Axl is Guns n Roses

[Nick83]

There are a million amazing guitarists out there, but there are very few amazing singers.  How many people do you know that have the ability to duplicate Axl's voice?  I bet you don't know anyone.  What about Slash and izzy?  Anyone can duplicate their shit on guitar.  And you can talk about writing ability all you want, but here are the facts:  Slash is a good guitarist, but he cannot write on his own.  Both Snakepit albums sucked.  Izzy is not that great of a writer either.  To say that their albums did not live up to the GNR standard, is a massive understatement.  Only Axl can make them write material that meets the GNR standard.  It was only when they worked together, along with Axl's direction, that they were able to write what they did.


 if it wasn't for Axl, we would have never heard of Guns n Roses.  Slash would be playing in bars.  Steven would have never been able to afford to have strokes and a heart attack, izzy would probably playing bars aswell.  and duff would be...still drunk.  Axl had the vocal talent, writing talent, look, goals and motivation to make it happen.  The other guys were lazy.  Axl brought the best out in them and made it happen.  So take it how you want folks, but this is the truth.

[loretian]

I think you might be underestimating the writing abilities of Slash and Izzy in particular, but I tend to agree with you overall.  Just get ready to get ripped to shreds by Booker, Falcon, providman and the usual.... they're already circling.  

[its_so_easy]

yeah, funny how Axl hasnt released anything without the old guys, apart from oh my god.

[Eazy E]

There are a million amazing guitarists out there, but there are very few amazing singers.  How many people do you know that have the ability to duplicate Axl's voice?  I bet you don't know anyone.  What about Slash and izzy?  Anyone can duplicate their shit on guitar.  And you can talk about writing ability all you want, but here are the facts:  Slash is a good guitarist, but he cannot write on his own.  Both Snakepit albums sucked.  Izzy is not that great of a writer either.  To say that their albums did not live up to the GNR standard, is a massive understatement.  Only Axl can make them write material that meets the GNR standard.  It was only when they worked together, along with Axl's direction, that they were able to write what they did.


 if it wasn't for Axl, we would have never heard of Guns n Roses.  Slash would be playing in bars.  Steven would have never been able to afford to have strokes and a heart attack, izzy would probably playing bars aswell.  and duff would be...still drunk.  Axl had the vocal talent, writing talent, look, goals and motivation to make it happen.  The other guys were lazy.  Axl brought the best out in them and made it happen.  So take it how you want folks, but this is the truth.

Sigh, and now he's going and throwing it all down the tubes.... Shame, ain't it?  

[KillYourIdols]

Wow haven't had one of these in like 2 months....I don't have the energy to dispute this...just going to say it's not true.

~KYI

[Aava]

Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff and Steven were Guns N Roses!

Without them, we would have never heard of Guns N Roses!

[Falcon]

Just get ready to get ripped to shreds by Booker, Falcon, providman and the usual.... they're already circling.  

Thanks for the mention, but it's not even worth the time...

[Dizzy]

Oh yes, we all know Axl wrote and played every single note of music on AFD, didn't he?    Without the rest of the guys, Axl Rose would still be the mall-store stealing, girlfriend beating nobody named Bill Bailey.

Hey Nick 83
    Thanks for the most fucked up post EVER ON THIS BOARD.  LETS SEE, you were born in 1983, so that would make you a whopping 10 years old when spaghetti was released.  10. Ten. A big mature 10 year old.  You can take your fucked up views of Slash & "the boys" and shove them so far up your 20 year old ass, I hope your mother needs to remove them with plyers.  Go bloat like a dead fish and float upsidedown the river, you

Come on Washedup, you're holding back!  Let him know how you really feel.  [hihi]

[Jim]

Oh yes, we all know Axl wrote and played every single note of music on AFD, didn't he?    Without the rest of the guys, Axl Rose would still be the mall-store stealing, girlfriend beating nobody named Bill Bailey.

As would Izzy, as would Steve Adler...And as would Duff and possibly Slash.

But of course, you choose to ommit that.

I agree that Axl needed the rest of the band...

But you cannot deny that they fucking needed him.

[GNR-Rules]

Well, Axl did a lot for Guns N'Roses. But Slash and Izzy and Duff did help out. Its not all Axl you know...

[Dizzy]

As would Izzy, as would Steve Adler...And as would Duff and possibly Slash.

No actually none of them would be dime store hoods named Bill Bailey.  

But of course, you choose to ommit that.

Because it wasn't relevant.

I agree that Axl needed the rest of the band...

Good, because he did.

But you cannot deny that they fucking needed him.

You're right, I won't deny that they fucking needed him.  Your sentence was so much more powerful with the word "fucking" in there, well done.  

[jarmo]

Hey Nick 83
    Thanks for the most fucked up post EVER ON THIS BOARD.  LETS SEE, you were born in 1983, so that would make you a whopping 10 years old when spaghetti was released.  10. Ten. A big mature 10 year old.  You can take your fucked up views of Slash & "the boys" and shove them so far up your 20 year old ass, I hope your mother needs to remove them with plyers.  Go bloat like a dead fish and float upsidedown the river, you faggot.

This post makes you seem really old.....  

Aren't you the guy who's been banned about three times already?

Going for a new one?


/jarmo

[Nick83]

I think Axl was going to be a rockstar with, or without "Guns n Roses".  If he didn't make it with them, then he would have made it with others.  I can't say the that for Slash, Izzy, Duff, or Steven.

[SwedeChildO'Mine]

Of course without Slash,Izzy,Duff & Steven there would never be stuff like AFD.

But it's harder to replace Axl than anyone else from the original line-up. No angry-americans can't disagree unless they have bad taste.

We would see..   when both new GN'R and VR has released their new albums (2005 hopely) who's the best.

If GN'R then is better than VR Axl probably is better than Slash,Duff & Matt.   Perhaps, it's hard to compare but I hope you see the line.

[axl_rose_700]

I cannot believe how many times we have had this conversation, all original 5 members were important, although I would say that Axl was probably a little more important than the others at drawing people in and getting attention to GnR. I think they could have all being 'rockstars' on their own but as a unit they were bigger than they ever would be alone. What does it matter how old people are, or can people not appreciate great music if they are young, if you think that you are truly pathetic, I am 17 and I appreciate lots of great music, and I notice you say 'a big mature 10', well mate judging by your post you are not all that mature yourself!  

[Dizzy]

I think Axl was going to be a rockstar with, or without "Guns n Roses".  If he didn't make it with them, then he would have made it with others.

Yeah, Hollywood Rose was a chart-topping, groundbreaking superstar band, weren't they?  

[Nick83]

I think Axl was going to be a rockstar with, or without "Guns n Roses".  If he didn't make it with them, then he would have made it with others.

Yeah, Hollywood Rose was a chart-topping, groundbreaking superstar band, weren't they?  

Give me a break. the band didn't stay together long enough, and there was never a consistant member line up.  They never had the stability or time to develop into something successful.  So don't use Hollywood Rose as an example.

[John Daniels]

Nick83

You have some interesting point of wiews in your writings, but also you write shit. Dissing the old members as you do is one thing that I believe you don't really know what you are talking about....I think also that Axl was more talented than other ex-members, but saying that Axl did all the job, create the whole band, composed all the fucking songs either doing the songs all by himself or pulling the riffs out of Izzy or Slash just the way he wanted....that's bullshit (my opinion)

I don't think that the ex-members were only tools for Axl (like I think about the current members) you know..Slash and Izzy could do great shit without Axl bushing them..But who the fuck knows..maybe Axl is a prodigy, the newage Mozart..

[Nick83]

I am not dissing the old members though.

[jrs2001_99]

I am not dissing the old members though.

Well it seems to me that you are dissing the ex-members, because you're giving Axl 100% of the credit for GNR's success to date, which is ever so slightly unrealistic and groupie-like.

Axl truly is a unique singer... I have yet to hear another rock singer that sounds quite like him, but to say anyone can "duplicate Slash and Izzy's shit on guitar" is a huge insult.

That must mean that five minutes after picking up a guitar for the first time, everyone should be able to nail Slash's SCOM solo, the bone-crunching Mr. Brownstone riffage, the interplay between the two guitars on Nightrain and the mastery of feedback control heard throughout most of Estranged.

What about the layers of riffs and lines heard in Locomotive, the highly emotive solos in November Rain, the sheer lunacy of the solos in songs such as Don't Damn Me and Perfect Crime. I suppose everyone and their uncle came up with the idea of rearranging the Godfather Theme into a rock instrumental before Slash did (yes, it was Slash's idea, not Axl's, which is probably what you would like to believe).

As for Izzy, what about his songwriting skills? Double Talking Jive, You Could Be Mine, Pretty Tied Up to name but a few of the countless tunes to which he contributed on the Illusion albums, not to mention the significant contribution he made on Appetite for Destruction. I don't think it is any coincidence that the original Guns N' Roses failed to deliver any original music following Izzy's departure.

Next time you listen to Appetite for Destruction, do yourself a favour, and listen to it through headphones. The constantly duelling guitars throughout the album (assuming you have a deep enough listening ear to get past the vocals) show that the efforts of Slash and Izzy are in no way to be sniffed at. The rythym lines put down by Duff and Steven drive the whole thing along, and provide a catalyst for the chemistry required for the band to work. That's right, the band. That's five members, not just one.