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Just like Use Your Illusion was used as a way to record and release songs that had been around since before Appetite was released, maybe this was their plan. To get songs they had ready out first. You don't know, I don't know. You don't like it, so you go on about how it can't be true.

"When people show you who they are, believe them". - Maya Angelou

In the past 30 years of this band, roster has undergone some serious changes.  There is one common denominator.  And he calls the shots.

Amongst all those folks that have been in this band in some capacity over those 30 years...they all seem to be able to release things once they get away from his control.  That can't be an accident.

I don't claim to know what goes through the man's head.  I know I would not want to get into a discussion armed with the last 3 decades of his career and argue with a straight face the man is a creative workaholic.

Live performer?  Excellent.  Clearly still digs that very much.  Doing new stuff?  About as welcome to him as a kid told they have to clean their room.

Slash and Duff have apparently already wrote material and likely had Axl listen to it (no point to write stuff if not)

was he into it? that's a question I'd like an answer.
how does it sounds? old Guns? Velvet Revolver? something different?  

and yeah, when can we expect the first post reunion single written by this line up?

Obviously, we got the songs we got so far because Axl opened up the Magical Mystery Vault and they all thought they could do something with some of that they heard.

And I think, overall, that's been good for us, as fans.  I love 'Perhaps'.  Play it all the time.

But musicians, creative people by nature, have not produced one new song in 8 years.  And, I'm sorry, "how do you know they haven't" is just a coping mechanism.  It does not advance the conversation forward, frankly.

Maybe some are just now discovering the song...

You guys ever see those "reaction" videos on YouTube of people hearing songs or bands for the first time?  Do you ever believe them?

Am I truly supposed to believe you have NEVER heard 'Welcome To The Jungle'?  Have you never been to a sporting event?

Again, your version of events makes it seem like they didn't want to do something. Is it possible they wanted to get these songs out before they focused on something else?

8 years, dude.  One of them, locked in our houses for a year with nothing but time and literally zero real life conflicts.

In 8 years time, you find some time.  If you want to.  if you don't, you don't.  And that's all I'm saying.  I'm not saying that's illegitimate, if that's your call..

What I am saying is illegitimate is that you couldn't find a window for even a new piece of music you did, one song...is preposterous.

It's just not a priority for them.  And it's not all part of some masterplan either, 8 years in.

Come on, now.

But you must have missed the fact that during lockdown they were working on those songs...

I know you don't like being reminded that you can't control nor do you really have any idea about what the band thinks.
Sorry to have to remind you of that again.

Just like Use Your Illusion was used as a way to record and release songs that had been around since before Appetite was released, maybe this was their plan. To get songs they had ready out first. You don't know, I don't know. You don't like it, so you go on about how it can't be true.



/jarmo

This is a legacy touring band at this stage of the game.  

not only. we had 5 (very good) new songs since the reunion. it's half an album.
quite a lot, in GNR standard.

Yeah, but just in the form of a fresh coat of paint slapped on demos from 20 years ago, composed by other dudes, long gone.

The reality is that they have been back in communication since 2015 sometime and that has not produced one piece of music.  You just can't shine that up.

To which I say...don't put yourself through it.  This band is no longer a creative entity and has not been for some time.  This is not news.

Stop trying to get blood from a stone, I say.  Just enjoy the shows.

you have to start with something.

it doesn't matter if the songs were co-written by people who aren't in the band anymore, and when.
I wanted The General, I want Monsters, I want Eye On You, because these are great songs.

I don't give a damn if Duff wasn't in the studio when they were composed, or if Slash wrote a pre chorus in 2018 instead of 1996.
these are not fans concerns. I don't care if Roger Waters wrote The Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking for a proposal to Pink Floyd and finally released it as a solo artist.

I understand what you mean by "this band is no longer a creative entity" but we have no clue.

Slash and Duff have apparently already wrote material and likely had Axl listen to it (no point to write stuff if not)

was he into it? that's a question I'd like an answer.
how does it sounds? old Guns? Velvet Revolver? something different? 

and yeah, when can we expect the first post reunion single written by this line up?

Again, your version of events makes it seem like they didn't want to do something. Is it possible they wanted to get these songs out before they focused on something else?

8 years, dude.  One of them, locked in our houses for a year with nothing but time and literally zero real life conflicts.

In 8 years time, you find some time.  If you want to.  if you don't, you don't.  And that's all I'm saying.  I'm not saying that's illegitimate, if that's your call..

What I am saying is illegitimate is that you couldn't find a window for even a new piece of music you did, one song...is preposterous.

It's just not a priority for them.  And it's not all part of some masterplan either, 8 years in.

Come on, now.

I think the answer is somewhere between the release of the singles and the unknown. If he didn't have any interest in releasing new music, he wouldn't have.

Then again, is there interest in making albums because "everyone else does it", or would they find some alternative (like singles/EPs), more appealing? That's the unknown.




/jarmo

I think the fair question to ask that we will probably never get a straight answer to is what Axl's feelings are about releasing new music. His vocals are never going to be like they were on AFD or UYI and unfortunately he gets criticisms for how he sounds live now. Even CD Axl was more UYI era sounding then he has on the recent releases which alot have had a lot of filtering in like in the general and perhaps. He probably has a vault of unreleased music somewhere. When they do tour while we fans that come to sites like these love to hear new music i think alot of the fans that do go want to hear the hits from yesteryear and when they do play a hard skool or the general or perhaps their is not as much of a sentimental connection like with sweet child or paradise city or nighttrain. And axl unfortunately isn't getting younger and not sure how many more years left he has the desire I don't know if he can be like mick jagger dancing and singing into his 70s.

We will just have to take what we get whether its touring, a single release here and there and as far New New material only time will tell.

First time I'm not spending time with my daughter on her birthday and watching her open her gifts.  I had her all day yesterday for birthday shopping.  Her husband had something special planned for them today.  Kind of weird but kind of not.  For the 10 years I was married my husband totally blew my birthday off three times.  What I want for my daughter is someone to care as much for her as I do when I'm gone.  Look out for her and to treat her special once in a while.  He's stepping up to the plate and I need to move aside and let him do it.  I did leave her gifts to open for today.  Nobody goes without gifts to open on their birthday around me. 

So instead, in the rain, I cleaned out the garage.  I had to hose off some of this stuff anyway.     Surprisingly, I didn't throw that much stuff out, maybe because I gave the trash can it's yearly bath.  Most of what left went out in the yard or in piles waiting to go into bleach water and be returned to the greenhouse.  And the car is full of stuff to go back to the garden or recycling.  Should I open the doors and show off for the neighbors?   

Man, I'm just pointing out a fact. They have released four songs since the reunion. You can complain about it because it's not what you wanted, and say the songs are old, but it won't change the fact. Just accept it.

Things are better than you describe!

The alternative that some think is that they would've just written and recorded something from scratch, but is that the only alternative? No, realistically it's not. There's the alternative where they said "Awww, let's not bother doing anything, let's focus on the tour".


Again, your version of events makes it seem like they didn't want to do something. Is it possible they wanted to get these songs out before they focused on something else?

LOL. You're in the reality business? Essentially you really just throw theories to a wall and see what sticks. That doesn't make it reality. A lot of assumptions that sound right in your own head so they must be true. Because "I know for I told me so"....

 


So, the big questions are. How will the next album sound like? And when are/were those songs written? Is there a Best Before Date for the songs?




/jarmo