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[Updates] August 30th, 2017 Edmonton, AB @ Commonwealth Stadium
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Axl at the rehearsal this morning (Greek time) , from GNR Instagram account. with no sound.
Maybe a new song, or a one we haven't heard for a while.
Part1
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https://youtu.be/u3zhXsFMNe0
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Sort of loses its effect with no sound.
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Got to be trying something out if Axl was at soundcheck. TWAT possibly?
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Looking at those videos a few times, I'm going to go out on a limb and say it looks like he may be singing IRS.
Anyone else?
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Quote from: allwaystired on August 30, 2017, 01:15:40 PM
Looking at those videos a few times, I'm going to go out on a limb and say it looks like he may be singing IRS.
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Reading in various places that Madagascar was soundchecked today, so it could well be that.......
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I dont think its madagascar, too many lyrics
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It looks like a slower song...chances are it's probably a Chinese Democracy song but I'm gonna throw in Breakdown :-)
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It's definitely Fall To Pieces.
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Quote from: JAEBALL on August 30, 2017, 06:54:50 PM
It's definitely Fall To Pieces.
That would be amazing but seriously doubt it
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I have it on good authority that they were playing Itsy Bitsy Spider.
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Beautiful night in Edmonton. OLP is done.
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Ok what song was that? I was out of the room for a few and missed any introduction.
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Wichita Lineman--Glenn Campbell That was fucking sweet.
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Oh cool.
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Did Axl say anything about Glenn before the song?
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Holy shit, this is great.
What a show.
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Wow! Now James Brown?
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Totally jealous of Edmonton right now.
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Not one to complain but what does this guy have a decade old phone? Maybe he's got his hand over the mic
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Hey Gypsy, thank you for this show. There's some folks over at MyGNR loving on you too.
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Man this might end up being the longest show of the tour.
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Show was just shy of 3:15 by my count.
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Thanks Gypsy.
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Never bothered to listen to Glen Campbell - I'm really enjoying his music
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Didn't see that one coming! Wonder if it's taken all the time sincehis death to learn it? Presume WLM replaced BHS in the set?
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It's So Easy
Mr. Brownstone
Chinese Democracy
Welcome to the Jungle
Double Talkin' Jive
Better
Estranged
Live and Let Die
(Wings cover)
Rocket Queen
You Could Be Mine
Attitude
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This I Love
Civil War
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Yesterdays
Coma
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Slash Guitar Solo
(with 'Jonny Be Goode' jam in the middle)
Speak Softly Love (Love Theme From The Godfather)
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Sweet Child O' Mine
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Used to Love Her
My Michelle
Wish You Were Here
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November Rain
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I Feel Good
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Black Hole Sun
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Knockin' on Heaven's Door
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Whole Lotta Rosie
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Don't Cry
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Killer take on Wichita Lineman!
I liked that!
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Oh they did BHS too? Wow.
I think people may be starting to have a point that there are now a LOT of covers in the set! Too many? I don't know.
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The James Brown number was.. pretty random, don't you think?
It's nice, but not something I'd expect GN'R to play.
New theory: They're working on another covers album!
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The James Brown number was.. pretty random, don't you think?
It's nice, but not something I'd expect GN'R to play.
New theory: They're working on another covers album!
Yeah, it's an odd one!
Nah, I pitched that theory about 3 months ago on here!
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Looking at the setlist I can't see anything taken out- were the covers just additions?
So since early Europe we've had added. on a regular basis:
Patience AND Don't Cry (not either/or as it used to be)
Rosie
Yesterdays
Used To Love Her
WLM
I Feel Good
Sorry (semi-regularly)
So six songs more, on a nightly basis. Is that right? Has anything LEFT the set?
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Quote from: allwaystired on August 31, 2017, 07:32:41 AM
Looking at the setlist I can't see anything taken out- were the covers just additions?
So since early Europe we've had added. on a regular basis:
Patience AND Don't Cry (not either/or as it used to be)
Rosie
Yesterdays
Used To Love Her
WLM
I Feel Good
Sorry (semi-regularly)
So six songs more, on a nightly basis. Is that right? Has anything LEFT the set?
Well they havent played Catcher and Raw Power in a long time, but they were never regulars.
Sorry was added during the Asia/Pacific leg. And Yesterdays and during the South America leg.
Outta Get Me was a regular on the 2016 US tour then on later it was either My Michelle or Outta. Now on the 2017 US stadium leg My Michelle is the regular one.
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Quote from: rebelhipi on August 31, 2017, 07:42:42 AM
Quote from: allwaystired on August 31, 2017, 07:32:41 AM
Looking at the setlist I can't see anything taken out- were the covers just additions?
So since early Europe we've had added. on a regular basis:
Patience AND Don't Cry (not either/or as it used to be)
Rosie
Yesterdays
Used To Love Her
WLM
I Feel Good
Sorry (semi-regularly)
So six songs more, on a nightly basis. Is that right? Has anything LEFT the set?
Well they havent played Catcher and Raw Power in a long time, but they were never regulars.
Sorry was added during the Asia/Pacific leg. And Yesterdays and during the South America leg.
Outta Get Me was a regular on the 2016 US tour then on later it was either My Michelle or Outta. Now on the 2017 US stadium leg My Michelle is the regular one.
OK- but basically the set is about 6 songs longer? It basically seems to grow throughout the tour. A bit gutting for us Europeans!
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Quote from: allwaystired on August 31, 2017, 07:49:06 AM
Quote from: rebelhipi on August 31, 2017, 07:42:42 AM
Quote from: allwaystired on August 31, 2017, 07:32:41 AM
Looking at the setlist I can't see anything taken out- were the covers just additions?
So since early Europe we've had added. on a regular basis:
Patience AND Don't Cry (not either/or as it used to be)
Rosie
Yesterdays
Used To Love Her
WLM
I Feel Good
Sorry (semi-regularly)
So six songs more, on a nightly basis. Is that right? Has anything LEFT the set?
Well they havent played Catcher and Raw Power in a long time, but they were never regulars.
Sorry was added during the Asia/Pacific leg. And Yesterdays and during the South America leg.
Outta Get Me was a regular on the 2016 US tour then on later it was either My Michelle or Outta. Now on the 2017 US stadium leg My Michelle is the regular one.
OK- but basically the set is about 6 songs longer? It basically seems to grow throughout the tour. A bit gutting for us Europeans!
Correct.
The shows shortest shows were about 2,5h or less and longest shows have been around 3,15h or more So almost an hour more show.
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Quote from: allwaystired on August 31, 2017, 07:49:06 AM
Quote from: rebelhipi on August 31, 2017, 07:42:42 AM
Quote from: allwaystired on August 31, 2017, 07:32:41 AM
Looking at the setlist I can't see anything taken out- were the covers just additions?
So since early Europe we've had added. on a regular basis:
Patience AND Don't Cry (not either/or as it used to be)
Rosie
Yesterdays
Used To Love Her
WLM
I Feel Good
Sorry (semi-regularly)
So six songs more, on a nightly basis. Is that right? Has anything LEFT the set?
Well they havent played Catcher and Raw Power in a long time, but they were never regulars.
Sorry was added during the Asia/Pacific leg. And Yesterdays and during the South America leg.
Outta Get Me was a regular on the 2016 US tour then on later it was either My Michelle or Outta. Now on the 2017 US stadium leg My Michelle is the regular one.
OK- but basically the set is about 6 songs longer? It basically seems to grow throughout the tour. A bit gutting for us Europeans!
Correct.
The shows shortest shows were about 2,5h or less and longest shows have been around 3,15h or more So almost an hour more show.
I make that more like 25 mins more!
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Less covers more GNR please. 11 is too much...i'd say unecessary.
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Quote from: Bazfreak on August 31, 2017, 09:08:36 AM
Less covers more GNR please. 11 is too much...i'd say unecessary.
I do have to admit it seems a little odd that they'd take the time to learn, practice and rehearse two more covers, given the large amounts of their own material not in the set.
Not necessarily against it, but it seems a strange decision!
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In fairness I don't think anyone who attends a GnR gig can accuse them of being left short changed and with only 4 albums of original material it must be hard to choose songs that actually work in an football stadium where 90% wanna hear the hits and best known songs,but 11covers on the last gig is a bit OTT ,Axl must have a massive vault of songs stashed away in some crypt that they could throw one or two in and play more of the illusions albums ,they only played 8 from a possible 30.
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Quote from: izzyjim on August 31, 2017, 07:26:59 AM
The James Brown number was.. pretty random, don't you think?
It's nice, but not something I'd expect GN'R to play.
New theory: They're working on another covers album!
I know it won't be a popular opinion, but I'd be okay with that. Covers have always been a rich rock tradition (as have cover albums). They've got a ton of stuff to choose from at this point, so why not? I don't think it would take much away from an album of original material since there'd be no songwriting process. Just go into a studio, bang out the covers they've done live over the past few years, put out a disc.
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Where is the New gnr songs?
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Quote from: izzyjim on August 31, 2017, 07:26:59 AM
The James Brown number was.. pretty random, don't you think?
Not random at all for Axl.
Over the past decade, Axl has thrown in bits n' pieces of
I Got You (I Feel Good)
in a number of shows.
However, as far as I know, this is the first time he has performed the entire song.
It was the topic of discussion in this thread from 2006.
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=31744.0
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Quote from: GypsySoul on August 31, 2017, 04:55:22 PM
Quote from: izzyjim on August 31, 2017, 07:26:59 AM
The James Brown number was.. pretty random, don't you think?
Not random at all for Axl.
Over the past decade, Axl has thrown in bits n' pieces of
I Got You (I Feel Good)
in a number of shows.
However, as far as I know, this is the first time he has performed the entire song.
It was the topic of discussion in this thread from 2006.
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=31744.0
Hasn't it also been a warm-up soundcheck song for the band for a while?
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I think i feel good is just a "fuckin' around" song, i don't think it's really needed. Axl should do monster vocals (and this is not the case, i appreciate the soft rasp but it doesnt fit with the mood of the song) to make great this song in a hard rock concert, i think it's just out of context
Among all this covers I'd like to listen to again "sailing" by rod stewart in wich his clean voice sounds good
But I'd rather listen to something "new" (oh my god rearranged)
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Quote from: ITARocker on August 31, 2017, 06:48:55 PM
Among all this covers I'd like to listen to again "sailing" by rod stewart in wich his clean voice sounds good
Right on!
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Quote from: kyrie on August 31, 2017, 10:30:01 AM
Quote from: izzyjim on August 31, 2017, 07:26:59 AM
The James Brown number was.. pretty random, don't you think?
It's nice, but not something I'd expect GN'R to play.
New theory: They're working on another covers album!
I know it won't be a popular opinion, but I'd be okay with that. Covers have always been a rich rock tradition (as have cover albums). They've got a ton of stuff to choose from at this point, so why not? I don't think it would take much away from an album of original material since there'd be no songwriting process. Just go into a studio, bang out the covers they've done live over the past few years, put out a disc.
They'd get butchered by the fan and the press if they will, but I'm totally into it
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Quote from: GypsySoul on August 31, 2017, 04:55:22 PM
Quote from: izzyjim on August 31, 2017, 07:26:59 AM
The James Brown number was.. pretty random, don't you think?
Not random at all for Axl.
Over the past decade, Axl has thrown in bits n' pieces of
I Got You (I Feel Good)
in a number of shows.
However, as far as I know, this is the first time he has performed the entire song.
It was the topic of discussion in this thread from 2006.
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=31744.0
Fair enough, but still, unlike other covers(KOHD, Sympathy) they just "played" it, didn't really out something of their own into it, you know?
They haven't made it a GN'R tune
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Quote from: izzyjim on September 01, 2017, 03:12:52 AM
Quote from: GypsySoul on August 31, 2017, 04:55:22 PM
Quote from: izzyjim on August 31, 2017, 07:26:59 AM
The James Brown number was.. pretty random, don't you think?
Not random at all for Axl.
Over the past decade, Axl has thrown in bits n' pieces of
I Got You (I Feel Good)
in a number of shows.
However, as far as I know, this is the first time he has performed the entire song.
It was the topic of discussion in this thread from 2006.
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=31744.0
Fair enough, but still, unlike other covers(KOHD, Sympathy) they just "played" it, didn't really out something of their own into it, you know?
They haven't made it a GN'R tune
I'd agree. It was more 'covers band' than their usually style of taking covers and giving it a GNR twist. I enjoyed it, as far as it goes, but I really don't think it should be part of the regular set.
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Quote from: ITARocker on August 31, 2017, 06:48:55 PM
Among all this covers I'd like to listen to again "sailing" by rod stewart in wich his clean voice sounds good
Right on!
A studio version of that would be awesome !
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Quote from: GypsySoul on August 31, 2017, 04:55:22 PM
Quote from: izzyjim on August 31, 2017, 07:26:59 AM
The James Brown number was.. pretty random, don't you think?
Not random at all for Axl.
Over the past decade, Axl has thrown in bits n' pieces of
I Got You (I Feel Good)
in a number of shows.
However, as far as I know, this is the first time he has performed the entire song.
It was the topic of discussion in this thread from 2006.
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=31744.0
Fair enough, but still, unlike other covers(KOHD, Sympathy) they just "played" it, didn't really out something of their own into it, you know?
They haven't made it a GN'R tune
I think they did add something, the riff and the soloing are GNRish
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