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Everybody was so exited when we all heard about the Sanctuary contract/deal.. But now we have the silence again. I wonder if we ever will get that "big" announcement.. Naa.. I'm not sure anymore but I can't quit waiting after all these years
how do you feel about it?
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"Regardless we hope to announce a release date in the next few months" - AXl March 2004.
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Quote from: Buttcrack Mullet on February 15, 2005, 03:24:30 AM
"Regardless we hope to announce a release date in the next few months" - AXl March 2004.
even axl can't be trusted about the release date
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Quote from: Buttcrack Mullet on February 15, 2005, 03:24:30 AM
"Regardless we hope to announce a release date in the next few months" - AXl March 2004.
The release of GH by UMG certainly delayed things for a little bit longer... but I'm sure it's closer than ever today.
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If I remember correctly there were rumours that GNR are having a meeting of some sort this week. ?Axl giving the others an update on what is going to happen or something like that. ?
Maybe we'll hear something next week?
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Quote from: estranged.1098 on February 15, 2005, 04:29:14 AM
Quote from: Buttcrack Mullet on February 15, 2005, 03:24:30 AM
"Regardless we hope to announce a release date in the next few months" - AXl March 2004.
The release of GH by UMG certainly delayed things for a little bit longer... but I'm sure it's closer than ever today.
why?? alot of people said that one year ago when axl said the above quote... why do you think that its closer than ever one year later...
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Quote from: leesixxrose on February 15, 2005, 04:38:19 AM
Quote from: estranged.1098 on February 15, 2005, 04:29:14 AM
Quote from: Buttcrack Mullet on February 15, 2005, 03:24:30 AM
"Regardless we hope to announce a release date in the next few months" - AXl March 2004.
The release of GH by UMG certainly delayed things for a little bit longer... but I'm sure it's closer than ever today.
why?? alot of people said that one year ago when axl said the above quote... why do you think that its closer than ever one year later...
as the minutes, days , years go by, mathematically speaking it's always closer than ever
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Quote from: Cowboy Buddha on February 15, 2005, 04:26:53 AM
Quote from: Buttcrack Mullet on February 15, 2005, 03:24:30 AM
"Regardless we hope to announce a release date in the next few months" - AXl March 2004.
even axl can't be trusted about the release date
True. I always chuckle, or cringe, when I hear people say that they won't believe anything unless the word come for The Man himself.
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I think you raise an interesting point in that somehow we can't stop waiting and hoping.
As much as we would like to give up, I think collectively we all need some kind of closure...
Or perhaps the "thrill of the chase" is ultimately what we are all addicted to here?
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Quote from: jimmythegent on February 15, 2005, 06:02:07 AM
I think you raise an interesting point in that somehow we can't stop waiting and hoping.
As much as we would like to give up, I think collectively we all need some kind of closure...
Or perhaps the "thrill of the chase" is ultimately what we are all addicted to here?
have you ever been inlove in a platonic way ? I have, and it's exactly the same thing, unlike real love, platonic love could last forever until the object of your affection tells you to either FUCK OFF or actually decides to love you back, but if the object of your affection remains silent, THEN you're in for some serious waiting accompanied by death, desease, injustice , inhumanity, , torture , anger, hate, murder, pain,cruelty infidelity, slime, and stink and every crawling putred thing, every possible uglyness and corruption you SON OF A BITCH I BELIEVE !
In order for us to give up on our love for Chidem we need Axl to tell us to FUCK OFF or I LOVE YOU, somehow I don't think either one will happen.
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Quote from: Wooody on February 15, 2005, 06:50:17 AM
Quote from: jimmythegent on February 15, 2005, 06:02:07 AM
I think you raise an interesting point in that somehow we can't stop waiting and hoping.
As much as we would like to give up, I think collectively we all need some kind of closure...
Or perhaps the "thrill of the chase" is ultimately what we are all addicted to here?
have you ever been inlove? in a platonic way ? I have, and? it's exactly the same thing, unlike real love, platonic love could last forever until the object of your affection tells you to either FUCK OFF or actually decides to love you back, but if the object of your affection remains silent, THEN you're in for some serious waiting accompanied by death, desease, injustice , inhumanity, , torture , anger, hate, murder, pain,cruelty? infidelity, slime, and stink and every crawling putred thing, every possible uglyness and corruption you SON OF A BITCH I BELIEVE !
where's that quote from? it sounds very familiar
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I think platonic love means the spiritual love that doesn't involve sex. Yes, in a way the love for music is very platonic.
But, Wooody, Isn't your one just a one-sided love?
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If any of you had the guts to be silent and we stopped posting for a couple of days or even weeks, you know who ( Axl ) would hear about it. But none of have the baaalllllllls to give back the silents that he's been given us... I don't know why you continue with all this suck assness .. makes me sick . A note to all you starved fans, they don't give a fuck! there's to much chatter, unless you do something quick, they'll continue to keep us in the dark.
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I think platonic love means the spiritual love that doesn't involve sex. Yes, in a way the love for music is very platonic.
But, Wooody, Isn't your one just a one-sided love?
Hmmmmmmmm, I think you didn't get my point.
The waiting for either your girl/boy or Chinese Democracy (axl) is indeed a one-sided love.
But I was comparing the love for the music we have not "tasted" yet to platonic love.
Having an orgasm for the first time with the girl/boy you love is like putting on your headphones and listen to Chinese Democracy...
In BOTH situations the Pain,anger, (etc) will end. We won't be waiting anymore , the love will be given from both sides, And we'll be copulating like bunnies. ?
But if that day doesn't happen, we'll be waiting for ever.
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now we have the silence again.
how do you feel about it?
hmm, tommy spoke resently about it...
Quote from: Luigi on February 15, 2005, 09:51:41 AM
I don't know why you continue with all this suck assness .. makes me sick . A note to all you starved fans, they don't give a fuck! there's to much chatter, unless you do something quick, they'll continue to keep us in the dark.
seems it's very hard 4 you?
we have some updates news soon was said earlier -and the sanctuary deal was announced
then tommy and the other members said spring\late sspring\ by 05...
so sure there may be some more news within the gap
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If I remember correctly there were rumours that GNR are having a meeting of some sort this week. Axl giving the others an update on what is going to happen or something like that.
Maybe we'll hear something next week?
yeah, with in few months i guess
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Well from the words of Motorhead, The chase is better then the catch!!!
I think all the waiting is part of the hype!! Its axl's way of doing things! Ever been to a gnr concert? Have they ever gone on stage on time.....hell NO! But the waiting makes it so much better once it does start!
Except if you live in Vancouver or Phili.....
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yes, norway, it is alittle bit of a problem with me cause I'm freekishly artistic and sensitive to my positive public audience. thanks for the awareness of my post .
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Quote from: shaner on February 15, 2005, 10:28:03 AM
Well from the words of Motorhead, The chase is better then the catch!!!
I think all the waiting is part of the hype!! Its axl's way of doing things! Ever been to a gnr concert? Have they ever gone on stage on time.....hell NO! But the waiting makes it so much better once it does start!
Except if you live in Vancouver or Phili.....
so right, a release date alone will really thrilful 2 me- cheers 2 that ?
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yes, norway, it is alittle bit of a problem with me cause I'm freekishly artistic and sensitive to my positive public audience. thanks for the awareness of my post .
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I think platonic love means the spiritual love that doesn't involve sex. Yes, in a way the love for music is very platonic.
But, Wooody, Isn't your one just a one-sided love?
Hmmmmmmmm, I think you didn't get my point.
The waiting for either your girl/boy or Chinese Democracy (axl) is indeed a one-sided love.
But I was comparing the love for the music we have not "tasted" yet to platonic love.
Having an orgasm for the first time with the girl/boy you love is like putting on your headphones and listen to Chinese Democracy...
Nay, I'm not talking about your point. I'm just pointing out that you might get the words mixed up.
Yeah, the wait might be like that of one sided love.
But Platonic love doesn't require intercourse that it's completely another thing. unlike sexual desire Spiritual side of love can last forever.
If you take it like the sexual side of love, What will you do after it is fulfilled?
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If the rumours are true about that meeting then I would be very interested to see what comes out of that. Hopefully Tommy or Dizzy can spill the beans and let us outsiders hear some uplifting news.
Who said there was a meeting?....was it Tommy?
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Another positive sign that we may want to take on board is the fact that Axl hasn't fired anyone (that we know of) for a long time.
I suspect as he's the producer it would be pretty difficult to fire yourself, unless of course you have multiple personalities.
I don't know when to expect an announcement, but I would hazard a guess we'll hear something March or early April
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Who said there was a meeting?....was it Tommy?
No one specifically said that. It's just speculation on splat.com's part.
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I figured it was Splat but wasn't sure. There has been lots of rumours lately and Tommy had a few interviews recently so I figured it may have been him. Thanks for clearing that up....a new groundless rumour could have spewed from that mistake!
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Quote from: ppbebe on February 15, 2005, 11:07:19 AM
Quote from: Wooody on February 15, 2005, 09:56:16 AM
Quote from: ppbebe on February 15, 2005, 09:12:13 AM
I think platonic love means the spiritual love that doesn't involve sex. Yes, in a way the love for music is very platonic.
But, Wooody, Isn't your one just a one-sided love?
Hmmmmmmmm, I think you didn't get my point.
The waiting for either your girl/boy or Chinese Democracy (axl) is indeed a one-sided love.
But I was comparing the love for the music we have not "tasted" yet to platonic love.
Having an orgasm for the first time with the girl/boy you love is like putting on your headphones and listen to Chinese Democracy...
Nay, I'm not talking about your point. I'm just pointing out that you might get the words mixed up.
Yeah, the wait might be like that of one sided love.
But Platonic love doesn't require intercourse that it's completely another thing. unlike sexual desire Spiritual side of love can last forever.
If you take it like the sexual side of love, What will you do after it is fulfilled?
I didn't mixed up the words, why ? because I believe that spiritual side of love and the sexual side co-exist in a simbiotic relationship. and that simbiotic relationship as a whole does not last forever (in my humble opinion) as opposed to platonic love (which may not be "real" love - but what's love anyway?) which last forever due to a lack of Closure of any kind.
That simbiotic relationship is the equivalent of Chidem playing On my Stereo EDIT :except for the fact that I cannot have sex with CD, unless I had a pretty small penis able to fit in the little hole of the cd
The love for chidem will last forever because it is not a material love, you could argue that Love itself is not a material feeling, but as I told you before, the simbiotic relationship depends partially on an organic element.
Either way we're fucked waiting for AXL ?
ps: why do I feel I'm talking out of my ass ?
At least I feel better after sharing my frustration with fellow GNR addicts.
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I didn't mixed up the words, why ?
That simbiotic relationship is the equivalent of Chidem playing On my Stereo EDIT :except for the fact that I cannot have sex with CD, unless I had a pretty small penis able to fit in the little hole of the cd
The love for chidem will last forever because it is not a material love, you could argue that Love itself is not a material feeling, but as I told you before, the simbiotic relationship depends partially on an organic element.
Or rather you are mixed up, perhaps.
Edit: the musicians, esp Axl would feel very comfortable to hear that. Anyway, I can't bother.
On topic, yeah, none of the band members mentioned meeting thingy as far as I know.
It's just fans wishful guess. But Who knows.
It hasn?t been a month yet since we heard the deal.
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Quote from: Wooody on February 15, 2005, 01:29:50 PM
I didn't mixed up the words, why ?
That simbiotic relationship is the equivalent of Chidem playing On my Stereo EDIT :except for the fact that I cannot have sex with CD, unless I had a pretty small penis able to fit in the little hole of the cd
The love for chidem will last forever because it is not a material love, you could argue that Love itself is not a material feeling, but as I told you before, the simbiotic relationship depends partially on an organic element.
Or rather you are mixed up, perhaps.
Edit: the musicians, esp Axl would feel very comfortable to hear that. Anyway, I can't bother.
On topic, yeah, none of the band members mentioned? meeting thingy as far as I know.
It's just fans wishful guess. But Who knows.
It hasn?t been a month yet since we heard the deal.
I am not mixed up WOMAN, just misunderstood.
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i understand what your's saying Woody... I think! hehe
i have often wondered if there will come a day when, after CD's release, we will MISS this...? even just a teeny-weeny bit?? ?the chase/the wait...
after having 'had' CD...? well, the whole world will have 'er...? ?right now its kinda like she's all ours...
i mean... we are kinda like all bunched up in this exclusive queue...?
of course the main event is the highlight!
but just like the GA shows in Vegas - the line is a huge part of the experience and I would rather make it a great one hanging out with hardcore diehard fans like many of you guys...
standing around bitching and moaning would make it seem an awful lot longer...
me.. i'm having a great time
as for an annoucement... don't watch the clock..? have a good time... next thing ya know we'll be getting stubbed and stamped
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I am not mixed up WOMAN, just misunderstood.
Who said I'm a woman and what are you implying in it?
Anyway, If you insist, I shall point out this again.
Obviously you misused the words - platonic love in this post. That's all I was saying. You're not misunderstood.
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have you ever been inlove in a platonic way ? I have, and it's exactly the same thing,
unlike real love
, platonic love could last forever
until the object of your affection tells you to either FUCK OFF or actually decides to love you back
, but if the object of your affection remains silent, THEN you're in for some serious waiting accompanied by death, desease, injustice , inhumanity, , torture , anger, hate, murder, pain,cruelty infidelity, slime, and stink and every crawling putred thing, every possible uglyness and corruption you SON OF A BITCH I BELIEVE !
On topic, yeah, waiting is fun.
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i took the use of 'platonic' in woody's post(s) to mean more of pre-consumation
before a love is consumated it is without sex - though not necessarily without
want
of sex/consumation
so...
we are all like engaged to CD and waiting for the wedding night to consumate our um... love
we don't have a wedding date set yet
we keep getting clues though...
we think we heard the flowers were ordered...
and another caterer was fired
and the dress/tux has been sent back for re-fitting for the umpteenth time..
the bridesmaids/groomsmen when asked say "my dress/suit is done... been done... for a while"
LOL! Don't cha love metaphors
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I believe the minister said he was 97% done with his pre-wedding preperations.
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Maybe the reason we get all these delays is because Axl keeps on sleeping while having chewing gum in his mouth and every night it falls out and sticks to his braids which takes days to take out.
Ah, never rely on Axl Rose. As much as a mammoth of a musician that he is, never expect anything from this man because someday you'll find yourself luckily surprised without being maliciously brought down.
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maybe gigger and the big boss can look in the garbage can and see what they can pull up and tell the gnr world?
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I am not mixed up WOMAN, just misunderstood.
Who said I'm a woman and what are you implying in it?
Anyway, If you insist, I shall point out this again.
Obviously you misused the words - platonic love in this post. That's all I was saying. You're not misunderstood.
Quote from: Wooody on February 15, 2005, 06:50:17 AM
have you ever been inlove? in a platonic way ? I have, and? it's exactly the same thing,
unlike real love
, platonic love could last forever
until the object of your affection tells you to either FUCK OFF or actually decides to love you back
, but if the object of your affection remains silent, THEN you're in for some serious waiting accompanied by death, desease, injustice , inhumanity, , torture , anger, hate, murder, pain,cruelty? infidelity, slime, and stink and every crawling putred thing, every possible uglyness and corruption you SON OF A BITCH I BELIEVE !
On topic, yeah, waiting is fun.
errr.. sorry Your name just looked a little bit feminine, like Phoebe or something. why did you point out
unlike real love
and
until the object of your affection tells you to either FUCK OFF or actually decides to love you back
real love is the simbiotic relationship I explained later on. and I see nothing wrong with "
until the object of your affection tells you to either FUCK OFF or actually decides to love you back
"
Again, I did not misused my words. Maybe you ran a google search on platonic love and the "no sex" thing came up, well it's a little more than than. Read what Eva wrote. She got it. Don't blame your lack of comprehension on me.
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Re: Were is the announcement???
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Quote from: Wooody on February 16, 2005, 05:09:25 AM
errr.. sorry Your name just looked a little bit feminine, like Phoebe or something. why did you point out
unlike real love
and
until the object of your affection tells you to either FUCK OFF or actually decides to love you back
real love is the simbiotic relationship I explained later on. and I see nothing wrong with "
until the object of your affection tells you to either FUCK OFF or actually decides to love you back
"
Again, I did not misused my words. Maybe you ran a google search on platonic love and the "no sex" thing came up, well it's a little more than than. Read what Eva wrote. She got it. Don't blame your lack of comprehension on me.
Then you are mixed up. Firstly I never said platonic love can't exist in sexual relationship.
Also comprehension wise, You're wrong again. I said I was not discussing your point.
without giving a boring lecture on Plato and Socrates, I just tell you how it's a little more than that.
1) platonic love doesn't oppose to real love. It's real love in the metaphysical way. e.g. True friendship is a kind of platonic love.
2) platonic love doesn't mean one-sided love at all.
Funny the term is related to "The School of Athens". And it was around the release of Illusion twins when Axl talked his attaching greater weight to the friendship with his the then girlfriend than the romance in an interview.
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can we all do 1 on platonic love. it makes no sense and is irrelevant to the topic.
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Re: Were is the announcement???
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Quote from: ppbebe on February 16, 2005, 09:34:46 AM
Quote from: Wooody on February 16, 2005, 05:09:25 AM
errr.. sorry Your name just looked a little bit feminine, like Phoebe or something. why did you point out
unlike real love
and
until the object of your affection tells you to either FUCK OFF or actually decides to love you back
real love is the simbiotic relationship I explained later on. and I see nothing wrong with "
until the object of your affection tells you to either FUCK OFF or actually decides to love you back
"
Again, I did not misused my words. Maybe you ran a google search on platonic love and the "no sex" thing came up, well it's a little more than than. Read what Eva wrote. She got it. Don't blame your lack of comprehension on me.?
Then you are mixed up. Firstly I never said platonic love can't exist in sexual relationship.
Also comprehension wise, You're wrong again. I said I was not discussing your point.
without giving a boring lecture on Plato and Socrates, I just tell you how it's a little more than that.
1) platonic love doesn't oppose to real love. It's real love in the metaphysical way.? e.g. True friendship is a kind of platonic love.
2) platonic love doesn't mean one-sided love at all.
Funny the term is related to "The School of Athens". And it was around the release of Illusion twins when Axl talked his attaching greater weight to the friendship with his the then girlfriend than the romance in an interview.?
OK, now I understand why we are not in the same page.
For ME platonic love is indeed opposed to real love because real love depends in sex.
and that is why we are not understanding eachother. Because we have a different perception of what true love is. Or at least that's why you are not understanding me or my use of words.
But I've grown tired of this conversation.
Over and out.
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OK, now I understand why we are not in the same page.
For ME platonic love is indeed opposed to real love because real love depends in sex.
and that is why we are not understanding eachother. Because we have a different perception of what true love is. Or at least that's why you are not understanding me or my use of words.
But I've grown tired of this conversation.
Over and out.
Where is Dr. Phil when you need him? LOL! No offense, but thank god this convo is over...
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