The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread

[Hammy]

Props: BJSM.BMJ.com

Quoteworthy:

?During the 635 professional MMA matches, 300 of the 1,270 athletes sustained documented injuries with an injury rate of 23.6 per 100 fight participations. Most common reported injuries were lacerations and upper extremity injuries. Severe concussion rate was 15.4 per 1,000 athlete exposures, or 3% of all matches. No deaths or critical sports-related injuries resulted from any of the regulated matches during the study period. Age, weight, and fight experience did not statistically increase the likelihood of injuries after controlling for other covariates.?

The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine Department of Emergency Medicine recently published a report of a five year study of injuries sustained during sanctioned mixed martial arts competition that took place in Nevada. The conclusion: the overall risk of critical sports-related injury appears low. Take that, haters.

Took that from mmamania.com  Good to see, no doubt the sport is dangerous, but so are many sports, those who think it's barbaric cock fighting need to get a clue....

[C0ma]

I just have to say that the EliteXC show on CBS this past weekend might be the worst possible thing that could have happened to MMA. The fact that many people got their introduction to the sport with that piece of shit could set the sport back years. Between total BS stopages and the fact that half of these people had no business being in a pro cage I hope it is never aired again.

I was embarassed for people wi have tried to push the sport into the mainstream and got shit on because they forced a sub standard product into Prime Time.

Few things about the show: Kimbo has no business in anything but a backyard brawl or a toughman show. He was force fed a known "Glass Jaw" and couldn't knock him out. If not for the BS Stopage he would have lost at least 2 of 3 rounds on all cards.

The NJAC ruined what could have been the only good fight of the night by not giving a fighter his 5 minutes to recover after a eye poke.

That made the fight of the night Gina's fight, which was also stopped early. They are now stoped due to a mouse under the eye???

The presentation of the fight was horrible, you are trying to come off as a mainstream "SPORT" (which they should), but present it like a cross between WWE and the XFL. The sport deserves more respect than that.

Polar Opposite of the Abortion that EliteXC ran on Saturday was the unbelieveable WEC card from Sunday... the last two fights were some of the best fights of the year. Jens v. Uriah was a 5 round war that showed what a true champ Faber is.

[Thorned Rose]

Yeah I caught this on tv, really loved the Robbie fight but it got stopped.

Kimbo is overrated.

Will it be back on?

[C0ma]

Not sure about it being back on. I hope not. Although it got huge ratings, which means alot of people watched that debacle.

To me, Elite has a sub standard product... A shady boxing promoter got in with a major boxing media outlet (Showtime) and were then able to make a deal (based on Showtime) for a major network contract. They then try and build off of a foundation that the UFC created to make the shady boxing promoter money... Tarnishing the Sport (just like boxing) in the process.

EliteXC doesn't have a single fighter outside of maybe Nick Diaz, who would fall into the top 5 of their weight class in the UFC. It's a shame that they chased the money into Prime Time Network television while promoting a sub standard product. The reason why the UFC doesn;t have a similar deal with a network is because the network wanted creative control of the show... Dana and the Fertitas didn't want that... Gary Shaw (EliteXC) gave CBS that control and look at the horrible presentation. Maybe if they spent less time hiring stripers, buying fireworks, and figuring out how to sell the entrance music (all of which was stolen from the WWE) they could have focused on putting together a card that would have deeper engrained the sport into the mainstream.

Also they went ahead and made the decision that they wanted to make the prime time face of MMA someone who is more suited to be seen on bumfights.com than at a professional sporting event... This isn't the "Sports Entertainment" that they seem to want to fasion themselves after... It is a legit sport that needs to be treated and presented like it.

[Hammy]

Having download a torrent of it I did not have to endure what I have heard to be big commercial breaks and an opening 70 minutes with 2 minutes or so of fighting.

The first two firsts were ok for what they were, two quick, predictable tko wins, stoppages were fair, slightly quick but the guys were done. I'd liked the Women's match and considered the damage to the eye the stoppage seemed fair.

Lawler vs Smith I though was a superb fight, I really really enjoyed it, considering Smith's protests and his eye looking fine though the stoppage seemed dumb. A stoppage for a poke to the eye is ok if your eye is messed up like Couture's was against Belfort.

The Main Event was very entertaining, but considering the supposed cautious side they were playing on, not stopping it in the second round seemed plain crazy. Kimbo was being pounded on and could not intelligently defend. As for the stoppage of Thompson, considering Thompson bitch slapped the ref a second after he stopped it for doing so he was good to go, he wasn't far off finished but last time he was like that he took down Kimbo and he was going forward when it was stopped. Up til then I enjoyed it though I want a rematch of this and the Lawler bought. Although for anyone who has seen the post fight press conference, Kimbo vs Rogers SHOULD be on the cards, Rogers basically called Kimbo out and they had to break things up since he went on about how Kimbo had tapped RD2 and the result was garbage. Feuds sell this stuff and that was the perfect set up, Playing excerpts of that press conference are a great way to hype things up. Kimbo escaping on the Ground wasn't impressive btw, Thompson was just lacking, althougn he has improved, if you want to see someone with good ground skills, watch the prelim with Wilson Reis

Basically my review I posted on another site, thought I'd do a cheeky copy and paste job, beats writing essentially the same thing again.

Incidently I since listened to an audio interview with the referee.  One interesting points he brings up about the Smith stoppage is he repeatedly said "I can't see, he's going to knock me out."  He pretty much implied that Smith worded it differently in the post fight interview and simply made the point, Smith had a broken foot, what's better for him, to lose because of that or to get a no contest and the chance of a rematch?

As for the Thompson stoppage, he stands by it saying that Thompson's eyes rolled back and he was out on his feet, and while I agree that's how it looked, it looked the same 1st round but he did not stop it then and the dude survived and took Kimbo down, it's the lack of consistency that is annoying.

He also said Rogers is far too good for Kimbo right now and he would crush him but Kimbo is a rookie and needs to build up experience first and he see's potential in him, you can listen to it at mmamania.com well worth a listen.

And seriously, watch the Wilson Reis prelim, the dude is great!  Also watch the Nick Serra prelim for the sheer hilariousness of it, he just kept going to ground, refusing to stand, having points deducted and when threatened with a disqualification he still stayed seated and the ref just stopped it, the dude looked sooo bad.

[C0ma]

Do you feel that show was "MMA" putting it's best foot forward?

I just feel like the first Prime Time MMA show should have been the best available product, and Elite isn't it. Tou said it yourself, Kimbo is essentially a rookie, but they choose to make him the headliner of what could have been the most important card in the sports history.

Had the nights been reversed and the WEC card was the Prime Time option, I think the sport would have came off stronger.

I do agree that some of the fights were exciting, but the were just some question marks. Like the Gina fight for example... the doctor cleared her to continue into the 3rd round (sure she wouldn't have made it out of that round) but the doctor cleared then the commision steped in and ended it. I personally feel like a deal may have been struck with the commision to make sure that the show didn't look too 'brutal' to the prime time audience. And what is more brutal than a woman with a battered face and a closed eye.

Another thing, who let Thompson into the ring with his ear in that state... high school wreslers know how to handle and ear in that fluid stage... drain it. It was almost like they were trying to give Kimbo a target.

[Mr Cowbell ?]

Well I turned in after the Hockey game and only seen the last two matches and the Second to Last fight was good, I agree and dont understand why they wouldnt give the guy his 5 minutes, ALthought 5 mins later in the interview he seemed blurry is in his and looked like he had a lazy eye.


WHAT AN EAR. God when I first seen it I thought the guy should of cut it off. Secondly is Kimbo so stupid it took 12 minutes of fighting to see that huge thing and target it?  Well I got to admit I was a fan interested in seeing Kimbo, I dont think it was fixed persay, but The Ref knows the Elite brand needs a novelty and  they have that and a internet fan base already.   They NEED Kimbo to do well for HIM TO HAVE A JOB and they needed the fight to last beyond the first round so I think although he looked out in the second and kimbo should of been TKO'ed in the 2nd, the ref seen his chance in the 3rd to call the fight and let kimbo "survive" I hope its on CBS again, but I hope they learn from their fans and fix things. 

I think if UFC would of came to an agreement with FOX and had creative control and threw out a free fight with their big heavyweight rookie in Lesnar it would of been huge for MMA, THis was a baby step for MMA.

[D]

EliteXC is a fucking embarrassment to MMA. I am so pissed off with this TUFFman looking bullshit.

Complete blackeye for he greatest sport going today.

Did anyone catch WEC 34 Sunday night? it was better than UFC84. Miguel torres vs Yosheda was the fight of the year so far and Urijah Faber vs Jens pulver was a war.

If u havent seen WEC 34, Torrent it immediately.


EliteXc should go away. its horrible.

Gina carano was a great fight and Lawler/Smith was excellent.

I just feel the way they push Kimbo is retarded and horrible for the sport because he is the worst fighter I've ever seen.

He LOST to a guy wh Paul Rogers knocked out in 30 seconds. Yes KIMBO lost that fight. the stoppabe was bullshit and Kimbo was behind on the cards.

Do u know that one judge gave kimbo round 2? that shows reaks of fix.

[Mr Cowbell ?]

EliteXC is a fucking embarrassment to MMA. I am so pissed off with this TUFFman looking bullshit.

Complete blackeye for he greatest sport going today.

Did anyone catch WEC 34 Sunday night? it was better than UFC84. Miguel torres vs Yosheda was the fight of the year so far and Urijah Faber vs Jens pulver was a war.

If u havent seen WEC 34, Torrent it immediately.


EliteXc should go away. its horrible.

Gina carano was a great fight and Lawler/Smith was excellent.

I just feel the way they push Kimbo is retarded and horrible for the sport because he is the worst fighter I've ever seen.

He LOST to a guy wh Paul Rogers knocked out in 30 seconds. Yes KIMBO lost that fight. the stoppabe was bullshit and Kimbo was behind on the cards.

Do u know that one judge gave kimbo round 2? that shows reaks of fix.

LEts just hope they hand feed Kimbo a few more people and his ass catches on... The UFC decides to offer him ALOT and I mean ALOT of money , something EliteX cant match and then throw his ass against a UFC Star and rip his ass all the way back to the miami streets he fights from. ANyone else notice on the introduction it listed his MMA FIghting style as "Brawl" I didnt know beating up bums and street folks was such a discipline battle.  As much as the show was bad to give a bad impression to new fans, I don't care who you are, you had to enjoy the 4X normal size ear busting open.

[C0ma]

EliteXC is a fucking embarrassment to MMA. I am so pissed off with this TUFFman looking bullshit.

Complete blackeye for he greatest sport going today.

Did anyone catch WEC 34 Sunday night? it was better than UFC84. Miguel torres vs Yosheda was the fight of the year so far and Urijah Faber vs Jens pulver was a war.

If u havent seen WEC 34, Torrent it immediately.


EliteXc should go away. its horrible.

Gina carano was a great fight and Lawler/Smith was excellent.

I just feel the way they push Kimbo is retarded and horrible for the sport because he is the worst fighter I've ever seen.

He LOST to a guy wh Paul Rogers knocked out in 30 seconds. Yes KIMBO lost that fight. the stoppabe was bullshit and Kimbo was behind on the cards.

Do u know that one judge gave kimbo round 2? that shows reaks of fix.

The Torres fight was amazing... the double ankle lock was one of the best things I've seen in a while. The Cerrone (Cowboy) fight was also great. In a 30 second fight he applied 3 submission attempts before sticking an arm bar. Really to me the only weak fight of the night was the McCullough fight (Varner really got in his head with that last knock out).

I really wish for the sport that people could have seen that WEC card on Prime Time.

Things like the judges score cards don't surprise me when someone like Gary Shaw is running the show. He is as shaddy as they come.

[Hammy]

?We want to fight the best and right now everything; judging by the money, the publicity and the billboards; that is Kimbo. Has Kimbo earned that spot? We are not convinced. So we are calling Kimbo out. If this is a challenge he does not feel ready to accept; that is cool. That we can understand. But it is somewhat unreasonable to ask everyone to play second fiddle ? to fight tougher opponents for less money while another fighter makes bank on the also rans. Brett has fought three very tough heavy weights with legitimate skills. The result in every one of those fights was a first round KO. No decisions, no controversy just straight up cart them off wins. Yet every interview and every place he goes he hears Kimbo this, Kimbo that. Hell, if we were not asking to fight Kimbo, Gary would be ashamed of us and would be wondering what type of wimps he had fighting for him. If Kimbo is the badest man on the planet; then lets do this thing. All due respect ? step up or step aside.?

Rogers and his camp talking sense.

Hopefully this fight will happen and he can beat the hype that is Kimbo.

[Thorned Rose]

So is the show going to come back on? I didn't mind it, it was a little sloppy.

It was interesting as I'm new to this stuff.

Kimbo was built like a tank... maybe he will learn how to fight soon?

[Hammy]

So is the show going to come back on? I didn't mind it, it was a little sloppy.

It was interesting as I'm new to this stuff.

Kimbo was built like a tank... maybe he will learn how to fight soon?

It'll be back, the ratings were good.

Even if they weren't it would be back, just not on the same channel, this company has been going for a few years.

Learning MMA is not something you can do overnight.  I'm sure he will improve but at 34 he's got into it late.  A lot of the fighters have been doing varying martial arts since they were five or six years old, there is no substitute for experience, he'll be entertaining in his modern era Tank Abbott brawling style but he'll only get so far before someone exposes him, if he fights Rogers then that day is soon.  I'm sure they want him to fight someone like Cabbage next.

[D]

Kimbo couldnt even knock out a tomato can in thompson

Elite XC is a joke,a circus atmosphere and I feel bad for the real fighters they have in that org.


UFC,WEC and Dream are where its at.

Im very excited for the Affliction card also.

I just wonder how they will sustain their events. The first one will be great, but I just dont know where they go from there as they have a limited roster at the moment.

[Hammy]

Affliction's forever growing roster is amazing.

Fedor & Aleksander Emelianenko
Tim Sylvia
Matt Lindland
Babalu
Josh Barnett
Pedro Rizzo
Ben Rothwell
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
Vernon White
Paul Buentello
Vitor Belfort.

Rumoured:

Tito Ortiz
Andrei Arlovski.

Millionaire real estate developer, casino boss and reality television star, Donald Trump, is set to announce his foray into mixed martial arts this Thursday, June 5, at a press conference at Trump Tower in New York, N.Y., at 12 p.m. ET.

According to a press release issued today, ?The Donald? will partner with the start up Affliction MMA promotion, which is set to pull the trigger on its debut show at the at the Honda Center in Anaheim, Calif., on July 19.

I'm just loving the guys they have Barnett is like my 2nd fave fighter, UBER happy, and Dream is class to!!!

[D]

Affliction is gonna fail big time.

They are paying 3 million to Fedor and Sylvia......... they have to sell 75,000 PPV's just to break even and I seriously doubt this thing will sell.

Fedor is not a draw and sylvia isnt either.

The other fighters on the card on people no one outside of hardcore fans care about. there has been little promotion and people arent gonna lay down that much cash for a product they havent heard of.

[Hammy]

Affliction is gonna fail big time.

They are paying 3 million to Fedor and Sylvia......... they have to sell 75,000 PPV's just to break even and I seriously doubt this thing will sell.

Fedor is not a draw and sylvia isnt either.

The other fighters on the card on people no one outside of hardcore fans care about. there has been little promotion and people arent gonna lay down that much cash for a product they havent heard of.

Probably true, still doesn't change the fact that as a hardcore fan it's going to be a great event to watch.

Seems UFC wants to take them out before they get started.  Rumour is the same night they are going to have a live event on Spike, the rumoured headlining fight being....

Brandon Vera vs Wanderlai Silva!

[Hammy]

mmamania.com

Props: Affliction MMA

Quoteworthy:

?? heavy metal band Megadeth, led by frontman, guitarist, and songwriter Dave Mustaine, will be performing live at the event. The platinum selling band, Megadeth has sold more than 20 million albums worldwide and will electrify the audience with a special highlight performance. Known for their distinctive, in-your-face guitar solos, snarling vocal style and dark lyrical themes, Megadeth is sure to resonate with the ?Affliction Banned? fan base and intensify the already action-packed event.?

Sweet, a Great band added to proceedings.

[Hammy]

Cage Rage 27 was fairly entertaining tonight.  First two fights went to points but there was no doubt about the winners, total domination just failure to finish, entertaining fair though.  The match for the Vacant Heavyweight Title was odd, Al Turk is a solid fighter no doubt, and he deserved his spot, but his opponent was a non-entity and he destroyed him easily, he should of been fighting someone MUCH better like one of the guys in the next fight.  Robert Buzz Berry fresh off destroying Ken Shamrock got picked apart in spectacular fashion.  Neil Grove, one of the many men who has destroyed James Thompson picked him apart with brutal leg kicks and hit him with some real heavy hands knocking him right out, good stuff to watch.  The Main Event was all about Phil Baroni debuting at Welterweight and attempting to get back on the winning track.  He was fed a youngster with some alright wins, Baroni dominated from the start surprising the guy by going straight to ground, he controlled him and nearly got him with a kimura, the guy was wincing but gutted it out, once it got to the feet thought, a shot to the mid section followed by one right on the chin and he was out, very good to watch.  I know his opponent wasn't much but I like Baroni for all the bullshit and bravado the guy seems like a real nice, emotional dude who wears his heart on his sleeve.  Also of note, after the fight, he came over to check on his opponent cos the guy was still out, and some dick, probably a friend of the guy who lost, ran over and headbutted Baroni then legged it, impressively Baroni remained pretty calm, he just seemed so happy at getting back on the winning track.

Overall, one of the better Cage Rage events.

[D]

HAHA yeah I saw that dipshit headbutt Baroni

Im afraid MMA is eventually gonna turn into a circus like boxing. T his dude she be barred for life from ever getting into the octagon unless he is the one fighting.