Chinese Democracy (Album) - Charting

[GypsySoul]

All though I generally agree with you Jarmo, Axl DOES have the final say.  Perhaps he should kick up a little more dust, gaining public and media support, when things such as promotion dont go his way...

I GOT A GREAT IDEA HOW HE CAN DO THAT!!! 
Maybe to gain public support, he could try something like coming on GNR forums and tell his side of the story by talking directly to the fans and answering their questions for hours and hours and hours at a time .......  And then maybe, just maybe, he could answer questions from one of those big music media magazines/websites that has been bashing him for the past number of years!!!



On second thought ... nah.   What would anyone possibly have to complain about and blame him for if he was that open and honest?   

[younggunner]

Maybe to gain public support, he could try something like coming on GNR forums and tell his side of the story by talking directly to the fans and answering their questions for hours and hours and hours at a time ....... 

we arent the public. He already has us in the bank. What he did gere was great and beyond the call of duty

And then maybe, just maybe, he could answer questions from one of those big music media magazines/websites that has been bashing him for the past number of years!!!

No one knew Axl was working on repairing broken media relationships prior to the billboard interview or before he began speaking.

[ppbebe]

why no one  is yet to claim the label owes us and to urge that they should do what we want them to do, I wonder.
The customer is always right, right?

[GypsySoul]

we arent the public.

We aren't??     Who are we?? 

He already has us in the bank.

He has?? 
You mustn't read like half the posts on these forums.  Check out the 'bank' of replies in the Wasn't Yesterday Great section.   

[adman2374]

ADZ quote of Axl kind of answers my question.

That's so shocking.

Another question already answered and ignored!

Like I said, GNR is all Axl....from ownership on down. Its his "organization"not the record company Fair or unfair, but thats what happens when you are the owner, gm, manager, and player

I think that's your idea of how things work.

The band has a management company, a record company, probably people who deal with tours etc etc.

But you think Axl does it all by himself...




/jarmo

I completely disagree with you here, but its your opinion, no problem. However, you seem to avoid one HUGE thing that the record company has done. Geffen has invested over 10MM (at least) for the album , so don't go talking about them not spending money or supporting the band. You're claims are just so patently wrong. TO me, you are like a book in the way youo respond and anythng you say really has no credibility.

[ppbebe]

I think the10MM thingy was well explained earlier.   

[Ali]

I think the10MM thingy was well explained earlier.   

Yeah, it wasn't spent as an advance by  Jimmy Iovine and Interscope.  It was given to GN'R by the old Geffen label, before it folded.

Ali

[jarmo]

I think the10MM thingy was well explained earlier.   

You don't have to be the brightest bulb in the box to understand that you can spend money on recording something and still not support the promotion of the same album.

Two different kinds of support.

The involvement from the record company was mentioned by Axl in the Q&A.







/jarmo

[Bodhi]

It is great to see this thing go platinum even without the record company's help....The label really did treat this record as something just to get out there to get the debt off of their books..which is a shame, because this is a GREAT record and if they put a marketing plan together this thing could have sold a ridiculous amount of copies, more than Metallica and AC/DC...if you go on Itunes you will see that the 3 GNR tracks that were released as either singles or in a video game have sold very well...while the rest of the record hasnt sold at all.  Im confident that once songs like "Catcher" or "This I Love", get out there they will sell extremely well too...It is no coincidence that the songs the general public have actually been made aware of are selling great...

[BurningHills]

The negativity on the other boards is really starting to drive me out of my skull.

FACTS:

We're two and a half months in to the album's release.

The album has SOLD gold and has SHIPPED platinum.

"Chinese Democracy" is holding steady at #21 on rock radio.

"Better" GAINED two places this week to move up to #14.

"Street Of Dreams" will be released as the third single soon and will likely be a huge crossover hit for the band.


Yet people are STILL holding on to the notion that somehow this album is a failure. Axl himself has explained the reason for the lack of promotion numerous times now, and some people still don't want to accept the fact that Interscope is to blame on all fronts.


Some of these so-called "fans" are absolutely sickening at this point.

[D]

I just wonder if the label support would've been different had the record came out sooner? Do u think the label in a way has tried to force axl into a reunion so maybe they are trying to cut him off to try and accomplish that?



I agree it takes money for promotion and no artist does that.

I think Axl doesn't do radio tours cause he doesn't want to answer 5000 questions about the old band which is understandable.

[Ali]

The negativity on the other boards is really starting to drive me out of my skull.

FACTS:

We're two and a half months in to the album's release.

The album has SOLD gold and has SHIPPED platinum.

"Chinese Democracy" is holding steady at #21 on rock radio.

"Better" GAINED two places this week to move up to #14.

"Street Of Dreams" will be released as the third single soon and will likely be a huge crossover hit for the band.


Yet people are STILL holding on to the notion that somehow this album is a failure. Axl himself has explained the reason for the lack of promotion numerous times now, and some people still don't want to accept the fact that Interscope is to blame on all fronts.


Some of these so-called "fans" are absolutely sickening at this point.

Don't forget the album has sold 2.6 million copies worldwide, not including digital sales

Ali

[BurningHills]

I just wonder if the label support would've been different had the record came out sooner? Do u think the label in a way has tried to force axl into a reunion so maybe they are trying to cut him off to try and accomplish that?



I agree it takes money for promotion and no artist does that.

I think Axl doesn't do radio tours cause he doesn't want to answer 5000 questions about the old band which is understandable.

"One of the two of us will be dead before there's a reunion." - Axl Rose

Move on, dude. Move...on.

[BurningHills]

The negativity on the other boards is really starting to drive me out of my skull.

FACTS:

We're two and a half months in to the album's release.

The album has SOLD gold and has SHIPPED platinum.

"Chinese Democracy" is holding steady at #21 on rock radio.

"Better" GAINED two places this week to move up to #14.

"Street Of Dreams" will be released as the third single soon and will likely be a huge crossover hit for the band.


Yet people are STILL holding on to the notion that somehow this album is a failure. Axl himself has explained the reason for the lack of promotion numerous times now, and some people still don't want to accept the fact that Interscope is to blame on all fronts.


Some of these so-called "fans" are absolutely sickening at this point.

Don't forget the album has sold 2.6 million copies worldwide, not including digital sales

Ali

You speak the truth, my friend! 

[GNR4L]

Nobody wants a reunion so you know What ! quite bringing it up.

[Ali]

The negativity on the other boards is really starting to drive me out of my skull.

FACTS:

We're two and a half months in to the album's release.

The album has SOLD gold and has SHIPPED platinum.

"Chinese Democracy" is holding steady at #21 on rock radio.

"Better" GAINED two places this week to move up to #14.

"Street Of Dreams" will be released as the third single soon and will likely be a huge crossover hit for the band.


Yet people are STILL holding on to the notion that somehow this album is a failure. Axl himself has explained the reason for the lack of promotion numerous times now, and some people still don't want to accept the fact that Interscope is to blame on all fronts.


Some of these so-called "fans" are absolutely sickening at this point.

Don't forget the album has sold 2.6 million copies worldwide, not including digital sales

Ali

You speak the truth, my friend! 

For the life of me, when I hear that number, I cannot understand how and why people say so definitively that the album is a flop.  In the US, granted, it has not sold so well.  But, the US is not the only place where records are sold.  I'd be willing to bet that by the end of '09, the album will hit 3 million worldwide.

Ali

[cineater]

Ali, it's Feburary sweetie.  That's a month and a half into 09 with only .4 million to go in 10 and half months to be at 3 million by the end of 09. 

You thought we were still at the end of the year didn't you?

[estebanf]

The negativity on the other boards is really starting to drive me out of my skull.

FACTS:

We're two and a half months in to the album's release.

The album has SOLD gold and has SHIPPED platinum.

"Chinese Democracy" is holding steady at #21 on rock radio.

"Better" GAINED two places this week to move up to #14.

"Street Of Dreams" will be released as the third single soon and will likely be a huge crossover hit for the band.


Yet people are STILL holding on to the notion that somehow this album is a failure. Axl himself has explained the reason for the lack of promotion numerous times now, and some people still don't want to accept the fact that Interscope is to blame on all fronts.


Some of these so-called "fans" are absolutely sickening at this point.

Don't forget the album has sold 2.6 million copies worldwide, not including digital sales

Ali

You speak the truth, my friend! 

For the life of me, when I hear that number, I cannot understand how and why people say so definitively that the album is a flop.  In the US, granted, it has not sold so well.  But, the US is not the only place where records are sold.  I'd be willing to bet that by the end of '09, the album will hit 3 million worldwide.

Ali

today, with ZERO promotion, no tour dates and none video clips, CD has sold 2.6 million copies worldwide.

If GNR tours this year, and one or two vids are released, I would say the ammount of copies sold could be duplicated and why not more.

6 million copies worldwide by the end of 2009 if there's some shows and some vids. That's my guess.

[D]

U know, if I had a dollar for everytime someone didn't read my post and commented anyway, I'd be rich as fuck


Did I say anything about wanting a reunion?


I will give u some examples.


Back when Motley Crue fired Vince Neil and got John Corabi, they released an album that didn't sell up to expectation and their tour also didn't sell as well as when Vince was in the band.

U can read it for yourself in the book "The Dirt" they commented on how the label basically told them that until they got Vince back in the band, they wouldn't have any label support. No promo, nothing but what the contract called for them to have and even that was given in small increments.


So don't sit there and post shit like it isn't a possibility that the label could be scheming behind the scenes.

If u are a greedy record label, u would be ignorant to not want to do everything possible to try and get a reunion cause that would be Maximum money.

whatever feelings u have about the old guys, no one can be naive enough to sit here and say that they wouldn't make hundreds of millions of dollars if all were reunited.


SO, I am coming from the record companies possible perspective.  U know, everyone just once in their life should try and step outside of their own way of thinking and try to examine something from a different side.

[erose]

C'mon D, how can we possible read all your posts?

What you are stating is obvious. There would be huge n' quick money in a reunion. I don't know if it pay off in the long run tho, that is def up for discussion.

That said, it's so good that axl have made this thing perfectly clear that he aint never ever going to share a stage with slash ever again. The record company knows that so it's up to them to make money off this anyway. I think they'll take some mone over no money any day of the week.

And unlike crew, gn'r and specially Axl is real and not sell outs.