they will 'blame it on the Falun Gong'.

Yeah I mean as if you'd go do guitar sessions with other artists while another band you are contracted to is doing nothing, to pay your bills and use your expertise  ::)

you are all very complicated. it's just for fun, that's all.

I'm not a turncoat. I'll be honest, I love all of GNR's music, but I never really loved the band itself. I didn't really find interest in Slash, Duff, or Izzy, but I'm infatuated with this new band, so I didn't "turn" on anyone. BTW, I admire and sympathise with the Falun Gong, they shouldn't be blamed for anything   :)

He likes to play and get paid.  I see no problem with Richard doing stuff like that.  

Do you expect him to pass up those opportunities and sit on his ass?

The main problem I see, is that Slash created the music for Blackstreet and Jackson. I doubt Richard wrote Enriques songs. There is a difference from writing and appearing on album/video than there is just touring and what not.

Slash's colaborations are great. His guitar work in them is really something. I am not so sure about these Enrique/Britney stints. I couldn't be paid to listen to them.

They are both session whores. Oh well. So is Jimmy Page. I guess he sucks as well.

the guy has become a drunk, he cant work with any singers,  he cant even work with one of his brothers from what iam hearing...sure the man can play the guitar.. but respect him? cant say i respect the man, his guitar ability yes...but thats it...

no i dont need to insult slash to feel "cool" and "smart"

compare the slash of 87, 88, 89 (Roxy show era) to the guy that played with wako jako and blackstreet...

Axl ALWAYS said that Elton John was a personal inspiration for him... and to play a song with Elton would be a dream for him...

Slash NEVER EVER cited Wako or Blackstreet as a favorite of his... he sited Stones, Slade, Sweet, Pistols, Ramones..

Therefore i conclude that he played with Wako and Blackstreet for the money or the exposure it would bring him, not coz it was something he really belived in or gave a fuck about....

I could be wrong thats just my opinion...but the public perception of him was ALOT different after those apperances than before them....  

please reply..... :beer:

Uh, you know that famous musicians aren't supposed to be your friends, right?  Do you personally know Eddie Van Halen?  I doubt it, so what do you actually know about the situation?  You know NOTHING except for some garbage you've heard in the press, which can never be considered accurate even if it was true because you weren't there to see it yourself.

All you should care about are his guitar playing and music writing.  Everything personal is a waste of time.

your right i dont know the man or cant say i want too.. dont really dig his music either, never did,.. like Diamond dave tho,.. creative guy,.. has alot to say on and off stage, he makes good points and is entertaining...  as for Van Halen? dont care if he lives or dies, or ever makes another record for that matter... but since this isnt a thread about Eddie Van Halen ill leave it as that.... no i dont respect him as a musician or man... to do that i would have to care or be interested in him and his music.. he can play the guitar well tho...

Not much of a difference if you ask me...Axl, on the other hand...I mean, seriously, if the point youre attempting to make is that Slash changed somehow, then its a terrible one.  Explain exactly what you mean when you ask me to compare the "Roxy era" Slash to the one 3 years later.  Ive heard a lot of negative opinions about Slash on these forums, but last thing somebody can point out is how much Slash has changed.  I thought theargument against him was his reluctance to change?  Maybe you can clarify?


 :confused:

Another awful premise.  So its only okay to collaborate with people youve publicly cited as influences?  And how does Axls inspiration for Elton change what is essentially your argument - image?  Youre saying that theres something wrong with Slash - the guitarist of the most dangerous band in the world - collaborating with the likes of Michael Jackson.  The singer of that dangerous band does duets with the flamboyantly gay piano-pop icon...but thats okay, because Axl stated that he likes Elton John in interviews...or is it just because hes Axl?  Be honest.  If youre going to carry on with such a stupid opinion, thats fine, but at least be consistent with it.

Thats just pointing out the inconsistency of your opinion.  The stupidity of the actual opinion comes down to you questioning Slashs motive for collaborating.  You defend Axls collaborations with decidedly un-dangerous acts like Elton John based on the Axls inspiration for John.  So youre saying it would be okay if Slash had listed Jackson as an influence in interviews (much like Buckethead?), right?  First it was an embarassment because he wasnt playing with dangerous artists...then I reminded you that Axl had done the same...now youve come fresh off the drawing board with "Slash is only doing for exposure".  Indecisive?

To kill that argument, I could point you to plenty of articles where Slash has plainly said that he enjoys playing music with many different people.  Thats his inspiration.  He genuinely loves working with lots of musicians, whether he knows them or not.  Axl made Buckethead a part of his band.  Why?  Because he enjoys the guy.  But you mean he never said in an interview that he was a lifelong inspiration?   ::)  Its such a stupid argument, and you backed it up so poorly.

Beyond that, Michael Jackson is a musical legend and the biggest superstar in the world (at least at the time).  Why wouldnt he play with him?  Theres very few people who havent been inspired by Jackson in some way, and theres just as few that wouldnt absolutely jump at an opportunity to work with him.  You dont think Buckethead wouldnt?  

The point i was trying to make irt Slash of the Roxy era was at the time when they were playing gigs like that he was the quiet mysterious type with his hair hidding his face and all he had an aura of unknown or unpredictiable, IMO that all went away when he started with all the colaborations.. then people just saw him as a nice guy... while i know he is a nice and humble guy, doing those colaborations was certanly a FAR cry from what people thought of him and of the band Guns n Roses, People would say "what the fuck is he doing playing with Michael Jackson?"  I will state that looking back in hindsight its no big deal now, BUT AT THE TIME it came as a big shock to the majority of Guns n Roses Fans that I knew, That we was playing with those type of artists considered to be of the lighter genre. So thats why i concluded that he MIGHT have played with those type of artists for the money or the exposure.. not coz it was something he really gave a fuck about, So alot of the ORIGINAL,  HARD ROCK, ANTICONFORMIST, FUCK THE WORLD,  fans saw this as changing to something he was not and he lost respect for it,(again from some fans)



I will say that yes first and foremost since i heard the band for the 1st time in 87-88 I WAS and continue to be a fan of AXL ROSE first and foremost, I always have been, IF i had thought SLASH was the one i wanted to watch i would be at the velvet revolver forums.. But By the time Axl had done his duet with Elton John, Guns n Roses were already bigger than life and the "aura of mysterious" was not as prevelant.. they were no longer street cretins living off strippers, doing blow, and sleeping where their head lies.. They had money, houses, girl friends, gold records,  Does that make it ok for Axl to sing with Elton the fag?? coz they have success?? who am i to say who they play with, I will say that Success DEFENETLY changed that band ... They started to work with the artists of the lighter genres and hip hop acts, and sure why not? they were given the chance. They did loose some street cred when they started this.. but again i say thats due to the Success that they acheeved... its happend to many bands, before them and after them...  



Ok in 1986 if you walked up to Slash at the Rainbow bar and grill and asked the man "Hey dude, how would you like to play on Michael Jacksons next record?"

Ill bet my Tits you would have gotten a different answer than you would have in 1991/92



come on man....


I cant say about Buckethead... That guy will play with anyone, .. although i will admit I had NEVER heard of him untill Axl brought him along... but it seems to me the more ive tried to learn about the guy in the 4 years hes been with the band he will play with just about anyone...which is cool by me... Slash can play with anyone he wants to as well and i will not have anymore or less respect for the man, We know who he is now and hes no longer living in the streets, doing blow, living off strippers,  He is a successfull and talented professional now...  and I would hate to see him or any of them still live that lifestyle... No matter what if you support a band that starts like that when they gain success (that you gave them by supporting them) some fans will say they "Sold out" and "lost respect" ... its a win/lose situation... for alot of guns n roses fans those compalations were that turning point.....

again i maybe tend to see things from the Axl Rose point of view because i was and will always be an Axl Rose fan,  If im wrong please point it out to me... I hate to be wrong about anything regarding this band ive followed for sooo fucking long..... :peace:  

There is something called 'artist integrity'

Richard demonstrates again he will work for any one as long as the cheque clears.

Put this another way, if Axl turned up with Britney Spears and did some pop song u would be appaled, this is no different.

None of us know anything about Richard.  There is no connection.  He is just a hired guitar player and we don't really know much about his role in the band.  All the music was written before he even came anyway.  I just don't get how someone could bitch and complain about this guy jamming with ANYONE.  It isn't like he is this hard rocker type that has come out and declared it.  We don't know his opinions.  We know nothing.  Shut the fuck up.

Jimmy Page sucks? hahaha - no.

Why do you think Eddie Van Halen & Slash were ASKED to play with MJ?  Because they can "play the guitar well"  as you crassly put it.  DUH!   Obviously we're talking respect in terms of their profession - guitarist.   ::)

Speaking of that, how much respect do you have for a lead singer who cant bother to show up to his own concerts?  You might have to remove your rose-colored glasses to answer that one.

"Elton John the fag"??
You're making an argument for Axl and then you turn around and insult the guy he worked with?  How retarded is that?  

"Buckethead will work with anyone"?  You mean someone like Axl Rose right?   :confused:

You've shown your true colors.  You've insulted 3 different musicians because you cant make any postive arguments about the subject of this thread - Fortus.  So intead you're forced to make stupid remarks about Slash.

i think it is totaly fucked up... the whole nsync and enrique think is something i'll never mention for anyone... those are artist i think suck and they're an embaresment for the whole fucking music industry...

I personally dont think its that big of a deal. Sure I think Enrique has no talent and his music is horrible but Richard needs to make a decent living, and he aint making much in GnR land. Does anyone outside of this board even know who Richard Fortus really is, or that he's a Guns N' Roses bandmemeber? ???

I dont care why they played with Wako... Wako sucks ass and so does Van Halen...


How many concerts has he never "bothered to show up for"
I cant count one... unless your going to pull the Phily concert but you dont know anymore about that than i do.. so your assumtion is mute.. I have tons of respect for the man...



I dont see anything retarded with that.. i wasnt making any argument for Axl or Elton.. I was refering to  one of the compalations that Guns n Roses did... it was neither for or against Elton John..


no i mean like Les Claypool, Snoop Dog, Elijah Wood, Primus, Bootsy Collins, Various Funk Artists, etc, etc, etc,... The argument was Buckethead has ALWAYS been playing with various artists since he gained his success..  Slash on the other hand, had not....  Re read it ...


Who did i inuslt?

1. Van Halen?? yes coz i dont care about Van Halens music or him... His music is shit, His stage presence is shit, He is shit to me.. I dont give 2 shits about Van halen... enough about van halen ... take it to the Van halen board...  

2. Elton the fag? He is a fag.. admitted, ... and i was not insulting him... I was refering to him. In fact i have alot of the mans CD's and have seen him in concert..

3. Slash?? you quote and show me ONE, JUST ONE insult i have posted of SLASH... You cant... Coz i didnt.. Im calling you out here.. quote one insult of slash that i posted.....



No dipshit the subject myself and Booker were talking about intelligently was the effect of Compalations with lighter genre acts and how they affect the publics perception of Guns n Roses..  I made no "stupid remarks about slash" I said he lost respect by doing compilations with Wako and Blackstreet... I backed it up with why i thought that in my previous post.. so my suggestion to you is to re read the the entire thread and then come back when you have something intelligent to say..

I missed it when did you say he was touring with this guy?  He was playing with Dizzy last night.

How can you be so fucking hypocritical?  

Read your own posts in this thread.  You laugh at Slash for playing with some artist you dont admire - just because you dont respect him for that, doesnt mean others dont.  

Oh, and calling someone a fag is an insult, "dipshit".  Why dont you ask the mods if you dont believe me.

You obviously dont know your GNR history if you think Axl failed to show up to only 1 concert...  But instead of finding out the truth, you'd rather just insult more people.

Hi everybody, unlike most of you haters, I am an actual musician making money with my talent while I am in school. I am not superstar like Slash, but I can tell you this:

Working on different stuff is really really really fun, and it keeps you fresh. I am a classical and hard rock player, those are the two genres that are my areas of expertise. However, I am currently working with a trip hop artist, a U2 type band, a death metal outfit, and some other projects that are outside my area of musical interest.

All you guys think about is a person like Slash maintaining his image, so that your idol, or at least a person you admire, isn't tarnished in your view. He does it for himself, because working with other artists is a lot of fun. In addition, a lot of these projects are done as favours. As Guns climbed the ladder to international fame, they were done a lot of favours, and those have to often be returned.

Look at slash or page or anyone else when they are playing with an artist outside their genre, they are always having fun. What do they say about their collaborations afterward? "It was a lot of fun".

Don't criticize something you'll never understand, they are artists so allow them to create. The day someone completely pigeon holes themselves into one single genre because a bunch of die hard fans want it that way, then it's sad.

how so?

no i wasnt laughing at slash.. i was laughing at someone who says he never lost respect for playing with them.

hahaha are you serious??


I asked you to name a date.. NAME ONE DATE!!!

again who did i insult besides Van Halen? I called you out two times... back em up with facts... Dates for Concerts and Slash insults... thats what u reply with?? phhhhhhfffff weak...

there is a huge fuckin difference that u fuckers arent seeing

slash played with micheal jackson who is a fuckin legend

axl dueted with elton john who is a fucking legend

these were guest appearances joining the forces of two musical icons

richard is being a touring guitarist for pop acts! god damn it this is guns n roses!!!!! u cant play guitar with nsync and enrique on tour and then be in guns n roses, but fortus is a hired player in my opinion he isnt actually guns nroses to me cant be never will be

slash played after making a name for himself as one of the greatest guitarists ever, his image is secure cause he has created some of the greatest fuckin solos and riffs in rock n roll history, fortus on the other hand has done nothing but play with pussy acts and make GNR Look gay as fuck for still having him

fire fortus now! thats my petition!

so no it isnt ok to make a living, if u are in a band u should be in that band, ive said it as long as ive been on the board, tommy,bucket,robin, whoever whoever should remain guns n roses not off doing this and that, if they dont like axl's slow schedule than quit!

before u fuckers try to hit me with the duff and slash solo record arguments they already released 4 multiplatinum hugely successful cds and one lackluster TSI so they were on a vacation and a break which is 100 percent ok to do other shit

but the new band hasnt done anything to warrant doing side projects when the main project isnt goin anywhere

they are hired guns all of em, none of them have a say, cause if they had a say it wouldnt be the Axl Rose timetable it would be a cummulative effort, and its obviously not!

You're saying being in GN'R should be like being in prison?


Maybe that's the reason they are doing sideprojects?

Oh, and most of the guys in today's GN'R are already established. They don't have to get established by GN'R selling records. People want to hire Richard to play guitar for them, they don't care if he's in GN'R or not.


/jarmo

Just one kockstar?  Awww, it's too difficult to choose, but I'll have to go with my favorite one.

Summer of 1991 - GNR is supposed to play in Oslo (do you know where that is?), but Axl is too busy blowdrying his hair in another country.  The concert is cancelled. Like Philly, no explanation offered.   You want to talk about losing respect in his profession?  It is highly unprofessional to offer neither an apology or an explanation.  And who could forget his idiotic antics in Montreal?  But you only asked for one...
You might claim that Slash lost respect by doing what he does best -  playing the guitar.  But our favorite redhead has lost boatloads of respect for his unprofessionalism.

if axl gave the other band members something to bloody well do, then they wouldnt have to do these side projects....

Stinson tours, fortus has to do session work to keep food on the table, dizzy plays with his little pathetic bands...

they have no choice man. They have to do it to live and to stay interested in music... they havent been given anything to do in a long time so I sympathize with their side projects.

Amen.

I was reading this thread and I thought there was no chance of actually reading anything with any insight or intelligence but it's good to see some people have a clue.

Thank you Pviljoen

You're first point is debateable to say the least..

As for the manlove direction of your post, one might question someone's fixation on a certain GNR third guitarist...  : ok:

Well...A guy's gotta eat.

I'd hardly say that Slash in the Mastercard ad was more then a cash grabbing act in an attempt to "pay the bills".

Nice point... I forgot about that....