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« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2006, 03:23:35 PM »

why do athletes take this shit when they know their gonna be caught...idiots

alot of times they do it because of the pressure to preform atleast according to Mark Lotz it is, he was a pro cycler and he has ridden a couple of tour de frances but he was also caught 2 years ago, I know this because he's a colleague of my dad now since his cycling carreer is as good as over....


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Armstrong was not doing it.. being a cancer survivor I really doubt he would put that shit in his body.

I think he probably has
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« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2006, 03:27:52 PM »

why do athletes take this shit when they know their gonna be caught...idiots

alot of times they do it because of the pressure to preform atleast according to Mark Lotz it is, he was a pro cycler and he has ridden a couple of tour de frances but he was also caught 2 years ago, I know this because he's a colleague of my dad now since his cycling carreer is as good as over....


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Armstrong was not doing it.. being a cancer survivor I really doubt he would put that shit in his body.

I think he probably has

Prove It..
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« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2006, 03:33:54 PM »

why do athletes take this shit when they know their gonna be caught...idiots

alot of times they do it because of the pressure to preform atleast according to Mark Lotz it is, he was a pro cycler and he has ridden a couple of tour de frances but he was also caught 2 years ago, I know this because he's a colleague of my dad now since his cycling carreer is as good as over....


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Armstrong was not doing it.. being a cancer survivor I really doubt he would put that shit in his body.

I think he probably has

Prove It..

I can't, but can you prove to me that he has always been clean? you can't...the sad fact is that almost all pro cyclists have used some form of doping at one point in their career.

and you do know that Armstrong was a cyclist before he even had cancer right?
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« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2006, 03:55:59 PM »

yes I do know that.. All there ever was just allegations of him.. never any proof or evidence.. so until you find some hard evidence that he used..
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« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2006, 04:02:38 PM »

A laboratory has proven that Lance was doped at 1999 Tour de France.
Lance also admitted to the doctors who were treating his cancer that he had been taking drugs.
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« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2006, 04:19:24 PM »

D, have you entered this race yet?  hihi
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« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2006, 04:27:24 PM »

Last news: Floyd Landis was doped. (testosterone positive)

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just seen that on TV ... i'm french.



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« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2006, 04:31:32 PM »

Now that Landis has been caught red-handed, I have no doubt Armstrong has doped either.  What a shame.  Bad day to be an American...it sucks to have the carpet pulled from right under you...it's like finding out Axl has been lip-syncing all these years. (he hasn't, don't bawl on me hihi)


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« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2006, 05:01:10 PM »

A laboratory has proven that Lance was doped at 1999 Tour de France.
Lance also admitted to the doctors who were treating his cancer that he had been taking drugs.

That's untrue. Plus, where is source to back your statement up?

If the second test comes back positive also then it's a real shame for Landis. But if the second test comes back negative then it could set things straight. Maybe.

But just as some of you say Landis did drugs without a doubt the same thing can be said that his drug resultes were tainted without a doubt too.
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« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2006, 05:22:04 PM »

A laboratory has proven that Lance was doped at 1999 Tour de France.
Lance also admitted to the doctors who were treating his cancer that he had been taking drugs.

That's untrue. Plus, where is source to back your statement up?

If the second test comes back positive also then it's a real shame for Landis. But if the second test comes back negative then it could set things straight. Maybe.

But just as some of you say Landis did drugs without a doubt the same thing can be said that his drug resultes were tainted without a doubt too.

dude everybody knows in france that everybody is doped on the "Tour de France" ... Landis is just like the others.

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« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2006, 05:30:38 PM »

A laboratory has proven that Lance was doped at 1999 Tour de France.
Lance also admitted to the doctors who were treating his cancer that he had been taking drugs.

That's untrue. Plus, where is source to back your statement up?

If the second test comes back positive also then it's a real shame for Landis. But if the second test comes back negative then it could set things straight. Maybe.

But just as some of you say Landis did drugs without a doubt the same thing can be said that his drug resultes were tainted without a doubt too.

dude everybody knows in france that everybody is doped on the "Tour de France" ... Landis is just like the others.



"Everbody knows". That's your proof? hihi hihi Dude... hihi
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« Reply #31 on: July 27, 2006, 05:49:57 PM »

Here's the story from Yahoo on Landis:

Team says Landis tested positive during Tour de France
By STEPHEN WILSON, AP Sports Writer
July 27, 2006

LONDON (AP) -- Tainted at the start, the Tour de France may have been tainted at the finish, too.

Floyd Landis' stunning Tour de France victory was thrown into question Thursday when his team said he tested positive for high testosterone levels during stage 17, when the 30-year-old American champion began his stunning comeback with a gritty charge into the Alps.

The Phonak team suspended Landis, pending results of the backup "B" sample of his drug test. If Landis is found guilty of doping, he could be stripped of the Tour title, and Spain's Oscar Pereiro would become champion.

It wasn't immediately known when the backup sample will be tested.

Efforts to reach Landis were not immediately successful. But Arlene Landis said her son called Thursday from Europe and told her he had not done anything wrong.

"He said, 'There's no way,"' she said in an interview with The Associated Press at her home in Farmersville, Pa. "I really believe him. I don't think he did anything wrong."

Second-place finisher Pereiro said he was in no mood to celebrate.

"Should I win the Tour now it would feel like an academic victory," Pereiro told The Associated Press at his home in Vigo, Spain. "The way to celebrate a win is in Paris, otherwise it's just a bureaucratic win."

The Swiss-based Phonak team said it was notified by the International Cycling Union (UCI) on Wednesday that Landis' sample showed "an unusual level of testosterone/epitestosterone" when he was tested after stage 17 of the race last Thursday.

"The team management and the rider were both totally surprised of this physiological result," the Phonak statement said.

The 30-year-old Landis made a remarkable comeback in that Alpine stage, racing far ahead of the field for a solo win that moved him from 11th to third in the overall standings. He regained the leader's yellow jersey two days later.

Landis rode the Tour with a degenerative hip condition that he has said will require surgery in the coming weeks or months.

Phonak's statement came a day after the UCI, cycling's world governing body, said an unidentified rider had failed a drug test during the Tour.

Phonak said Landis would ask for an analysis of his backup sample "to prove either that this result is coming from a natural process or that this is resulting from a mistake."

Phonak manager John Lelangue said the team would ask for the second sample to be analyzed in the next few days.

"He will be fighting ... waiting for the B analysis and then proving to everyone that this can be natural," Lelangue said in a telephone interview.

Arlene Landis said it could take two weeks for the results of the backup test to be made public.

"Of course he wasn't happy about it, but they're spoiling everything he's supposed to be doing right now," she said. "Why couldn't they take care of this before they pronounced him the winner? Lance (Armstrong) went through this too. Somebody doesn't want him to win."

"Why do they put you through two weeks of misery and spoil your crown? My opinion is when he comes on top of this everyone will think so much more of him. So that's what valleys are for, right?"

If the second sample confirms the initial finding, Phonak said Landis will be fired.

USA Cycling spokesman Andy Lee said that organization could not comment on Landis.

"Because it's an anti-doping matter, it's USA Cycling's policy not to comment on that subject out of respect for the process and Floyd's rights," Lee said. "Right now, we have to let the process proceed and we can't comment on it."

Carla O'Connell, publications and communications director for the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, said: "I'll make this very brief: No comment."

UCI spokesman Enrico Carpani said Landis was notified of the test Wednesday morning. He said the cycling body doesn't require analysis of the "B" sample, but that Landis requested it.

"We are confident in the first (test)," Carpani said. "For us, the first one is already good."

"It is obviously distressing," Tour director Christian Prudhomme said at a Paris news conference, stressing the backup test still must be done. Prudhomme said it would be up to the UCI to deretmine penalties if Landis is found guilty of doping.

Under World Anti-Doping Agency regulations, a ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone greater than 4:1 is considered a positive result and subject to investigation. The threshold was recently lowered from 6:1. The most likely natural ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone in humans is 1:1.

Testosterone is included as an anabolic steroid on WADA's list of banned substances, and its use can be punished by a two-year ban.

Landis wrapped up his Tour de France win on Sunday, keeping the title in U.S. hands for the eighth straight year. Lance Armstrong, long dogged by doping whispers and allegations, won the previous seven. Armstrong never has tested positive for drugs and vehemently has denied doping.

On Thursday, Armstrong was riding in RAGBRAI, an annual bike ride across Iowa that attracts thousands of riders.

At the first break in Sully, Iowa, about 50 miles southeast of Des Moines, Armstrong had little to say at the Coffee Cup Cafe, where he grabbed a slice of coconut cream pie and a big glass of ice water.

When asked about Landis, Armstrong told The Associated Press: "I'm not here to talk about that."

Landis' inspiring Tour ride reminded many of fellow American Tyler Hamilton's gritty 2003 performance. Hamilton, riding for team CSC, broke his collarbone on the first day of the Tour but rode on, despite the pain, and finished fourth overall.

But, a year later, Hamilton, then riding for Phonak, tested positive for blood doping at a Spanish race and now is serving a two-year ban. He has denied blood doping.

Also Thursday, one of Germany's main television channels threatened to drop coverage of the Tour de France because of Landis' doping test. The ZDF channel demanded guarantees from the UCI and tour organizers that they will take firms steps against doping.

Speculation that Landis had tested positive spread earlier Thursday after he failed to show up for a one-day race in Denmark on Thursday. A day earlier, he missed a scheduled event in the Netherlands.

On the eve of the Tour's start, nine riders -- including pre-race favorites Jan Ullrich and Ivan Basso -- were ousted, implicated in a Spanish doping investigation.

The names of Ullrich and Basso turned up on a list of 56 cyclists who allegedly had contact with Spanish doctor Eufemiano Fuentes, who's at the center of the Spanish doping probe.

World Anti-Doping Agency chief Dick Pound, speaking before Landis was confirmed as the rider with the positive test, said it was amazing any cyclist would risk doping after the scandals that rocked the Tour before the start.

"Despite all the fuss prior to the race with all these riders identified and withdrawn, you still have people in that race quite willing and prepared to cheat," he told the AP by phone from Montreal. "That's a problem for cycling."

Associated Press writers Michael Rubinkam in Ephrata, Pa., Lalo Villar in Vigo, Spain, and Todd Dvorak in Sully, Iowa, and AP Sports Writers Arnie Stapleton in Denver, Jamey Keaten in Paris and Melissa Murphy in Sully, Iowa, contributed to this report.

http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news;_ylt=Aj75KGpkaeolpy0NVP.41b85nYcB?slug=ap-landis-doping&prov=ap&type=lgns
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« Reply #32 on: July 27, 2006, 06:05:44 PM »

Armstrong was not doing it.. being a cancer survivor I really doubt he would put that shit in his body.

All I said was he was suspected of it for a long time and it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone if he did.

Nowhere did I, or anyone else, say that he was doping.
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« Reply #33 on: July 27, 2006, 06:19:54 PM »

Nowhere did I, or anyone else, say that he was doping.

Did you miss this false comment?

A laboratory has proven that Lance was doped at 1999 Tour de France.
Lance also admitted to the doctors who were treating his cancer that he had been taking drugs.
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« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2006, 01:12:20 AM »

It wasn't a "false comment" Mr Drew... The samples from 1999 have been tested with today's techniques. The results are irrefutable : Lance was doped in 1999. Like everybody...
source (in French): http://www.lequipe.fr//Cyclisme/DOPAGE_ARMSTRONG_2.html
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« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2006, 01:52:51 AM »

While true, a 1999 sample did test positive on the A sample, the B sample was proven to be clean.  Therefore, it is possible, but not conclusive.

So it's not a blatantly "false comment," but rather a misunderstanding due to a poor explanation from the media.
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« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2006, 02:09:28 AM »

hmm.. let me try to find the spanish doctors quotes from some article on why testosterone levels would be elevated.. I guess this doctor has defended lots of riders..
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« Reply #37 on: July 28, 2006, 02:48:02 PM »

A laboratory has proven that Lance was doped at 1999 Tour de France.
Lance also admitted to the doctors who were treating his cancer that he had been taking drugs.

That's untrue. Plus, where is source to back your statement up?

If the second test comes back positive also then it's a real shame for Landis. But if the second test comes back negative then it could set things straight. Maybe.

But just as some of you say Landis did drugs without a doubt the same thing can be said that his drug resultes were tainted without a doubt too.

dude everybody knows in france that everybody is doped on the "Tour de France" ... Landis is just like the others.



"Everbody knows". That's your proof? hihi hihi Dude... hihi

i can't explain myself in english but in france everybody knows yes... many proofs of it.

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« Reply #38 on: July 28, 2006, 04:52:26 PM »

i can't explain myself in english but in france everybody knows yes... many proofs of it.

Okay, I guess there's no reason trying to have a converstion/debate with you then.


About the drug test. Has anyone ever thought that testosterone levels in American men could actually just be higher then other men in other ocuntries? It is a genetic posibility.
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« Reply #39 on: July 28, 2006, 04:57:42 PM »

A laboratory has proven that Lance was doped at 1999 Tour de France.
Lance also admitted to the doctors who were treating his cancer that he had been taking drugs.

That "proof" was with a damaged B sample. His A sample was clean, undamaged, and if he really was doping it wouldn't have taken 7 years to figure it out.

The French are just pissed at Lance because it's a French race and Americans are better than they are at it.

Landis may have, but I still have my doubts about the whole thing...
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