Here Today... Gone To Hell!

It looks like Scott earned himself 6 months of lockdown rehab again.




Edit: Try to write subjects that describe the thread so people know what it's about... /jarmo

what? where did you hear that?

Scott Weiland appeared in two separate courtrooms to address drug charges on Friday (January 23) before being ordered back into lockdown rehab. The former Stone Temple Pilots frontman and current Velvet Revolver singer pleaded not guilty during his arraignment in Los Angeles Superior Court to charges of driving under the influence of drugs, stemming from his late October arrest. But because Weiland had left his court-ordered lockdown rehab last month, the singer was ordered into another six-month lockdown stint at a separate, undisclosed facility, with six months of aftercare treatment. Should Weiland walk away from this round of rehab, or test positive for drug use, a bench warrant will be issued for his arrest. His next progress report is scheduled for March 5. ...



http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1484568/20040123/no_doubt.jhtml?headlines=true



/jarmo

that is the place

Wonder when this will get frustrating for the band. Someone like Slash seems to be the kind of person who likes playing live, now it seems like a tour might not happen during the next six months. At least not a proper tour.

Who knows if they can do a proper tour even after Scott is out of rehab.

First they have all kinds of problems with Axl in their previous band and now this....



/jarmo

Yeah my only question is how many more chances he will get before they do put him back in jail?

scott is making Axl look like a saint. these guys won't go anywhere with weedland. they should get a proper singer. someone who can actually do something in a band and not get arrested like a juvenil punk.

This sucks!    >:(

I was really looking forward to seeing them on their planned upcoming tour.    :(

I understant you, but hey, this is Rock and Roll! not backstreet boys...you have to get along with that idea when this band is concerned.

That's too bad for the band... :no:
I wonder how long this thing is gonna last... :-\

as much as i like the reckless side of a rock n roll lead singer i don't think scott is in the position to play that role, cuz he's not looking bad, he's just behaving bad and looking silly. in the 80's maybe it was alright to get wasted everyday, but by doing that now-a-days, with this band that has so much to proove not only to world but to themselfs, i think he's just fucking up his chances on the band and the way everyone see's the band. cuz i think its about time slash, duff and matt got some recognition for their work, and being seen always as the ex-gnr members. they need VR to be suceful in order to feel as acomplished musicians, and not as some washed up rockers... i dunno, i just feel that scott is more of a problem than a cure to slash's new future in music.

and as for the backstreet boys comparison... i guess Scott is the AJ of Velvet Revolver then....

I think it's terrible news because I wanted to see them, but hopefully this will make Scott realize that the courts aren't messing around. He can't just hide behind his status as a musician anymore so now he has to be serious about quitting if he really wants this thing to work out.

That's easier said than done. Re-lapses are typical with someone struggling with an addiction. Just as long as he stays out of jail. I'd hate to see him go there. Plus he has that bi-polor disorder to contend with.

Perhaps his lawyers will appeal the ruling, and during the appeals process he'll be aloud to play a few gigs. But I don't think touring is the place for Scott at this moment.

Rock stars, what are you gonna do with 'em? :hihi:

Agreed.  Definately from the frying pan (Axl) to the fire (Scott).

Not to diminish Axl's obvious flaws, but at least his shortcomings as a bandmate and performer never really seemed to be a life threateniing situation..

On the other hand, Scott is Layne Staley in waiting.

Very sad.

Just get that already completed album in my hands and I could careless what happens after that.  I could listen to that album for 2 years then who knows maybe Chinese Democracy will finally be out by then.

I hope this doesn't effect the album release anyways.   :'(

yeah, Scott needs to get his shit together for the band (Duff/Slash) sakes..true...but for looking silly etc. I disagree. He's great on stage, true rock singer..his dangerous life style brings more edge to the VR..todays rock bands are unimaginative, easy and harmless bands, band members being vegetarians and dulls..so VR and Scott is fresh breath of air for todays Rock music/scene.

You never know what can happen though.  If during his next progress report he is doing well, the judge may let him out.  That probably won't happen though.  I guess he has had a few chances.  He probably shouldn't have tried to sneak drugs in.  It kind of reminds me of Slash though.  In the book "In their Own Words," Slash says he took 11 grams of cocaine into rehab with him.  So Slash has definitely been there.  Of course that wasn't court ordered rehab though.  I don't remember Slash ever getting caught with drugs?? :smoking: :smoking:  

Oh well, bye to the tour then. I had already arranged plans for that. Too bad >:(

I hope it doesn't pull of the release of contraband. That would suck.

I guess Slash and the boys just need a little patience

fuck the cd, everyone quit being selfish this has to do with a mans life, id much rather scott get ok then have a fuckin cd. i hope some of u seriously dont consider yourself fans," i hope this doesnt delay the cd", fuck the cd, i just hope scott finally gets ok, some of u act like as long as u get the cd u dont care if he fuckin dies, thats bullshit!

scott does seem to be getting worse and worse, but i just hope he can get it together and be ok as a person, music isnt that important, not as important as a man's life.

cmon people show some support here!

I don't think anyone meant that they cared more about a cd than they did about a man's life, I know I didn't with my comment about hoping that the cd wasn't delayed.  I guess it's just the first thing that came to my mind when I read this, since I already knew that Scott has problems, but you're right D, it is better that he get his life sorted out, even if it takes longer than expected.   :peace:

You know, when I first heard Scott, this junkie, is going to join VR I was really mad. Duff & Slash kept saying "he's the best, he's the one" and I kept annoying. Then Duff told a tearful story like Scott came to him and asked to help him to get clean. Duff prevented Scott that if he really want this he should be very serious and there's no place for joking. It seemed to be great until Scott was arrested for driving drunk. Awesome. Then again . Drugs, arrests,jail.
I would love to support him if he could be a real man, not a baby, and understand he's poisoning his own life, band's bussiness and our nerves. Of course, I'm sure we won't hear their CD in May.

 If you can't get your shit together then sit at home and for God's sake don't let your mates down!!!  :rant: :crying: :rant:

Damn people, he's just been put on lock down, it doesn't mean the CD the tour or the band is over. It's just a little delay if anything. Stop worrying.

Jett - Slash and Duff were serious junkies at one time themselves. Heroin isn't something you can just say: "Hey I think I'll get clean today" It becomes a physical and mental addiction that takes a lot of time to get over. I think there needs to be a little bit more understanding from the VR fans than what I'm seeing. There's no sense in being pissed because his struggles are getting on your nerves. This is a band, and I'm sure they'll deal with it like a band.

And I remember a certain red headed lead singer who had to deal with not just one, but four junkies in his band. He never ditched them (except for one). I think Slash and company may be a lot more understanding than you think.

has anyone ever seen the movie "clerks"?  if u have u know the scene where dante and randall are talking about where the death star was being rebuilt when it got destroyed the second time so there had to be like independent contractors still on it and they didnt have any personal politics etc they were just doing their job and it wasnt fair they got killed etc

then the contractor thats in the convenience store tells them a story where he got a contract to do a known mobsters house but he turned it down cause he knew the risk etc so a private contractor does use personal politics when choosing jobs etc so they deserve no sympathy

same here

slash,duff,matt knew what they were getting themselves into with scott, they knew he had problems they knew he was a drug addict so it would be very hypocritical for them to not stand by him now, they should have taken his problems into consideration b4 giving him the job, they went for the homerun and right now its a full count bases loaded bottom of the ninth game on the line, scott will either get that winning run home or strike out, its not lookin good right now

i have waited on axl for a very long time, i can wait on velvet revolver, if the album doesnt come out till december thats fine with me, as long as i hear it and its good i dont really care, id rather scott be 100 percent straightened out then they release the cd, then have vr release the cd, scott relapse get put in jail or rehab in the middle of the the records momentum and tour like he did with STP on one of their albums.

i wonder if slash and duff think to themselves now, "if this is what axl put up with by us,no wonder he got so pissed at us etc etc, i wonder now if they can see axl's point of view now that they are havin to deal with it?

its very hard to deal with a junkie if u dont do it so maybe slash and duff can respect axl a little more now for what he had to put up with

Yeah I wonder too... can't really say how it feels to be a junkie but some people can get over the addict and others sadly don't. I think it would be better put off the record although scott has been dealing with it for long time so going to be a hard to make that decision...

My guess would be not really, because they had to put up with plenty of his shit as well (to the very end, even after they sobered up), even though Axl wasn't a junkie.

I will save my fury untill i have heard the CD, maybe it will be so awesome that Scotts flaws can be tolerated..

However if it is crap then, well.......it will be pretty obvious that he was the wrong choice....

whose to say axl's madness didnt have alot to do with the bands drug habits?

i am the coach and point guard on my adult league basketball team and i know i get plenty fuckin pissed off if one of my players show up high or drunk

20,000 people axl ready to take the stage and he see's slash and co all fucked up, u know when u are out there doing something important u dont wanna have to worry about if your band is gonna be to fucked up to play,

also gnr's problem seems to stem from lack of communication

has anyone ever dated or been friends with a drug addict or alcoholic?

conversations are impossible that leads to a breach which leads to conflict

But no one really knows the shit he had to put up with, with not just one junkie in the band, but three. I always wondered how people could use Axl as the scape goat in the old line up falling apart, when there were 4 junkies (even after Steven was fired, according to Matt himself with his heavy coke habbit). As far as putting up with Axl's shit, it had to be a lot harder dealing with four junkies, than dealing with Axl's shit. I've delt with addicts before, just a couple and not together. That must have been a nightmare.

Actually all of them were junkies, more or less.
Scott is not a 25 years old guy.
Hope for better. If VR are still together then we should have this hope. :beer:

So if no one really knows, that makes this statement...


...rather moot, eh?   :P

And even if that's your speculation, I wouldn't underestimate how hard Axl is to cope with.

While he is in rehab, will they let him out to do the promo dates if they end up confirming them?  I he does stay clean he will be out in time to tour this summer though.  That would be sweet.

I also said that I've delt with junkies before and its a nightmare, but not three or four at a time. People have been specualating how hard it was to put up with Axl, I was just putting that out there seeing how frustrated the fans are with Scott. Imagine how hard it is dealing with junkies in a band.

Why is it so easy to say Axl was the problem, when he was dealing with people who were fucked up with their own addictions? Your right when we don't know what happend back then, but the same should be said when people start saying Axl was the problem, and all the shit he put them through. It could be the other way around, so I don't know how anyone could place blame on a single person :peace:

Dudes, the only junkie left in that band is Scott and hes atleast admitting that he has a problem and is trying to get over it.  Slash on the other hand is done with drugs, but still drinks according to Guitar World.  Duff, Matt, and Dave have all quit.  My friend is Duff's nephew.  I met him, he is done with drugs,  he only drinks no alcoholic beer, because he almost died in the 90's of Alcohol poisoning.  So I dont know what you guys mean by four junkies.

Later,
Slashisthebest
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u misunderstood dude, back in the early 90's in gnr axl had to put up with 4 junkies

everyone blames axl but its pulling teeth to get junkies to do anything so i say axl had a hard time communicating and working with people who were fucked up all the time

i dated a drug addict chick one time and we dated for 3 months and i bet we had 3 conversations in 3 months which led to our breakup cause we couldnt communicate

if u cant communicate in any relationship be it a band,marriage,etc etc its not gonna last! drugs stand in the way of communication!

Sorry dude my bad

Slashisthebest

But you must remember, Slash and Duff were both sober by the mid 90s, which is when the band fell apart at the seams.  Granted, their drug abuse may have taken a toll on Axl back in the early 90s, but it can't have factored in much when it was no longer occurring.

Ah, what difference does it make, as you say, it's all in the past now.  Or is that youngunner who said that?   ???

But by the time they did sober up Axl and Slash weren't speaking to each other. The damage was done in that reguard. Duff hung around for another year then he left. My main point was trying to show how hard it must have been to be in GNR back then, and that no one can single out one person who's at fault for the band falling apart.

But I agree, it's all in the past now. And I think I was the first one to say that, and that little shit stole it from me!

*I was just joking YG*  :hihi:

Slash sobered up after the UYI tour.  He and Axl didn't stop speaking until 1996.



Actually, Duff's pancreas exploded on May 10, 1994.  So he sobered up right after that, but didn't quit the band until 1997.


That little bastard!   :rant:  Should I kill him now or should I wait for you to arrive so you can spit on him during the bloody scene?  

Gypsy note #1:  Since this Total Guitar article was written prior to Scott's last court appearance, I'm also posting an "ordered back to rehab" article that was posted on a music news site (this site lists his next court date as February 5th as opposed to the March 5th date that mtv listed).

Note #2:  I'm not a lawyer but I believe that if "drunk driving" was cited on the arrest report for the birthday arrest and he tested negative for alcohol, then just like his VR website rant & his court plea said, he would be "not guilty" of this charge.  However, I also believe the actual charge was DUI (driving under the influence) which includes BOTH drugs & alcohol.  If DUI is the charge and he tested positive for drugs then he's guilty as charged.

TOTAL GUITAR #118 JANUARY 2004
MONITOR
APPETITE FOR DESTRUCTION
DRUG PROBLEMS DEAL SLASH'S NEW BAND YET ANOTHER BLOW

The future of Guns N' Roses' comeback group Velvet Revolver is once again in doubt, following the arrest of singer Scott Weiland on drink-driving charges.  Weiland has been ordered by the authorities to undergo a six-month live-in rehab program - meaning the band's long-awaited debut album has now been put back indefinitely.

According to the ruling, the ex-Stone Temple Pilots vocalist will be allowed to join his bandmates in the recording studio for just a few hours each day, and will be accompanied by a police office at all times.  It's a devastating setback for the group, who were thought to be close to completing their album.  Plans had already been made for a UK visit, and they'd already had a song, Set Me Free, featured on the soundtrack to Hollywood blockbuster The Hulk.

The news will also come as a bitter disappointment for GN'R fans, many of whom were hoping Velvet Revolver - which was formed last year by ex-GN'R members Slash, Duff McKagan and Matt Sorum - would go on to recapture the raw rock spirit of the band's classic 1987 album Appetite For Destruction.

But if Slash and co had imagined their new frontman would be any less temperamental than their previous singer Axl Rose, they've been proved wrong time and again.  Last August, Weiland was sentenced to three years probation after pleading no contest to one count of possessing heroin.  In 1999 he was jailed after failing to complete a drug rehabilitation program.  And in 2001 he was arrested in Las Vegas on a domestic violence charge involving his wife.

Neither is this the first bit of bad news Slash has received this month.  In a recent Rolling Stone survey of the 100 greatest guitarists, he didn't get a mention - even though relatively obscure names such as Greg Ginn of Black Flag and Zoot Horn Rollo of the Magic Band received lavish praise.

But despite his problems, Slash still maintains the Velvet Revolver record will be a "great rock'n'roll album" when it emerges.  And before his arrest Weiland himself gave the following insight into the new material:  "There are dark plodding tracks on here.  And there are songs that are real fast, like a freight train fuelled with Bacardi 151."

Let's hope we get to hear them one day.
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from MSN Music News posted on Jan 25, 2004
Weiland Ordered Back to Rehab
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Stone Temple Pilots lead singer Scott Weiland was ordered to return to a live-in drug detoxification center after leaving early, officials said.

Weiland, 36 was ordered to report to the facility last October after pleading no contest to possession of heroin. A Superior Court judge learned Friday that he had walked out or was discharged after only a month and ordered him to return, said Jane Robison, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles County district attorney's office.

Weiland reported back to the facility Friday afternoon.

He is eligible for release in July but must participate in a six-month follow-up program.

If he leaves the center again or tests positive for drugs, prosecutors will seek a warrant for his arrest, Robison said.

Weiland was jailed in 1999 for violating probation on a previous drug arrest and failing to complete a rehabilitation program.

In a separate case, attorneys for Weiland entered an innocent plea for the singer's misdemeanor count of driving under the influence, stemming from his arrest last October in Hollywood.

He is due back in court on that case on Feb. 5.
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Weiland's Representatives Attempt To 'Clarify' Recent News Reports

Representatives for VELVET REVOLVER singer Scott Weiland issued the following statement Monday (Feb. 2) clarifying recent news reports about his recovery process, his legal status and plans for the future.

"Recent news reports stated that the VELVET REVOLVER frontman (and former STONE TEMPLE PILOTS singer) had walked out of, or was discharged from, a Pasadena, California recovery facility after one month. Although Weiland did move to a sober living facility, it was at the suggestion and approval of his doctors and recovery counselors.

"Mike Nasatir, a Weiland attorney, says, 'We were under the impression that Scott's move was not against the court's wishes and that Scott was in compliance with the court's orders.'

"Dr. Drew Pinsky, Weiland's primary recovery specialist and head of Las Encinas Hospital's Chemical Dependency Program, said, 'We felt that Scott completed detox by achieving the goals we set for him. He struggled diligently against a bad disease and we felt it was time for him to go to a lower level of care. It was time for him to return into the sober community and get back to the basics of sobriety while he pursued other treatment, which is a long treatment ? something that will take months and months ? but that doesn't require a hospital. It is unclear to me what is to be gained by putting him back in an in-patient environment. I am not clear that this is a good use of resources for this patient.'

"Weiland has been complying with the court order as the court acknowledged in his January 9 progress report. Weiland, according to his attorneys, has not abused illegal drugs or alcohol and is under his doctor's care. Scott continues to proactively and successfully address mental health issues, which have an organic neuropsychological basis and are pharmacologically treatable.

"Weiland wants nothing more than to successfully comply with the court's orders, continue his sobriety in the community, work with his bandmates and ultimately be reunited with his wife and children."
   
 
Source(s): http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/    
   
Thanks to: Joachim



/jarmo

Isn't that the same Dr. Drew that had that MTV sex talk show with Adam Corolla??  That guy is pretty cool and seems really intelligent so thats really cool.

Everything is up in the air once again about what is going to happen with Scott Weiland and Velvet Revolver.   :confused:

@Nasatir - Do you think the judge is an idiot?  Just because you talked your druggie client into moving to another facility after he walked out of the first court ordered one, doesn't mean it complies with the order.  ::)

@Pinsky - Maybe if you take into consideration the fact that your patient was caught smuggling drugs into rehab it might make things a little clearer for you.  :confused:

@Scott - Do yourself a favor and get a better lawyer and doctor.  :yes:
GET WELL SOON!!!   : ok:

I doubt you know the full details of what is going on, so maybe its best to act like you do.  I would assume that if Weiland was breaking a court-mandated order, he would be punished, and it seems (based on this release) as if the opposite is taking place.


Please inform me on what reliable source has confirmed that Weiland was caught smuggling drugs, because Ive yet to see one.


@Gypsy - Dont posture as a know-it-all when you really have little-to-no clue.

If you play the title track from Velvet Revolver's debut album "Contraband" backwards and at high-speed, you'll hear a subliminal messge from Scott saying "I tried to smuggle drugs into rehab and got caught."
Reliable enough a source?  :P
[lmao]


P.S.  I wasn't trying to "posture".  The point of my post was that IMO Scott is getting very bad legal advice and medical treatment.  ;)

Funny since we've heard nothing about a titletrack.  :hihi:

the m ain thing is this, no one can get scott weiland off drugs but scott weiland

slash cant do it, duff cant do it, rehab cant do it, scott is the only one who can do it for himself, till he is 100 percent ready it will never work

Source:  Classic ROCK (mag) February 2004 Issue 63
VIEW FROM THE BAR (page 18)
quote
Alas, it seems that VELVET REVOLVER frontman SCOTT WEILAND has been up to no good, even when in rehab.  Current reports emanating from the States at the time of writing suggest he's been caught trying to smuggle illegal substances into rehab!  That seems like pushing things, even for the ex-STONE TEMPLE PILOTS singer, but alas a management insider sadly let slip that the rumours are true.  From AXL to WEILAND, SLASH and co must be wondering what they've done to deserve such problems.
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Sources:  http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=952  and  www.mtv.com
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Though Scott Weiland was due in court Wednesday (February 18) to address charges of driving under the influence of drugs, the singer had his representative ask for a continuance, which was granted, since he just changed lawyers. Weiland is now due in court on Monday, when paperwork for the change of counsel will have to be submitted.
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Gypsy note:  I added the bold to the above two quotes but the words are direct quotes from the sources mentioned.

Gypsy comment:  GET WELL SOON, SCOTT   : ok:

Hopefully everything ends up well for Scott on monday

when is the closes court for Scott?

I hope we hear something today

This was posted on blabbermouth.net on February 23, 2004

SCOTT WEILAND Gets DUI Trial Date
 
According to MTV.com, VELVET REVOLVER singer Scott Weiland (ex-STONE TEMPLE PILOTS) finally got a trial date for his drug charges. The singer will stand trial for his charge of driving while under the influence of drugs starting March 15, according to the Los Angeles city attorney's office.

VELVET REVOLVER's debut CD, "Contraband", is scheduled for release on May 18 through RCA Records. First single "Slither" will be delivered March 23 to U.S. rock radio outlets for airplay consideration. Among the other tracks set for inclusion are "Sucker Train Blues", "Fall To Pieces", "Super Human", "You Got No Right", "Set Me Free" and "Headspace".