Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Thanks go to Rik from the Velvet-Revolver fan site.


http://www.belowempty.com/Velvet-Revolver/main.php


Very promising...

sounds great !!
Man this band is going to do big things !

holy crap that sounds awesome!
so much heavier than the shitty live recording!
can't waaaaait!!!! :peace:

Sounds very cool. Nice heavy guitars but you can't really judge the song on that clip alone.  

sounds good..but I hate to admit that I think Scott's voice sounds better in that live version. I'd want hear Scott's voice more darker, lower, more energetic as like he does it with set me free, sex typed thing etc. I know this is just a clip but I'm waiting better from Weiland 'cause I've heard what he can do with his voice and the first lines wasn't it. maybe I'm just too demanding, this was quite ok also for the clip.

I was really surprised how metalish it sounded.  :o

Really not liking it. :-\

very average for me, not "great" at all.
"You got no right" is really THE song I'm standing for...

Sounds good...again, I'm looking forward to this album!  :beer:

I must have a really bad mp3 version b/c it sounds very different from the clip.  

If the rest of the song is similar, I'm beginning to see why it was chosen as the first single. It sounds radio friendly.

But so far, my favorite is You Got No Right.

Sounds like I expected it to...

Its obviously too short to make any real judgement, but so far so good... :yes:

Expect the full version to leak any day now...

I was thinking the same thing, give it a week or so...tops.

I'm at work and can't listen to it now, but I like hearing a description like that!
Can anyone give a more detailed review of the clip, what GN'R song or sound woud you compare it to as fas a s Slash's guitar sound goes?

Is it a clip of the start of the song, or middle?
Do you hear any of Slash's brilliant guitar solo???

Any info would be greatly appreciated!  :)

Can't understand why they chose this for the first single-its just a run of the mill average song that you could swear you've heard a thousand times before from various other bands. Although i don't think you got no right is first single material it shits all over slither. I'm just a little critical of vr on two things: the choice of first single and the inclusion of set me free on the album, the only negatives in what looks to be an excellent rock n roll album.

Having just heard the studio clip i must say it is a vast improvement on the live version and thats only from 30 odd seconds of listening.

i think it sounds awesome!

hard to get a real good feel with only 30 seconds, but i think it sounds ballzy.... hard rockin song with major hit potential.  

it really is 50% stp and 50% gnr.

Guess what?!

I was listening to the radio (kroq) and they played Plush.  At the end of the song, instead of saying STP, he said "Weiland of Velvet Revolver! I cant wait for Velvet Revolver"  or something like that and he sounded very enthusiastic.

I'm too excited to remember.  I cant believe we have to get through all of March and April.

Somebody fast forward time please!  :smoking:

That's the best news VR could get.

The most influential modern rock station in the world and absolutley no mention of their GNR past connections.

Let the crossover begin...

song rocks! but I personaly liked live version more because Scott had that dark and low vocal in El Ray performance  :beer:
hard to predict if this song will become a hit nowadays... but now it seem that it will  :beer:

Sounds very good. Song rocks. This is what we need :yes:

Sounds good, but YGNR with the brilliant Slash solo is best so far.

Ok, I've finally listened to it!

I can't really say it was what I was expecting as the guitar doesn't have that classic Slash tone we all know and love.
Sounds more modern and very brash, raw and has an almost underproduced vibe to it.

Mind you, this is only a 64kb quality version of it and it's only 31 seconds, not much to really judge the song by.

But after repeated listens it does sound a bit like AFD era GN'R mixed with STP, which it has been described to sound like.

I can't wait to get the album and crank it up in my car stereo!

Yeah and according to the reports Slither is the most "STP sounding" song on the album and this song flat out rocks! Can't wait to here the intro, solo, slow change, then the awesome climax!!

Difficult to judge how good the song is by less than 30 seconds of clip but the signs are promising. I like it better than YGNR although I prefer SMF to both but obviously the fact that I have heard the whole studio version of SMF helps.

Gonna be one hell of an album though, I like all the songs I have heard so far!

I like SMF too but it's only a soundtrack song that was put together very quickly which is why the lyrics are weak. Who knows maybe the Set me Free they put on the album is longer and improved with more lyrics.

Set me free shouldn't have been on the album. I doubt it'll be any different than the other one.

The slither clip is alright. Should be a good album as a whole.

I thought it was mediocre.  As was SMF.  Theres something about Matt's drumming that just annoys me.  I don't know what it is.  But I don't like it.

Anyhow, it doesn't matter, VR will be huge.  Why?  Because of the hype.  Every music reviewer in the world is gonna write about how great they are, and how nice they are that they didn't ruin the GN'R name and aren't a fat bloated Axl Rose, even if the record is just average (which I hope it isn't) it will be huge.

I agree with what you  said about Sorum, but I think he is actually quite good on Set me free and Slither. And he was great on YCBM & Estranged. But his overall backbeat has no groove. No looseness that makes John Bonham & Tommy Lee so great and even Steven Adler if he didn't throw it all away.

but he gets the job done and everyone in the band likes him and like playing with him. There aren't that many great drummers out there. I'd love to have John Bonham, Tommy Lee, Dave Grohl, the drummer from the black crowes but those guys aren't available.

What are you talking about.  The MTV review wasnt sucking up to them.  He even said that Contraband was 'neither positive nor hip-sounding'.  He said it was good, but he wasnt kissing anyone's ass.

I think there will more questioning of VR than ass-kissing.  VR has to prove that this is gonna work in spite of the drug problems, the troubled GNR legacy, and the fact they're not young spring chickens anymore.

SMF is a really great song.

People think the VR hype is the as the Metallica - St. Anger hype. But it's completely different situation. All you read about was how good St. Anger was but they never previewed the songs til right before the release. So once the album came out and that god awful song "St. Anger" hit radio people were extremely disappointed. We've heard enough from VR...Slither, You Got No Right, Set Me Free to know that it will live up to the hype.

Thats not necessarily a criticism (I think of it as more of a complinent).  I dont think there was one negative criticism in that review.  So far, the preview/reviews (theres been at least 2 or 3) of the album have been very enthusiastic...Asskissing?  I dont know about that.


I dont know, I think there will be a small amount of questioning but I predict all of the reviews will be generally positive.  Theyll obviously touch on Weilands addiction, but its nothing theyll hold against him.  All indicators are that the album is flat-out good, and the guys minus Weiland are likeable , so I think Velvet Revolver can expect a warm reception from critics.


Agree completely.  "Set Me Free" and "Slither" are great examples of songs that get better with each listen.  I immediately liked both on first listen, but my enjoyment has only grown ten-fold since.  You can really appreciate just how well-done they are with each listen.  Everybodys playing on and Scotts vocals on each song are terrific, not to mention theyre simply great, well-written, hard-rocking songs that sound better and better the louder they get.

Listened to it a few times....

The intro doesn't get my attention like Audioslave's "Cochise" does. That's a great intro...

Maybe the rest of the song is better.


Can you tell I'm not a Stone Temple Pilots fan?



/jarmo

give me the full studio version so I can judge. I've heard the live version hundreds of time since first getting to hear it threw my friends cell phone.

The Slither intro is great in a different kinda way. Cochise is an anthem rocker, like I consider Welcome to the jungle to be.

Agreed, even if I think the comparison is kind of unnecessary.  "Cochise" is a fucking brutal classic.  Then again, this isnt the full intro...the real intro isnt featured in the clip, only where the main riff kicks off.


Of course it is...havent you heard the El Rey version?



Thats too bad, youre missing out on some great music.

What I meant was, when I hear the intro to Cochise, I immediately want to hear more. This "Slither" intro didn't have the same effect on me.....



I think so, but the quality wasn't exactly studio quality....




I listened to their Greatest Hits and there were a few ok songs on there.... I have Core, same thing there. A few ok songs.

Then I just can't get over the fact that Big Bang Baby reminds me of Jumping Jack Flash.  :nervous:

And I'm not a fan of Weiland's lyrics either.... At least not the stuff I've heard.


Anyway, I'm not gonna say the song sucks because of a low quality 20+ second clip.



/jarmo

Okay


I think so, but the quality wasn't exactly studio quality...
Not at all, but its good enough to get a feel for the song.  The only real problem is that the lyrics are unintelligble.  Other than that, te music is relatively clear.


Only Ok?  Fair enough, but to me "Big Empty," "Trippin On A Hole...," "Interstate Love Song," "Plush" and "Sour Girl" are some of the best songs of the decade.

Core is really their weakest album and not a great album to judge the rest of their work on.  Its a good album, definitely their overall hardest, but I suggest at least downloading Purple and Shangri-La - they grew enormously.


Yeah, some of the lyrics are pilfered, still a great song.


Weilands lyrics are hit or miss, but he hits most of the time.  Theyre usually abstract and puzzling, but they service the song well enough.  And his vocal melodies are incredible.


Thats good to hear, because that would be unfair and kind of irrational.

I'm the biggest Audioslave fan you'll find. There are so many better songs than Cochise on their album. Shadow on the sun, Gasoline, What you are, Show me how to live, I am the highway and Like a stone.

Only one of those songs were chosen as the first single from their debut album......



/jarmo

The lyrics to I am the Highway are stunningly beautiful.  And I love the guitar sound in Like A Stone.

I'm glad that Duff also likes Audioslave.  It would be so fucking cool to have them tour together.  

btw, does MTV2 air any Audioslave videos?  (I dont know b/c I dont have a tv).  If they dont, I worry they wont do VR videos either.

Yeah I'm looking forward to it in the future. Not during VR's first tour though.

What do you mean Jarmo? There were 4 singles from the Audioslave CD.

"Cochise" was Audioslaves first single, thats what hes saying.



I think while the rest are good, "Cochise" is their best song.  That song is explosive - couple that with the video and  :o.


MTV2 played Audioslaves first 2 singles pretty heavily.  "Show Me How To Live" (one of the years best videos) recieved a decent amount of play.  "I Am The Highway" is a radio-only single I believe.



That would be awesome...Hopefully VRs album will do well and even the ground with Audioslave for a co-headlining tour.  

I think "Slither" will make for a good debut single.  While it might not have as explosive an intro as "Cochise," the solos and climax are pretty damn energetic. : ok:

'Cochise' may be the most aggresive song on record, but it's definitely not the best one... and like I've said 100 times before - VR + Audioslave tour = heaven on earth!!!!

First of all, I'm a fan of Weiland and Stone Temple Pilots.

Second, even though I'm a fan I don't find all of his lyrics "great".

Third, it sounds pretty good but not so good for the first single.

And it's too much STP. The only difference (probably) will be Slash's guitar.

Im not impressed by the clip really - but them im not gonna judge the song and the album till ive heard it.

I think they should kick Scott out.  They should replace Sorum with Adler, and should've kept Izzy as a third guitarist, and he could've sung.  Then we'd have a real rock n' roll band.

But my fantasies aside...they should fire the fucking producer, and get someone who knows what he's doing, because (based on that clip) he hasn't got a clue.

Ouch!

I have no idea about that, but I can say I don't know him from his previous work.

Names like Rick Rubin, Brendan O'Brien, Flood, Butch Vig etc, I know of, but this guy is totally unknown to me.  :-[

Probably because I don't listen to nu-metal.


/jarmo

Seems it's you that hasn't got a clue.  First... check the bitrate.  That clip is not good quality.  The subtleties of the high and low pitches are lost in compression.  And as it stands, even at that, those guitars sound as raw as they have done since AFD.  This is perfect production for this band.  Don't tell me... you'd prefer it if Sean Bevan did production... maybe stuck the guitar right into the mixing desk and put the input up so it distorts and shit... yeah, that would sound hot man!  Jeez...  This mix sounds like rock. Hard rock.  Plain and simple.  THAT is why VR fans will buy the album.

Any particular criticisms (based on that relatively poor quality, 30-second clip?)


He does have a somewhat dubious track record, but I dont think that really matters.  

I noticed the bitrate, but I've got mp3s on my computer with the same bitrate that still sound ok.  But maybe it is just that, I hope it is, and I hope I'm wrong.  

I don't know who Sean Beavan is or what kind of queer retarded recording methods he uses, so...in answer to your question: no.

I don't know what this guy has done before but you guys are saying nu-metal, and I thought I remembered reading Papa Roach somewhere.

And Dave, just because you've had loads of experience recording, it doesn't mean you have to talk down to everyone and act like you're the dogs bollocks.  And like I said, I don't know who Sean Beavan is, but if he work as a producer, and gets paid then I highly doubt he would DI straight into the mixing desk with the levels too high.

I thought the guitars sounded like crap.  That's what I didn't like about it.  Maybe it's just the quality of the clip, but to me, they sounded like they'd been recorded on a 4 track like BLS's 1919 Eternal.

Sean Beaven is GNRs current (?) producer...


Yeah, hes done a lot of "nu-metal" stuff (Limp Bizkit, Korn, Crazy Town), but that doesnt really mean anythingin relation to VR.  Mike Clink wasnt exactly well-known in 1987 , but he did the job done nicely.  Im hoping the same goes for Abraham.  I figure as long as they go easy on the effects and just make the music sound clear, there should be no problem.

Lets also not forget that its not 100% certain that "Slither" was produced by Abraham...the song was originally produced by the legendary Bob Ezrin.  I have no clue if its been re-recorded or what...


I think that is one of his techniques..it was mentioned in an interview he had done that was posted in the GNR section.

Daves got a good point - youre blaming the producer for what you think is poor sound quality, when its unfair considering youre judging a 30-second (less, when you consider the fade-out) MP3 clip.  


Fair enough, I think they sounded fine.  It sounds pretty damn similar so far to the live performance.  The abbreviated "Hey!s" and Scotts clearer tone are the only real differences so far.

They problably picked Josh because he is good with modern equipment. VR will never sound like Limp Biz for as long as Slash, Duff, Scott, Dave & Matt are members. Josh isn't going to change the music they make he's just gonna tweak it with some more modern recording techiques.

Josh Abraham also has production credits on the new Courtney Love album, "America's Sweetheart".  "America's Sweetheart" is an extremely hard, nasty, loud, stripped, violent and sexy record.  

I expect nothing less from "Contraband" with Abraham behind the board.  

That sounded awesome. I wish I could have heard more. This is going to kick ass!

not a fan of nu-metal, but Josh is good producer. Check out some of work he have done and you're gonna love it!