the guy who claimed to here studio version back in sept 06 might be right

[1987]

there was an old thread where a guy from mygnr claimed to here studio versions of the blues maddy, and cd.. the thread went on and on.. but i didn't believe him.. but.. http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=36220.0

look what he wrote about madagascar.

"Next was Madagascar. THIS song is fucking amazing, studio! Again, rasp, control, high and low notes. And it does have all those MLK etc. clips that we've all heard. How do I know that this was Studio and not live? Because at the end of the song where we've heard Finck sing back up vocals, it was Axl himself singing them in his higher pitched voice and, of course, he sang the main lyrics in his low voice."

sounds pretty spot on.. guess this guy was telling the truth after all..  maybe what ever that guy heard was the source of the latests drama.  he also said that Chinese Democracy and the blues were on the same cd.. interesting

[Lucky]

it's bullshit.
if he really heard it, he would have mentioned the characteristic "differences"...
not the bullshit about voice. There's obviously more noticeable differences about the song than the "high/low" pitch.

[TurboTravis]

IBTD-In Before The Delete

[1987]

what about the part about the end?
 "How do I know that this was Studio and not live? Because at the end of the song where we've heard Finck sing back up vocals, it was Axl himself singing them in his higher pitched voice and, of course, he sang the main lyrics in his low voice"

thats exactly how it sounds..    i wouldn't have bother stiring this up.. but i was pretty surprised when i listend to the end of it.. and it was exactly how this guy described it..

[Lucky]

damn dude...
we're not suposed to talk about madagascar

[gandra]

next gnr would be "Jarmo democracy"

[WARose]

i don`t believe him, because he said he listened to exactely this version.....

[GNRreunioneventually]

is that dude talking about the leak from the other day? because to be honest i pray that that aint the final versioin. 

[CheapJon]

is that dude talking about the leak from the other day? because to be honest i pray that that aint the final versioin.?

it's not

The track in question is yet another unfinished demo.

This is not the final version.



/jarmo

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=44675.0

[estrangedpaul]

it's bullshit.
if he really heard it, he would have mentioned the characteristic "differences"...
not the bullshit about voice. There's obviously more noticeable differences about the song than the "high/low" pitch.

What do you mean? The most obvious difference is Axl singing the backing vocals in the outro instead of Finck - that's what he originally claimed back in September and he was right.

[GNRreunioneventually]

is that dude talking about the leak from the other day? because to be honest i pray that that aint the final versioin.?

it's not

The track in question is yet another unfinished demo.

This is not the final version .



/jarmo

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=44675.0

Ohhhh Thank God  i can rest easy now

[gandra]

leak from yesterday is great

I like everything on that song
very strong,powerfull song,and axl vocal is great

[Robman?]

leak from yesterday is great

I like everything on that song
very strong,powerfull song,and axl vocal is great

yesterday?

it was thursday.

[gandra]

leak from yesterday is great

I like everything on that song
very strong,powerfull song,and axl vocal is great

yesterday?

it was thursday.

i heard it yesterday

it is promising song,very very promising

[SlashRock]

damn dude...
we're not suposed to talk about madagascar

How come?? This is a GnR board and a GnR song has leaked. Surely that's what a GnR board is for? Discussion.? ??

Yeh I saw that thread ages ago and thought it was BS but who knows eh..?

[kyrie]

The first rule of Madagascar is: Do not talk about Madagascar.
The second rule of...

I am Jarmo's banned thread.

[Lucky]

it's bullshit.
if he really heard it, he would have mentioned the characteristic "differences"...
not the bullshit about voice. There's obviously more noticeable differences about the song than the "high/low" pitch.

What do you mean? The most obvious difference is Axl singing the backing vocals in the outro instead of Finck - that's what he originally claimed back in September and he was right.

that's because Axl cant sing the lead and the backing vocals at the same time.

and it's 50/50 chance that Axl will or will not play the vocals.


the guy should have mentioned the violins in the intro/outro...
that's something you could not guess by pure chance.

[estrangedpaul]

it's bullshit.
if he really heard it, he would have mentioned the characteristic "differences"...
not the bullshit about voice. There's obviously more noticeable differences about the song than the "high/low" pitch.

What do you mean? The most obvious difference is Axl singing the backing vocals in the outro instead of Finck - that's what he originally claimed back in September and he was right.

that's because Axl cant sing the lead and the backing vocals at the same time.

and it's 50/50 chance that Axl will or will not play the vocals.


the guy should have mentioned the violins in the intro/outro...
that's something you could not guess by pure chance.

Well obviously he can't sing them both at the same time, but presumably most would have predicted Finck to be doing backing vocals in the studio as well or at the very least Axl in a low key. In addition Finck sings them very low key whereas Axl sings them very high-key (he could have sang them low key) so that is another obvious difference. I know Finck can't sing that high, but that doesn't Axl mean Axl would have sang them in a high key. You'd have to be very lucky to get that right by poor chance.

[inho]

damn dude...
we're not suposed to talk about madagascar

How come?? This is a GnR board and a GnR song has leaked. Surely that's what a GnR board is for? Discussion.? ??

are you being sarcastic?

[1987]

is that dude talking about the leak from the other day? because to be honest i pray that that aint the final versioin. 

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=36220.0 he was talking about a bunch of songs that he heard back in sept.. that he thought were studio versions.  at the time it sounded like complete bs.. but after i reread his description of the maddy he heard.. i believe that he really did hear studio version.. weather or not they were demos or final mixes.. i have no idea.. my guess is that the demos that are circulating are the same that he heard.. if that is true then maybe leaks of the blues and cd will be next.  i'm just making a guess. based on the info that we all have..

[GNRfan2008]

He also mentioned the rasp. I don't think any of us expected a studio version (regardless of whether it's a demo or not) to have such heavy rasp.

[Lucky]

Well obviously he can't sing them both at the same time, but presumably most would have predicted Finck to be doing backing vocals in the studio as well or at the very least Axl in a low key. In addition Finck sings them very low key whereas Axl sings them very high-key (he could have sang them low key) so that is another obvious difference. I know Finck can't sing that high, but that doesn't Axl mean Axl would have sang them in a high key. You'd have to be very lucky to get that right by poor chance.

well, most would probably predict it, but anyone who'd think a little better would notice, that Finck(and others) do backing vocals on Better, TWAT and IRS live... and yet, on the demos, it's still only Axl. So if there's a pattern on those songs, it's logical Axl'd do be doing back vocals on the other songs as well, including madagascar.

and how come he didnt mention the violins?! That's a distinguishing feature, that stands out! And no "lucky guess" could predict those...


I also predict, that Blues backing vocals would also have Axl... singing in a high key...

[cpaxlvacy]

Well obviously he can't sing them both at the same time, but presumably most would have predicted Finck to be doing backing vocals in the studio as well or at the very least Axl in a low key. In addition Finck sings them very low key whereas Axl sings them very high-key (he could have sang them low key) so that is another obvious difference. I know Finck can't sing that high, but that doesn't Axl mean Axl would have sang them in a high key. You'd have to be very lucky to get that right by poor chance.

well, most would probably predict it, but anyone who'd think a little better would notice, that Finck(and others) do backing vocals on Better, TWAT and IRS live... and yet, on the demos, it's still only Axl. So if there's a pattern on those songs, it's logical Axl'd do be doing back vocals on the other songs as well, including madagascar.

and how come he didnt mention the violins?! That's a distinguishing feature, that stands out! And no "lucky guess" could predict those...


I also predict, that Blues backing vocals would also have Axl... singing in a high key...

in the Better Demo Tommy does the vocals on the chorus..."You know i know better etc etc..."

[Lucky]

I think it's all Axl.
Axl has a broad range...

[loretian]

and how come he didnt mention the violins?! That's a distinguishing feature, that stands out! And no "lucky guess" could predict those...

Forgive me if I'm missing something here, but aren't those violins synths in all the live versions from 2006 on?

[Lucky]

yeah, but here they are high volume.
during the tour, they were pretty discrete.

[loretian]

yeah, but here they are high volume.
during the tour, they were pretty discrete.

They seemed pretty loud to me when I was at the concerts, but maybe most bootlegs didn't pick them up very well.

[CAFC Nick]

Was that the guy who heard it blasting out of Interscope/Geffen Towers? I believed him. The phone clip he had of the Blues was proof in my book.

[lastroots]

Things are weird. Even though it was confirmed to me and others (and I guess to Jarmo as well) that the recent leak is indeed the album version (mixed but not mastered) I still think that there are spots that make me believe it is a demo. The vocals and the guitar mix are not what I would expect of the usual Axl Rose perfectionism.

The whole thing is really puzzling me.

I'd hope for a comment from either darknemus or the guy from gnrsucks about the source of these recordings.

[Ali]

Things are weird. Even though it was confirmed to me and others (and I guess to Jarmo as well) that the recent leak is indeed the album version (mixed but not mastered) I still think that there are spots that make me believe it is a demo. The vocals and the guitar mix are not what I would expect of the usual Axl Rose perfectionism.

The whole thing is really puzzling me.

I'd hope for a comment from either darknemus or the guy from gnrsucks about the source of these recordings.

The recent leak is NOT the album version.  Where are you getting that from?  Both Jarmo and BBF said as much.

Ali

[kingoffspring]

Things are weird. Even though it was confirmed to me and others (and I guess to Jarmo as well) that the recent leak is indeed the album version (mixed but not mastered) I still think that there are spots that make me believe it is a demo. The vocals and the guitar mix are not what I would expect of the usual Axl Rose perfectionism.

The whole thing is really puzzling me.

I'd hope for a comment from either darknemus or the guy from gnrsucks about the source of these recordings.

The recent leak is NOT the album version.  Where are you getting that from?  Both Jarmo and BBF said as much.

Ali

yea thats was my thinking to. but you say this is the final version or is some april fools crap.

[lastroots]

Nope. Just passing along what I got.

What did Bumble say? Seems I missed that. But at least since Dizzys comment on Better I don't tend to believe anything anymore that comes from the band itself...

[Megaguns]

look he also said that Chinese Democracy and the blues were on the same cd.. interesting

That makes sense, click properties on the track and its listed as track 3, I guess this means we will have more leaks soon....

[Voodoochild]

God people, think a little...

Axl doing the backing vocals is kinda an obvious bet. I thought about that, why wouldn't the guy think too?

The rasp voice? Well, take a listen to the Boston 2002 promo. Is the exact same recording of the leak, and hey - there's rasp!

The guy also told he heard Better in the building and, as far as we know, the cd source of the leak has only 3 songs.

The first thing he would say about Madagascar is the different tempo he uses in the beginning. Since he "forgot" to mention that, I think is hard to believe... But one thing he said makes sense:

"I also noticed that The Blues and Madagascar end on the same exact note/sound effect. It's that backwards sounding effect that I think we've heard live."

I believe this sound would be the violins/orchestra effect in the very ending. The Blues finish this way too, with the same effect, but more noticeable live in 2002. And Madagascar, as far as I know, never had in live performances this effect as the last sound of the song..

But still, I don't believe in that guy.

[ppbebe]

me either. besides, whether he did or not, it's all the same.

Even though it was confirmed to me and others (and I guess to Jarmo as well) that the recent leak is indeed the album version (mixed but not mastered)

confirmed to you and others By who?

I tend to think the band knows about their things more than darknemus or the guy from gnrsucks  does.

[Bartlet]

Well obviously he can't sing them both at the same time, but presumably most would have predicted Finck to be doing backing vocals in the studio as well or at the very least Axl in a low key. In addition Finck sings them very low key whereas Axl sings them very high-key (he could have sang them low key) so that is another obvious difference. I know Finck can't sing that high, but that doesn't Axl mean Axl would have sang them in a high key. You'd have to be very lucky to get that right by poor chance.

well, most would probably predict it, but anyone who'd think a little better would notice, that Finck(and others) do backing vocals on Better, TWAT and IRS live... and yet, on the demos, it's still only Axl. So if there's a pattern on those songs, it's logical Axl'd do be doing back vocals on the other songs as well, including madagascar.

and how come he didnt mention the violins?! That's a distinguishing feature, that stands out! And no "lucky guess" could predict those...


I also predict, that Blues backing vocals would also have Axl... singing in a high key...

in the Better Demo Tommy does the vocals on the chorus..."You know i know better etc etc..."

No he doesnt. Theres absolutely no evidence for that and anyone who thinks thats out of axls range needs to think again.

[Bartlet]

Things are weird. Even though it was confirmed to me and others (and I guess to Jarmo as well) that the recent leak is indeed the album version (mixed but not mastered) I still think that there are spots that make me believe it is a demo. The vocals and the guitar mix are not what I would expect of the usual Axl Rose perfectionism.

The whole thing is really puzzling me.

I'd hope for a comment from either darknemus or the guy from gnrsucks about the source of these recordings.

The recent leak is NOT the album version.? Where are you getting that from?? Both Jarmo and BBF said as much.

Ali

Which song are you guys talkin about...?

[GNRreunioneventually]

is that dude talking about the leak from the other day? because to be honest i pray that that aint the final versioin.?

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=36220.0 he was talking about a bunch of songs that he heard back in sept.. that he thought were studio versions.? at the time it sounded like complete bs.. but after i reread his description of the maddy he heard.. i believe that he really did hear studio version.. weather or not they were demos or final mixes.. i have no idea.. my guess is that the demos that are circulating are the same that he heard.. if that is true then maybe leaks of the blues and cd will be next.? i'm just making a guess. based on the info that we all have..

i know i remember seeing that posted i believed him but not totally. and after that post didn't jarmo or some one say he was full of shit? i dont remember. And cds intro already leaked i thought it was good and the Blues, if it leaks, i hope doesn't have Axl singing like he has a damn frog in his throat. Those songs are to good for them to be sang like that, clean and crisp is what it should sound like imo.

[Lucky]

God people, think a little...

Axl doing the backing vocals is kinda an obvious bet. I thought about that, why wouldn't the guy think too?

The rasp voice? Well, take a listen to the Boston 2002 promo. Is the exact same recording of the leak, and hey - there's rasp!

The guy also told he heard Better in the building and, as far as we know, the cd source of the leak has only 3 songs.

The first thing he would say about Madagascar is the different tempo he uses in the beginning. Since he "forgot" to mention that, I think is hard to believe... But one thing he said makes sense:

"I also noticed that The Blues and Madagascar end on the same exact note/sound effect. It's that backwards sounding effect that I think we've heard live."

I believe this sound would be the violins/orchestra effect in the very ending. The Blues finish this way too, with the same effect, but more noticeable live in 2002. And Madagascar, as far as I know, never had in live performances this effect as the last sound of the song..

But still, I don't believe in that guy.

it's had finding people who think these days...
they'd believe anything.

[Stonerose]

So are we allowed to talk about what we're not allowed to talk about? i posted about it in a thread yesterday and the thread was deleted. lol, this is like nazi germany! Only half serious.

[Mr. Redman]

Vics is on the up n' up - I was the one who he sent the picture and tried to send the video to.

[WeHeldTogether]

that was one of the biggest differences for me in the song - the fact that axl was singing those lines.  however, he also could have mentioned that the vocals were doubled in some parts, that was pretty big too.

he may be lying, he may not...who knows.

[GNRforever10]

Axl is ''AWSOME'' all of GNR songs are good! Madagascar is anazing what can I say Axl will always put out a fantastic album no matter what! I love GNR in every era.

[Jim Bob]

I believed him the day he posted it. 

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The second rule of...

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