Question to moderators.

[Kov]

Please, explain in a polite and calm way that why do you have to delete a thread about a fuckin' OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE in a certain subject? I personally think that this is unfair. Answer here, or PM me and delete the thread.

Freedom of speech forever. 

Wishing all the best:
Kov

[Wando]

Because they have to.

[Kov]

And why do they have to?

What forces them to?

It's just irrational. It's not leaked shit, it's just like you couldn't say that it's been said that the album comes out this year.

That statement is even more baseless, it's nothing in writing, it's just something that we've heard last year, and the year before that also. A rumour, so to say. And this is a press release. I don't see the point.

[CheapJon]

maybe they have to because gn'r management forces them

[GNFNRAXL]

I agree with kov. ?We have the right to know. Is it because that thing is not true anymore and that the album will be delayed again?

[JuicySwoos]

Because its a lot more fun to talk about why we can't talk about it.

[GNFNRAXL]

maybe they have to because gn'r management forces them

Then shouldn't they warn a cetain company to not write those things?

[polluxlm]

They have to because managment is trying to limit the backlash of another possible fuckup. Somethings not right, that's the core of these events.

[tibs]

Please, explain in a polite and calm way that why do you have to delete a thread about a fuckin' OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE in a certain subject? I personally think that this is unfair. Answer here, or PM me and delete the thread.

Freedom of speech forever.?

Wishing all the best:
Kov

 

did i miss something? ? was their some PR today ??

if i did can someone at least pm me???

[Kov]

maybe they have to because gn'r management forces them

They can't force them.

How could they force them? They are just the moderators of a fansite. No payment, or anything.

[polluxlm]

maybe they have to because gn'r management forces them

Then shouldn't they warn a cetain company to not write those things?

They probably can't, as a contract has been signed. That's why they're taking these desperate steps.

I'll never make legend with this shit.

[pilferk]

Here's my guess:

jarmo has told the mods to kill all threads about "the subject".

jarmo has been gone, travelling, since the 4th.

Til they can contact jarmo and get his "ruling" (since he is the one with direct contacts to gnr management), all threads on "the subject" are verboten...and maybe even afterwards depending on what management/jarmo decide.

[GNFNRAXL]

They have to because managment is trying to limit the backlash of another possible fuckup. Somethings not right, that's the core of these events.

So we might not get what we were promised? ?Then like I said. ?Management should warn that company to stop releasing certain informations.

[Kov]

Please, explain in a polite and calm way that why do you have to delete a thread about a fuckin' OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE in a certain subject? I personally think that this is unfair. Answer here, or PM me and delete the thread.

Freedom of speech forever.?

Wishing all the best:
Kov

 

did i miss something? ? was their some PR today ??

Look elswhere, but please don't explain it in this topic.

[polluxlm]

They have to because managment is trying to limit the backlash of another possible fuckup. Somethings not right, that's the core of these events.

So we might not get what we were promised? ?Then like I said. ?Management should warn that company to stop releasing certain informations.

This is GN'R, responsible behaviour does not exist in their dictionary.

[GNFNRAXL]

maybe they have to because gn'r management forces them

Then shouldn't they warn a cetain company to not write those things?

They probably can't, as a contract has been signed. That's why they're taking these desperate steps.

I'll never make legend with this shit.

So this should be proof that CD is not coming in 06 right? ?

[polluxlm]

maybe they have to because gn'r management forces them

Then shouldn't they warn a cetain company to not write those things?

They probably can't, as a contract has been signed. That's why they're taking these desperate steps.

I'll never make legend with this shit.

So this should be proof that CD is not coming in 06 right? ?

I wouldn't go that far yet, but it's definately proof that previous plans are changing. Into what remains to be seen.

[Seymour_Duncan]

It seems pretty pathetic that a fan focused forum that used to be a great meeting point for guns fans to share info about their favourite band has become such a big kiss arse to GNR.

I really thought Axl had stopped this ridiculous press control back in the 90's, obviously not. What a shame for a once great site to be reduced to this. HTGTH was THE resource for guns fans, now it is heavily censored so that it is no longer a fansite, more an official site.

Really guys, grow a pair, stop staring up axl's arse & just try & remember why the site was created & what it has become now.

[Kov]

Here's my guess:

jarmo has told the mods to kill all threads about "the subject".

jarmo has been gone, travelling, since the 4th.

Til they can contact jarmo and get his "ruling" (since he is the one with direct contacts to gnr management), all threads on "the subject" are verboten...and maybe even afterwards depending on what management/jarmo decide.

People should use their brains and their judgemental abilities.

And I wonder why no mod has answered so far?

[GNFNRAXL]

maybe they have to because gn'r management forces them

Then shouldn't they warn a cetain company to not write those things?

They probably can't, as a contract has been signed. That's why they're taking these desperate steps.

I'll never make legend with this shit.

So this should be proof that CD is not coming in 06 right? ?

I wouldn't go that far yet, but it's definately proof that previous plans are changing. Into what remains to be seen.

I wish Mysteron could shed some light into all this. 

[polluxlm]

The mods are certainly between a rock and a hard place themselves.

[tibs]

please brothers.....PM me and fill me in on what i missed !!!

^ i was away at lunch and think i missed some news (bad)

[pilferk]

People should use their brains and their judgemental abilities.

And I wonder why no mod has answered so far?

Well....it IS jarmo's site so I can see why they would defer to him on this one, all things considered.

As for no mod answer, no idea. ?Maybe it's because they don't really have one and don't want to say "we're waiting on more info". ?Or maybe it's because it's the same one that appears in the sticky thread. ?But you KNOW they're watching....because the threads now been moved to Administrator feedback.

[GNFNRAXL]

Here's my guess:

jarmo has told the mods to kill all threads about "the subject".

jarmo has been gone, travelling, since the 4th.

Til they can contact jarmo and get his "ruling" (since he is the one with direct contacts to gnr management), all threads on "the subject" are verboten...and maybe even afterwards depending on what management/jarmo decide.

People should use their brains and their judgemental abilities.

And I wonder why no mod has answered so far?

Maybe they can't answer. ?I don't blame them.

[eraser]

have to? forced to? management? what is this...

is it the same for other boards?

damn i only read this one... maybe i should check for an unofficial fan board..


what's next? threads getting deleted if someone says he doesn't like a song?

i mean i understand deleting posts about links to leaks.. but this summer we still could discuss about the leaks.. now there are subjects we can't discuss?

[GNFNRAXL]

have to? forced to? management? what is this...

is it the same for other boards?

damn i only read this one... maybe i should check for an unofficial fan board..


what's next? threads getting deleted if someone says he doesn't like a song?

i mean i understand deleting posts about links to leaks.. but this summer we still could discuss about the leaks.. now there are subjects we can't discuss?

I think there is something that they don't want us to know because it could hurt the current tour.  Sad but perhaps maybe true.

[eraser]

I think there is something that they don't want us to know because it could hurt the current tour.? Sad but perhaps maybe true.

well that's why i prefer unofficial fan boards to official ones..

 

[GNFNRAXL]

I think there is something that they don't want us to know because it could hurt the current tour.? Sad but perhaps maybe true.

well that's why i prefer unofficial fan boards to official ones..

 

So I guess it looks like it is going to be CD in 2007.   

[Kov]

Someone said that htgth has free webspace on sanctuary servers, so gnr camp has influence on this board.

Then I guess fuck gnr management, I'm off to cd.com, bye! ?

[polluxlm]

I think there is something that they don't want us to know because it could hurt the current tour.? Sad but perhaps maybe true.

well that's why i prefer unofficial fan boards to official ones..

 

I do too, but the sad fact is that every GN'R board except for this one pretty much suck. Sure, you can discuss certain things other places, but it gets tiring when there's like 10 posts a day, or just a bunch of teenagers attacking each other. That's why it hurts so much to see this board losing some of it's previous glory. I have no other place to go.

[Grouse]

Someone said that htgth has free webspace on sanctuary servers, so gnr camp has influence on this board.

Then I guess fuck gnr management, I'm off to cd.com, bye! ?

hehe, I always do the same when the fans are being treated like little kids again

[Christos AG]

Well first of all, whoever wants to leave they're free to do it. Bye.

Second, I don't do things because I have to.

The management has asked us to remove all things related to the specific ad. They didn't order us. They can't order us.

We do it because they asked us nicely. Consider it a favour to the band we've loved and I personally owe too much too them.

Unfortunately for those who don't like it it's a rule of the forum, at least until now, and you have to follow it.

As I said in the past, noone's forcing you to stay. You know the rules, feel free to do whatever you want.

However, I'll contact someone and see if we have any more news on the subject...

[GNFNRAXL]

Well first of all, whoever wants to leave they're free to do it. Bye.

Second, I don't do things because I have to.

The management has asked us to remove all things related to the specific ad. They didn't order us. They can't order us.

We do it because they asked us nicely. Consider it a favour to the band we've loved and I personally owe too much too them.

Unfortunately for those who don't like it it's a rule of the forum, at least until now, and you have to follow it.

As I said in the past, noone's forcing you to stay. You know the rules, feel free to do whatever you want.

However, I'll contact someone and see if we have any more news on the subject...

I have nothing against "rules" or the mods Christos.  But am just wondering if this subject is to be taboo because of the record being delayed again.  That's all.  I can't speak for the others but that is my concern.

[Christos AG]

As far as I know, the record is still coming out this year.

[GNFNRAXL]

As far as I know, the record is still coming out this year.

Ok.  Well thanks.

[Kov]

However, I'll contact someone and see if we have any more news on the subject...

Thanks.
Would be appreciated.
 


Sorry, but I keep getting the impression that we are patronized and censored...   

[polluxlm]

However, I'll contact someone and see if we have any more news on the subject..

Well, thanks for answering us, and thanks for trying to clear up some of our questions.

I would also like to say that I don't blame anyone here for the stuff that's happening. You're doing a good job, better than any other place I've been too. Keep it up, but try and have a little bearing with us too, ok. We're all frustrated for the same reasons

[Jim]

My guess is that management still have an 'anything could happen' attitude with regards to officially announcing any release or what have you. This is Guns N' Roses, and I do believe that this album has been slated to be released at several times over the past few years but, for whatever reasons, of course in the end it never was.

Fans would go absolutely nuts if they knew that management, the band or whoever condoned the release of any official article or such that more than hinted at a release this year and then it never happened. I think that it has more to do with limiting our certainty of an imminent release, in effect restraining any potential let dow.....

... Though of course the official line is that it will be released this year, nothing is ever certain and whatever is set to happen has not yet begun, or at least has not supposed to.

And to that end I would hazzard a guess that, as of the moment, the album is still set to be released this year...

[Brody]

because its Jarmos site and he can delete any thread he wants to. Its not up to us!

[polluxlm]

My guess is that management still have an 'anything could happen' attitude with regards to officially announcing any release or what have you. This is Guns N' Roses, and I do believe that this album has been slated to be released at several times over the past few years but, for whatever reasons, of course in the end it never was.

Fans would go absolutely nuts if they knew that management, the band or whoever condoned the release of any official article or such that more than hinted at a release this year and then it never happened. I think that it has more to do with limiting our certainty of an imminent release, in effect restraining any potential let dow.....

... Though of course the official line is that it will be released this year, nothing is ever certain and whatever is set to happen has not yet begun, or at least has not supposed to.

And to that end I would hazzard a guess that, as of the moment, the album is still set to be released this year...

Yes, that makes alot of sense. I totally understand that managment wants to refrain from confirming anything until everything is packed and ready. I though find it strange that they choose to dement every statement that surfaces. Don't they understand that this also creates fury among the fans? I just think the best way to keep everything in limbo is to not do anything. Just let the fans believe what they want. This way they could say they didn't say one thing or the other. It's no wonder that many fans interpet their actions as the record not coming out.

[Mysteron]

As far as I know, the record is still coming out this year.

As far as everyone knows, the record is coming out this year. If anything changes, people will be informed.

With regards to this site, Jarmo chooses to respect with wishes of Guns N' Roses. It is his choice, and it is the way he done things for the last ten years.

It's a shame that when one person chooses to do something good that others choose to criticise it.

[Scabbie]

So lets get this straight:

1. The 'ad' was released too early by the said motorcyle company, then

2. The press release was not run past GNR first?

Weird!

[Scabbie]

As far as I know, the record is still coming out this year.

As far as everyone knows, the record is coming out this year. If anything changes, people will be informed.

At what point? Or are GNR management going to continue to string people along for the rest of the year and potentially set up fans for a major dissapointment?

[the dirt]

As far as everyone knows, the record is coming out this year. If anything changes, people will be informed.

Are you suggesting that it is certain that we will get some kind of announcement that it is not coming out? (if it's not)

Why not say nothing and let 2007 roll around?

[A Private Eye]

As far as everyone knows, the record is coming out this year. If anything changes, people will be informed.

Are you suggesting that it is certain that we will get some kind of announcement that it is not coming out? (if it's not)

Why not say nothing and let 2007 roll around?

They couldn't say nothing at this stage if it isn't going to come out, there have been too many statements confirming an 06 release, if it wasn't to come out in 06 there would have to be some sort of press release saying it's been delayed or whatever, saying nothing and letting 07 roll around would cause a lot of bad feeling from the fans imo.

[GNFNRAXL]

As far as I know, the record is still coming out this year.

As far as everyone knows, the record is coming out this year. If anything changes, people will be informed.

With regards to this site, Jarmo chooses to respect with wishes of Guns N' Roses. It is his choice, and it is the way he done things for the last ten years.

It's a shame that when one person chooses to do something good that others choose to criticise it.

Thanks for the info Mysteron.  Appreciate it.   

[Christos AG]

As far as I know, the record is still coming out this year.

As far as everyone knows, the record is coming out this year. If anything changes, people will be informed.

With regards to this site, Jarmo chooses to respect with wishes of Guns N' Roses. It is his choice, and it is the way he done things for the last ten years.

It's a shame that when one person chooses to do something good that others choose to criticise it.

Thanks man... Somedays I wish you could post a lot more on this forum...

[Acquiesce]

As far as I know, the record is still coming out this year.

As far as everyone knows, the record is coming out this year. If anything changes, people will be informed.

With regards to this site, Jarmo chooses to respect with wishes of Guns N' Roses. It is his choice, and it is the way he done things for the last ten years.

It's a shame that when one person chooses to do something good that others choose to criticise it.

LOL give me a break. Yeah, what he is doing is "good" for management but is it for the good of the people that visit this site?  Obviously it is not when so many fans are left feeling frustrated. This site is turning into a PR piece for management. It's no longer a place  where we can freely express our opinions on the band. We are now only able to discuss topics and make comments that are deemed appropriate by management. Of course you wouldn't see anything wrong with that, though, because you are the ultimate schill for management. 

[LeftToDecay]

Can't even begin to imagine how fustrating this stuff must be for someone who wants to keep very up to date regarding what's happening  in GNR camp.

Actual news not getting posted, discussion of certain rumors/VALID INFORMATION disallowed...No idea at all why this is done.What is certain though is..it's a very annoying and fucked up situation towards a typical GNR fan visiting HTGTH.Wanting to know about and talk about the band he is into. And finds out he can't. IMHO there's something very basic a bit   fucked up in there.
 Just can't understand how anyone can view this as right course of action.Not posting news is one thing...but disallowing entire topics that fans would be dying to talk about..That's just..uhh far out.

[Backslash]

Just out of curiosity... AdZ posted the press release in the news section so does that mean it's allowed to be discussed here?

Oh, and if it can, would we be able to get back one or some of the threads that have "disappeared" over the past few weeks? 

[AdZ]

Discuss the press release?


Go for it.

[Kov]

Discuss the press release?


Go for it.

Hooorraay.

Victory shall be mine.  JK

[inho]

As far as I know, the record is still coming out this year.

As far as everyone knows, the record is coming out this year. If anything changes, people will be informed.

With regards to this site, Jarmo chooses to respect with wishes of Guns N' Roses. It is his choice, and it is the way he done things for the last ten years.

It's a shame that when one person chooses to do something good that others choose to criticise it.

Since general consensus seems to be you guys know what you are talking about I might make a cut out and keep copy of that copy to carry around!

I really think the shows they played so far were great.. the leaked songs are strong material...
I'd love it to be this year.

The only thing I'm not sure about so far is the cover of sailing they did at the show I made it too... Sir Rodney of Stewart of all people.. but I'll let that go!