Why Chinese Democracy is going to be so huge

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Judging from what people on various gnr boards and other boards like sludge, ign and the rope this album is going to have something for everyone.  Axl was not kidding when he said this song is going to be a melting pot album.  Everyone has a different favorite song and someone may love Better the best and hate CITR but another maybe think CITR is the best and hate better.  I think CD is going to appeal to a wide range of people from 16 year olds to 40 year olds that grew up with guns.

[RichardNixon]

I think what the album really needs is two real strong, catchy singles. In short, CD needs its SCOM to take off.

[benchiefjr]

I think a release date needs to be announced by Monday 

[DoubleTalkingJive]

I agree...I think if CD is going to be compared to previous gnr albums it should be compared to Illusions...all different types of songs that someone can definitely find one that they can call there fav or really identify with. ? I really can't wait for this to be released

[Naupis]

Axl was not kidding when he said this song is going to be a melting pot album.

For as much as it can be a good thing it can also be a bad thing. In retrospect, for as good as the Illusions albums were they are generally critiqued for the lack of flow and scattered feeling the albums give.

It sounds like CD will suffer the same fate of being all over the map and having no real focus. There is a fine line between variety and lack of direction. Axl needs to tread very carefully.

[KIKO2K6]

The GOOD the BAD the Ugly   GUNS N ROSES  UYL ERA !


all different types of songs  thats okay for me .

[Ax]

One thing we have to keep in mind is that Axl has said in the past that he is working on multiple albums, so these leaks could be from different albums. Meaning that each album will be focused on a specific kind of sound. I might be wrong, but that's just a thought that CD might not be as all over the place as the illusion albums were because I think with the illusion albums they just put pretty much every song they had on the records and put them out there.

[jameslofton29]

Judging from what people on various gnr boards and other boards like sludge, ign and the rope this album is going to have something for everyone.? Axl was not kidding when he said this song is going to be a melting pot album.? Everyone has a different favorite song and someone may love Better the best and hate CITR but another maybe think CITR is the best and hate better.? I think CD is going to appeal to a wide range of people from 16 year olds to 40 year olds that grew up with guns.

I pretty much agree with you here, dave. But I have serious doubts that teenagers will be able to connect with what Axl is doing. Lyrically, Axl is taking things to a high level and I dont think many teens will be able to relate. Look at this forum for example. Quite a few of the people not liking these songs are very young. They just dont understand it. It will be like that even more in the real world. Only way this catches on is if there's some simple rock tune that gets major airplay, or if teens start buying CD because its the "cool" thing to do at the moment.
 

[big_machine]

3 CD....WOW...THAT`S HUGE.......    I THINK IT`LL BE AN EPIC ALBUM...MORE THAN THE ILLUSIONS 
LET`S HOPE TEENAGERS BUY THE ALBUM...IF THE MAGNAMENT IS GOOD..MAYBE THEY WILL  MAKE IT...

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Axl was not kidding when he said this song is going to be a melting pot album.

For as much as it can be a good thing it can also be a bad thing. In retrospect, for as good as the Illusions albums were they are generally critiqued for the lack of flow and scattered feeling the albums give.

It sounds like CD will suffer the same fate of being all over the map and having no real focus. There is a fine line between variety and lack of direction. Axl needs to tread very carefully.

Yeah but if I wanted that I would listen to AC DC who just keep writing the same songs and albums over and over again. Axl likes to mix it up and that is why his albums and sounds never sound a like. Think about it, no two gnr songs (save dont cry) sound anything a like. They all have a very different feel and sound unlike a band like AD CD who just make the same kind of songs over and over and its gets really boring.

They can call it lack of focus or direction all they want but I will take 14 unique songs on an album over an album of 14 songs that all sound a like or have the same style.

[Thorned Rose]

I think what the album really needs is two real strong, catchy singles. In short, CD needs its SCOM to take off.

I don't think they will have another #1 single. The band is far too out of the time of importance for this music and it won't happen. They could land a top 20 single I would say... but not no SCOM.

Gn'R can't get a #1 single right now. No matter what. It just won't get up there with the pop and rap hip hop be bop wooo wop BS that is out there.

The album will take off. It will probably go platium within 2 months max. I say within a month if they promote it correctly.

But hey, it's been promoted for not being released... why bother? 

[Chief]

they may get a #1 rock single, that is very likely.. but yea with all the crap that is infiltrating the charts it will be difficult to get #1 even with the best song just because of the listening habits of people these days....

[mikegiuliana]

I really hope it is huge, I may not always agree with the using of the name, but I rather see them succeed then fail being it is a gnr album... Plus my love for axl's voice and the positive feedback can only better our chances or hearing him yet again (with not the same wait, I hope ) So lets hope he sets the wheels in motion..

I also fear that talent doesn't always dictate success in today's watered down music industry, plus the idea of waiting so long for anything no matter how good it may be might really hurt this project... One thing is for sure it won't be hurt from lack of people talking about it in the music media..

So lets hope everything goes well and that cd isn't one of those really good albums that goes over everyone's head and was released and the wrong time in life... Always remember you switch november rain with estranged and one would be th other hit wise getting air time to this day..

[speed_stone]

being a teenager is hardly an excuse, i was seven and loving axl's lyrics.
who needs the dumbfucks, they come in all ages anyway. fuck'em.

[badapple81]

I think you'll find a lot of fans like say 4, 5 or 6 songs totally different to another set of say 5 or 6 songs another will love. It's so diverse that I'm sure a lot of fans will love the entire album, but I think there will be something for everyone on at least a few tracks.

[speed_stone]

there will be something for everyone

at least a few tracks

you really like quoting axl, don't you

[badapple81]

Actually I hadn't even thought about it. So unless you are contributing to the topic keep your rolling eyes to yourself 

[Megaguns]

I think what the album really needs is two real strong, catchy singles. In short, CD needs its SCOM to take off.

who says we have heard the best yet? I say there are gonna be some fukin bad ass tunes on there we dont even know about yet.

[Dont Try Me]

I think it will be huge cause of the great songs.........and if it really will be 3 cd's with strong material it wil be the biggest comeback ever. 

[A Private Eye]

I think what the album really needs is two real strong, catchy singles. In short, CD needs its SCOM to take off.

I don't think they will have another #1 single. The band is far too out of the time of importance for this music and it won't happen. They could land a top 20 single I would say... but not no SCOM.

Gn'R can't get a #1 single right now. No matter what. It just won't get up there with the pop and rap hip hop be bop wooo wop BS that is out there.

I think GNR could get to no. 1 again, I think a catchy rocker could make no. 1 quite easily. The rock scene here in the UK is certainly looking better than it did a couple of years ago. The big band in the UK at the moment are The Arctic Monkeys, there first 2 singles have gone to no.1 there album has been no.1 for about 5 weeks now as well. I admit they're no GNR but they are a hell of a lot closer to a GNR sound than most of the shit out there today. If rock begins to enter the mainstream again and is accepted and is reaching no.1 in the charts again then I see no reason why a well hyped return from such a legendary band as GNR, with a catchy rock song as a first single could not make no.1 in the charts.? ?

[Amanda]

Yeah

[A Private Eye]

I admit they're no GNR but they are a hell of a lot closer to a GNR sound than most of the shit out there today? ?

What?? Have I missed something...

Don't get me wrong I'm not comparing them to GNR in any way, I was just trying to highlight that music by a band with a drummer, a bass and a lead guitar can still make no.1. And their music is closer to a GNR sound than say Notorious B.I.G. lol.

[A Private Eye]

I read in a magazine ages ago "Notorious B.I.G and Tupac have released more albums then Axl Rose since they've been dead"

  See, nothing like GNR 

[mikegiuliana]

I read in a magazine ages ago "Notorious B.I.G and Tupac have released more albums then Axl Rose since they've been dead"

tup has released more albums and done more movie dead then axl has done alive

[oldgunsfan]

wow, I've been hearing how huge chinese democracy is gonna be for the last 4 years and to this day, it's still sold zero copies.....so until a release date is stated, there is nothing to get excited about because I've been thru this buzz and chatter before without having the damn disc

[Voodoochild]

wow, I've been hearing how huge chinese democracy is gonna be for the last 4 years and to this day, it's still sold zero copies.....so until a release date is stated, there is nothing to get excited about because I've been thru this buzz and chatter before without having the damn disc

You hadn't the demos, so now you have an idea in how good the sound will be. So, stop the whine.

[oldgunsfan]

wow, I've been hearing how huge chinese democracy is gonna be for the last 4 years and to this day, it's still sold zero copies.....so until a release date is stated, there is nothing to get excited about because I've been thru this buzz and chatter before without having the damn disc

You hadn't the demos, so now you have an idea in how good the sound will be. So, stop the whine.

based on the demos and live performances, I'm really looking forward to VRs 2nd album

i'm hoping CD is better than some of the songs I've heard, because if not, I will be dissapointed, especially after having looked forward to the next GnR album for 15 years

[mikegiuliana]

wow, I've been hearing how huge chinese democracy is gonna be for the last 4 years and to this day, it's still sold zero copies.....so until a release date is stated, there is nothing to get excited about because I've been thru this buzz and chatter before without having the damn disc

You hadn't the demos, so now you have an idea in how good the sound will be. So, stop the whine.

based on the demos and live performances, I'm really looking forward to VRs 2nd album

i'm hoping CD is better than some of the songs I've heard, because if not, I will be dissapointed, especially after having looked forward to the next GnR album for 15 years

*runs for the hills* you are in for it now

[Millions]

All this discussion about popularity, etc. But its really quite simple. Will CD be big? Well, I think its fair to assume at least as big as Velvet Revolver. Add in a successful single, and the GNR name and Bobs your uncle.

But the thing is, will everyone be satisfied with a record as big as velvet Revolver after all this time and money?

I'm thinking the record company. I'm thinking about fans....?

[mikegiuliana]

All this discussion about popularity, etc. But its really quite simple. Will CD be big? Well, I think its fair to assume at least as big as Velvet Revolver. Add in a successful single, and the GNR name and Bobs your uncle.

But the thing is, will everyone be satisfied with a record as big as velvet Revolver after all this time and money?

I'm thinking the record company. I'm thinking about fans....?

I only care about sales because it'll give old axl some confidence which in turn can give us more music and give the promoters some insurance to run new gun's tours..

No doubt that cd should go double platinum.. I think a album called gnr maybe something said like first new album in 15 years or since 1991 will  be a good way to plug it..... The idea is will the public buy into it or not??  I know it'll sell like crazy outside the usa

[1badapple]

no matter how good the cd is, the fact that it took so long to make will weigh in heavily on people's minds, especially the fukkin' critics. ?

There's also the possibility that the cd will do good the first couple of weeks, then bomb after all the die hards have bought it. ?This cd is not going to change the face of music, anyone who thinks it will is gonna end up disappointed i think. i like the songs i've heard so far- with the exception of Silkworms, but i really don't think it'll have the same impact as Appetite did. If Axl is still hell bent on "burying appetite", i'm sorry to say, but that's something he'll never accomplish. I hope he has gotten over that.

it's kinda funny that everyone talks about how huge it's going to be like it's just a fact. I really hope it does get HUGE, but i won't hold my breath. ?i agree that it'll do atleast as good as VR's cd did, but i don't see it selling 10 million copies like previous GnR cd's have.

i bet they won't even start booking US dates til the cd has atleast gone platinum(sp?).

[oldgunsfan]

All this discussion about popularity, etc. But its really quite simple. Will CD be big? Well, I think its fair to assume at least as big as Velvet Revolver. Add in a successful single, and the GNR name and Bobs your uncle.

But the thing is, will everyone be satisfied with a record as big as velvet Revolver after all this time and money?

I'm thinking the record company. I'm thinking about fans....?

I only care about sales because it'll give old axl some confidence which in turn can give us more music and give the promoters some insurance to run new gun's tours..

No doubt that cd should go double platinum.. I think a album called gnr maybe something said like first new album in 15 years or since 1991 will? be a good way to plug it..... The idea is will the public buy into it or not??? I know it'll sell like crazy outside the usa

After 2002, the GnR name isn't what it once was, simple as that

plus after 15 years, double platinum in the US is about the best they can hope for

[mikegiuliana]

All this discussion about popularity, etc. But its really quite simple. Will CD be big? Well, I think its fair to assume at least as big as Velvet Revolver. Add in a successful single, and the GNR name and Bobs your uncle.

But the thing is, will everyone be satisfied with a record as big as velvet Revolver after all this time and money?

I'm thinking the record company. I'm thinking about fans....?

I only care about sales because it'll give old axl some confidence which in turn can give us more music and give the promoters some insurance to run new gun's tours..

No doubt that cd should go double platinum.. I think a album called gnr maybe something said like first new album in 15 years or since 1991 will? be a good way to plug it..... The idea is will the public buy into it or not??? I know it'll sell like crazy outside the usa

After 2002, the GnR name isn't what it once was, simple as that

plus after 15 years, double platinum in the US is about the best they can hope for

I am only going by the retro vibe with classic rock bands or names... Plus Gh's has done pretty damn good for something that only had a few commercials in the early going of it's release..

being axl is older, it might be harder for him to get across to the younger generation.. When I was a kid I wasn't thinking men in their mid 40's were cool.. Sometimes image is more important that the sound if you are talking about commercial praise...

Secondly every band that was big has their loyal fans that think everything new is great and that they will regain that status they once had in their prime..  I always think of how great aerosmith did the second time around. but they kind of fit into the hairband era when they returned with rundmc then permanet vacation, pump.. Will the kids care about axl ,an older man in jerseys and with dreads? Who knows

[oldgunsfan]

yeah, but Aerosmith had the same band, same image, and same type/sound of music as they did in the 70's

plus, they had good looking guys that all the chicks dug at least Steve and Joe

all's Axl has is the name GnR and his name (unless you consider alot of baggage a good thing)

[mikegiuliana]

yeah, but Aerosmith had the same band, same image, and same type/sound of music as they did in the 70's

plus, they had good looking guys that all the chicks dug at least Steve and Joe

all's Axl has is the name GnR and his name (unless you consider alot of baggage a good thing)

yes I know that about aerosmtih, I was just using them as an example of some type of second time around that was a big hit.... On one hand axl has a different band for his project, on the other he has the name to help sell albums..

[blues rocker]

I think what the album really needs is two real strong, catchy singles. In short, CD needs its SCOM to take off.

I don't think they will have another #1 single. The band is far too out of the time of importance for this music and it won't happen. They could land a top 20 single I would say... but not no SCOM.

Gn'R can't get a #1 single right now. No matter what. It just won't get up there with the pop and rap hip hop be bop wooo wop BS that is out there.

I think GNR could get to no. 1 again, I think a catchy rocker could make no. 1 quite easily. The rock scene here in the UK is certainly looking better than it did a couple of years ago. The big band in the UK at the moment are The Arctic Monkeys, there first 2 singles have gone to no.1 there album has been no.1 for about 5 weeks now as well. I admit they're no GNR but they are a hell of a lot closer to a GNR sound than most of the shit out there today. If rock begins to enter the mainstream again and is accepted and is reaching no.1 in the charts again then I see no reason why a well hyped return from such a legendary band as GNR, with a catchy rock song as a first single could not make no.1 in the charts.? ?

i think it's going to happen....gnr will be at the top again and will usher in a new era of rock....this shit is going to be huge!

i think that this album is going to get more attention, press, radio play, etc. than any album since the illusions.  the anticipation from people in the press, the music industry and radio is so huge that chinese democracy will be everywhere...much like when UYI came out and november rain was THE song of the year...i remember when i was in like 6th grade, the teacher asked everyone to name their favorite song at the time, and EVERY kid said november rain...their popularity was huge...it was a phenomenon that rarely occurs

[ShotgunBlues1978]

I'll be huge.  At least 2-3 million sales in the US and 8 million worldwide.  The GnR name carries a lot of weight, and if Contraband can sell 2 million, CD should sell at least 3

[The Dog]

All this discussion about popularity, etc. But its really quite simple. Will CD be big? Well, I think its fair to assume at least as big as Velvet Revolver. Add in a successful single, and the GNR name and Bobs your uncle.

But the thing is, will everyone be satisfied with a record as big as velvet Revolver after all this time and money?

I'm thinking the record company. I'm thinking about fans....?

I only care about sales because it'll give old axl some confidence which in turn can give us more music and give the promoters some insurance to run new gun's tours..

No doubt that cd should go double platinum.. I think a album called gnr maybe something said like first new album in 15 years or since 1991 will? be a good way to plug it..... The idea is will the public buy into it or not??? I know it'll sell like crazy outside the usa

After 2002, the GnR name isn't what it once was, simple as that

plus after 15 years, double platinum in the US is about the best they can hope for

I am only going by the retro vibe with classic rock bands or names... Plus Gh's has done pretty damn good for something that only had a few commercials in the early going of it's release..

being axl is older, it might be harder for him to get across to the younger generation.. When I was a kid I wasn't thinking men in their mid 40's were cool.. Sometimes image is more important that the sound if you are talking about commercial praise...

Secondly every band that was big has their loyal fans that think everything new is great and that they will regain that status they once had in their prime..? I always think of how great aerosmith did the second time around. but they kind of fit into the hairband era when they returned with rundmc then permanet vacation, pump.. Will the kids care about axl ,an older man in jerseys and with dreads? Who knows

Its funny b/c excess image is what killed the rock scene in the 80s/early 90s and led to grunge...but now image is EVERYTHING in music.  While I could care less about what Axl looks like, your average person is going to think the dreads and jerseys (if hes still gonna do that) is a desperate attempt for a middle aged man to reclaim his youth - regardless of who it is. 

[oldgunsfan]

at one point GnR was the most dangerous band on the planet

watching footage of their 2002 tour it looked like the circus came to town

[The Dog]

^^^Its funny when people say stuff like that...while not as dramatic looking as the 2002 lineup, when AFD GNR came out they were VERY different looking then most bands at the time.  Slash didn't even look human compared to other lead guitarists and NOBODY moved like Axl.  Izzy was a wierd looking dude too.

But yeah, I know a lot of people who took one look at the band and weren't interested in hearing the music based on that (which is a tad closed minded, but somewhat understandable).

While BH is an amazing guitarist, I don't know if I ever bought into his gimmick - I think it took away from his playing and got more people talking about his bucket and hand puppet then how ridiculously amazing he is with the guitar.

[oldgunsfan]

^^^Its funny when people say stuff like that...while not as dramatic looking as the 2002 lineup, when AFD GNR came out they were VERY different looking then most bands at the time.? Slash didn't even look human compared to other lead guitarists and NOBODY moved like Axl.? Izzy was a wierd looking dude too.

But yeah, I know a lot of people who took one look at the band and weren't interested in hearing the music based on that (which is a tad closed minded, but somewhat understandable).

While BH is an amazing guitarist, I don't know if I ever bought into his gimmick - I think it took away from his playing and got more people talking about his bucket and hand puppet then how ridiculously amazing he is with the guitar.

Yeah they were different looking, they didn't where more makeup than the chicks in their videos

as for the new band, it's not just buckethead but seeing him looked like seeing Jason with a guitar, put a mask on his head, and fink looks exactly the same.....

[Megaguns]

ITS GONNA BE BIG!!! i think axl will announce a release date onstage at RIR. Straight away it will go off for pressing etc.   

[Schwarzgold]

i think axl will announce a release date onstage at RIR.

Sounds familiar. 

[elmir]

i think axl will announce a release date onstage at RIR.

Sounds familiar. 

2002?

[Megaguns]

cmon.... in 2002 we didnt have leaked songs..... we are closer than ever.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

^ so it seems...hope you are right. I never assume with GNR

[McDuff]

We don't even know for sure what songs will be on the album,so how do we know that it will be huge?I hope it is,but that doesn't mean that it will be.

[Gordi]

I have a good feeling about this album, I am and always have been very excited at the prospect of having it. I think Axl does kinda have another chance at mainstream success, just looking at the careers of people like Johnny Cash, Bob Dylan, Morrissey and Prince, I really think that a style of music/a once-popular artist can come back into the limelight, with a level of respect that only experience/age can acquire.

Here's hoping anyway.

[Schwarzgold]

cmon.... in 2002 we didnt have leaked songs..... we are closer than ever.

But for all we know, the leaks we have NOW easily can be created in or before 2002 - or even older (CITR). So that prooves nothin'.

It only prooves that security failed in 2006 and didnt fail in 2002. It doenst proove any progress musicwise.

[misterID]

at one point GnR was the most dangerous band on the planet

watching footage of their 2002 tour it looked like the circus came to town

People seem to forget that GNR was a joke right after and during the UYI period. Not everyone bought "the most dangerous band in the world" thing that some people love talking about. Even on the earliest AFD reviews people who liked the music didn't like the image. Am I the only one who remembers how everyone called them scumbags? Not to mention how bloated they got. People sometimes have selective memories.

When I would go to my friend's record store and mention GNR people would laugh. Yes, they are snobs, but they have great taste in music  But when they heard Tommy and Buckethead were in the band they actually got excited. This circus could actually end up getting more respect than the old line up.

[Butch Français]

cos it's a GNR album.