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Title: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: sergejg on September 23, 2004, 12:12:59 AM
I was just listening to some mp3 bootlegs and I was just wondering why can't they play Oh My God live without mistakes? I don't think the song is really that complex.


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: Schwarzgold on September 23, 2004, 02:27:03 AM
I can't  answer this question (because I'm not a musician), but I always had the same thoughts about the Intro of "YCBM" - everytime I saw a video of the new band, they fucked it up somehow. Is it that complicated?


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: hackvresse on September 23, 2004, 04:16:54 AM
It's not that easy but they are prof. musicians...


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: Butch Français on September 23, 2004, 04:51:43 AM
haven't they played OMG live only once?
and as for YCBM, have you only watched the RIR3 show? cos that's the only show Ive seen where they've fucked up the intro.


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: nesquick on September 23, 2004, 06:02:58 AM
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but I always had the same thoughts about the Intro of "YCBM" - everytime I saw a video of the new band, they fucked it up somehow. Is it that complicated?
It's not easy indeed. However on YCBM I noticed the main problem always come from Brain (listen to chicago'02 for exemple). It happens sometimes, mistake is human? :P


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: Butch Français on September 23, 2004, 07:34:13 AM
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but I always had the same thoughts about the Intro of "YCBM" - everytime I saw a video of the new band, they fucked it up somehow. Is it that complicated?
It's not easy indeed. However on YCBM I noticed the main problem always come from Brain (listen to chicago'02 for exemple). It happens sometimes, mistake is human? :P

at rio it was definately BH or Finck fuckin up.


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: 2NaFish on September 23, 2004, 08:08:28 AM
haven't they played OMG live only once?

It was also played at detroit and, i think, the las vegas shows.


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: izzbo on September 23, 2004, 10:42:02 AM
Not true. It was played 4 total times. 3 times in Las Vegas 01/01/01, 12/29/02, 12/31/02 and once in Rio. They played Rhiad in Detroit


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: mikegiuliana on September 23, 2004, 10:50:08 AM
People fuck up live, no big to do..


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: Thorazine Shuffle on September 23, 2004, 11:13:27 AM
RIR the problem is Brains monitor.  You can see him telling Bucket and Tommy he can't hear. Watch closely.  Nothings worse onstage than not hearing anything but yourself.  As a guitarist sometimes I can only hear the drums.


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: shaun on September 23, 2004, 11:49:21 AM
On the subject of OMG, does anybody else notice the similarities between OMG and the beginning section of Velvet Revolvers Slither? ...and on the subject of Slither, it is about the only VR song that's grown on me so far  : ok:


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on September 23, 2004, 12:01:24 PM
On the subject of OMG, does anybody else notice the similarities between OMG and the beginning section of Velvet Revolvers Slither? ...and on the subject of Slither, it is about the only VR song that's grown on me so far? : ok:

The demo of slither is the only version of it that I like.


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: PhillyRiot on September 23, 2004, 12:31:09 PM
It got F'd up big time at the Las Vegas show I went to on 12/29/02.  Axl's mic stopped working and he and the rest of the band walked off the stage, giving me a huge scare for someone who took a 4 1/2 plane ride to see them.


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: Voodoochild on September 23, 2004, 12:53:14 PM
I was just listening to some mp3 bootlegs and I was just wondering why can't they play Oh My God live without mistakes? I don't think the song is really that complex.
Really? 'Cause the only TWO bootlegs with OMG are Rio and Las Vegas and, for sure, I can say the LV version is almost flawless.


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: lennonisgod on September 23, 2004, 05:07:27 PM
I thought the reason they fucked it up in Rio is because of Axl.  He didn't sing the right words at the end.  I think he added a line and then the whole band stopped and he sang "The only one in the game who's lost is you!" by himself.  I thought it made for a pretty cool ending, even though Axl fucked it up.  I might be wrong about this cause I haven't watched Rio for over a year, but I doubt it.


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: Thorazine Shuffle on September 23, 2004, 05:52:45 PM
I thought the reason they fucked it up in Rio is because of Axl.? He didn't sing the right words at the end.? I think he added a line and then the whole band stopped and he sang "The only one in the game who's lost is you!" by himself.? I thought it made for a pretty cool ending, even though Axl fucked it up.? I might be wrong about this cause I haven't watched Rio for over a year, but I doubt it.

I never noticed the added line.? I just thought the band screwed that one up.? But you could be right.? I was referring in my previous post to YCBM at RIR
RIR the problem is Brains monitor.? You can see him telling Bucket and Tommy he can't hear. Watch closely.? Nothings worse onstage than not hearing anything but yourself.? As a guitarist sometimes I can only hear the drums.


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: elevendayempire on September 23, 2004, 06:06:05 PM
I thought the reason they fucked it up in Rio is because of Axl.? He didn't sing the right words at the end.? I think he added a line and then the whole band stopped and he sang "The only one in the game who's lost is you!" by himself.? I thought it made for a pretty cool ending, even though Axl fucked it up.? I might be wrong about this cause I haven't watched Rio for over a year, but I doubt it.

Yup, the closing line's meant to be:

"Oooh, when we're done with the show
Like the tides out on the ocean
The wave's already set in motion
The only one in the game who's lost is you."

And by mistake, Axl swaps the opening one line with the opening two lines of the regular chorus:

"Oooh, if it opens your eyes,
Well just bet on a little less compromise
Like the tides out on the ocean
The wave's already set in motion
The only one in the game who's lost is you."

The band deserve credit for not being thrown by Axl's cock up...

SG


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: badobsession81 on September 23, 2004, 08:48:31 PM
yeh, i really like that ending, even though twas a mistake. think is really powerful to just have the vocals blast out after the band stop suddenly. :-D


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: killingvector on September 23, 2004, 09:32:30 PM
yeah, i was at 12/29 vegas, second row center, and i have to say I enjoyed the instrumental version of OMG that they played.


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on September 23, 2004, 09:36:42 PM
I thought the reason they fucked it up in Rio is because of Axl.? He didn't sing the right words at the end.? I think he added a line and then the whole band stopped and he sang "The only one in the game who's lost is you!" by himself.? I thought it made for a pretty cool ending, even though Axl fucked it up.? I might be wrong about this cause I haven't watched Rio for over a year, but I doubt it.

Yup, the closing line's meant to be:

"Oooh, when we're done with the show
Like the tides out on the ocean
The wave's already set in motion
The only one in the game who's lost is you."


Its actually ohh well its on with the show ;)


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: sergejg on September 24, 2004, 04:09:27 AM
yeh, i really like that ending, even though twas a mistake. think is really powerful to just have the vocals blast out after the band stop suddenly. :-D

yes, actually it sounds better than the original song ending. hehe.


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: IndiannaRose on September 24, 2004, 01:49:42 PM
yeh, i really like that ending, even though twas a mistake. think is really powerful to just have the vocals blast out after the band stop suddenly. :-D

yes, actually it sounds better than the original song ending. hehe.
Couldn't agree more. That "fucked up" ending sounded better than the original studio version's ending. I really hope Axl took that "fuck up" into consideration. :hihi: :hihi:


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: estranged.1098 on September 24, 2004, 03:00:45 PM
RIR the problem is Brains monitor.? You can see him telling Bucket and Tommy he can't hear. Watch closely.? Nothings worse onstage than not hearing anything but yourself.? As a guitarist sometimes I can only hear the drums.

I like the angry look Axl gives to Brain in that part.  :hihi:


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: damnthehaters on September 24, 2004, 05:31:59 PM
I got a question.  Does "Oh My God" necessarily have to be on Chinese Democracy?  I wouldn't think so and I can compare it to Sympathy for the Devil.  Is this true?   


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: estranged.1098 on September 24, 2004, 05:39:07 PM
I got a question.? Does "Oh My God" necessarily have to be on Chinese Democracy?? I wouldn't think so and I can compare it to Sympathy for the Devil.? Is this true?? ?

It doesn't have to be and I don't think it will be, but if it's it will be a very different version than the one heard on "End of Days" soundtrack.


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: Loaded NightraiN on September 24, 2004, 07:01:35 PM
yeh, i really like that ending, even though twas a mistake. think is really powerful to just have the vocals blast out after the band stop suddenly. :-D

yes, actually it sounds better than the original song ending. hehe.
Couldn't agree more. That "fucked up" ending sounded better than the original studio version's ending. I really hope Axl took that "fuck up" into consideration. :hihi: :hihi:


I just think he might.... Cause if you look at his face right after hes got a huge smile...Sorta like 'Holy shit that was awesome'!!


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: damnthehaters on September 24, 2004, 07:45:08 PM
I got a question.? Does "Oh My God" necessarily have to be on Chinese Democracy?? I wouldn't think so and I can compare it to Sympathy for the Devil.? Is this true?? ?

It doesn't have to be and I don't think it will be, but if it's it will be a very different version than the one heard on "End of Days" soundtrack.


Do you really think that it will be that much different, and why?  But if it is changed, I wouldn't mind being able to understand Axl a little better.


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: Loaded NightraiN on September 24, 2004, 11:17:39 PM
I got a question.? Does "Oh My God" necessarily have to be on Chinese Democracy?? I wouldn't think so and I can compare it to Sympathy for the Devil.? Is this true?? ?

It doesn't have to be and I don't think it will be, but if it's it will be a very different version than the one heard on "End of Days" soundtrack.


Do you really think that it will be that much different, and why?? But if it is changed, I wouldn't mind being able to understand Axl a little better.

I personally think that because the End of Days version is only a demo.........And live it is also much different than EOD...


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: sergejg on September 27, 2004, 01:56:39 AM
I got a question.? Does "Oh My God" necessarily have to be on Chinese Democracy?? I wouldn't think so and I can compare it to Sympathy for the Devil.? Is this true?? ?

It doesn't have to be and I don't think it will be, but if it's it will be a very different version than the one heard on "End of Days" soundtrack.


I don't think they should use the space for one track that we already know, but who knows. Hey by the way, who played in the original 99 version of "oh my god"? Im guessing that Brain and Bucket where not in the band during that year.


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: ClintroN on September 27, 2004, 03:09:50 AM
Hey guys, im a muso n' im tellin' ya Oh My God is bloody complicated to play, stops n' changes, it's not that easy :no:

Plus, YCBM intro was not anyones fault, that whole fuckin' gig those poor bastards had nothin' but trouble, they couldnt here a damn thing, Tommy is the one that missed his intro, and yes you can clearly see Brain shaking his head yellin' somethin', they couldnt here shit :no:



Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on September 27, 2004, 08:38:06 AM
I got a question.? Does "Oh My God" necessarily have to be on Chinese Democracy?? I wouldn't think so and I can compare it to Sympathy for the Devil.? Is this true?? ?

It doesn't have to be and I don't think it will be, but if it's it will be a very different version than the one heard on "End of Days" soundtrack.



I don't think they should use the space for one track that we already know, but who knows. Hey by the way, who played in the original 99 version of "oh my god"? Im guessing that Brain and Bucket where not in the band during that year.

Axl, Dizzy, Tommy, Paul, Dave Navarro, Gary Sunshine and Josh Freese.
As for Robin Axl says robins parts are on there but I thought I remember Robin saying he didnt think his parts are on the song.  But they could just be buried since that is a lot of guitar parts for one song.


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: sergejg on September 28, 2004, 03:41:02 AM
I got a question.? Does "Oh My God" necessarily have to be on Chinese Democracy?? I wouldn't think so and I can compare it to Sympathy for the Devil.? Is this true?? ?

It doesn't have to be and I don't think it will be, but if it's it will be a very different version than the one heard on "End of Days" soundtrack.



I don't think they should use the space for one track that we already know, but who knows. Hey by the way, who played in the original 99 version of "oh my god"? Im guessing that Brain and Bucket where not in the band during that year.

Axl, Dizzy, Tommy, Paul, Dave Navarro, Gary Sunshine and Josh Freese.
As for Robin Axl says robins parts are on there but I thought I remember Robin saying he didnt think his parts are on the song.? But they could just be buried since that is a lot of guitar parts for one song.

who is Gary Sunshine and Josh Freese?


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: jarmo on September 28, 2004, 08:20:14 AM
who is Gary Sunshine and Josh Freese?


Gary used to be Axl's guitar teacher, Josh used to be the drummer in GN'R before Brain joined.




/jarmo


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: F*ck Fear on September 28, 2004, 07:12:16 PM
I think the RIR3 version of You Could Be Mine is the best version by the new band.....Yea Brain fucks it up,but it still sounds good.....During the 2002 tour the intro didn't sound like the You Could Be Mine intro.

As for Oh My God,I like the way it was played in RIR3,with Axl siging with no music behind him at the end....But if you listen to the Vegas 2001 version,it is not fucked up at all.


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: R4tfink on September 29, 2004, 10:56:05 AM
If i want a perfect rendition of a song i will buy it on CD, thats what the studio is for, so everything is "perfect" or close to "perfect".

When i go to a live show. i expect mistakes, improvisation, fuck ups or whatever, it adds to the whole musical experience.

If you went to a live show and everything sounded exactly the same as the album...whats the point in going? You may as well sit at home with a CD player and listen to it over and over again in its perfect Studio produced quality.

The answer to the original question?

I dont know.



Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on September 29, 2004, 05:59:13 PM
If i want a perfect rendition of a song i will buy it on CD, thats what the studio is for, so everything is "perfect" or close to "perfect".

When i go to a live show. i expect mistakes, improvisation, fuck ups or whatever, it adds to the whole musical experience.

If you went to a live show and everything sounded exactly the same as the album...whats the point in going? You may as well sit at home with a CD player and listen to it over and over again in its perfect Studio produced quality.

The answer to the original question?

I dont know.



yeah if you want to hear it exactally how it sounds on the albums go to a BSB or Spears concert where they lip synch to a tape.  :P


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: F*ck Fear on September 29, 2004, 07:48:09 PM
If i want a perfect rendition of a song i will buy it on CD, thats what the studio is for, so everything is "perfect" or close to "perfect".

When i go to a live show. i expect mistakes, improvisation, fuck ups or whatever, it adds to the whole musical experience.

If you went to a live show and everything sounded exactly the same as the album...whats the point in going? You may as well sit at home with a CD player and listen to it over and over again in its perfect Studio produced quality.

The answer to the original question?

I dont know.



yeah if you want to hear it exactally how it sounds on the albums go to a BSB or Spears concert where they lip synch to a tape.? :P

Dave,
I understand where AxlHogg is coming from....But I also understand that I don't want the band to sound like shit live either....Plus seeing them live is the whole point....You are SEEING them live.


Title: Re: Why can't they play Oh my god without mistakes?
Post by: darkdays_01 on October 02, 2004, 10:02:28 PM

yeah if you want to hear it exactally how it sounds on the albums go to a BSB or Spears concert where they lip synch to a tape.? :P
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Dont agree with Dave a whole lot but you hit the mark right on with that comment. : ok: