Why isn't the new gnr considered a supergroup?

[dave-gnfnr2k]

I was thinking today about why isn't the new gnr considered a supergroup?
Think about it, you have VR who is considered one, they got members of gnr and stp.
Audio slave is considered one bc they have members from soundgarden and rage.
Temple of the dog was considered one and so was mad season, but the new gnr is not.
They have Axl and Dizzy from old gnr, tommy from the replacements, robin from nin, fortus from psychiallic furs, bh from a lot of stuff and brian from primus.
So why arent gnr considered a supergroup is it just because they kept the guns n roses name?
When Cd comes out, i still dont see them being called one.

[Dave_Rose]

Well super groups just change there names and to be honest I didn't know who any of the new gn'r members were until they joined GN'R

[the dirt]

Maybe it's beacause Brain, BH, Fortus and Pittman aren't considered Super enough.

Their acts didn't sell that well, STP + GNR did...

[ppbebe]

And maybe they don?t want themselves to be considered so?

Do you think "super group" sounds cool?

[the dirt]

And maybe they don?t want themselves to be considered so?

I don't think it's up to them, what people consider them to be.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Maybe it's beacause Brain, BH, Fortus and Pittman aren't considered Super enough.

Their acts didn't sell that well, STP + GNR did...

I thought talent has nothing to do with sales? Hmmmm

[the dirt]

Maybe it's beacause Brain, BH, Fortus and Pittman aren't considered Super enough.

Their acts didn't sell that well, STP + GNR did...

I thought talent has nothing to do with sales? Hmmmm

Wheather it does or does'nt, that's beside the point, and your question.

[gnrfan1797]

I don't think that they care if they are a super group or not. In my mind they are and i'm sure in alot of your minds they are to, and that should be good enough for us

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Maybe it's beacause Brain, BH, Fortus and Pittman aren't considered Super enough.

Their acts didn't sell that well, STP + GNR did...

I thought talent has nothing to do with sales? Hmmmm

Wheather it does or does'nt, that's beside the point, and your question.

NIN, Primus, and the replacements are all very popular, that is my point.

[SOH]

Trent Reznor and Les Claypool are popular.

[darkmonth]

Dave,

the simple answer is this :

No one (the majority of the developed world) knew who the fuck Tommy, Robin, Buckethead, Dizzy , Richard etc were before they joined GnR (and the majority of the developed world STILL doesn't).

The names Slash and Scott Weiland are HOUSEHOLD names to many many people in the world.  Duff and Matt are known well out of the league of Robin and co.  So, that's why.  They have made way more of an impact in the world of music and that's the simple fact.

[Mr Cowbell ?]

The fact they are under Guns N Roses name I think keeps them from it the most. Usually a Supergroup froms from 2 Huge groups and they pick a new name.

The replacements were alright but they werent to mainstream level.

Wasnt he also only a touring member with NIN, not a studio member?


When the average person thinks of supergroups they think of two big names that when emerged make something greater. Being a subpar band doesnt really cut it. Adler's Appetite isnt considered a Supergroup by the mainstream.

[Ignatius]

Maybe it's beacause Brain, BH, Fortus and Pittman aren't considered Super enough.

Their acts didn't sell that well, STP + GNR did...

I thought talent has nothing to do with sales? Hmmmm

Wheather it does or does'nt, that's beside the point, and your question.

NIN, Primus, and the replacements are all very popular, that is my point.

I know what you are saying Dave, but neither of the new gnr members were the most popular names within those bands. Had Axl recruited Trent, Les Claypool and Paul Westerberg, we would be talking about a supergroup.

What GNR could be though, is far more talented than VR or Audioslave, but we are yet to find that out.

Edit: and by the way, the Replacements never were highly popular.

[younggunner]

Basically its because the members of GNR werent that popular. Robin really didnt have that much of a impact in NIN. NIN is all about trent. And Brain and Bucket are more underground and not known. Same with Fortus. The only one that peopel would really know about is Tommy.

Supergroups are when the all stars of bands join forces.

So if Axl got lets say Twiggy, Zak Wylde, and Dave Grohl that would definately be considered a supergroup....

That leads to another thing. Im glad to see that Axl didnt go that route. Im glad he let things run its course and a band developed rather than trying to get all stars. Thats what will make things much sweeter when CD is released. If in fact CD is great,it will be from a bunch of guys who had no big mainstream success. And thats whats exciting. Thats why I love this band. They have evolved into something and now the music just needs to be heard.

Yes the name is there. And no doubt it helps, but when it gets down to it, its about the music they make. Its going to be a fun ride. I just wish the line wasnt this big.

[ppbebe]

I 2nd More Cowbell.

And maybe they don?t want themselves to be considered so?

I don't think it's up to them, what people consider them to be.

OK, but who consider so and why. Isn?t it the media who tells people how and whatever to call them in the majority of case? I thought Dave is referring it, right, Dave?
Still I?ve heard n seen occasional Supergroup calling on them from non-media people tho.
Then what if they describe themselves as non-super group to the media people?

I'm only suggesting this as one of faint but not so impossible option on the side.

Because I'm sure it?s just me, but "super group" somehow sounds, "bunch of has-beens".

[Falcon]

Two logical reasons:

1. They're under the brand name GNR

2. The players you mentioned were amongst a revolving door of musicians (less Stinson) in their respective groups they played in and weren't creative forces or considered prominent from a public standpoint. 

BH's clainm to fame up until GNR was a failed audition for the RHCP.

[Ignatius]

Two logical reasons:

1. They're under the brand name GNR

2. The players you mentioned were amongst a revolving door of musicians (less Stinson) in their respective groups they played in and weren't creative forces or considered prominent from a public standpoint.?

BH's clainm to fame up until GNR was a failed audition for the RHCP.

Really? When was this?

[younggunner]

early 90's when there original guitarist died. Flea said they liked Buckethead but he wasnt there style. Something to that effect.

[Falcon]

early 90's when there original guitarist died. Flea said they liked Buckethead but he wasnt there style. Something to that effect.

I thought it was pre Dave Navarro or directly thereafter, not sure.

Maybe someone can dig up the timeline..

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Ah so supergroups have less to do with talent and more to do with other things.
That is why most mainstream music sucks.

But like i said on madseason was a supergroup but besides the singer there was not really  a huge well known name in that band.