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Title: Use Your Illusion outtakes
Post by: user FKA webmoster on November 20, 2007, 04:27:15 PM
Are all of these recordings from the Use Your Illusion era?

Bring It Back Home
Crash Diet
Just Another Sunday
Heartbreak Hotel
Jumpin' Jack Flash
Sentimental Movie
Ain't Goin' Down
Too Much Too Soon


Title: Re: Use Your Illusion outtakes
Post by: patcooper on November 20, 2007, 04:33:24 PM
no


Title: Re: Use Your Illusion outtakes
Post by: user FKA webmoster on November 20, 2007, 04:35:53 PM
no

which are not?


Title: Re: Use Your Illusion outtakes
Post by: speedy on November 20, 2007, 04:39:19 PM
I think that Ain't Going Down is from Appetite sessions... 


Title: Re: Use Your Illusion outtakes
Post by: AdZ on November 20, 2007, 04:40:40 PM
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/misc/recordingsessions.html


Title: Re: Use Your Illusion outtakes
Post by: user FKA webmoster on November 20, 2007, 04:48:49 PM
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/misc/recordingsessions.html

According to that link Ain't Goin Down was also recording during the Illusions sessions, however, it says that Heartbreak Hotel is from the Appetite session (three songs are listed there as Illusions songs, four are unknown, lets assume they are Illusion's). In Slash's book, and I found this on HereTodayGoneToHell also, it says they recorded 36 demos for the Use Your Illusion sessions. there are a total of 30 songs combined on both albums, take away My World and the alternate Don't Cry, and that's 28. With the 7 Illusions demos that I listed, that makes 35 from the Illusions sessions that we have. is there a song I'm missing somewhere? or is there a song we dont know about?

edit* after looking at it again, one of the unknown date ones i saw (Just Another Sunday) is also listed under Illusion sessions, and Sentimental Movie is listed under Appetite sessions. That means there are two songs unaccounted for.


Title: Re: Use Your Illusion outtakes
Post by: *Timothy* on November 20, 2007, 04:53:07 PM
Wasn't this I love written around the Illusion Time?


Title: Re: Use Your Illusion outtakes
Post by: user FKA webmoster on November 20, 2007, 04:53:56 PM
Wasn't this I love written around the Illusion Time?

what it demoed by the band tho?

edit* after looking at it again, one of the unknown date ones i saw (Just Another Sunday) is also listed under Illusion sessions, and Sentimental Movie is listed under Appetite sessions. That means there are two songs unaccounted for.


Title: Re: Use Your Illusion outtakes
Post by: jarmo on November 20, 2007, 05:15:25 PM
They recorded the UYI albums and some of the "TSI?" tracks at the same time. That was the Punk EP they talked about at the time.

Izzy originally appears on those "TSI?" songs but his parts were later re-recorded by Gilby.

I believe the songs were Attitude, Black Leather, New Rose, Down On The Farm and I Don't Care About You.

Ain't Goin' Down was recorded too.


All of these are mentioned in this RIP magazine article (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=5) from 1991.





/jarmo


Title: Re: Use Your Illusion outtakes
Post by: user FKA webmoster on November 20, 2007, 05:20:06 PM
They recorded the UYI albums and some of the "TSI?" tracks at the same time. That was the Punk EP they talked about at the time.

Izzy originally appears on those "TSI?" songs but his parts were later re-recorded by Gilby.

I believe the songs were Attitude, Black Leather, New Rose, Down On The Farm and I Don't Care About You.

Ain't Goin' Down was recorded too.


All of these are mentioned in this RIP magazine article (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=5) from 1991.





/jarmo

thanks for clearing that up, but you took away from the excitement of the mystery  ::)


Title: Re: Use Your Illusion outtakes
Post by: LIGuns on November 20, 2007, 05:30:23 PM
I find it interesting how Slash/GNR stated they "cleaned out their closet" by pulling all the old songs written around AFD and put them on UYI and by doing so they would be working w/ a clean slate for the next album.


Title: Re: Use Your Illusion outtakes
Post by: TWAT RULES on November 20, 2007, 08:18:19 PM
it's a shame they never released ain't goin' down....that song kicks fucking ass!!!


Title: Re: Use Your Illusion outtakes
Post by: ottosporteman on November 22, 2007, 08:41:58 AM
They recorded the UYI albums and some of the "TSI?" tracks at the same time. That was the Punk EP they talked about at the time.

Izzy originally appears on those "TSI?" songs but his parts were later re-recorded by Gilby.

I believe the songs were Attitude, Black Leather, New Rose, Down On The Farm and I Don't Care About You.

Ain't Goin' Down was recorded too.


All of these are mentioned in this RIP magazine article (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=5) from 1991.





/jarmo

I think Ain't It Fun was recorded at that time too, Jarmo.

That session has the Mike Monroe collaboration and the lyrics to the song even appears on UYI booklet.

But I might be wrong.


Title: Re: Use Your Illusion outtakes
Post by: ottosporteman on November 22, 2007, 08:46:43 AM
I find it interesting how Slash/GNR stated they "cleaned out their closet" by pulling all the old songs written around AFD and put them on UYI and by doing so they would be working w/ a clean slate for the next album.

I've always believed it was their intention to "close the chapter" and move on. Aparently it was only Axl's way over the years to go away from that sound and style... But I've always tought of the Illusions as the graveyard of what GN'R were at the time (the enormous big rock clich?) and that it was the band intention to move on and work more at reinventing itself.

Turns out that reinventing algo "killed" that line-up. But I also think it was the right thing to do, by any cost. It would be extremely boring and painfull to hear the same songs over and over again, with different lyrics and solos (as do Bon Jovi's, Cr?e's, Van Halen's etc)

Sorry for my poor english,

Otto.


Title: Re: Use Your Illusion outtakes
Post by: jarmo on November 22, 2007, 11:12:08 AM
They recorded the UYI albums and some of the "TSI?" tracks at the same time. That was the Punk EP they talked about at the time.

Izzy originally appears on those "TSI?" songs but his parts were later re-recorded by Gilby.

I believe the songs were Attitude, Black Leather, New Rose, Down On The Farm and I Don't Care About You.

Ain't Goin' Down was recorded too.


All of these are mentioned in this RIP magazine article (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=5) from 1991.





/jarmo

I think Ain't It Fun was recorded at that time too, Jarmo.

That session has the Mike Monroe collaboration and the lyrics to the song even appears on UYI booklet.

But I might be wrong.


I think you're right. I forgot that one.


"And we just added the 36th song," says Duff McKagan. "One with [ex-Hanoi Rock leader] Michael Monroe. It's called 'Ain't it Fun.' It's kind of a spooky song, 'cause it's like, 'Ain't it fun/You're gonna die young.' It's a Dead Boys song we redid with Axl and Mike singing."


Guns N' Roses The Illusion Of Greatness by Lonn M. Friend (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=5)
RIP June 1991



/jarmo


Title: Re: Use Your Illusion outtakes
Post by: AbominableHoman on November 22, 2007, 05:21:37 PM
Crash Diet is one of my favorite Guns N' Roses songs. I think Wes Arkeen does an awesome job.


Title: Re: Use Your Illusion outtakes
Post by: Bill 213 on November 22, 2007, 07:06:51 PM
Didn't one of the band members once say they recorded a version of The Stooges' "Down on the Street"?  I would have loved to hear that one.


Title: Re: Use Your Illusion outtakes
Post by: CaughtMeInaComa on November 22, 2007, 09:55:49 PM
Are all of these recordings from the Use Your Illusion era?

Bring It Back Home
Crash Diet
Just Another Sunday
Heartbreak Hotel
Jumpin' Jack Flash
Sentimental Movie
Ain't Goin' Down
Too Much Too Soon

Out of all these songs only Ain't goin' Down is the only one possibly from UYI era. Cause it sounds like Matt's count off in the begining. The rest are Appetite era. But all are Awsome!


Title: Re: Use Your Illusion outtakes
Post by: BurningHills on November 23, 2007, 04:21:50 AM
Two songs were recorded for TSI? that were never released, and the demos have never escaped, either.

They were:

Beer And A Cigarette - Hanoi Rocks
Down On The Street - Iggy And The Stooges

And there's also "Nightcrawler" from the UYI sessions. A demo w/vocals exists, but the quality is horrible, and no lyrics can be made out.


Title: Re: Use Your Illusion outtakes
Post by: BurningHills on November 23, 2007, 04:23:11 AM
Also, it's my personal belief that Bring It Back Home, Just Another Sunday, Too Much Too Soon and Sentimental Movie are from the UYI sessions AFTER Steven's firing, and BEFORE Matt's hiring - hence the use of the drum machine and not an actual drummer.


Title: Re: Use Your Illusion outtakes
Post by: CaughtMeInaComa on November 23, 2007, 10:58:57 PM
Also, it's my personal belief that Bring It Back Home, Just Another Sunday, Too Much Too Soon and Sentimental Movie are from the UYI sessions AFTER Steven's firing, and BEFORE Matt's hiring - hence the use of the drum machine and not an actual drummer.

I understand the confusion, it is almost all the time labeled as UYI songs. I don't see how you can listen to Sentimentel Movie and think that is from UYI . The song is possibly one of the lamest Demo songs ever. If that song is from UYI era I would denounce the band for ever!
It sounds like it's Slash/duff's first song they ever wrote. Really a throw away song. but fun to hear 25 years later.


Title: Re: Use Your Illusion outtakes
Post by: ibelieveinaxl on November 24, 2007, 12:41:57 AM
Two songs were recorded for TSI? that were never released, and the demos have never escaped, either.

They were:

Beer And A Cigarette - Hanoi Rocks
Down On The Street - Iggy And The Stooges

And there's also "Nightcrawler" from the UYI sessions. A demo w/vocals exists, but the quality is horrible, and no lyrics can be made out.

there is NO "Nightcrawler" demo...the demo you are talking about was a fake that was floated around....


Title: Re: Use Your Illusion outtakes
Post by: ibelieveinaxl on November 24, 2007, 12:46:07 AM
Also, it's my personal belief that Bring It Back Home, Just Another Sunday, Too Much Too Soon and Sentimental Movie are from the UYI sessions AFTER Steven's firing, and BEFORE Matt's hiring - hence the use of the drum machine and not an actual drummer.

ive been wondering about these timing issues since i got these demos in 1990 or so...i still dont think any information out there has definitively answered who was on drums and exactly when they were recorded. i do hear the drum machine on some tracks and i also hear a female backing vocal...any idea who that is?? (on "just another sunday").