Here Today... Gone To Hell!

last tour they played pretty much all AFD, now why do you need three guitarists? they never had 3 guitarists when they first started out... i just don't see why robin and richard can't handle the duties..

The thing is AFD slash dubbed his guitar parts so there really was 3 guitars playing in that album. All the new songs were worked out in a 3 peace guitar orchestra. Dont kid yourself im in a band and when you practise with 3 guitarosts or 2 and a member isnt there it is as hard as hell to cover up all the parts that everyone worked out together.

yeah i get that, but they still only used two players during the old tours...and how long does it take to find a fill in replacement? a guy just to play a couple of shows? axl could hire a interim replacement.. how long after izzy left did they hire gilby? im not bashing, im just wondering why they have to cancel.

I know that is a very good question. But i think Axl wants to get the perfect replacement for Buckethead after all that could take some time but maybe he can't play the new songs at Rio without Buckethead or another replacement so maybe thats why..Regardless he gave you an explanation why and it was because of Buckethead so obviously thats the reason.

Its not that hard to figure out.

If slash quit a few months before rio would the old band continue on? hell fukin no.

Its the same thing with bucket. Hes a pivotal member of the group. They have to figure out what they ae gonan do about the situation now.

Who the fuck cares how many guitarists the old lineup had. Did you ever stop and think that maybe there are 3 guiatristrs in the band because 3 guitarists are necessary for thier own material.

So you think this band minus Buckethead couldn't belt out a few songs for a couple of hours?  Maybe 3 guitarists are necessary for their own material, but why couldn't they play a set of old tunes and explain to the crowd the situation?  Or would that make too much sense?

You're thinking in this "GN'R has to make a big return and take over the world" sense... why couldn't they just be a band for a few hours at Rio?  Play the AFD songs, learn one or two new songs, and maybe play a cover that's never been done by GN'R before.  There are no rules to what a band has to perform live.

I'm not saying they should tour without Buckethead, but at least live up to the Rio obligation.  My respect for Axl would've gone way up if he actually went out and played that show.

axls#2 is right, thier reason for cancelling is not great.  I believe the Rio organizers thought the same way... that's why they made the comments they did when people were trying to find out if the MTV article was true.

>Who the fuck cares how many guitarists the old lineup had. Did you ever stop >and think that maybe there are 3 guiatristrs in the band because 3 guitarists are >necessary for thier own material

They didn't cancel the tour just because of Buckethead. Axl didn't have his shit together once again. He has been giving excuses for years now.

Everyone knows Axl's a perfectionist, he simply doesn't want to do a show when they don't know what they're going to do with the band or even if BH is out for good. That's just the way he is. Period.

And if someone doesn't think he'll deliver then stop wasting your time.

Of course they could have done it, but again I ask you this....
If Slash quit before the rio gig back in the day would the band get a interim replacement and play rio? And the answer to that is no. So why should it be different with this band.

Buckethead was a pivotal band member. Your all coming from the point of view that this is some unorganized project. Axls intentions are to make his comeback with a band. And that band included buckethead. Now they have to regroup and figure out how they are going to move on.

Yea they could have played the same old songs, but then the next day half this board would be complaining about the same old setlist. Yet another gnr fan contradiction. Some fans are starting to catch up with  Axl in the contradiction department.

There obligation was for gnr to show up at rio. Gnr consists of axl,buckethead,robin,fortus,pittman,tommy,dizzy and brain....buckethead, their lead guitarits and important band member decides to quit. Plus they notified rio and the public well in advance. And its quite possible they notified the rio organizers much sooner than the press release we got.


I just dont understand why people are making a big deal over this rio cancellation. Who cares. Im more pissed because bucket is out. Who cares about a cancellation. It means nothing.
and ill ask the question to u all again....
if slash had quit before a gig like rio, would the old lineup continue on and do that show?

This is just like the European cancellation a few years back. The chances of Bucket's departure being the real reason why the show was cancelled are almost zero. Remember when he "got sick"? It's just a convenient reason for Axl to use to not show up. He just doesn't have his shit together.

I'm sure Axl opened a couple of bottles of champagne when he found out that the BH left GN'R.  ::)

First off, seeing as Buckethead hasn't responded to Axls remarks tells us he is pretty much the only reason for Rio being cancelled.

Second, lets look at the past few years:

MTV:
Axl takes alot of shit from quite a few people about a shitty performance.

US Tour:
Axl takes alot of shit for playing almost the entire Apettite album, with no new songs.

If Axl played rio this year without bucket, even if he got a 3rd guitarist in time, the guitarist wouldn't be able to play an entire headlining set of new songs.  You can't learn and be expected to play competently a 1.5+ hr show if you haven't even heard the songs before.  Therefor, they would be forced to play roughly the same set as the did on the US tour.  I remember people saying that if guns played the same set as on the US tour, they'd be finished and that they HAD to play new songs in RIO.

I'd much rather Axl drop this one show and spend the time, that otherwise would be wasted on rehearsals, on finding a new guitarist and finishing Chinese Democracy.  I have a feeling that Axl actually cared about Lisbon and was gonna announce the release date of Chinese Democracy then, since the press release said a couple months, and Lisbon is in a couple months.

BTW, I doubt that the 2001 cancellation due to a stomach ailment of Bucketheads was a fake because I don't see bucket as sitting back and being a scapegoat for Axl.  If it was a lie, bucket probably would have come out after Axl put out the press release to say that Axl lied in 2001.  It would give him alot more press, and people would like him cause he's taking a shot at Axl.

/Ben

If Axl played rio this year without bucket, even if he got a 3rd guitarist in time, the guitarist wouldn't be able to play an entire headlining set of new songs.  You can't learn and be expected to play competently a 1.5+ hr show if you haven't even heard the songs before.  Therefor, they would be forced to play roughly the same set as the did on the US tour.  I remember people saying that if guns played the same set as on the US tour, they'd be finished and that they HAD to play new songs in RIO.




Finally somebody who has some good points....

I'd much rather Axl drop this one show and spend the time, that otherwise would be wasted on rehearsals, on finding a new guitarist and finishing Chinese Democracy.  I have a feeling that Axl actually cared about Lisbon and was gonna announce the release date of Chinese Democracy then, since the press release said a couple months, and Lisbon is in a couple months.

Yea,  more like he is probably just sitting in his mansion........thinking about who he can get to rerecord buckethead's parts. then he'll wait a little more. then try to do a scratch vocal...................

Bah, the excuse was very poor.

If u ask me Axl never had any intention of appearing.

Well, my question to you all is this........

IF bucketdude has been  " unofficially " out of the band for nearly a whole year( if what i have read is actually correct! ), i know if it was me and my band, i would have searched for a new replacement a loooooong time ago.

So, that makes axls excuse pretty fucking lame to me.

i think this band of axls doesnt exist, or hasnt existed since the american tour failure anyways.

I think the rio thing was just one big missunderstanding from the brazilian side of things, expecting axls solo effort of a band to appear as per usual.

He has lost his third guitarists and he feels that his ideal concept of the band has fallen apart..

Axl is a perfectionist..if he can't get his way, it won't happen..Now when he is building his band back to

its feet, he won't perform and release the album, until he's 100 % sure that the timing is right and the band is

being re-build correctly.

Why do you say so?
I thought the excuse bit was pretty odd in that statement as well.

The fact there was never any confirmation from the GNR camp,

the fact that Bhead had been out of the band for over a year, unofficially or other wise - plenty of time to get a replacement or do something about it

The fact he lets the absence of an unessery third guitarist interfere in the sole tour date on the year.

The whole thing seemed wrong from the start, i knew they wouldn't show.

Ok ive had enough of this bullshit...all the media has givin axl for the last 8 years is shit after shit in the press..i read somethin today that his letter to the fans about rio was the worst one ever that god dam ridiculous...i dont know what the real excuse was for the cancellation of rio..but aviasly they were confirmed because if they werent axl either wouldnt of said anyting to he would of said that they werent confirmed.....and in a interview from dizzy they said that buckethead was gone a year ago..well that interview was called fake and according to dizzy it never happened so theres no proof he was gone a year ago.....Axl didnt have time for another guitar player to come in and learn all the new stuff or have the other guitar players learn bucketheads parts..so i think it was a good reason..and i comend axl...and im tired of hearing the press talk shit about axl  :rant: :rant: :rant:

The thing about Bucket being out of the band for a year is the thing I don't understand. Axl has obviously prided himself over the years in his "perceived" ability to decide who wants to put the work into making GNR great (Think Slash and Axl's fascination with him not wanting to do the work to make the band great), yet he lets Bucket put the band in a position as such where he knows he is a liability yet does nothing about it. You would think the man would have learned from past experiences that those not 100% committed should be exiled. I mean if he could part ways with Slash, losing Bucket is no big deal. He obviously knew this was happening, (as he admits in the press release) yet decided to put the name of the band at risk that he would change his mind. He didn't and it is another slap in the face to GNR and music fans everywhere who wanted to see them. This is 110% Axl's fault, because as CEO of his company (and GNR is his company) you are ultimately responsible for watching out for the well being of that company at all times and not allowing your liabilities to take you under which in this case he did. By taking pre-emptive action and firing Bucket since he obviously was not putting in his work (and god knows Axl has no problem firing people, or creating an environment in which walking out is the only other option), this whole mess could have been avoided.

I want to believe him when he says they willl be setting a release date, but the same was said in 99. Until I have it in my hands I will be a doubting Thomas. The thing that makes me saddest is having seen them live to see what their capable of and to know they will continue to be judged on all of this frivilous stuff instead of music because that is all Axl gives anyone to work with :crying:.

The rumors that we first got were that BH had been gone since late last year...since December.  (I think.)  I don't remember having read that he'd been out for a whole year, but in Axl's message he said that BH had been inconsistent.  There was a part where he said that BH had called and announced that he was back in Guns when no one had known BH had even left Guns at that time.   :hihi:

My question about Naupis's post...IF Axl had fired BH, would he have had to buy out BH's contract?  How does that work?  

What a tight bunch ::)

Completely different.  Slash actually recorded songs with GNR.  


Do what?  We don't know jack shit about what Buckethead is to the group.  They haven't released anything featuring him.  


Did you ever stop to think that there is no material?  Or that if it does actually exist, it's completely underwhelming?

"Oh yeah, there's a whole album of vocal parts. In fact, there's two albums worth that they've got there, at least. They played me everything. Axl actually sat down and made me listen to everything (laughs) and there's some wonderful stuff there. " - Brian May.

hey Estranged.1098 could you tell me when did Brian May said that, thanks

peace  :peace:

Sure,  http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=250.

Haha you're joking, right? Pointing to a 4 year old interview as if anything said back then is relevant today? Only in Axl land people, only in Axl land, the land of make believe.

But maybe they were going to play all new material at Rio with Buckethead.....released or not....


Did you ever stop to think that you might be a dipshit and talking out of your ass on this topic?? you have no idea what the new material is or isnt...

So you do you think Brian May is lying to you?? Its all just a big fucking joke to make you look stupid?? why would Brian May lie about this?? Think for one second why an interview with Brian May would irrelevant today?? Was it Relevant 4 yeas ago??? or was he just talking out of his ass???

Brian May wouldn't fucking lie about anything to do with Chinese Democracy, If anything axl would have liked that Brian actually said somehtin was done so the fans would think that somehtin was getting done

I wasn't actually pointing out the interview in the first place. I quoted May to show a few people they're wrong in thinking GN'R doesn't have any material for the new album or that it's "underwhelming" . Nothing "make believe" unless you think May is a liar or you think I'm talking about something else.

Everyone else has taken care of that quuestion for me...and ill add to it...not only did brian may say that, he has recently said something liek if Axl is trying to make the perfect record he isnt too far from it.

and that is from brian may. a rock legend. not a techno legend, not an industrial legen a fuukin rock legend. That is hwy i laugh when people think the band is on a techno craze. but its ok you keep thinking they have no material.

I think it's a good sign that he thought he needed to explain the situation and why they are cancelling RIR4, much better than just cancelling it and say nothing about it to the fans like the 02 tour.

and I thought he had pretty good news too, better than what I expected, I never believed they were gonna play RIR4, and I didn't think the album would ever be out, but I dunno, maybe it actually will come out now.

the things he said about Buckethead were a bit unneccesary though, he should maybe have put it a different way, even if BH really have been the reason for a lot of the delays.

but all in all, I think it is a good thing that he contacted his fans! : ok:

just think how much more annoying it would be if he cancelled with no word..

I read a quote somewhere i think it was from either Gilby or Slash where they say that Gilby only got 1 week to learn all the Gn'R songs they were playing live for the UYI tour.
However i agree that Buckethead may have been such an important part of the new songs - his playing style - that it might have been hard to play them without him, if possible at all - even with a temporary replacement. However i do think that 2 months is adequate time for Axl to find a permament replacement and for them to jam and learn the songs. Even if Axl didnt want to get a replacement that quick im sure Fortus and Finck could have smashed out a set of classics and Axl just explain that their is no new songs becasue of Bucketheads departure. I for one would rather see a set of classics than no set at all, in fact im sure the classics are what most of the people who bought tickets were paying to see.

Then i just hope you arent one that complains about the "revolving door" and that if they played the classics at rio you wouldnt be complaing about the setlist. If you arent one of those complainers thans i have no problemo with your post.

Since you & your ilk obviously have reading comprehension problems, I'll explain what I meant & I'll type slowly for you.

Just because someone said something 4 years ago doesn't make it relevant today, especially now that all this bullshit has gone down the last 2-3 years. It doesn't mean Brian May was lying. I never said, or even hinted, that he was.  I don't doubt for a second that Rose showed him a whole bunch of music, & Brian did whatever he said he did.  It just means nothing today. Go ahead, prove me wrong. You can't.

Five years from now , when you're still waiting for CD, you'll still be saying how Brian may said this & that  blah blah blah....., & it will still won't be be relevant.

why not?? Albert Einsein said E=mc2 over 4 years ago and its still relevent


explain all this "bullshit that has gone down" that would make Brian Mays hearing songs and giving positive reviews for them irrelevant...

Then why EXACTLY is Brian Mays interview irrelevant?
Did the songs Axl played for him suddenly dissapear???

ok good now your catching on..

you have said this already... Why does it mean nothing? why are the songs shit now?? They are like a carton of eggs and go bad??

you havent said anyting other than an interview 4 years ago is irrelevant... tell us why you feel that its irrelevant and then ill prove you wrong..

Reeeeeeeeely???


why wont it??

What does all the bullshit{tour cancellations,bucket leaving etc} have to do with the music that the band has been making?

Uh, and maybe not.  I figured they would play new material everytime they toured the last three years.  It never happened.


That's the point, dipshit.  Nobody has any idea.  

Axl has released one song in the past 10 years--and it bombed miserably.  Yet, people here think Axl has 3 CDs worth of epic masterpieces just waiting to be unleashed.  

Yeah, that seems totally logical.

Well, you can choose to believe something Brian May said years ago.  I will let all the other evidence speak for itself in this regard, however.

Question:  how many years will it take for you to realize that--

a) this album isn't coming anytime soon

and

b) Axl is so paranoid, insecure, and generally whacked out in the head that he will either never be satisfied with the record to release, no matter its quality, or that it just isn't all that good?

Honest question.  If it still isn't released, say, 2 years from now, will you begin to believe this?

among other artists... what about Zakk Wilde?? Can i choose to belive him too?? or will his word be ignored and dismissed like you and dipshit gognrblue seem to do..

what evidence?? you have something that disproves Brian May? or Zakk Wilde?

dont try to turn your needless axl bashing into my beliefs...

Do you know this for a fact??? or your just talking out of your ass again???

agian dont try to back peddle out of your Axl Bashing post and turn it into why iam here... you bashed Axl...now back it up...you and chicken shit goblue or whatever...come on...lets debate it... go blue chicken shitted out and just wants to turn it into a me VS him thread... you said

1. That beliving something Brian May said goes against the other evidence that speaks for itself...

Debate it with me big boy.... what evidence are you refering too???

how many times did they tour the last three years? "everytime" ..

honestly would you think that after 2002 that they wouldnt play any new stuff?? come on really??

did you belive that they would play the same setlist at 2001 RIO as in 2004 RIO??

if so i have some pyrmamids in egypt that im willing to sell you...


then why did you post this....

Did you ever stop to think that there is no material?  Or that if it does actually exist, it's completely underwhelming

Per concert reviews in Vegas Axl said that song was never supposed to be released in the 1st place...  and if i may point out it was a un noticed track on an un noticed movies un noticed sound track... so of course you can argue that it "bombed miserbly" it wasnt pused on the radio.. there was no video... your reaching for straws here...

Thats the word we get from people like
Zakk Wilde
Brian May
Moby
Axl Rose
etc...

why not??? why could it not be? you think there is nothing or are you just bashing axl rose???

 ???

I guess the press release detailing the meaning and making of the song wasnt meant to be released either?

"Once the opportunity was presented, the song was given priority in our recording process. As the verse, performance and lyrics were decided on, for us (that especially includes Interscope chairman Jimmy Iovine) the choice became obvious. We were more than pleased Mr. Roswell (the film's music supervisor) agreed! Our thanks to Arnold and all for the consideration - it is an association in which we have always felt honored." - Axl Rose

Odd that these words would be included in a press release for a song that wasnt meant for release.  

why? what was released first? the song or the press release??

or forced??

given priority by whom?

i can read between the lines on this one...
BTW what is the "choice"

what did Mr Roswell do??


very odd... but just coz it wasnt meant for release it still was..

As I said above Per the Vegas reviews... All the Reviews quoted him as saying the song was basicly "stolen" and not what he wanted released... When was the press release for the song sent? before or after the song hit the airwaves??

Well if you read what he says then it says just that. He says that being that there was an oppurtunity to put a song in a soundtrack they jumped on the oppurtunity. He then goes on to say the song was bumped up in the song process so that it could be completed for the soundtrack.

So from that it seems that there was no intention to release the song at that moment. MAybe at a later date but not at that point in time. Oppurtunity came up, song fit the movie, bam.

Awesome song i might add.

Ok while i choose to listen to people who have been involved with the prject and have heard teh material you can sit in your corner and say the opposite. No skin off my back.

What i will begin to believe if that becomes the case is that I will have to forget about Gnr touring for each album.

The material will be coming out. Its a matter of when. Too much time and money has been invested by both gnr and the company not to release. GNr do not have a choice in terms of never releasing it. For gnr to continue with their 3 album and tour for each plans they have to release the 1st album soon. Axl isnt getting any younger. Other than that I have no worries.

10 years, no album.  4 years since Axl brought in the "hired guns."  No album.  No songs.  Nothing.


What do you think?  Yeah, dude, I know it for a fact.   ::)



Backpedal?  Ha.  There's no need.  You have nothing to stand on...


First of all, get Axl's cock out of your mouth.

Secondly, there's nothing to debate.  We just believe differently.  You believe that Axl is going to produce.   I believe that he will not.

History is on my side.  He's produced nothing so far.  When he puts the album out, I will have been wrong.  

Until then, you are an idiot for believing this thing is coming anytime soon, just like the people who thought it was coming in 2001 (and this includes me).

I bet you would've said the same thing at the onset of the "Chinese Democracy World Tour, 2002/2003."  (featuring zero new material).  


I give a fuck what Axl said.  Axl has himself to protect.  He will say whatever it takes to accomplish this.  It's human nature.  Hey, my song bombed.  But wait, I never meant for it to be released (LOL!).


Oh, it got plenty of notice around here.  It was played on radio.  The response was horrific.  It was an embarrassment.

The same can be said for the ex members as well....
Since 98/99 this band has been making material. 5 yrs isnt a long time in making 1 album, nevermind 3. They are making 3 albums buddy.
To me that is something. They havnt released it because its not ready.

No, history isnt on your side. Axl's history includes, what he did with the old lineup.
All history says about the new era of gnr is that they have fucked up in the pr department. They have been working on material with this lineup for 5 yrs now. When they release that material, the history books will have 3 more Classic albums to its catalouge ;)

I could care less if you think that this band will fail. Its your opinion and thats totally cool. BUt to act like it is fact or to mak eit seem like its impossible for them to be successful is very funny. BUt its ok. Hav eyour fun now. But i know youll be right behind me on that line with cd in your hands.

You're forgetting that 2004 RIO is actually 2004 LISBOA. It's very possible GN'R were planning on touring Europe with the old setlist and only then release the album and start touring with a "whole bunch of new songs" to quote someone :)

In fact I always thought this European tour was gonna be the same. They played Brazil, Asia and North America. I thought their plan was to do a mini world tour (includes Europe) to promote the new band. Once that was taken care of they would promote the new album which would require a new setlist.

Of course this is all pointless now as things (and that means plans) have changed.

You people are forgetting that GNR already has a 3rd guitar player who knows most of the new songs.
Paul Huge left the band 2 years ago and he could have filled in the spot for a show.

the question is, is he still in good relations with Axl.

dont bet on what i would have said.  and for the record when the 1st two JP shows and the Tacoma show were the same i knew what the set list would be... common sense was my source...

his song didnt bomb... it was barely noticed or promoted.. If it had a video and was pushed hard and then nobody liked it thats whats called "bombed"

where is "round here" I can picture a bunch of old dudes in sleevless shirts with mullets saying "is dat da nu gunz n rozes??" "sheet cletus dat sucks" "why is dat on da raydeeo?? change da setin fur me, will ya hoss??"

no wonder the response was horrific...

Madagascar
Silkworms
Rhiad and the Bedouins
The Blues
Madagascar
Oh My God

just coz you havent heard the other new ones and Brian May and Zakk Wilde have, you dont have to cry about it..

reeely? ur personal attacks on a man that you dont even know are a fact? Shit dude you must be like a mind reader or something..
 
man since u can tell so much about someone you dont know can you tell me if the chick down the road likes me or not?? i think shes kinda hot...

no your the one who has nothing to stand on.. you bashed Axl with needless banter... your the one who has to stand on something, not me.. im just defending him and pointing out your post was nothing but needless Axl bashing...

GOD!! ITSS SEWW HUGE!!!!

millions of album sales
sold out concerts
soundtracks...

oh yeah all within the last 10 years with out even releasing a new album yeah your right...hes act thats just waiting for his big break...
 
wrong about what? so your saying you think the songs will be what Brian May and Zakk said they will be?? oh wait thats not what you said earlier....


really?? im an idiot?? thanks man!!

The posters who think adding insults to their posts will make them look better, think again.



/jarmo

If that was directed at me for something i posted i appologize....

This is by far the best statement thus far in this thread.

Hung Well, take a step back and look at what you are saying.  You have absolutely no idea what goes on in the world of Axl Rose or GNR for that matter where as Kockstar99,younggunner, and estranged1098 can back up their statements with proof.

HungWell, you are frustrated.  We all can see that.  Hell, we all are.  However, is it really going to help matters by behaving in this manner because it doesn't make you look very smart.........just an fyi ::)

younggunner:

Huh?  Slash has put out albums.  Duff has put out albums.  Izzy has put out albums.  They even formed a band which will have an album out in June.  Where have you been?


We know none of this.  Axl said he's making 3 albums.  He also said a lot of other shit that hasn't come true.   I know you believe all this.  I don't.


I was talking about the history of the new GNR.  They haven't produced anything.


I was the same as you a couple years ago.  I thought the album was coming.  I thought they would play new songs when they toured America.  I thought wrong.

kockstar:

So, Axl won't play any new songs when he tours America under the guise of "Chinese Democracy World Tour" but you think he was going to play new songs at Rio/Lisbon?


Ha, don't you wish.   I live in one of the biggest markets in the United States.  OMG got airplay on both the biggest new rock station here and regular rock station.  To say the response wasn't good would be an understatement.


You can count all the songs that Axl plays at concerts (the same ones for the past 3+ years).  I'll count the songs that actually come on the album (you know, what actually matters).


You think I would cry over the nonsense you post?   : ok:


Well, I think its calling a spade a spade.  Would you say I was "bashing" Michael Jackson if I pointed out what a wierdo he was?


It's simple.  When CD comes out I will fully admit I was wrong.  If it doesn't come out, will you admit the same?

HungWell, how many times have you said something to someone or promised something to someone or gave a deadline on something only to have to 'retract' your original statement due to the fact that you are a human being just like Mr. Rose? ???

Shit tends to go wrong in the GNR world.  That is a given.  It you don't see that, then you need to start seeing it if you want to continue being a fan of this band.  Axl is far from perfect.  He makes mistakes.......hell probably make more mistakes than you or I.  But the fact is, he's a human like you and me and he deals with life the way HE sees fit.  Yeah, it may not be the way you or I would handle matters, but so be it.

In being a GNR fan, one must exhibit faith, endless waiting, and above all flexibility and patience.  I am sorry to tell you that Axl isn't going to move things any faster at anyone's expense but his own.  When you become a rock legend or own your own business, and you see how shit happens that you didn't intend for to happen, then you can do things the way you want to.  Maybe then you will understand where Axl is coming from : ok:

I know they have put out albums. BUt what have they put out that meets their standards? Nothing.
Ever since they departed from the band they have made a buch of average solo albums that have had no musical impact. Plus until recently they have never attempted to make a musical impact with anohter band.

Axl has been wroking night and day to make a big musical contribution to the world that meets his past standards, gnr standars, and something that he hope will surpass or be as good as past efforts. Whether you think he is capable of doing that is your opinion, but his intentions are to keep making memorable music. And music that continues the legacy of gnr. Somehting in which the old members have not done or shown a desire to do until recently with vr.


Well then your being stupid if you dont think they ahve a shitload of material. Its one thing not to believe what Axl says in terms of substance of the material, deadlines,timetables,plans,etc but to disregard the fatc that they have multiple albums then your being an ass.


Very good. No1 has said they have produced anything or done anything that meets the old lineups standards. Like i have said, they have failed in the PR department so far. But one thing they havnt done is failed in the department that is the most important, the music. They have not failed or had success yet. Like i have been saying the jury is still out on the music witht his lineup.
It is my opinion that they will step up to the plate in a very big way. Your of the opinion they wont. No1 is right or wrong. Time will tell on that when the material is finally released. Have Gnr fucked up, yes they have, but i wont let those type of non important fuck up effect the way i think of this band and what they can do musically. which is the reason why im here.

So get mad at gnr because they didnt do what you thought they would do? The album has never been officially given a release date. Band members, including Axl have given us timetables that they did not follow up on. Obiviously there are reasons for that. But everytime they have mentioned a possible release, they always say god willing, hopefully,if everything goes right,etc. SO with that you should be cautious. It hasnt effected you too much, like you say, because after 2 years your still here. WHy? Maybe it because even though you wanna see this band fall flat on their face you know that there a chance that axl along with the band have created somethig very special. And that is what keeps you here, interested, involved in the soap opera known as gnr.

insupportofaxl:


Why is that?  I love AFD and Lies.  I like both UYI's.  Whether or not Cd ever comes out will not change that--I will always be a fan of GNR because of those things.  

If CD comes out, great.  If not, oh well.  I just have gotten to the point where I don't see it happening.


No problem with that.   :beer:

younggunner:

First of all, I haven't heard any of their solo stuff.  I care not to.  

But, what standards did you expect it to live up to?  GNR standards?  No way that was ever going to happen.  When was the last time the guitar/bass player of a major band put out a solo album that lived up to the previous band's material?  I can't think of it ever happening.  So what expectations are we talking about?

I would say VR is attempting to make a musical impact.  We'll see how it does...


I do believe this is what Axl is trying to do, but I don't think he'll ever be able to do it.  That's part of why I don't think we'll see CD anytime soon.  The fact that it has taken so much time says to me he is struggling, mightily.  Obviously, you think differently.  You think it's because he's working on 3 albums.  If Axl is actually trying it that way, he's got huge balls, because it's never been done before.  But we really don't know.  


Ok, I see your point.  

But let me ask you this.  If the album never comes, would you consider that a failure?  

The answer is yes for me, simply because I truly believe Axl is trying--and if he is trying and cannot produce, that is failure.


Dude, you got me all wrong.  I'm not mad at Axl.  I think some of the things he does are assinine, but I'm not mad at him.  I don't hate Axl.  Axl has done nothing but good things for me (namely, AFD, Lies, UYI).


I'd be here even if Axl was dead.  Whether or not new material is released has no effect on me being a fan of GNR and being a member of the GNR community.


Why would I want to see this band fall flat our their face?  I love GNR.  I would love nothing more than to see this band succeed and get the GNR name that I love out of the shit that it's in now.

Why is it anytime someone on this board questions the status this band or CD, they are labeled as "haters" who "want GNR to fail"  ?

Why not? Why shouldnt the old members, particulary slash, have the same expecations that are put on as Axl?
Its not even an issue with who has more pressure to deliver. Axl has taken on a huge responsibility and has accepted that. Slash has done medicre work, now finally he is in a talented band that might actually make decent music.

Being that Axl is accused of breaking up the band any material he releases, whethe rhe calls it gnr or something else, will always have a high standard. I just find it funny that no1 has these standards for the other guys. BUt its cool. Axl and the new band definatly have the talent to put together something sdpecial and the little nuggets they have given us show me that.

Like i said, its one thing to think he can do it and one thing to think they havnt been working on a lot of material. Its cool if you think Gnr cant do it, its your opinion.

The band has been working on the material since 98/99. Is that an absurd amount of time in making a much anticipated album? Plus they are making 3!. I mean cmon.
BUt im not saying that 3 albums is holding things up. You have to understand that a lot has gone on behind the scenes. They could have released CD right before bucket came but didnt. Then bucket came and bam they have a shitload of better material or more material. That delayed it a lot. Then comes 2003 and bucket leaves. Now they have to figure out what they are gonna do.

Everyone wants the album, everyone complains about this not being a band,....but everyone fails to see that Axl is going to do this in a band fashion. One of those members has quit now they have to rethink.

Its not hard to understand what the gnr plan is. They have 3 albums. You know how you all complain about the stop n go's? Well guess what, GNr doesnt want to have then when the ball gets rolling. They have made 3 cds so that they can finish the follow ups up in a quick amount of time while they have momentum. PLus they are going to do a lot of touring.

yes


Once again...its totally cool if you think that axl and this band havnt been working on a lot of material and if you think that their material wont be any good. Thats fine. But understand the facts. The facts are they have been working on multiple albums. Now that doesnt mean that is the reason why cd has been delayed but that explains why its taken them 5 yrs. They have failed in the pr department. BUt who cares? GUess what makes peopel forget about all that.Great music. And when that great music is finally released then all of the bullshit that has been talked baut will go away in a second. Its about the music. Till then.....think what u want

 :rant:This whole thread is nothing but alot of bitching.Axl is one of the best singers in the world,he can still kick ass,so can Slash and the other ex members of GN'R. :beer:

Because they were not using the Guns N' Roses name, and neither should Axl.  I'm not so sure a lot of the people who come here understand that the lives of the men who made up what was Guns N'Roses - Slash, Duff, Izzy, Adler - were nearly destroyed by all the excess of those years.  These guys needed time to recover, and I'm so glad they have.  Any musical output the ex-Gunners came out with was done mostly for fun than anything else.  They were not intended as masterpieces, and shouldn't be viewed as such.  I don't think any of them were seeking huge record sales, they were just doing it for the love of making music. Maybe it was a way of rediscovering their love of music after all the turmoil they had been through being members of the world's most famous, and notorious, rock n'roll band.  Really, it's a miracle nobody involved with that band died.  Thank God.

The original Gunners may have been quiet all these years, but at least they weren't pretending to be doing anything other than getting their lives in order.  Axl, on the other hand, continues to fuck around, insisiting he's creating a masterpiece but not delivering on those lofty promises.  I just wonder, if Brian May said in 2000 that he heard three albums worth of material, how come, in 2004, we're all still waiting for it?  Surely, with three albums worth of music, SOMETHING could have been released by now.  SOMETHING should have released in fucking 1999, damnit!  All people want is ONE album.  I believe Brian May because I have the utmost respect for the man; he's a legend and a true gentleman, but it also proves to me that Axl really doesn't have a fucking clue as to what he is doing.

With three albums worth of music, there is probably a lot of really good stuff there, and probably some crap, too.  More likely than not, Axl has tinkered with these songs so much, in that aiming for perfection he turns good material into overproduced garbage.  There is a very real possibility that if Axl ever does release anything it's not going to be very good.  The reason "Oh My God" was not a hit was because rock fans do not want Guns N'Roses to sound like Nine Inch Nails or Rob Zombie.  Personally, I kind of like the song (in small doses), but it is NOT Guns N'Roses.  Now, if this is the sort of music Axl wants to make, that's fine, but DON'T call it "Guns N'Roses."  More importantly, do not call it "Guns N'Roses" when that just spits in the face of the men who were, and always WILL BE, the real GNR.  Of course, that right there is the only reason Axl is hanging onto the GNR name.

Knowing what an arrogant, petty, and vindictive fool the man is - and that's been CLEARLY and publically demonstrated literally hundreds of times over the years - he desperately wants people to say "Slash Who?"  He's so hellbent on hurting his onetime friends that he's sabotaging himself in the process.  In his mind, the whole world should just recognize that Guns N'Roses were never anything more than the Axl Rose show and nothing else; that everybody involved are merely backing musicians.  It is way too obvious that Axl hated the fact that Slash, Duff, Izzy, et al., were all stars in their own right.  In their heyday, all of the members of Guns N'Roses were household names, and still are to some extent.  Slash is universally considered a legend.  Does the man have any enemies?  Even all those people who slag GNR begrudgenly admit they like Slash.  I could only imagine Axl's jealously the time Slash got his own Rolling Stone cover.

GNR fans have a real love of sorts for Slash, Izzy, Duff, Steven, and Matt.  They are remarkable musicians and human beings.  Truly, it is a testament to these guys that they were never overshadowed by Axl's massive ego, no matter how hard Axl tried to shove them into the background.   He seriously believes that all these guys stabbed him in the back; he's basically said as much in past interviews.  By shitting on those who made him, he shits on all of us, too.  Guns N'Roses were a real BAND, and were always viewed as such by the entire world minus Mr. Rose.  The man is an extreme, self-centered, prima donna.

Well, now Axl has got all of his glorified studio musicians that are not going to upstage him in any way, but now even some of them are walking out on him.  Well, good for you, Buckethead, you've come to your senses.  I doubt he'll be the last one to quit.  Robin Finck - who I like - already left the group for a short while before returning, and there have been rumors ever since that he's on his way out again.  There have been rumors about Tommy Stinson quitting from time-to-time, and who knows, he just might sooner or later.  Working with Axl Rose has got to be one of the most tiring and stressful experiences a musician could ever undertake, and the veteran Stinson isn't getting any younger.  The ever-loyal Dizzy Reed will stick around, but the rest of these guys have just got to be at the end of their rope at this point.  It's 2004, and all of these guys - except Dizzy - could easily be playing with somebody else.  

Right now, Axl is waiting to see what Velvet Revolver will do.  If it is a successful project - which I think it will be, assuming Scott Weiland doesn't fuck it up - then that will be it for Mr. Rose.  Seeing Slash, Duff, and Matt do well will destroy Axl's fragile psyche once and for all.  His jealously and hatred will finally eat him alive (if it hasn't already).  If VR turns out to be a flop, then perhaps that will motivate Axl to finally release something, seeing as how he'll be able to show up his former mates.  I'm not holding my breath waiting for that to happen.  I'd much rather have a kick-ass record from the men I respect than anything with Axl Rose on it.

Like Buckethead, the time has long past for GNR fans to give up on W. Axl Rose.  He has shitted on everyone of us, and also on our heroes.  He continues to deceive fans into believing he's making something really special, but I am not fooled.  By the time this fucking Chinese Democracy does come out, nobody is going to care anymore.  It never will see the light of day, though.  Axl may have made the old GNR interesting, but Slash is the one who made them great.  Axl deserves to be ignored.  Slash, Duff, and Matt are ready to rock again, and they deserve our attention, so let's give it to them.  I'm excited to hear from my old friends again.

Sorry for the long rant, but these are things that need to be said.

Even if Axl didnt use the name he still would be given these expecations because some people still think that Axl is the reason why the band has broken up. So as a result, even if he called the band somehing else people will still pay attention closely to the material.
You dont think Axl is doing what hes doing for the love of the music? You think hes doing it to make tons of money? If so your dumb. If that was the case Axl would have released a few "new" albums by now using the gnr name just for its name with a bunch of different revolving muscisicans and musical directions. Instead, he could give 2 shits about his public image and has been working night and day with a band in making a few great albums. And promises to release material that meets the old standards or surpasses them. Whether you think they can do that or not is your opinion but thats what theyve been doing. How is that not love for music?
Once again we have a CD misconception. Just because you think OMG is a techno song doesnt mean it is. Its not. Its a song with a lot of different elemets. It didnt do well because it wasnt promoted, it didnt have a video and their was no album or follow up singles to back it up. It was just released because it was a song they had that fit the movie. SO they put it out.
CD is not going to be a nin album. Stop saying that bullshit.
Axl is hanging onto the name because in his mind gnr havnt ended. Some of the players decided not to evolve and continue using their great talents so he has moved on with anothe rband. A band that has been working on material since 98/99. A band that promises to deliver.
You have me laughing on this one.
First off you cant say whats in his mind. But i can tell you what he has said regarding the old members. He has said they are great and thier work with gnr are great and shouldnt be forgotten. He has never once put down their talents are capabilities. Axl has always been the leader of the old lineup and new lineup. He is the guy that has gotten the old band from A to Z. Even the old members have acknowledge that.
Your whole paragrapgh shows how ignorant and misinformed you are. In terms of the popularity this will sum it up fo you....I cant find the exact quote but it was in an article on this site..Axl has said when they used to go to the airports people would just come up to him and people would just have Axl related signs and the old members would say, what are we lenolium?
People love the old members. But it doesnt compare to Axl Rose. They are rock legends, particulary slash than duff, Axl is a rock god. Theres a big difference.
How come Slash hasnt done well as a solo artist if he is this respected,loved icon? it only goes so far my friend. The interest that comes with Axl doesnt even compare with the old members.Axl is more hated becasue of his behavior and attitude. People hate the best. People want to see the best fail. That is why Axl is hated.
This isnt a fukin popularity contest buddy. Who cares who is hated and who is loved. If your denying Axls talents then it just shows your ignorance. BUt who cares.
Slash has been the biggest public whore for the longest time. Its cool that he talks all the time and plays with everyone and their mom. But he is a rock legend. He isnt supposed to do that stuff. Just because he loves the public spotlight, or just loves to "jam" doesnt mean he is better than axl.
Axl has decided to remain low all these years working on putting out more great music. He will let the music speak for itself when it comes out. Its obvious who lacked that attention when the old lineup was around.

Are you kidding? I cant stop laughing. Even the slash loyalist on thses boards wouldnt say somethig as dumb as that. God forbid i said the same thing and replaced itw ith axl. I would be called an axl loyalist forever. I really cant stop laughing.

First off peopel can say what they want but this site is here and people still come here for one reason only. Axl rose and what he will do in the fututre. WHile your here you talk about the old band. But their wouldnt be this interent community if it wasnt for axl rose. There wouldnt be any gnr message boards if axl left the name and made a new one. Gnr would have been dead a long time ago.
No1 has doubted teh talents of the old band. So why u keep bringing it up i ahve no clue. Why you dont reconize axls talents i have no clue. Believe it or not, Axl is a nice guy too. Read the articles since 94. They all talk about the different Axl. The mellow Axl who is a sincere and genuine person. The axl who loves kids and does things for kids. Im not saying he isnt a dick. Im sure he is. But so what? Point is Axl isnt quite the asshole you are making him out to be. But it doesnt matter because he doesnt care what peopel liek you think otherwise he wouldnt have remained silent all of these years.
I hate to break it to ya but Axl was a pretty big reason why gnr was huge. If your gonna deny that your pretty much an asshole.
Yes, he does think the old guys betrayed him or stabbed him in the back. Thats his view of the situation. Its not right or wrong. Just liek the old members view of the situation is neither right or wrong. How has he shitted on the old band? Aside from a press release where he actaully praised them and a handful of rants where he has expressed his dislike for some of them because what they have done how does he betray the. Im alsways seeing Slash and duff talk about  axl and his crazy ways. No1 says anything though. But when axl makes a comment.everyone drops what their doing and jumps on him. U know why? People pay attetion to what axl says. People hate axl people love axl. like i said peopel wanna see the best fail.

That extreme, self centered ego maniac lead his band to the top and into rock history. That same man will do it again in a new era wiht a different band. Even the people that wanna see him fail know deep down inside  that theres a slight chance that he and his band could might very well have put together a masterpiece.

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Wowwwww. Firstly they arent studio muscians. If they were studio or session muscians they would be on tour or in the band.
Your whole paragrapgh, much of this whole post is so ignorant and dumb. Im not even gonna bust out the quotes about how it is to work with axl. Yea, ya, we know its only cause there gettin paid.

Working with Axl Rose has got to be one of the most tiring and stressful experiences a musician could ever undertake, and the veteran Stinson isn't getting any younger.  The ever-loyal Dizzy Reed will stick around, but the rest of these guys have just got to be at the end of their rope at this point.  It's 2004, and all of these guys - except Dizzy - could easily be playing with somebody else.  
Well lets figure this out. They have been a band since 99 and bucket came in like 2000. Thats 4 yrs. They have been together for 4 yrs. They all could have easily left if it was so bad. Bro just read all the quotes. It will show how much of an idiot you are. And show what you say is totally false. But its ok keep painting a bad picture. If it makes you smile and relish the old band even more go for it.

You didnt disappoint for this paragrapgh either. Thats fine if you wanna see vr do well. I wanna see them do well too. They are extremely talented.
VR will rock gnr will rock the world its as simple as that.
Wowwwwwww agaion. you are on a fukin roll. All im gonna say is god forbid i said the same thing with axl instead of the others. This board would jump all over me. I cant stop laughing. WHo are you? Your a funny dude.
i HAve no energy to respond to your psts. they have me crakin up.
Ill ask you this though...
What if CD is a masterpiece? What if CD is considered to be better than afd? What if this new band puts out 3 incredible albums? WHat if this band at the very least is th eleader in the rock genre for the next few years.? Then what? What does that say about all of your beloved old members? Does it mean they couldnt have done it without axl? DOes it take away some of their greatness?......

God help you and this board when cd is finally released and is a masterpiece. This ignorant and absurd post has inspired me to write one great big post when that day comes. While you just said shit out of you ass and made up shit i will have proof why Axl fukin rose shits all over the old members.
This is the most ignorant and non objective post ive ever read on these boards. If i wrote something half liek this that was for the new band i would instantely be labeld a loyalist and everything else. Not even the likes of dizzy and booker would say or agree to half the hsit you said in this post. That is why i respect those slash supporters. Because for the most part they are objective. You clearly arent and its clear you have an agenda towards axl rose. Did he throw you out of a concert or something when you were a lil boy? You gave me a good laugh. If i wasnt so lazy i could have went and looked for about a million wuotes that would make every paragraph of yours fall straight to the ground. But im too lazy and plus you are beating a dead horse. We all knwo the complaints. But yours was the most ignorant and unobjective ive ever read. Job well done.

It dont really matter cause your gonna find out for yourself motherfucka....

Boy, YoungGunner, you sure are one frustrated individual.  I wholeheartedly admit that I am a Slash loyalist, and an Izzy loyalist, and a Duff loyalist.  I'm loyal to all the original Guns N' Roses members, and Matt Sorum, as well.  You know, I don't recall saying anywhere in my post that Axl wasn't a huge reason why the old GNR was successful.  Obviously he was.  In his prime, nobody was better.  I've been a fan of the guy since I was 10 years old and Appetite For Destruction was huge, and that is exactly why I am so god-damn disappointed with him now.  Like you, I wanted to see him succeed, but he hasn't, plain and simple.  Just think of all the rotten things this man has done in public over the years.  Jumping into the crowd and beating up a fan in St. Louis simply because the poor kid had the gall to take a picture of him.  Showing up late to shows, both during the classic era and on the 2002 tour, every single night.  Or walking off stage in the middle of a performance, which he has done on several occasions.  Or worse yet, not showing up at all, which is what led to Clear Channel pulling the plug last time around.  Fans paid good money to see him, and he didn't come through.  Granted, none of us know him personally, but how you or anyone else can deny he is a first-class asshole, I don't know.  I won't even get into the way he treated his ex-wife and former girlfriends.

As far as Chinese Democracy being a masterpiece, we'll just have to wait and see about that.  I don't think it's ever going to be released, but I do hope I'm wrong.  Like anyone else, I'll be interested to hear whatever new material he's got.  Geffen Records is already frustrated as all hell with the guy, which is why they released the Greatest Hits package without Axl's consent.  How much longer is he going to make them wait for any new material before they tell him to take a hike?  Millions of people, including many on this board, are laughing at Axl right now, and for good reason.  Not only does he continue to be as big an asshole as ever, the man can't even sing most nights anymore.  The 2002 VMA performance, a mere eight minutes in length, proved that.  Frankly, he sounded like he was dying out there that night.  This did not go unnoticed by most people, as you must know.  He did have some good performances on the 2002 tour, but on other nights he just didn't have it.  

His credibility with the public is shot, something you seem to acknowledge in your overly-defensive attitude.  As great as Chinese Democracy MIGHT be - it could also be a big steaming pile of shit, we'll just never know unless he actually puts it out - nobody is going to pay to see him in concert this time around.  He's proven that he cannot be trusted.  Even if he actually shows up, one would be lucky to get a good performance out of him.  Furthermore, who the hell is going to want to promote his shows?  Certainly Clear Channel is not going to want anything to do with him again, not after losing MILLIONS on the last debacle.  Why would any venue want to book him after seeing what happened in Vancouver and Philadelphia?  The bottom line is, Axl is done as a big-time concert act, regardless of the quality of his new material.

YoungGunner, if you want to keep on believing some fairy tale about Axl Rose, go right ahead, but do not brand me - or anybody else - as "ignorant" or as a "motherfucker" because I feel betrayed by him.  No, I do not think Axl is capable of creating a "masterpiece."  Anyway, all people want is one good rock n'roll record.  Velvet Revolver?s record will not be second coming of Appetite For Destruction, and that's okay.  It's going to rock, and that's all anyone can ask for or expects.  Until I'm proven otherwise, I'm standing by what I say.  If Axl doesn't give a shit about the people who made him rich and famous - whether it be us the fans or his former bandmates - then he can go to hell.

[wave] Hey SunKing278,

Time to come clean.........which ex member of GNR are you? ;)


 ;D

Who cares what he does? If you dont liek that dont listen to gnr. Thats part of the gig. You cant hadle axls behavior dont watch. And dont actr liek the old members are angels dude. Their incidents dont get publicized but they wer ejust as bad. They were heavily involved with drugs, bad behavior and girls. They lived in the same grit and grime Axl lived. They peeded on airplanes cursed at reporters and other shit. Im not defending Axls behavior at all. BUt why bring it up. I could care less what he soes when it doesnt concern music.

All i know is that when i go to a gnr concert I know that they will come on late and i know there is a 1% chance they wont show. Its as simple as that. If you cant handle that or think its not appropriate dont buy the tickets and dont go.

Good for them. BUt they arent laughing at what im most concerned about. The music. You dont htink it will be released, i think it will. And when it does that is when I will take what people think about gnr and axl seriously. I could give 2 shits about how gnr is percieved when it doesnt concern the music. Im not in this for brownie points. If you are go see VR.
The funny thing is that gnr are a laughing stock because they have decided not to say much. Instead of giving the public updates or whatver they have remained quiet and let everyone either bash them or just wait. They could care less so why should i? Its about the music. So if the music kicks your ass thats all that counts.
Then those same people will be rockin gtheir heads. Great music changes a lot of things my friend. People hated old gnr just as well. People hated their horrible behavior and attitude. But GNr was able to get past that because of THE MUSIC.  Thats why your whole Axl is a horrible person thing is lame. NO1 cares if the music is good.

Not only does he continue to be as big an asshole as ever, the man can't even sing most nights anymore.  The 2002 VMA performance, a mere eight minutes in length, proved that.  Frankly, he sounded like he was dying out there that night.  This did not go unnoticed by most people, as you must know.  He did have some good performances on the 2002 tour, but on other nights he just didn't have it.  
I agree the last tour his overall performance was inconsistent. Some night he sounded great some night spotty. The band sounded fine on all nights. It was his first tour in friggen 10 yrs. Is he allowed to get back in touring shape?

As for the vmas thing. He wasnt his best. we know that. He was ok. SOme spots he was fine others he wasnt. It was all adrenaline. Imagine your out of the public eye for a decade and then bam your right back in the spotlight on one of the biggest award shows in front of your peers. Maybe a little nerves?Just a thought. The band rocked that night thats for sure.
How is it shot? The public could give two shits about the whole gnr situation. The casual fan is not wrapped up in axl rose ort old or new gnr. The casual fan wants good music. So if CD gives them good music, they will be on line buying the album or going to watch them. Its as simple as that. They will embrace the new band and its members as theirs and not get bent out of shape about the old vs new. Ill guarentee you that. If the music is good people dont care.

Cd could very well be a steaming pile of shit. It also could be a materpiece and make you and the old members look like a pile of shit ;}
 Touring will not be a problem. Next time they tour it will be to support cd. So if cd is a success they will have a bunch of new fans that do not have an agenda towards axl. If the material is good the old fans will also go.

Dude no1 cares about public perception. Its about the fukin music. You have every right to tell us about how bad gnr have failed in the pr department over the eyars. We know that. BUt guess what. All of that will go away when the last note of cd is heard. Just like that bam. Good music cures a lot of things my friend.


Awww poor baby. I brand you a slash loyalist and you cry. You fukin pussy.  People throw around Axl loyalist around like its nothing liek here, do you see me crying. Who cares.

And your very ignorant. Look at your last 2 posts. They are the most funny yet absurd posts ive ever read. Its pathetic. I have no respect for a person like you. I dont agree with many "slash supporters" on this board but i have a lot of respect for them because they know what their talking about and dont talk out fo their ass.

You feel betrayed? What the fuck did axl owe you in the first place. You have problems if you feel betrayed by a rock star.

Thats totally fine. Theres many people that agree. Theres also many people that do think he can. Guess what. The music will decide that.


SUre it ok. Not many albums will be the second coming of AFD. While you settle for less, Ill settle for the best. Because thats what GNr was and is about. Being the best. So while gnr shoots for the fukin stars, you can go listen to vr who just wanna "jam". And theres nothin wrong with that. But dont act like thats the way it should be.

There is no definition to rock. Thats the problem. You have this idea of rock. ROck is something different and rocks. Its not by the book. There is no rule book for rnr. Thats why i laugh when you tell me everything that is wrong about axl and gnr. Its funny because the old band was the most chaotic unorganized group of people in the world. Rock has no rules. You make the rules.

LOl. Bro you have serious problems. What concert did axl throw u out at?
Why do you care about what axl thinks of the old guys? And how doesnt he care about his fans? If he didnt care he would have ruined the gnr name a long time ago by releasing a bunch of albums that are aimless and have a millions members. Instead he has worked night and day for years in making the best few albums he can make. Instead he has devcoted his fukin life to the future of gnr.

Just because he doesnt handle things properly doesnt mean he doesnt like his fans or appreciate them. Just because he hasnt released anything yet because you or any1 else feels it should be out doesnt mean dick.

Gnr have and always will do things on their own terms. Gnr have and always will be a circus, a soap opera. Gnr has and awlays will make meanigful music.

If you want a band that goes by the rules then go somewhere else dude. If you cant handle the heat get out of the kitchen you lil bitch. Go support VR. I could care less. This isnt a  vr board. So if your agenda is to bash axl then you truly have no life. There are plenty of other bands out there and there are plenty of vr boards out there. Go support them. I dont go to bands i despise and bash them its gay.

Thanks for another round of good laughs. You didnt dissapoint. You have every reason to knock the way this band has done things over the years. If it makes you cream in your pants more power to ya. WHile you have your fun now ill have my fun later when GNR's music kicks the whole rock world and people like you right square in the mouth.

lol your too funny dude. peace

YoungGunner, you are truly proving yourself to be a classless person, much like your idol.  Not only that, you've taken most everything I've written out of context and turned into it something you want to hear.  Apparently you get a kick out of going online and calling people "pussies" or whatever, but you don't know me from a hole in the wall.  So just shut the fuck up!  Anyway, you're the one who's setting himself up for major disappointment when Axl doesn't deliver with his stupid NIN-wannabe crap.  I'm all about the REAL Guns N'Roses, but they're long and gone now and only the memories remain.  Those memories, along with Velvet Revolver, are why I'm here.  I'm not going to continue attempting to have an intelligent conversation with someone so blind to reality.

SunKing...you'll soon be able to bury your frustrations with GnR.  I'm convinced that in the next few months...we WILL have a release date announced.  Axl seemed very sincere in his press release...he's been working day and night to finish C.D...and work out the setbacks that BH has caused him.  

My friends, in a few months...Rio will be the furthest thing from your minds....and we'll finally be able to turn our attention to a wonderful sound...the sounds of Chinese Democracy approaching on the horizon.

Chinese Democracy...coming soon...its gonna rock your ass off, too...

Whetehr online or in person i would still call you a pussy. I dont get a kick out of that i get a kick out of you non objective and ignorant posts. So until you shut the fuck up then i wont shut the fuck up....
Im not setting up anything that Axl and the band cant accomplish or handle. They have been working on material for a number of years. People who have heard the material say its great. How is that setting up. Gnr will always shoot for the stars. They are unique yet the best. So liek i said while you settle for average music I will expect the best. You nor i is right. So stop talking like vr is some great band. Its your opinion, fine. To me they are average. Its an opinion.

How am i not in touch with reality? Because i think this new band can have success?I just dont get it. But liek i said, have your fun now, ill have my fun later when the music is out. When you get slash dick out of your ass and mouth then come talk about old or new gnr. Then maybe you can be objective and fair. till then keep swallowing that special cream.

Just to interject, it wasn't a kid.  It was a grown man, a biker.  Although the reason that Axl attacked him for to this day, doesn't really make sense.  

Sunking278 you get my vote dude!

I agree with everything youve said,
And as for axls statement,about a release date in the next few months, dont hold your breath folks,i seem to remember a certain red headed fella` saying something like " well be back next year with a whole bunch of new songs! and well have a single out in the summer!, and chinese democracy starts NOW! ...........

What a fucking joke! ! !

R.I.P. axls credibility, its gone. : ok:

Thanks, man, I appreciate it


And he has only himself to blame