Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Perhaps is the next single being released this coming Friday August 11th. Blabbermouth.net is the source

They have nothing else in the vault, so it makes sense.  :(

Whats the story behind this song? Is it old, new? Have demos leaked in the past?

The demo came out as part of the locker leaks. It's a CD era track. Presumably Slash and Duff have worked on it more recently.

The label appears to have scrubbed as much of the leaked version off Youtube as they could find in the past few days. UMG has a pre-save page posted for Apple Music and Spotify.

Atlas Shrugged, State of Grace, and The General all have vocals. There's a pretty good chance Elvis Presley and the Monster of Soul (Soul Monster) does as well, because I believe Axl referred to it as one of the hardest things he's ever sung. There's probably a whole bunch of tracks that have vocals that we don't know about, considering there was supposedly a finished second album after CD that went by the wayside after the reunion.

If I had to guess, they're going to put the stuff out that leaked because it's already out there, so you might as well.

Why are you saying that nonsense?

I'm not afraid to say ''Perhaps'' is one of the best GnR songs ever. I cant wait to hear the definitive version.

You are nonsense.  :-*

It's not far fetched to say that of all that was leaked Perhaps is one of two solid songs in the vault with state of grace being the other. Im not really impressed by the rest.
They are emptying the vault. That's clear. If they released silkworms as well, it points to the fact there's not much else out there.
If state of grace is also released, they will have to write something new in order to have something solid.

I'll take any new music doesn't matter if it's in the vault or not.

I'm happy for any new music but if you ask me Perhaps is just a more wordy and less catchy version of Catcher In The Rye. Can't understand why they would think it's worth releasing at all.

Hey new music - makes me pumped. And catcher in a great song! Can’t wait till Hershey and MetLife

Neither wordier, nor less catchy than CITR.

Looking forward to hearing how Duff and Slash elevate it.

Ali

Agree

i will believe it when it on there youtube page

"I will believe it when it's on their YouTube page." FIFY

Perhaps is an amazing song. Can’t wait to hear the definitive version of it.

Yeah its a great song. Looking forward next friday
I still hope they will record and release songs written by this line-up, not just CD era songs reworked by Slash and Duff. That would get me REAAAALLY EXCITED

Anyway I'll enjoy Perhaps 🤘🤘🤘

hey grammer police stop it

the demo of Perhaps was good but did not felt like old school gnr samething with the demo version of hard school and Absurd but once slash and duff got there hands on it it felt like old school gnr

Please….what if it is worse when Slash and Duff change it? The guys who wrote the parts for those songs were damn good too.

Or they're releasing the stuff that leaked because it's the most logical thing to do. Silkworms was around for years, Hard Skool was out in some form (checkmate) or other for years, Perhaps came out with the locker leaks.

We have no idea what else is out there. Slash said 4 to 6 songs are coming, so that's more than Perhaps and State of Grace. They sound checked something that sounded like Oklahoma earlier this year, I mentioned Soul Monster already, we know The General has vocals, and stuff like Quick Song, Devious Bastard, etc, could easily have been finished off over the years. You think Axl recorded vocals for a song on Looney Tunes and nothing else in a decade? We have zero clue what is actually in the vault.

Nobody knew Scraped existed until it turned up on CD. This band has always done a decent job of playing things close to the chest.

He made 1 album in 30 years. He's releasing old songs with old vocals. It's a legitimate thought. It's not that u are talking about a a workhaolic... This said, i don't think he did anything at all, but if you think they have done more than 2-3 (really) new songs (with the classic "unfinished vocals" and the "finishing touches" need ) you're wrong. They make new music with their own projects, with gnr they are milkin the cow and try to clear the shelves, it's pretty clear at this point.

GN'R Release week!

Cant wait!

if it happen still no press release from the gnr camp

Was there any press release before Absurd and Hard Skool? I don't think so.

Show week too! Well for me. Pumped for Hershey Park and hopefully PERHAPS! Any gunners gonna be there?

there was a press release

I'm not sure for Hard Skool, but I remember that for Absurd, they played it live one night, and Axl announced that it would be released at midnight the same night, without any prior notice.

Absurd got announced (onstage) 2h before the release.
Hard Skool didnt get announced in advance at all.

Maybe this Friday's show they will debut Perhaps...

Just about anything is a "legitimate thought." But it still seems entirely unlikely that a guy who has access to recording studios around the globe limited his output over more than a decade to a track for a cartoon.

Not saying we're getting an album tomorrow, but it amuses me how confident some people are while overlooking everything that people in the know have actually said over the years.

Slash and Duff said' nothin at all. The man in charge hasn't said anything for years. We know there are CD (2008) leftovers that they have been realising in the last 2 years. Overlooking at what exactly, if almost nothing has been said? I mean, really, all you can look at is the history of this band, its catalog. It's not that I'm "confident", I'm using logic. And using this logic I said a couple of times that IF we'll have an album it will be CD 2 with hopefully 2 new songs. If it's goin to be an entire album full of new songs i'll be the first to enjoy it, but I'm not not holding my breath, cause i know the 1st option is the more realistic.
U talked about looney tunes... Well..It's more realistic to think that the looney tune thing was a deal (maybe a "friendly" one) axl made with warner to use the looney tunes theme at the beginning of every single show. So it was "forced" at a certain point to do that thing. Another realistic thing is that they already reharsed perhaps and it sounded almost the same (apart from slash's solo obviously),it's gonna be the less reworked song of the 3. So don't expect too much from that too.

What? Lol. A deal to play the Looney Tunes theme? You say you're using logic then made something up out of thin air. Look into ASCAP/BMI/SOCAN public performance licensing (or the equivalent body where ever you live). Also, Guns were using the Looney Tunes theme before Axl appeared on the show. That's how the showrunners got the idea to get him on the show. Link here: https://ultimateclassicrock.com/axl-rose-new-looney-tunes-song-story/

I keep saying you have no idea what's in the vault. You initially said there were two solid songs with vocals, which is why I said you were overlooking what people in the know had already said, like Slash saying 4 to 6 songs were coming, plus the tour manager dude's comments recently. And the fact that an entire album was ready to go at one point.  Since you haven't heard said album, there's no way to know how many songs are solid or not, but again let's go with your original statement: two solid songs with vocals, and if State of Grace was released they would have to write something new. Now you're saying "IF we'll have an album it will be CD 2 with hopefully 2 new songs." Okay. That's great, you've changed your tune.

I'm not interested in moving goalposts however. Be consistent. I'm out. Peace.

As the Great Daniel Bryan/Bryan Danielson once said we as fans are FICKLE lol. People complain theres no new music in fill in the blank years, then we get NEW music and it is regardless if you chose to listen to the leaks and we complain its vocals from fill in the blank years ago. Why can't we just be happy this band is consistently been touring since 2016 and still putting out music.  :peace:

Life of a GN’R fan in the forums lol. FRIDAY CANNOT COME SOON ENOUGH!!!!

I never, ever, changed my tune. I've been saying the CD 2 thing for 5 years at least...I never said there were two solid songs with vocals, what you on,? You misread...Plus, slash, sorry, doesn't count cause he's always been vague. The "tour manager" you're talking about is not the tour manager, is  the stage tech... The only 1 that matters doesn't say anything, so we can say whatever we want. I've my ideas based on well known facts and history. Not words. Am i Wrong? Ok good, i gonna sleep well tonight in any case :peace:

I was the one saying there's only 2 solid songs with vocals in the vault... From the leaks....

Same here.

And it does at least beg the question...have these guys not written one new piece of material in 7 fuckin' years?

It's worrying of they haven't. As a supposedly functioning 'band' that doesn't wish to classed as a nostalgic act. You can't exactly say they didn't get time or were too busy to create a song or two together. The world stood still for a year, possibly 2.

I'm hoping they have of course.

Someone posted on another board that this has been pushed back a week to the 18th. No clue if that's legit or not.

There is a FAR stronger argument for this point than its opposite.

So many tend to retreat towards, "so, I guess you know everything then, smartguy?" as some sort of weird defense mechanism.

No, we don't know everything.  Yet somehow us commenting on what we are given is out of bounds, but speculative comments based on nothing but hope is the height of nobility.

We are a weird bunch.

Yeah, agree with all of this.  Little to go on here that suggests this anything more than a touring operation.

Do I want to hear 'Perhaps'?  Sure do.  I'll take anything.  And I did like the 20 plus year old demo.

But in 3 years, they have released 3 songs.  All old demos from 20-25 years ago.

I'm being asked to believe that this current line-up has created stuff on their own...but they'd rather rework demos from Axl's failed experiment of a line-up and put that out as a representation to who they are as a band in 2023.

Doesn't really add up.

https://radiorock.it/guns-n-roses-posticipata-al-18-agosto-luscita-del-nuovo-singolo-perhaps/

Source on Perhaps being pushed back a week. Citing "internal sources" but adds the release is not in doubt. No word on what the delay is about (if it's accurate).

Final touches  :rofl: :rofl:

:hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

I think Slash has been pretty clear that they are clearing out this old material before embarking on new stuff.

Are you fucking kidding me?  This band can not catch a break.

I think it would be even a correct approach if it wouldn't take a lifetime to add some guitar and bass parts (vocals are done already) which is the faster work. Looks like they are just buying time, not sure about the reason: after all the time they wasted they don't need anything to keep the attention of the majority of people, cause people listen to the classics and go to the shows mainly if not only for that reason. Hard fans don't need that cause they already have the leaks and they gonna stick with the band forever don't matter what, like this forum shows, either if they complain all the time or enjoy everything :hihi:. So, i really dont understand how they think about things. It looks like more of a "we don't tour only" thing but I don't think it works cause at the end of the day like i said only few people care about that. If they don't have already something huge to release, i don't see any reason...whatever..

Hopefully the delay means Boston is getting another new song debut!

Perhaps i was wrong...

You should have known better :hihi:

So do we think Perhaps we might get a debut tonight?

Most likely next week.

I hope the release is soon because if its going to coincide with also playing it live it would suck for the ones going to shows now and missing out on it only for lets say half way thru this tour then they start playing it live.

This makes no sense marketing-wise. Usually bands release a single before the tour to sell tickets, not halfway through it. Look at Metallica, Queens of the Stone Age, etc.

They may be trying to boost ticket sales for a specific leg of the tour, or certain shows. Or it may not be about that at all, and they just want to get some of the songs they have in the back catalog out.

Metallica released a full album. There's no indication Guns is doing that as of yet. I wouldn't suspect anything more this year - just Perhaps, and maybe The General after that based on the signs we've seen. It's not apples to apples.

Has anything ever made sense with this band?? Worse timings than a Casio. There's times they could and should have jumped onto things after a massive public interest buzz... VMAs 2002, 2006 tour when Axl sounded the best ever, 2008 CD release, the 2 new singles...but no nothing. It's becoming or already is lazy.  Of course they absolutely 100% should have released a song or two before this tour started in June. Everyone knows it. It was the right thing to do for the loyal fans that keep buying tickets to see the same show.  But no, nothing. Why would they.

From what I just read, blabbermouth.net being the source again. Perhaps has been leaked via touch tunes and has been playing across the US. Has anyone else seen this yet or maybe heard it?

Yeah it’s all over mygnr forum. Hoping it’s still on TouchTunes later to hear it. Too tired last night and flying today!

Maybe I’ll get to hear it live Tuesday….

Very GNR of them to release it on jukeboxes first  ;D
I kinda like it how all their releases have some drama around it.

I have to agree with the person over at MyGNR who said they are tired of this game for various reasons and they are just going to wait for the official release.  I did though find the comment that management "was going to spend the day playing whack a mole".   :hihi:  Some of this game is still fun.

Now I have an excuse to go to the Bar on a Sunday  :beer:

I gave it a listen. Redone  vocals (except for the high parts) and new (and better) solo. Basically that's it. The song it's exactly the same (for what i can remember, i never listened to it many times, i find it boring to death), 3:30 circa. If after 2 years this is the work they put into 1 song only  I think there's a real problem...

Where did you get that it took two years to work on this song alone?

Ali

I said "if"

To be honest i really hope it took them 10 minutes. But it took 2 years to release it still, like it's a holy grail...cmon now..

Believe me, this song will "upset" many, more than absurd or hard skool. It's like underlining, true or not, that they are basically doing nothing new : ok:

The only people it will upset are people looking to be upset and complain. The people who are just hoping for an official release of a melodic song will be fine.

Ali

Finally got to a bar and gave it a listen. Not bad def need to play it again. The vault has to be so deep and there are prob a lot gems. Too bad we’ll all prob have to wait until they are gone for them to release. Anyways, Sunday funday!

So the vocals definitely improved from what I hear. Wonder where this leaves the "Axl hasn't recorded any new vocals" crowd now. Probably bitching about something else.

I'm not in love with the new solo but probably just used to the old one.  I do like the added guitar part at the beginning.

Hopefully this drops Friday all official like and then The General in September. Atlas / SOG the next combo after that? If they're doing things in twos.

Your jukebox comment literally made me laugh out loud. And of course they did release a song on a pinball machine once - and a video game! Or whatever guitar hero is.

 Ive heard the song, its pretty good. The rollout  of it is another story. Don't underestimate the ability of GNR management to screw that up  ;D

But at least we have a new song coming ( or already here sort of ) .

So...this is what I've heard.  Came here to share. From a radio friend of mine who runs a pretty big online rock "station" now, but who was the station manager of one of the biggest rock stations in the country for a very long time.  Name withheld for obvious reasons.

I dug the track from the first demo taht we all around here have to pretend we never listened to.

But my first thought from the first listen?  This will be a hard one to do live.  We shall see. 

Good tune though, I think.

In the rehearsals, they had the high octave vocals in the chorus as a sample.

It's a shame in some regard.

When I read it, I thought it was all quite bizarre, and obviously it sounded like someone had made an error. But, it's actually quite a cool idea. It's making people go out and listen to the song, and when they play it, others hear it too. It's a quirky way of promoting the song.

Since Covid, alot of pubs have closed in the UK and it'd be one way of promoting an ailing sector whilst promoting the song.

I'd have gone the lemons into lemonade approach and left it, then added it to all other jukeboxes, and just make some publicity that way. It's different and social

Sorry for the dumb question guys, I'm a bit lost. Is the song available already and where I can find/hear it? Thanks.

Its not out yet for most of the world.
If you happen to be in the states, you can listen to it in a bar on a jukebox  :beer:

it's listed on touchtunes in the UK as well, but i've not got anywhere that runs those jukeboxes that close to me

it been removed

Got it, thanks. Far away from the US so I guess I'll be still waiting than.

I find it odd that there's been no acknowledgement, even tongue in cheek, by the band or management. They just pretend it didn't happen??? Just adds fuel to the notion that this operation is run like the Keystone Cops.

Yep. Many things never happened in the official GNR world.

Is there any confirmation about Perhaps release date this friday?

Nope

Yeah, no sure anyone here can credibly claim surprise.

Which I'd also extend to it not being there this Friday either.

But they can keep on playing it at soundcheck forever and ever   :hihi:

Sirius XM Radio DJ said Perhaps would be released to radio tonight 10 PM Est.  :o
A friend from New Jersey said he heard it himself.

I already heard the song. Sounds great, the best one of the three IMO
But listening to these three songs just make me wonder if Slash and Duff are really satisfied or they are doing this to get Axl happy. IMO they should focus on write fresh new songs written by this line-up. It would be more exciting for them and the fans. They could also rework these CD era songs and release them from time to time because there is good stuff there of course but this is definitely not as exciting as it should and could be.

One last note. Sorry to say about Frank, he seems a nice dude, but the weak element of this line-up and CD era songs are Drums. Appetite or Illusions drums are so big than in comparison these songs, CD included, sound weak

 : ok: Q104.3 has confirmed that it's being played at midnight.

Hopefully the digital single comes out in the next few days. 🙏🏽

Ali

Listened to it on 104.3 and loved it.

I'm stunned.  The thought the vocals were a garbled mess and too much guitar competing with them in parts.  There was one solo in there where I thought the song was going to go in an interesting direction but it went back.  Don't think it's going to fit with the high energy of the show.  I'll give it another listen.  Not my kind of music, people over at MyGNR seem to like it.

well there’s nothing to be happy about or satisfied . Slash said that they want, as a start, to help axl throwing these songs off  his chest. The problem is that the ‘start’ thas been lasting for 7 years. 7 years are a lifetime u can get married, having children divorce, change a couple of jobs, write a book…. I mean, altogether. They’ve released 3 songs already finished 20 years ago.  And they even fail to release the last 1 . Yep I think slash is very happy  :peace:…. When he watches his bank account, ofc ;D

Looks like it's a radio exclusive, which might have been the reason for the delay (I'm just speculating). And maybe pulled forward from this Friday because of the Jukebox leak.

in any case:

https://www.audacy.com/national/music/world-premiere-guns-n-roses-perhaps

iHeartRadio carrying it as well on their stations.

Man id love to hear this!!!! Any new release is a good thing!! At least everyone seems happy in the band and hopefully we will get a full new song Album eventually.

that new solo really sucks

Hmm.

While I liked the demo from way back when, I did think the chorus was pretty jumbled.  Couldn't really make out what he was saying.

I sort of expected that to be cleaned up a bit here.  Instead, it went the other way with it.  Now you REALLY can't understand a thing he's saying.

I know the lyrics from playing that demo for a few years now.  If you hear this version, now, first time?  You got *no shot* at deciphering those lyrics.

Agreed, tho I actually like the song alot. Wasn't sure at first but it's stuck in my head so that's a good positive thing. However, Think it's slightly 'messy' sound, production, mix wise... I dunno, Lots going on layers wise, Kinda jumbles the words. Couldn't tell you a word in the chorus.  Solo...meh. Damn shame. Could have been really really really good.

yup the song is good, I like the sound of it, how Axl is singing, piano is cool, rhythm section is
great, IMO it's the guitars that are the weak point, and the solo is just not at the level of Robin's,
and not at the level of what Slash can do

from the official gnr youtube page need a vpn to listen to it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NWGVTQNyoM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NWGVTQNyoM)

What's a "vbn"?

Already removed.

no it not use a vpn nz

vPn

virtual private network, which hides your IP address

So it's really coming out at midnight, great!

I prefer the demo...  :-\

Meh, I don't really care for this one.   I enjoyed Hard Skool & Absurd more.... but great to see them release something - hopefully it works for others!

i like it and it way better then the demo

A follow up to my earlier post:

(I know, I'm late to the party...busy work days):

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zYMgS6UA-dY

This cat is way harder on it than I am.  As I've said, I like the song itself.

But his other points...you are just living in fantasyland if you don't think that sentiment is out there.

Would I have put 'Perhaps' on CD over a few tracks that made the cut?  Yeah.  I would.  Would it be in the top 5-7 tunes from that album if I did?  Probably not.

Called up and requested it on my local rock station 95.9 WRAT here at the Jersey Shore.  It was my first listen of the song, I like it a lot!  Looking forward to getting it on iTunes at midnight.

Info from Youtube, I guess its source is Universal:

Producer, Associated  Performer, Keyboards, Studio  Personnel, Engineer: Caram Costanzo
Producer, Associated  Performer, Piano, Vocalist: Axl Rose
Associated  Performer, Drums: Bryan Mantia
Associated  Performer, Background  Vocalist, Bass: Duff McKagan
Associated  Performer, Guitar: Slash
Associated  Performer, Guitar: Richard Fortus
Associated  Performer, Keyboards: Dizzy Reed
A& R: Nick Groff
A& R  Coordinator: Michele Ronzon
Studio  Personnel, Additional  Engineer: Eric Caudieux
Studio  Personnel, Additional  Engineer: Sean Beavan
Composer  Lyricist: Guns N' Roses

“Perhaps” was played on Duff and Susan’s show on SiriusXM this morning!

I prefer Perhaps and Hard Skool to the majority of CD. Love the melodies.

Ali

Why isn’t Frank on the drums?

Sorry to say it but I'm camping with that guy.  Up to the band the direction they want to go, I'm just not following along.

I was at the show at Metlife on Tuesday. Anytime they played a chidem song or new i.e. hard skool or absurd fans didn't react like they do for any of the UYI or Appetite songs they play live. if they want to unload the coffers of Chidem era songs this way let them do it and im sure once this tour is over if they plan to put out music that they have come up with since reforming then id look at 2024 for that. People with this band are never happy they don't release music for years people complain. They release new songs people complain oh its an old song that was leaked out years ago you sound like a fan who will never be happy with what this band does.

I’m not complaining it’s just becomes satire.   90% of the people on this forum know it. I don’t give a shit what they do. Doesn’t change the fact that everything they’ve put out in the last few years is junk.

You are definitely complaining, and you say you don't care, but you care enough to say that you don't care. Take a break. I did after the 2014 Vegas Residency. Maybe they will work on new music like Slash said he wants to.

But, it may not sound like UYI no matter what 🤷🏽‍♂️

Ali

I’m not complaining, I’m stating my sentiments, and this single by the way has been the messiest dumbest release ever it was supposed to be released a week ago then it leaked. why reunite to release music from a different band.  Perhaps I am wrong. Hey hey, but I don’t believe you.

I have not listened
To any demos or leaks
Since 2008.

It’s all new to me…
Perhaps, Atlas, State of Grace…
Never heard any.

No locker room leaks,
Zero.  It’s ALL new to me.
So…I’m excited!!!

Splash
/Mike

I think I do too.  But, you know...it's funny.

To this day, my favorite versions of 'Chinese Democracy', 'Street Of Dreams' and 'Madagascar' are from RIR III.

Are they better than that album version?  Maybe, maybe not.

Or maybe its just that I wore those RIR III tracks out for SEVEN YEARS before I got a studio version.

Kind of hard to shake what you are already used to.

'Hard Skool' definitely the catchiest thing from those sessions.  Only other contender is probably 'Better'.

To be fair, these last 3 songs are really GNR in name only.  Only diehards like us and other assorted apologists consider CD to be true GNR.

I think you'd have to at least least see what the 7 people on stage every night the past 7 years could come up with on their own before you make that call.

Will that ever happen?  Well...

Hahahaha

Nice.

I 100% respect your willpower.  And freely admit I don't have even 1% of it.

I grab everything I can the second it comes out.  I reject the idea that it "ruins" it.  Or that it "spoils" it.

I listened to the shit out of the RIR III versions and the leaks for YEARS waiting on these dum-dums to get their act together. 

Had fun doing it too.  I dug those tunes.

On vacation in Greece, almost 10 min. past midnight. No Perhaps on either Spotify or Apple Music….

Pretty sure I bought a bootleg of that two decades ago off ebay. Back in the days when street of dreams was called the blues.

Totally get it.
Mileage may vary, but…still…
We are all fans here!

Splash

/Mike

:hihi:

OK, see you.

Ali

These songs are as much GN'R as Anything Goes, Reckless Life and Shadow of Your Love.

Ali

I'm in Pittsburgh, my account is in Sweden so I set my VPN to Sweden and I see it now that it's past midnight there...




/jarmo

You are right man, but Axl diehard fans here will kill you  :hihi:

Im listening to it on Spotify here in Spain

Me too.

Three times in a row now.

Overall, I like it, it's ok. I like it more than I liked Absurd when it came out. With Hard Skool though, I was hooked from the start.

Hopefully Perhaps grows on me.

By the way, What happens at 1'41"? seems like a part is missing before the solo? Anybody else noticed it?

It sounds like the beginin of Fink solo combined with Slash

Only GNR decides what is true GNR.

I disagree that it's only "diehards" interested in Chinese Democracy.

This I Love averages more daily listens than most of Appetite for Destruction.

It's 2023 and not every GNR fan was listening in 1987.

I really like it... I think it has potential to be a huge hit.. Then again Rock music always takes a backseat.  Way better than the demo.... I think it's a better song than Hard Skool and Absurd.  Brain does a really good job on the drums.. Also like Duff's bassline's.  I'm interested to hear them play it live.

It's Frank on Drums

The official credits say it's Brain.

Slash hits a quick note before the 1 beat. It's a bit awkwardly executed, making it sound unintentional.

You are right
I was wrong about that

Does the keyboard lick remind anyone else of What Kind of Life by Slash's Snakepit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5zsTiekUX4

Ironically the most industrial song Slash ever wrote.

It does sound like same chord progression alright

For the sake of conversation, I feel that Axl kept off the songs held back from CD because as you said, "None of these songs even sound like Guns N' Roses". I completely agree but that was the talk back in the late 90s/early 2000s.....Axl had taken the band into some different areas of music, including industrial rock and a bit of techno.

When Axl came out of seclusion in early 2006 he was carrying around a cd with 30 tracks on it. Some were said to be Chinese Democracy bound songs. Some were said to have no vocals, some with unfinished vocals, and a bunch completed. The 10-15 songs that didn't make it on CD were leaked. None of them sounded like GN'R. A couple could go on a Buckethead Pikes album. But I was okay with that. In fact, I liked a couple songs more than 75% of what ended up on CD.

Axl had said long ago that he was taking GN'R places nobody expected. Slash knew it and chose not to be part of it before he left.

I'm not crazy about Hard Skool or Absurd. I'm hoping Perhaps will be along the lines of some of the unreleased unfinished songs that were leaked. Some of them had more potential than Hard Skool & Absurd (Silkworms).

And as far as them currently being a cash grab touring band, I don't see it that way. A cash grab would've been a big tour and be done with it. They've been going for 7 years now. I really think Axl is just fucking lazy when he's not touring. He could have led the way for at least one complete album since Slash & Duff rejoined. Or he's got some deep-seated fear of rejection, because like you said, it's not GN'R.

My dream would be that they finish the leaked songs and mix it with whatever they come up with as the reunited unit.

And yeah it sucks they won't have that Izzy Groove on any new music.

I like the song alot.
I hope it will be popular cause its a quality song.

Ali don’t be so sensitive we all know how good the band is & that Axl Rose is one of the best lead singers to ever bless a microphone. Ass-kissing aside there are some great tracks on Chinese democracy but there’s also plenty of vaulted appetite and illusion material.  Just another Sunday  would have such mass appeal.  All to say your comparison to anything goes reckless life and shadow of your love , to what has presently been released is ABSURD.  

Reckless Life, Anything Goes and Shadow of Your Love were not originally conceived by GN'R. They ended up being worked on by GN'R and released as GN'R songs. Ergo, they are GN'R songs, like Perhaps. They're all GN'R songs. That is a statement of fact. How you feel about the songs is subjective.

Ali

The song always had a couple of interesting time sig changes, but that’s also just a bit of a bad edit unfortunately. You can still hear the old solo’s first higher pitched note before it fades behind the new solo from Slash. Think they’ve tried to lessen you noticing it by Slash’s guitar coming in with quite an attack, but you can hear it.

Annoying that isn’t cleaner. But a great song with a great video. Some good editing on the video to make the visuals look in time with the song too!

This is my fav of the new songs.

The first piano notes remind me of Hey Bulldog

guys be serious, they left that guitar part by choice. It’s a robin finck song at the end of the day, I think they left that part to fill a sound vacuum and leave a kind of homage to him. I think it’s cool.

Fair enough, just my take on it - still love the song and this completed version. Just a minor observation about that particular edit and blend they’ve done.

Just listened to Perhaps through Audio-Technica ATH-M50x headphones plugged into my RODECaster Pro mixer.

PERHAPS SOUNDS FUCKING AMAZING!

They took their time mixing this gem and it was worth the wait.

So many layers within this song and it's all incredible.

The only other tests for me are to listen to it through my Sony earbuds, my Bose wifi speaker and the sound system in my car.

This ranks near the top of my favorite CD songs.

The solo is incredibly tame.....perhaps Slash will rip it on the next single.

Axl's vocals are killer!!!

I love the song! Probably a live debut tonight?

I always listen on different devices too. It's remarkable how different elements are picked up on different speakers or headphones. Especially all the Chinese Democracy stuff

Well, I take back earlier my earlier comments.  I do prefer this new version to the old demo.

But I do think Robin's solo was better.  But it's not like Slash's is terrible or anything.

Yes, ESPECIALLY the CD stuff!

For example, my the Bose system in my car does not do it justice. Through headphones TWAT is unbelievably layered.

Someday I want to find a killer record player so I can listen to CD via vinyl through headphones.

I’m thrilled with Perhaps, cool video too, love the behind the scenes montages.

I see that the General is going to be B-side when they release the single on vinyl, hope they release it digitally as well.

Could they be ramping up to a full album release later this year or do tiny think they stick to singles?

Think this is where I’m at. Have had the song on loop several times today! 🤣🙌

The song is growing on me, I must say!

From the demo and the first listen to the actual release, it was sort of "meh" for me, but now my feeling is that it's actually quite cool. The music video (love that!) just adds to the experience as well.

The video is AMAZING!!

The creator of the video did an amazing job synching vocals and instruments with the song considering Perhaps has not yet been played live.

Melissa's HOTNESS shines at the 1:25 mark  :love:

OK I retract my previous statements perhaps I was wrong .  I love this song.

It's the same notes, but the 2nd note sustains, whereas in the original solo it was cut short as he struck another note. So it can't be the original solo.


I agree, earlier in this thread I said it's just Catcher in the Rye with more words and a less catchy chorus, but the final product sounds much better with proper production to give the instrumentation weight to it. And catchy choruses can sometimes be annoying, as I felt with Hardskool.

Great song.  Jealous the Pittsburgh will probably hear it tonight instead of last Friday at Hershey, but there is no doubt this band still has great music to release.

Perhaps being played in Times Square NYC

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CwG6zQagkwQ/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA

Do we know what the formal writing credits are?

Nope. Probably not til the release.

The only information so far is from Universal on YouTube, it just says "Composer  Lyricist: Guns N' Roses".

At the country club today, they know I'm a fan.  I wear a GNR hat.  I'm not a hard read.

But 3 dudes come up to me today and say, "hey, dig that new song, he sounds great."

I felt like a proud dad.

It’s an adult, rock dad song! Yacht Rock!

Of the 3 songs ( Hard Skool, Absurd & Perhaps), this song seems to be getting the most attention.  Hearing it a lot on Satellite radio this weekend and references on social media.

That's pretty obvious...absurd is unlistenable, not radio friendly at all....Hard school is more gnr oriented but apart from enjoying axl's vocals you get used to it very fast. Perhaps has a poppy sound without things in it that can really disturb the casual fan, plus it's very short and linear, good lyrics but not prosopopeic or never ending lyrics in ol' axl's fashion. Radio friendly but yet not banal, so it works.

Nice!

My order of the songs so far.  Loving 'perhaps'!

1. Perhaps 8/10
2. Hard-Skool 6/10
3. Absurd (SilkWorms much better IMO) 4/10

Hopefully we will get a run of new (old  ;)) material now!

I hope they release most of the CD vault songs... and put them in an EP or album maybe with a couple of live tracks like Slither and Chinese Democracy as bonus.  :peace:

I was curious about how well the song's done in the charts.

http://www.itunescharts.net/artists/music/guns-n-roses/songs/perhaps/

Perhaps ranked 3rd in both the UK and CA songs chart, #9 in America on August 18th.

Not too bad all things considered. I don't recall Absurd or Hard Skool ranked that high.

About to hit 3M views on YT.

I haven't noticed that someone commented on the meaning of the song and who it was written for...
When CD came out some of the songs were interpreted as songs that were written about Slash... such as Sorry. Perhaps feels like a song from the CD era, and perhaps only the harder chorus could be interpreted as such, if it was written during the "hate" period between Axl and Slash
Got a lot more than I bargained for
You're all alone now
You forgot about the others you were fighting for
You're all alone
Ooh, sold out to the ones that you once ignored
You're all alone now
You used to be a little crazy, now there's so much more
You're all alone

I was always under the impression that Axl felt betrayed by slash and the rest of the band, when they left.
Hey, my sense of rejection
Hey, hey
Is no excuse for my behavior, hey
You pulled the gun, hey, hey
That shot and crucified my savior

On the other hand, the beginning of the song, sounds as if it is about a love relationship that has gone sour...
I can`t quite catch the meaning of the song, although I love it. I guess my imagination is not wide enough at this point :peace: