Here Today... Gone To Hell!

CONFIRMED :yes:

I wouldn't go see his shitty has-been band for free at this point. His career is hanging on by a thread and this how he repays GNR fans loyalty?

I know he has a drug habbit, but it time to GROW UP STEVEN!!  Slash,Duff,Izzy, and Axl did it - why can't you?

Now I know why they kicked him out... :-\

http://www.metalsludge.tv/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1149&Itemid=42

So now he's asking to join a tribute band.? He had a chance with Adler's Appetite 1, he had a chance with Adler's Appetite 2, and he through them away.

In my eyes he has been eversince he was jailed for beating a woman.
Many musicians used drugs (nor only in GNR) and that is their thing,   but some people are either ok nd some are pathetic.
Drugs users or not.

You can take the junkie away from the drugs, but the junkie will go find them. I only feel bad for the poor fuckers that believed in him and were let down.

Yeah, like all of us.... :-\

well, I hope he gets better soon for his sake.

I would say its more like non existent

He is not a looser, he's simply a person who is gripped by drugs, it happends to thousands. A shame really. One thing is for sure, it makes alot of sense why Gn'R needed to hire a new drummer, it was the reality they as a band they were faced with. Its good to hear that Steven has someone else look after his cash he has coming from his stint in Gn'R, as given time i'm sure he will kick his habit and thank those around him that have not allowed him to scwander all his cash away.

Sure there are lots of junkies, but Adler not just any dope addict off the street. He's an ex-GN'R member and surely can make it in the industry, if he just tries to get his shit together. I think it's time for Adler to retire.  :no:

If he hasnt been able to kick his habbit in 20 years, what makes you think he has any chance of kicking it now?  ::)

If he hasnt been able to kick his habbit in 20 years, what makes you think he has any chance of kicking it now?? ::)

I agree with you on that.He really needs to get his shit together and stop acting like he's rock star,I mean,some of the other most of the other GN'R member were also doing drugs back in the day,but they quit and so can Steven if he really wants to,but to be honest it seems to me like he wants to party all of the time like he did in the old days. :nervous:

I think it's time for Steven to seek help now!
If he is a loser I don't know, thats like calling all the drugs addicts in the world loser for not having the same problem as we do, but we only judge them because he was in GNR thats all.

this kind of news is making me grateful that the other members of GnR saw sense and chucked him out when they did - we may never have had so many Illusion tour dates in the 90's otherwise. and grateful that slash and duff and izzy made good recoveries and arent dicking their fans around with this rubbish. 
someone send the guy to rehab - it doesnt sound like he can cope with the kind of temptation that goes with being on the road.

Spegetti incident is RIGHT!!!

He's had enough time to seek help

he doesn`t have to seek help, he isn`t able to do that. he`s got a low self esteem and someone has to HELP HIM.

and i agree with the topic: adler is a loser.  i`ve to admit that i don`t even like him.... i think his groove was great in the appetite era, but apart from that he?s just an idiot who still thinks that after being out of gnr for almost 20 years he`s still a rock star. he wasn`t even back then really....  i seriously believe that the old gunners didn`t fire him without knowing that there was no other way to continue with gnr...      and i hate his emotional bursts....    one day he`s in love with someone and the next day he says that the person can suck his dick or that he hates them......  that was the case with his band..... he told metalsludge 3 days or so before they went away how he loved them etc.....    and the bassist or whatever said this, too.  i don`t remember the exact quote but ..... well  the drugs smashed him

GNRBABY, with all due respect...  "STEVEN ADLER IS A LOSER" is only your opinion, maybe you should have kept it to yourself.

ATM. Touring with Bad Obsession and reading Stevens recent interviews, regardless Stevens GN'R backround i'd say that Steven is a bitter looser.

 :-\

GNR BABY  :P

didn`t you read my post :hihi:

All he's doing is trying to ride the gravy train.. who knows maybe he needs drug money ???

rehab isn't going to do shit for Steven. i'm sure he's been to rehab at leats a dozen times in the past, only to return to old habits soon after. the only way you can quit is if you want to and right now, it dosen't seem like he really wants to. poor guy.  :no:

WarRose I just read your post and come on man, why do you know the guy has self steem or the former members of Adler's A, arent lying?

its a damn shame but Steven doesnt seem to be able to get his shit together. He needs help and his friends and family are what he needs now

I agree with you, people should understand that even though you dont care about the guy you hate and any other bad feeling you have agaisnt him, he needs his pals right now or else it will be too late.  :(

well    i`m not just guessing or whatever....  the facts are speaking against adler. he fired his first band and now his second ( after being fired from guns.....)   

and the former AA members aren`t lying. Steven is unpredictable. His answers in interviews are only one proof for that. just read his last interview......        sometimes he loves a person and the day after he hates it....... i guess his emotions really suffered from the drugs....

and do you really doubt he`s on drugs??  come  on......

i can understand that you want to defend adler because he`s a former member of gnr, but he really doesn`t deserve that anymore......   he needs serious help now.

Well WarRose  I agree with you in one thing, Steven needs support, I dont know what kind of support but he needs it...

"AP Feb 4, 2006

Written By Johnnie Walker

It has been confirmed today both by Rolling Stone and Metal Sludge magazines that infact Steven Adler (of GnR, Addler's Appetite, Mary Free Bed Clinics, and the local looser drug scene) has been confirmed in fact 100% looser and a strong 98% idiot.

This is Steven's First award since he won a certificate in 1996 for making it 48 hours without using illegal drugs. (Please note he was passed out in a coma in a hospital for the first 47 hours and 59 minutes).

When reached for comment about his recent certification Axl Rose had no comment and said he didn't know any LOOSER by the named of Steven Adler.

On the other hand, former GnR guitarist and current Velvet Revolver lead guitarist had the following comment.  I think it's good that Steven is out there doing his thing.  Whatever he chooses to do I will back him up as long as he stops calling and asking to play drums with me.

Steven Adler greatly accepted the award in London, England (where he is currently working out his 4th complete new lineup up Addler's Appetite) He said "I want to thank my loyal fans for sticking with me over all the years. They still come out and pack the mini small hole in the wall bars next to GIANT STADIUMS I once played back in the day, to hear the great songs I wrote. (at which point he broke into singing Welcome to the Jungle and playing the air drums.

"They still come out and pack the mini small hole in the wall bars next to GIANT STADIUMS I once played back in the day, to hear the great songs I wrote."

"GIANT STADIUMS" and "songs I wrote" just doesn't describe Steven Adler.
Whats next Steven, you take credit from Chinese Democracy?

in about 4 hrs ill be seeing adler in one of the "small holes" with the new "tribute to adlers appetite"
or should that be " tribute to guns n' roses" so ill let you all know if he's a loser or not  :)

wadey9, is that tattoo yours? What if they have a new logo when Chinise Democracy starts? :rofl:
though it's still cool.

Then i would probably get some more ink just like ive been doing since 88'.
you obviously didn't see my thread about G N' R tatoo' s..............nevermind!!!!  :hihi:

ok  and what about the rest?

i mean what`s your opinion about him firing his second band now?? 

mmm it's hard to say WARose,  I respect/like Steven Adler, but I dont know the exact reasons why he fired the second version of "A's A", and It's hard to say since we are only viewers or readers of what Adler of former members say...  I just hope he gets better, gets more respect from people and stop drugs, if he still does them...  : ok:

at least we agree in one point : ok:

i saw steven adler last night with his new line up..........and after spending 10 minutes speaking to the guy i have decided that steven adler is not a loser but has merely fallen under the spell of ADAM BOMB. i spoke to steven, adam bomb, and the road crews... the guys from uk guns n' roses think adler is sound and is generally a great guy.......as for adam bomb.......hmmm well!   some of the stuff the road crew told me about adler and adam is unbelievable but they told me in confidence so im keeping it to myself.
my personal opinion of adam bomb isn' t very nice....on stage he's great but off stage he's a ***** ******** *****.
   i got some goodies from steven, he signed my ticket stub and gave me a signed drum stick.
overall last nights performance was great, the band sounded raw and eager to please. they played mostly appetite songs..... uk guns n' roses normally dress up as g n' r but steven would' nt let them.

I think that everyone that calls adler a looser is very wrong. For starters, its funny to hear some people make opinions here about adler?s appetite when they haven?t even seen the band play???, its like...what are you taking about?. Its like making a critique on a book you haven?t read.
The guy has a drug habbit ok, but I can tell you first hand that they played all of appetite and some other tracks and they ruled, the sound was great and the place was packed. I also met adler backstage in Valencia, Spain and I can guarantee he is the coolest guy you can meet, really friendly and very respected by his fans.
There?s not much else I can say, you are really very mistaken. Its easy to talk shit.

A guy who has fired his entire band several times is indeed a loser .

like i said earlier i got talking to the road crew and theres more than meets the eye..

Steven Adler is a WINNER!

yeah    why didn`t you just ask steven in person?? :hihi: i`m sure he`d told you the TRUTH

and well.... it`s not only him firing his band for the second time to tour with a gnr tribute band..... he was fired by gnr....and he`s on drugs at the age of 40+  (sorry, but i don`t know how old he is......)

yeah? ? why didn`t you just ask steven in person?? :hihi: i`m sure he`d told you the TRUTH

and well.... it`s not only him firing his band for the second time to tour with a gnr tribute band..... he was fired by gnr....and he`s on drugs at the age of 40+? (sorry, but i don`t know how old he is....
i did ask him in peson and he just shrugged and smiled at me..

and he told you the truth, right? :hihi:

so, is Adam Bomb a guy or a band..?

both as far as i got it............

like Van Halen? haha

adom bomb is a guy who performs with different line ups

I dont think Adler is a loser, since he's been ableto successfully  unite  three versions of A'S A and kick ass, like only he can...

oh, so more like David Lee Roth then, haha.

so axl isn't then?

stevo has a right do defend his ego cuz it's worth a hundred times more than those other guys deserve, they should suck his dick for even letting em have a chance... sure it's hard to work with a junkie, but hey, if you can't handle it fuck off, go do something else... since when  did drugs not go together with rock n' roll anyway for gods sakes... all steven wants to do is play drums and party, let him, that for sure doesn't make him a looser.

and btw, noone on this board has been near atcieving what steven has so stop pretending you're better, you're not.

Erose -

Dude, don't do drugs before you post.  And if you knew how fucked up Steven is when he's loaded you would know why you can't work with him.  It doesn't matter what he was capable back then, what matters now is what he can do today, which is play drums with a cover band.  Yippeeeeee!!! 

Did Axl fire his entire band 2 or 3 times? didnt think so. And as for adler achieving stuff in the past, its just that in the past. What has he done in the past 15 years or so? Not much as far as I can tell.

Like Marylin Manson!

Dude save it OK, read the post you are quoting before you post you scmuck! if you'd read my post you would see that i recognize the fact that it must be really fucking hard to work with a junkie, but this band is steven adlers thing ok, just like gn'r is for axl, all he wants to do is play drums and party, do heroine or crack or whatever and fuck cheap groopies while complaining about his "friends" hitting on his wife etc. I'm just getting pissed about a bunch of ignorant message board posters who slams this guy without having personal experiences with him, calling him a looser and all kinds of shit ok, you dig? He has done alot of cool shit and is a great drummer and he has a need to fullfill his ego and drug cravings just like any other gunner, past or present.

And he played pretty good on that ep, which izzy must have thought aswell since he wanted to work with steven on some of those songs.... at least i'm not alone thinking steven can still shuffle it up.


You crack me up man, to answer your first question, yeah Axl has pretty much fired the whole band and don't believe for a second that he won't do it again if he feels like replacing someone with an axe or some sticks, or go back to the old line up... Axl has pretty much been a fucking nazi dictator ayatolla all his career and he does whatever the fuck he wants with the gn'r organization(don't get me wrong, i am one of those axl lovers, but i do recognize that he very well might be pretty difficult to work with and he should be, i also see that that comes from other idealistic reasons than lets say adler who just wants to rock and be out there), but hell axl hasn't done very much the last 15 years either as far as we know so...


i just refuse to slam adler because he does drugs and fire his band and so should you, just like you refuse to slam axl everytime som stuipid reporter gives ol' uncle a hard time for whatever reason....

Axl never fired the old band and you know it. Only Adler and Sorum were fired, the rets of the guys quit on their own. Those are facts, and please stick to that from now on. And in the last 15 years Axl has released 3 albums and went on a 2 year tour, (not to mention headlinging the biggest music festival in the world while playing for over 200,000 people in 1 night). The 3 albums being UYI, TSI and Live Era. Again what has Adler done in that time frame?

ok, if you count the illusions and it's tours plus tsi, you are right ofcourse. i didn't count that in tho, lets say the last 13 years then and my post above still stands.

live era was a compilation of old stuff, which adler is actually credited on as the drummer and there was nothing new so the time axl spend on that record can't be that much, and the time he used should have been used on new stuff instead if you ask me, whoever did the technical job compailing that record is the one who spend time on it...

the rir3 event was kind of huge when you think about the number of audience, and a really great concert imo, although with very little new stuff. It was also a festival, alot of the people there might have been there for other bands like oasis etc., you can't give axl cred for the whole of that crowd imo. like velevet played for more than 80 thousand at roskilde, most people were'nt there for VR... plus axl is the first guy asked to play those rirs because of axl relationship with the owner of the whole spectical called rock in rio...

the tour that pretty much became a joke due to poor ticket sales. riots, noshows etc, happend because gn'r is a solid name in the rock n' roll world in the first place, not as many people would have turned up for Axl Rose' solo project, almost nothing new happened anyway and it looked like it was like a weekend worth of work for axl compared to anything he has done before. i'm not to impressed, i am impressed tho of the musical work from stinson, fick, fortus, bucket, and brain. A light-guy named jimmy page who workes for the company who delivered the lights at that time even said axl got so fucked up doing coke as the tour went on that he couldn't deliver the goods, lying fucked up in nyc when he was supposed to be in philly kicking ass(take that with pinch of salt tho, but it wouldn't surprice me one bit)!

after reading what i just wrote i can see that this is going nowhere, axl is in a different league and you are prob right, axl has done more i guess working on cd etc.

suck on this tho, who's the biggest joke if cd never comes out, steven keeps playing for the fans, but axl stayes in his hole and you'would never hear from him again, other than a siting once a year?

after all steven is just a drummer and he just wants to live the life. and i think thats kind of cool. sex drugs and rock n' roll man yeah ;)

if axl's comeback is a success then it's going to be the biggest hollywood comeback ever, if he fails, huh well... he'll be laughed at by everyone except people like me, and maybe you, who love axl for what he has already given us.

the bottom line, i don't see why steven should be slamed since i can come up up with many many reasons to slam every other member of gn'r, past or present.... leave the guy alone, he deserves better.

axl only fired adler and sorum. that`s fact. and adler got fired by the whole band by the way......   ALL of the other guys left voluntarily. and after firing sorum he got the best drummer gnr ever had (well not directly.....i`m talking about brain...)    adler in contrast fired his complete band two times and is now touring with a gnr tribute band................. if you think that`s cool......it`s your opinion...   

and i highly doubt axl was on coke in NY. that`s bullshit. it isn`t even something to argue about....it`s just bullshit.....

look, i know the two situations are slightly different, but don't tell me you can't find shit on axl slash izzy or duff thats pretty pathetic, or fortus, finck etc. for that case? if you do then you are ignorant. I'm not saying steven is the coolest guy on earth, axl is imo, but you don't know him so why would you slam his ass over something someone else thinks or writes? it's just low and if you are going to continue you should also throw out the shit you feel about the others.

and how do you know the coke story isn't true, you don't. it's the same thing, when it comes to axl you don't believe it, but if there's some shit about steven you join the "lets talk shit about steven vagon".. pathetic...

and you must be out of your mind to think slash and duff left the band totaly on their own accord. open you eyes.

Erose - You are right, Steven has the right to do whatever he wants to do, but given that he also has to accept the consequences for his actions, which he does not do, he blames everyone around him.  So, until he is able to be accountable, he needs to shut the fuck up!  He was in a great band, once upon a time, now he is playing drums in a GnR cover band, not even his own band, but a GnR cover band, that's pretty rock bottom.  Can you imagine what musicians are thinking about this situation - probably nothing too nice. 

H.R.: What do you mean by "He fired me 2 or 3 times"?

Matt: (Laugh) You never heard the rumors? Yes, we all have been fired at least 1 time! You never heard about it (laugh)? [/i]

did slash or duff ever say that axl fired them??    if you find quotes stating that i`ll admit you`re right......... good luck!

slash and duff didn`t leave the band because it was that great, for sure. but they left voluntarily....i guess they couldn`t stand the situation and wanted to move on.............   

by the way  i don`t know if the coke story is true or not. but it sounds to me like some asshole talking shit about axl.....  and as far as i know (we know) axl was never addicted to drugs and changed his lifestyle into a healthy one in the recent years...       this is a metter of reliability.....  either you choose to believe someone who posts on a forum (or whereever....) and claims to know why axl didn`t show up in philly ( it?s really easy to do so, without having axl out there to defend himself.........), or you choose to believe various people, who are/were in contact with steven and all say the exact same thing, don`t ignore the facts and actually read steven`s interviews that proove how fucked up that guy is.....


and well  there is shit to find about axl and the other members.....(it might be shit, but it`s not pathetic....) but this thread is about steven....   slash and duff had serious drug problems, but they made it......  steven not.....   and noone can tell me that what steven is doing right now is cool or anything near to that......he`s playing with a fuckin tribute band to end his tour....    and erose, do you remember that there was an album to be released this year by adler`s appetite??   is he going to release it with this cover band now?


and you think i`m pathetic, because i "talk shit" about steven?  i clearly stated that i really want him to get helped, but that he alone is responsible for the situation in which he happens to be.....  there is a choice everyone has to make: either you don`t take drugs, or you take them, but you have to hazard the consequences......  steven decided wrong.

i think it's pathetic to talk shit about anyone, especially the drummer on your favorite album(s). if you don't like the guy, don't bother spaming the board with more shit. i must say that that is not only pointed at you but at all the the haters. and i agree, i really want him to get help aswell, but only if he wants it himself.

an opinion is appreciated ofcourse tho, negative or positive.

i can see why you think it might be rock bottom for steven to be drumming with a gn'r tribute band, but hey, people might say and think it's pretty rock bottom for axl to be playing and touring with a cover band under the gn'r name as well you know.

plus, the adler's appetite ep was pretty cool, and the guy can still drum, even tho he's not drumming at same level that he once did...

can axl still sing? :hihi:

i`m spamming the board with shit??  are you serious?? :no:  i shouldn`t bother replying to this kind of insults.........

and to your points......  i don`t want to start a discussion about the new band now..... but as i said...it?s a new band.. for the 2002 tour they were mainly a cover band, i agree with you on that, but they played new songs and the tour was  a kind of farewell to the old stuff. (axl said that)  and what`s so bad about steven?s situation is not that he?s playing with a gnr tribute band....but that he fired his band two times before.....

i suggest you to respond to my points, too and not to come up with stupid insults....     and there?s a difference about talking shit or actually talking my opinion of what`s going on......  as i said before....  you can ignore that facts if you want to....          but if the only source for your version is steven adler, a guy who usually blames other people for his mistakes,  you should stop the discussion now.....

i'm not ignoring any facts wtf??, and i'm certanly not insulting you in any way, i'm just questioning your narrow minded view on adler which comes out pretty black and white imo. and i didn't mean that you spam the board on a regular basis, but when you talk shit about steven adler without knowing all the details and knowing him personally, it's spam, just like the original post in this thread etc.. it's not like he tries to hide the fact that he still gets high so whats your point?

steven has every right to fire his band, it's his band for gods sake. and that tribute band is just a temporary replacement band so that he can fullfill some of the dates that are already booked, why, because he wants to play drumms and because he can!

if they guys couldn't handle an unpredicable guy then they are better off without him. and you know steven is the only rock star in that band.

dude you could keeping replying shit but steven is still a loser...

I agree completely with my norwegian comrade erose here!

@ erose:    yeah  if you say adler is able to lead a band or even to handle his personal life in regards of drugs, you`re ignoring the facts. he beats women up and fired the second version of his band within some months. his former bandmates told what`s going on and you don`t believe them, because steven "popcorn" adler doesn`t make any mistakes and the whole evil world wants to harm him. yeah it`s cool that he might has even fun with this life, but there`s no doubt he`s fucked up. every person at the age of 40+ who lights a joint as the first action of each day is fucked up. and steven even takes hard drugs....

and if spam is what you consider it to be, 96% of the posts on this forum are spam, since most discussions are based on things we don`t know the details about.

i`m not talking shit, i`m expressing my opinion by the way. 



doesn`t it strike you that steven always blames the others and the others blame him?

Steven a loser? I dont think so, as I said before, he has successfully unite three versions of Adler's Apettite dudes...

Erose -

FYI - I do have personal knowledge with Steven, as you put it.  He is, once again, mired in his own crap and he does not care who he hurts just so long as he gets to do what he wants, which right now appears to be drugs.    So, I think it is great that you feel the need to defend him, but unless you have personal knowledge of him, maybe you should stop defending him?  His drug addiction rules him.  He hooked up with this Adam Bomb character (whoever that is) and he is hellbent on his own destruction via chasing the dragon - I have seen him do this before and it is really ugly and even sadder. 

Again, i know steven has a bad habbit, but he can obviousely lead a band on stage, that he has proven many many times over the last period of his life, just because he fucked up one of the last gig with the last AA lineup doesn't qualify for a loser, many rockers aren't always able to pull it together every single time they have a date as i'm sure you already know. Many rock stars does have habbits and i believe that Axl, slash, duff, izzy, matt still gets gets high or whatever when ever they feel like it, maybe not to the extent as steven, but hey they still do drugs. So i'm not ignoring any facts, he does make mistakes, but that can be said about everyone.



true, but most of the discussions and threads aren't as narrowminded as this one, this is a thread that never should have been in the first place. Try starting an "Axl is a loser" thread in the gn'r section(i'm sure you can agree to the fact that many people on this very board thinks just that) and i'm sure it would have been locked and deleted fairly quickly, don't you think?


lately you have and i appreciate it, but when you first posted in this thread all you did was to throw shit at steven adler, you totaly picked a side without beeing objective to the fact that there are two sides of the story. If you choose to believe a buch of mediocre musicians who just got fired from their band well fine, i personally believe that there is more to the story than so.


exactly my point, there's two sides of the story. why not discuss it and measure'em up against each other instead blindly taking a side and slam the other.

Steven say that he loves the gang one day, and hates'em the next. To me that makes perfect sence, you could be loved by your girlfriend on a friday, but when saturday comes and she finds out that you've been fucking around all of a sudden she hates you.


pointles shitty reply... doesn't add jack shit to the thread. i mean who's the fucking loser lol?? :rofl:


not so shitty reply, although it doesn't add much to the topic it's obvious that he has read the discussion and takes a stand without insulting anyone.  : ok:

i don't have personal knowledge of steven, although i'd like to, and i do think it's sad that he has that awful habbit, BUT IT DOESN'T QUALITY HIM AS A LOSER, he can still drum, and he travels the world playing sold out clubs. I think thats pretty good for a drummer who got stabbed in the back by his best friends and band mates 16 years ago, if that would have happend to i would have killed myself.

He hasn't successfully united anything considering those guys dont want anything to do with him and some of them are even taking legal action. How is that uniting anything?

Im tired of trying to talk sense into these Adler haters, so I just thought I'd do it the easy way this time. :hihi:

uniting in court?
like Axl, Duff & Slash. haha

Say what you want about Steven Adler and his band, but he's been getting some attention lately and all for the wrong reasons.

The guy was gone from the music business for most of the 1990s and then came back with a new band. I thought he had finally got things right. Then he starts firing people and people quit his band. He fires his band on tour in Europe and starts playing with GN'R tribute bands.

A few weeks ago they all sounded very excited about the tour and writing a new album. Now there's no band. How can you expect people to take his band seriously after this?

I expect you to point out how nobody takes Axl or his band seriously either now.  ::)




/jarmo

I would just like to point out that no-one takes Axl or his band Seriously now

i agree with your post on steven like i have stated several times now and i don't expect anyone to take anything seriousely in the gn'r world, but it's just plain pathetic to start throwing meaningless shit out there about a guy that obviousely have some serious problems ok.

what i find strange is that you obviousely think it is ok for members on this board to bash the guy with all they got, and it's not ok for people to bash axl, or slash, what kind of double moral standard is that?

If you think the Steven bashing is as bad as the Axl bashing has been in the past, you haven't been here that long.

At this point it seems like Steven has managed to alienate many of his fans.




/jarmo

well   i talk about the negative things steven is doing as there isn`t anything positive right now to talk about. if you consider that bashing or talking shit, it`s your opinion.......  he has serious problems....yeah..... and i only offered my opinion about those......   calling someone a loser is subjective.......and imo he is one. he might think that he`s no loser.....( you of course, too....)  and if he`s happy with his current life, i`m fine with it....   but from a rational point of view he is one.

and well   it`s different with axl...... i know that lots of people consider this new band a joke ( actually less than you might think, since i never heard anything bad in the medias for a long time now and most people don`t even no about the new version of gnr....), but i don?t think it is......   nor axl is.....    he`s just doing what he wants and that doesn`t work for some people....he`s rich enough to live well for the rest of his life without releasing CD, you should consider that...... he just doesn`t have any pressure....   and he`s working/worked with some of the most talented people out there right now and not with some gnr tribute band from england....       by the way calling me a hater isn`t right. i`d loved to listen to some new music from steve and see him doing well, but instead of that he fucked up again.....


the point is: if you choose to believe steven and not his former band mates (including former gnr bandmates...) it`s your decision. but even steven himself admitted that he had drug problems even 12 years after quitting gnr, what means he still has them now......by the way if he was a junkie at one point, he will always be.  of course slash and duff, too, but they don`t take hard drugs these days....        and everything is pointing against him.....women say he beat them up, former bandmembers tell that adam bomb fucked him up again and he`s unpredictable now, he fired two versions of his band within some months....etc......  you just can`t interpret all this things to adler`s benefit....

 i understand that the title of this topic is an insult to people, who still believe in adler.  time will tell if you`re right, but i wouldn`t be surprised if he was found dead by an overdose...


yeah i`m one of them...........  not that i was ever a big fan of him, but he was gnr?s original drummer so i always had respect for him and his drumming in the early gnr days was great : ok:

i have been here here like three years and thats long enough to have seen alot of axl bashing, alot of slash bashing, alot of axl vs. slash shit and alot of vr vs. gnr shit etc. etc. but it's never been ok to do so. ?I can also see that some of adlers fans have been alionated over the years, especially over the last few months, due to the conflict with the two AA lineups and the fact that he's actually playing with a gn'r cover band suplied by the 20 q's and answers from steven and various statements by former AA members.. Does this tho make it ok to bash adler? If so i don't have a case so to say...

It is not ok on this board to whine about the gn'r situation, and it's not ok on this board to bash axl so why is it ok to bash anyone else? like steven adler i.e. I'm sure it wouldn't be ok to start an "Axl is a loser" thread in the gn'r section so my question is: why is ok to bash steven, and why is it ok to start a "steven is a loser" thread?

I can also understand that mods take more control over the gn'r section since it is the most important one, but shouldn't all the sections of this board be moderated with the same rules and standards?



totaly agree!

 : ok:   we have different opinions..........and we`ll see what he`s doing in the future

yup, can't do nothing but to wish the guy good luck! :peace:

Steven doesnt have as many fans as Axl to alienate.? Besides the fact Axl might be a semi recluse but he doesnt go out and make an ass of himself like Steven.? Just looking at what Steven has and lost and gained and lost I can't think of a single thing he is doing now that doesn't make him a looser.? Can anyone come up with a valid reason or two....


We could end this discuss very simply with a simple poll, i bet 80% of people will think Steven is a looser

But making fun of Steven Adler is fun..

If you don't complain about GN'R or talk about the band members there isn't a need for this board at all. That's all there is to do.
It's okay to complain about Steven because a lot of fans were hurt by his actions and a junkie who can't get off the stuff with celebrity-calibur help IS a loser. Truth hurts, buddy.

Truth indeed hurt but saying someone is a looser is not true at all, It's like saying everyone that claims that Adler is a loser are loosers too just for the fact that those people dont even have a grain of intelligence to notice when some person really need help and yet they try to destroy him.
But hey!, who can say isnt a loser at all if you are complaining for someone you dont care?

to bad you you don't think the same about making fun of axl... ::)


complain about whatever the fuck you want, but it's still rediculus to bash people left and right...


brilliant post.

all who say that steven is a loser is the real losers hehe

   why that??

sorry it was a joke. :-X

didn't your mama every tell you someting along the line of: "those who call other people losers are the real losers"? :hihi:

yeah she did   .........but actually it`s a lie :hihi:

Actually my momma told me Steven Adler was a looser and told me to stay away from him. I was banned growing up from listening to anything pre- Illusions, and the song Civil War

 :rofl:

your mum is great ha ha!!

i would tell my upcomming baby the same tho... :P

Can someone explain to me how Steven Adler is not a loser?

What makes a loser a loser? Losing, of course. He was in one of the biggest rock n roll bands of all time. HE LOST IT. He got a little recognition with the first Adler's Appetite;  HE LOST IT. He bounced back and got together another band, the second Adler's Appetite, a third chance at stardom, and...survey says...HE LOST IT. Perhaps the hardest thing he has done was becoming sober. And, guess what, HE LOST THAT TOO.

Sounds like a loser to me.

Well, with your thinking just about anyone could be a "LOSER". You only picked the negative things he has done.

The point is everything postive he has done he has lost or reversed. Everything he has ever done has gotten him to a point where he plays with a crappy cover band.

who are you? :hihi:

I'm Matt Sorum.

well fuck off then!  :hihi:

i think its about time you guys stopped bashing adler. we've been there done that, we all know the guy has problems and he hasnt said or done the best things recently. But ffs leave him alone. Its 1 set of rules for ppl slagging off axl (im not one of them) and another set for ppl slagging off steve. At the end of the day, all the people who have met steve on this uk tour (me included) have realised that at heart he is a genuinley good guy, unfortunatley other ppls bad influences rub off on him. Steve is out there touring ad the gigs are enjoyable. Stop this Anti adler shit now

Steven only has a "heart of gold" until you get to really know him - then things change quickly for the worse.  He has proven once again that he is a drug addict, nothing more, nothing less and he does what he wants for himself with aboslutely no concern for how his actions impact his wife, family, bandmates and friends.  So, given his horrible actions, bashing seems more than appropriate.   :hihi:

Don't screw with me. I'll plant drugs in your apartment and take your job, while you go work in some knock-off wannabe company. I've done it before.

Unless you are a fan going to buy him his next hit

OR an old rock star he can use to better himself he doesnt want shit to do with you.

And once you want him to get serious he fires your Ass because he's Steven "Fucking Popcorn" Adler the greatest drummer to ever play...... ....... in Guns N Roses in their heyday... Wait he would be their second best drummer to play with them back in the day and fourth best if you want to count Freeze and Brain.

all who say that steven is a loser is the real losers hehe

IS we? :hihi:

Given his recent hiring and dumping of AA 2.0, the hiring and ditching of GnR UK, and his rumors of falling back into drugs it leads to asking yourself do you think Steven Adler is a down and right looser. YES OR NO?




YES, his recent actions speak louder then anything else to me, he was talking for months and months about making a new record with his band and putting out their own music, then he fires all the members of Adlers 1.0 and the replacements 2.0 in the middle of a tour.? He thinks of no one else besides his own getting high. HE IS A LOOSER

Adlers Appetite is a GAY concept. He made one full album and an EP w/ GNR. He can't join a real band? I thought he was a great drummer, so why isn't he in a real band instead of a cover band?

He should be in a original band, To be in a cover band is just humiliating for someone like him. He can do it as a side project once in an original band.

Thats a great point. Most bands probably dont want to take a chance on him. For obvious reasons, he is considered "unreliable". :hihi:

no it isn't.

fuck, I could say the same about Axl. if he's a such a great singer/songwriter or whatever, why was he in a cover band in 2002 (he and his band playing nothing but old GNR songs), and why hasn't he released any material?

just because you're in a cover band doesnt mean you're not a great talent.? on the flip side, just because you're in a "real" band doesnt mean you are a great talent (look at Matt Sorum for jebe sakes).

Hey, I AM a great talent. And your Axl argument, not that great, because he was playing songs he wrote with credible musicians while working on original material.

bullshit, at any given time during Axl's 2002 tour, only FOUR of the 22 songs in the set were "original".? the rest were shitty covers of GNR songs.? hell, Adler's Appetite also added new songs into their set once the EP was released.


credible musicians, that;s a laugh.  half the people who cowrote the songs disppeared from the band (such as Paul huge), and one guy had to build a chicken coop in the studio so he could play properly.  credible musicians.  :hihi:


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!? Yeah, that original material, that double, triple, catruple platinum album he's released?? Go Axl!? ?:hihi:

Adler's not a loser he just needs help,You'd be fucked up if you got kicked out of the one of the greatest bands in the world.    By the way here is one of my favorite quotes of all time "you know they?re fucking full of SHIT! Cause I?m not the only person who ever walked down the street and smoked a joint at 12, 13 years old, smoked a joint with someone and all of a sudden I?m getting a blow job from the guy."

I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. Ready? When Axl was playing so-called "shitty covers of GN'R songs" he WAS playing songs he wrote. By credible musicians, you got a point, but some of the guys in the band were credible (i.e. Buckethead). And just because Axl can't seem to make original material doesn't mean he wasn't working on it.

so did steven for gods sake, who do you think wrote the drum parts for the songs he's playing?? :confused:

He didn't come up with the idea of the songs, or write anything major. A drum part?! A rock drummer says, "me hit symbol lots, me hit snare 2 and 4" Wow, that's genious.

fuck off.  Axl didnt write shit on some of those songs.  Duff and West Arkeen are largely responsible for "It's So Easy", Izzy wrote "Think About You" and "Patience", all three of which Axl and his cover band -- let me repeat that so your communist brain can understand -- AXL'S COVER BAND played during their failed 2002 tour.  Steven's band contains one fouding and cowriting member of those songs, so does Axl's.  None of Axl's contributed jack shit in the way of writing those songs, so COVER BAND.

Dont wanna offend anyone... but YES I agree with Bridge,  NEW GNR is a fucking cover band...

Axl Rose is an Icon, a modern rock legend. He has every right to play his songs as he wrote them and owns the GNR name. Dizzy Reed is still in GNR and he was a member of the OG (illusion era) GNR.  Axl had a hand in writing/producing almost every song GNR has recorded - It's not the same as what Adler is doing. The GNR band members slowly changed around him. BTW he has a recording contract with Geffen, a major label, what does Adler have? Most of the new GNR members have also been under contract with major lables and are not the "second tear" players Adler has in his cover band, which only serves the purpose of exploiting his past for quick $$$$$$ = loser :yes:

steven didnt write one note on any of those songs buddy so please get your facts straight.

Drummers are replaceable, and no one says UYI gn'r wasn't gn'r because Adler wasn't in it. But had Axl not been there, it wouldn't have been guns. That's why VR isn't considered guns n roses - axl because Axl is a key ingredient in guns n roses. He has a right to what he wrote and what he was/is. Adler was/is an expendable junkie drummer.

Axl is an icon who uses old gnr songs, if he got the balls, he would do it like Slash, and Duff, starting all over again... without the name.

quit quoting Axl's decade old lies and come up with your own goddamn criticism.



No they're not, and because you think they are, you don't know jack shit about music and thus your opinions are meaningless.


open your blind ass communist eyes.? many people say UYI era wasn't GNR.



god you're a fuckstick.? Vr isn't Guns N Roses for the same fucking reason Slash's Snakepit wasn't Guns N Roses -- because they're NOT Guns N Roses!? That's why!


you were right the first time...what Axl was.? what he is is a washed up has-been who insults his own legacy with his shitty ass cover band.



absolutely correct...nothing further needs to be said.? Axl is so damn gutless he has to hide behind the GNR name to convince people he's still worth something, and even then, he's failed miserably.? Axl can't even blame Adler (a quintessential GNR scapegoat) for all the disasters he caused during his 2002 "Chinese Democracy starts now" tour.

Well done, Bridge. Excellent argument. Totally wrong, but you argued very well. Hey, I know about music. I'm an actual musician in-the-making. In that view, a good drummer is necesarry but if you're as big as guns you get to pick out of a barrel full of talented drummers. They did, and the Sorum switch didn't lose guns any fans.

Possibly only some Adler's relatives...   :hihi:

Now Adler, was one thing, you had Slash, and Duff, and even Izzy in that time, now you only have Axl...

He is a loser now and he is just trying to ride the coattails of the Guns N' Roses Gravy Train.... :yes:

Axl has started over again. But unlike YOU he isn't a moron. He would be a moron to drop the GNR name and why should he? Just like Gilmour and Wright touring and recording w/o Waters...Pays the bills dog, you'll understand that when you grow up ;D

Do you.. want to be banned?

mmmm GNR "BABY"?  and Ill understand when I grow up...  :P

http://www.metalsludge.tv/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1182&Itemid=42


check the bottom page pics!!! damned if those are real...

they're not..

Good!  Glad to hear that!

Only two are not real, the drug related ones, the rest, well, if you know Stevie . . .  :o

I think the ones where it looks like Steve is getting a BJ is a joke, but also authentic.

Of course it was real I was there, I will validate for the last two. You can kinda see me in the picture.... but I do not want to get into that.

who said thy were fake anyway??? proof proof???

You can find the drug-pic by searching google images for "junkie needle".

(http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:9xkZKekA8q_2nM:www.astro.univie.ac.at/~exgalak)

And as for the Steven&Adam-pic, the real one is in www.2starsphoto.com
No Adam there.

(http://www.2starsphoto.com/images/S_Adler1.jpg)

Anyone ever notice how much Adler looks like Robert Plant?


Ok, so the pics are obviously fake, but given his recent interview ith MS, you gotta admit, that is a pretty funny photoshop of the hummer.   but he did just admit to smoking crack on his metal sludge interview.  That pretty much tells you that he is not totally clean and probably never will be. Last I heard crack was pretty addicting, and in most cases when a junkie is clean they will smoke pot or whatever, but not go back to hard shit.   Knowing that, it is not all that hard to believe that he is back to his old ways.  If he is I hope he gets help. 

i'm glad the pics are fake, fuck the one who made'em tho, i fell for them...

Yeah, he does look some like Robert Plant.

He's quite hairy for a blonde.

I'm so happy to hear they are fake!  :yes:

I am so sick of everybody slagging Steven, if he is such a loser, what are all of you?
, when was the last time you recorded one of the greatest rock records of all time (AFD). It may be almost 20 years ago, but I think he still has all of you beat. Makes you put your lives into perspective doesn't it.

Don't be so quick to Judge, take a look in the mirror instead

He has made some mistakes.. but I think he's genuinely a good guy. And Izzy talks/sees him alot and I think if Adler was such a loser and fuck up there wouldn't be any contact between them.. the drumming on the EP prooves he still has got the groove and can play drums...

Sure Steven is great. It's his refusal to learn from his mistakes, that pisses people off. Being an ex-GN'R member and also recording on AFD IMO, leaves u with some responsibility. You don't just throw all that away. IMO all the people who say 'Steven is a loser' wouldn't make the mistakes he did, given the opportunity that he was given.

P.S: No we aren't as good as Steven. But that's not the point...

That's hard to judge cause we where never in his position and didn't got the opportunity.. it's easy to say something afterwards and as an outsider from a distance.

Sure he made some mistakes, drugs related and all that crap and he's na?ve, but some people are eager to slag him off on every little thing. Imagine a thread in the main GN'R section saying "Axl is a loser", I doubt it'll exist for long ;)

He's been given every opportunity to turn his life around and again he dumps it right in the toilet.? When will you understand its not that he is naive, its that he is bankrupt of mind, soul and spirit.? As I have said before and I will say again, he only thinks of himself, he NEVER thinks of how his actions will effect those around him, and since he is a quasi-celebrity, how it will effect his fan base, such as those who had tickets and had to travel long distances to see him.? He doesn't care.? He wants to hit the pipe and that's what he will do.? He wants to hang with Adam Bomb and dump his new band, that's what he will do - leave everyone high and dry, that's what he will do.? No one is slagging on him for doing something little, he fucked a bunch of guys over - and these were his new best friends.? I think that says something, everyone is his new best friend - as long as you've got something he thinks he wants.?

Stop defending him, he is a junkie loser.? Can you figure out why Slash and Duff and Axl would never talk to him.? He used to drive by Duff's house and Duff wouldn't even come to the door.? He used to call Slash almost every day and Slash wouldn't return his phone calls.? Now maybe he will once in a while.? Those guys moved on and grew up, got their lives on track and they don't want to be around someone who can't pull his own ass out of the gutter - they did it, he HAD so much money, if he couldn't do it for himself, he should have paid someone else to do it for him - instead he used the money for drugs so his dogs could talk to him and his TV could watch him.?

Come on, when you look up Loser in the Dictionary, there's that picture of Stevie.?

I knew you where gonna reply ;D 

Aside from obvious facts, I do think you're exagerating a few things here and there cause of you're hate towards Steven for personal reasons.

Okay, you are right, I exagerated - his picture is not in the dictionary next to loser.?

Listen, the information I have is firsthand, experienced over some years with Steven - not from a fan who meets him for a minute or two and he's all nicey nice.? Most reasonable individuals would want firsthand information rather than speculation.? Let's just touch on one fact - how do you dismiss what he did to the latest version of AA - leaving them in the middle of Europe with no way home.? Please tell me how this was an okay thing to do.? Explain that away.? If you wish we can address other facts as well.?

you people that try to say this stuff, would never even be able to imgine how to get to the place that the opurtunity exists, forget about the fact that you balme him for fucking it up

waaahh, I wouldn't have fucked up
waaah, I would have done better

well then go fuckin do something amazing with your life, then talk some shit

Hey Boston I'm back to talk some shit.

If you read and are able to comprehend what was written, you will see that my information is from first hand experience with Mr. Adler - I know how he fucked things up and how he continues to fuck his life up.? We are not the ones going "waaaah" that is exclusively Mr. Adler's territory.? Want to play some more? :rofl:

Suggestion:  If you are tired of people ragging on Steven, don't read the posts, then you won't get tired.

I don't agree with Steven's choice with the 2nd line-up in Germany, not at all... I think it was very stupid of him and I'm glad he and Adam have seperated their ways now and Steven is at home.

But like I said I do think he's a genuinely nice guy, he enjoys playing music and he's great to fans and people at the gigs, he's never arrogant or an ass to fans. He's just a little to na?ve in some ways I guess.

But it's obvious you're bitter about Steven.. every single post you make here and at the SA forum are about Steven. I don't understand why he still interests you after "all the things he's done to you". Seems to me if he's been bad to you in the way you said a while ago why do you follow his actions? Most logical thing would be to leave him alone and not spending time about him and try and forget about it.

IzzyDutch -

You make a very good point.? Let me respond by saying, I didn't much care what was going on with Steven, I would see him now and then because we both lived in Laurel Canyon and I thought that even though things had been really horrible between us at the end, we had remained "kinda" friends.? I would check in with one of his friends to make sure he was okay, stuff like that.? But then, he was interviewed about why he had to spend time in jail and he totally lied about me and I'm sure the other women he had altercations with.? Well, then I was pissed and I thought "Okay, you're going to lie about me, but I'm going to tell the truth about you, which is really much more interesting."? He didn't go to jail for pinching my butt or my boob, depending on the interview, he went to jail for putting his fist through a car window into my face, trashing my home, stealing from me, wrecking my car, and then he had 2 or 3 more altercations after that with other women - all were "domestic violence" offenses and the Court had finally seen enough of Steven, had given him enough chances and sent him to do some time.? So, in conclusion, I agree, Steven is wonderful with his fans, totally approachable, its the people that are truly close to him that he takes advantage of and hurts the most.? ?

His family - Looks like mutual parasitic behavior that regularly causes Steven to experience a psychotic break...

Not fun, not good, not pleasant and not easily pointed out, reconfigured or overcome,/

Good for Izzy. Judgments and proclamation on Drug use in Rock N Roll? Shit happens.

I?m sure it?s not too pleasant for Steven dragging so much luggage behind and with him all the time.

Wish him all the best under incredible stresses and fractures?..Steven is an awesome drummer, maybe he will find some peace one day.

Steven Tyler of Aeromsith had a horrible personality when he was a druggie. It's just the drugs. Tyler is a great guy when he got off drugs.

Steven Adler is a nice guy.

How the hell do you know?