Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Ok, I will assume that BH is out, even though management says he's under contract.  Now that being said, why did he do it?  Until he joined GNR I had never heard of BH but since then I've become a big fan, bought a few of his solo albums, etc.  I know there are a lot of people who knew him before hand, but I would have to think that since joining GNR his popularity has grown.  Hell, the guy was on the VMAs a few years ago. Would he ever be there for his solo work?  

But why would he quit?  It doesn't make any sense to me at all.  These guys are all under contract and as least at this point are getting paid to wait for Axl to call them.  It's not like they aren't free to do other things.  Tommy went on tour and recorded an album.  Dizzy has been on tour.  BH himself has kept on recording and touring.  If CD is nearly finished, or finished, as at least Mysterion and others belief, then one would have to think that these guys are standing at the starting line of a huge money maker.  If they tour again, and the album gets released, then they're all in the spotlight again, all making money and all playing the music they want to play (supposing that CD is released).  

I know that Josh Freese left because he contract was up and he's in like 6 bands.  Finck left when his contract was up because he was sick on playing on incompleted tracks.  But that was like 4 years ago now, when CD was still in the early stages.  We have to think (hope) that CD is finished or close too, Dizzy has said so, Tommy has said so, Fortus has said so.  From interviews it seemed like Axl and BH were closse friends and really understood each other.  I just don't see the logic.  It's like being a member of the band is holding anyone back from doing anything they want.

So what do you guys think?  If he did quit, I just don't understand why...

I ask myself that same question Dave.

The word is he quit due to his frustration of not touring and the fact Chinese Democracy is not released. Buckethead is free to tour and / or record his own or others albums. How would being in GNR be a negative thing? Its not like the guy can`t get out and play on his own. I think this was not a smart move on his part, he`s an awesome guitarist who just limited the size of his audience by quitting.  He`s never going to get the exposure he would have with GNR.

Two reasons that make sense, given all we know:

#1: He is so in love with his work on Chinese Democracy that he wants it displayed to the world as soon as possible, and can't put up with Axl keeping it under wraps any longer.

#2: Mystique. As stated, his fanbase isn't that big. It could be somewhat of a boost to be billed as "The Guy Who Wouldn't Take Axl Rose's Shit In His Final Days", that is if his leaving caused Axl to give up the business.

I guess he was just unhappy with his arrangement with the band.

Maybe it was the lack of any touring

maybe it was Axl

maybe he hates Nysnc Fortus

Who knows, i don't think its really an issue.

I only see 2 possible options

1. He did not quit he was fired.

2. CD is finished, his work is done, and he didn't want to be part of all the shit that's about to happen. (Music videos, touring etc..)

This is why i think BH left.
He said its because Axl was taking too long to release CD.

Well the way i look at it, BH has to knowhis plans with gnr this summer (ie are they gonna tour) if axl was not still sure when Cd is coming out and if gnr are touring this summer its not fair to BH that he has to wait and see.
BH needs to make plans to tour onhis own if gnr was not gonna tour.
and BH needs to book venues months in advance so he can tour.
If bh was to stay in gnr and  try and tour on his own this summer what would happen if axl said ok we are touring, bh would have to drop his solo shows and that wouldnt be fair.
IT would also not be fair if bh waited around to see if gnr was gonna tour, and what if they didnt, he would be doing nothing all summer.

If axl told BH the album will be out so and so date and gnr are touring starting so and so date, i think bh would nothave left.

I thought that Herbie's response summed it up:

"If Buckethead's out of GN'R, he can always go buy some more"  :rofl:

One option is that these guys don't have the same deep rooted emotional commitment that axl has in seeing this album through. Yes I'm sure there is a commitment b/c axl is their friend, they want to get this album out, and don't want their hard work (or axl's) to end up on the cutting room floor. But the fact of the matter is that most of these guys can go back to doing what they did before at the end of the day, and won't be worse off for their time spent on CD. This isn't a dig on the guys in the band or their ability/level of commitment, but there is a difference between who would be "hurt" more by the material never coming out. The other guys have options while axl's pretty much letting it ride. I'm sure on some level the guys recognize this.

If that's the case then maybe frustrations would build up over time and make them re-evaluate how badly they want to be there.

I just don't buy that it's because he's sick of waiting for Cd to be released.  He joined the band around mid '99 right?  Well now it's almost mid '04, that's 5 years!  He could wait 5 years but he couldn't wait anymore than that?  He couldn't go ahead and do whatever he wants with his solo career, while getting money for "being" in gnr and "waiting" for CD?  I don't buy it at all.

Probably one of the following

1. GNR is becoming a joke day after day and buckethead didn't want to be part of it as he was always a respected musician with cult status.

2. Buckethead didn't want to be part of touring, videoclips, promotion, GNR exposure, and be almost in every room of a 14-15 year old and worhip him as a god cause CD will be trendy and also His persona will be trendy. So maybe from the beginning he wanted just to be a studio musician for GNR bifore the release of the CD and stay in the cult status rather than be in the commercial side of the CD

3. The project in the name of Col. Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains.
This will be great project that will involve Les Claypool (Primus) and Brain. This
project needs touring and cds and as Les Claypool said before, Buckethead on GNR wasn'st allowing for this project to happen for 2 years now.

From what I understand, ever since Bucket signed on the dotted line, he's been pretty free to do anything he wants, concerning solo work and side projects, as long as it didn't interfere with GNR. I still don't believe he has left. Possibly it's a move of intimidation.

just how do you know it said he had the freedom to do all that in the contracts? maybe it was a blindspot and axl didnt want him to release all those albums... and maybe he didnt come too well along with axl..

basicly, we dont know SHIT of whats going on....

i dont want him gone, as you intended in the other thread. but everything points into that direction.....

How can you possibly make this argument? Nobody in their right mind could have possibly predicted in 1999 that this fucking nonsense would drag on till 2004.

It's a little like this website. Little by little people will stop coming here for news if this album is never released. Your argument is that if someone begins coming here for news right now in March 2004, you would not be able to understand why they finally give up in 2009 and say to hell with it, it's never gonna happen.

I cant see any good reason for him to quit either.... there is no good reason.... thats why i dont belive that he has quit.... i think its just the media making up shit again...

While it's true we don't know, it's obvious that he's had the freedom to tour and perform with other projects.

just to argue a little, a shot in the dark. what if axl did everything he could from making BH not making albums while in GNR? but it just couldnt be stopped, so now BH had enough of axl's whining, or axl had enough of BH's constant outlet of albums  :hihi:


or he might just lost the touch/spark with the guys. its not like he is doing music too much for the money. if he would he could hae been a real superstar.

maybe that is another thing. the way BH is constructed the media would crush him! they would do everything to post pic's of his face and take the mask off! maybe BH relized this and called it the quits?

First off, I highly doubt Buckethead was being paid during the hiatus.  If you're not rehearsing, recording, or playing, for what would you be paid?

Secondly, what the hell don't you people understand about this?

The only "why" to me is not why Buckethead quit, but why didn't he quit sooner?  What serious musician wants to rest on his laurels waiting for a frontman, especially one as disaster prone as Axl Rose, to get his act together?

that was my point....  if BH really was in music for money he would be a millioanere!


who knows how long he has been out? some say noe year. but i think, after listening to his albums, that he makes WAY different music than GNR's... so maybe he wasnt pleased with the way his playing turned out in the end..

You would get paid to be available for all those things and commited to them?

One possibility is that he quit (if he actually did) because he already made a lot of money from Guns N' Roses and is now much more recognized because of it. So he's used Guns N' Roses and is now done with it.

As for the suggestions that he's afraid of being big or doesn't think the music suits him, let's not forget he auditioned for the RHCP.

I think he finally had to decide if he wanted to be in GNR or keep doing his solo crap and claypool's gay bucket of shit band.  If GNR are going to finally do it then BH would not have time for his own shit so he had to choose now before it all exploded.

GNR for fucking ever

If (and that's a big if) he really quit, I would see no other reason  than he just got tired of not getting an album out and not touring, simple as that.

i don't have any doubt that gNr  is finished.i just thinks things are so screwed all the time with delay this delay that.b-head couldn't take it no more.but if things keep coming in the way of gNr then who knows.would axl just give up then.or who knows,thats what im worried about.the who knows part.

I think BH left cos he was sick of no touring or anything gettin done really

Yes, so he quit the band right before RiR and the possible (according to Mysteron info) European tour?

Doesn't make sense to me.

That's my thoughts exactly.

Hopefully its because hes proud of his work and wants it displayed to the world.  I'm sure there are some masterpieces out there, just imagine Bucket's guitar w/ Axl's vocals.  I guess we'll have to WAIT and see as always.

He'll be back.  Watch and see. ;)

A job doesn't pay you to be available.  It pays you to work.  My job expects me to be available for working hours, but if I'm not there working, I'm not being paid.  Same for any profession.



That sounds like something Axl would say.  Are you Axl's rant writer?  Is he rehearsing this for RIR4?   :hihi:

IF he did, I'm sure he'd have his reasons.

My thoughts IF he did leave:

1. Scared about being the one to replace Slash, as he knows if he ain't up to scratch {like Slash!} people will call him- mags, public etc.

2. Position of the band- CD, Axl, the others

3. Maybe he just isn't cut out for it!

4. Music isn't his style

5. Personal life- problems etc.

6. Professional life- solo work, another band etc.

I don't think he's left like! Oh well!  ::)

I highly doubt he would be "scared" of replacing slash, so what if the press compare his work to the former band. Buckethead knows he`s there for his own style of music - thats why Axl picked him and not some other guitarist who would be more easierly accepted by certain fans out there.

He`s a professional, he`s confident in his work - he wouldn`t have joined if it didn`t appeal to him. IF he`s left for good it won`t be one of the reasons above

You're not comparing your job to BH's are you?

Anyway, if BH wants to do a tour he has to check GN'R agenda first. If he wanted to spend 10 years in China he would not be allowed because he would have to show up whenever Axl called him. He would have to be available. And it's very possible he gets paid to be available.



That's just another possibility people have to consider. I don't think we'll ever know what happenned, that is if BH actually quit. And I doubt Axl will talk about him.

No.


I seriously doubt it.  You don't get paid for doing nothing.

Once I did.  I got paid $12/hr to record the temperature of some supercomputers every 4 hours.  But other than that, I was free to do hw, surf the net, and eat the food in their fridge.  Ahh, the joys of WorkStudy... Okay - that was waaay off topic  ;D

At this point the only info on why Bucket left is what his manager said (no tour, no album, etc).  We're not even sure exactly when he left.  And technically, he's still 'on contract' as Mysteron likes to say.

IF bucket has left, this is all very simple IMO.....He left because there has been 16 months of inactivity from this band regarding any aspect of the entity that is GNR, and because there is nothing imminent from where he was sitting...All his departure does is confirm that we are no closer than we have been at any other point throughout these past 3-4 years.

He probably quite because he was bored of hanging around for when ever the GN`R tour *might/might not?* happen.

He`s probably done everything he can do as far as CD is concered. Face it, he`s had enough time to create & release Buckheadland 2, and soon he`ll have another new album out. That in it`self shows he hasn`t been doing anything new with reguards to CD. BH is propbably burning with ideas & plans, and dosn`t want to hang on & on & on for the whole GN`R thing...  : ok:

I`m one of the lucky ones, i`ve already seen the new GN`R perform live  : ok:
I sure hope Buckethead returns to The U.K. again, sometime soon  :)

Maybe he quit because be got sick of the freaking drama...Lord Knows Axl is a one high maintenance dude...blows off his band twice...an opening  gig and a sold out gig...it's not professional, or from a purely human to 1\2 human experience, not nice...and it can get old real fast I'm sure...I'm not surprised he left...he's probably feels much relieved and has learned a lot about prima dona rock stars...

That's my point, he's not "doing nothing". He is under a contract that says he HAS to play with Guns N' Roses whenever he's required. He received money to sign that contract, and if he gets paid monthly or just got it all at once is irrelevant. The point is that if he has a contract he's getting paid for it. Don't you remember Gilby saying he knew he wasn't wanted anymore when the money stoped coming?

I think it's just the fact that Axl has to have the perfect record and will not be pressured in to release.  Not even if a band member leaves.  But this is very important if Buckethead leaves, more delays possibly? Who knows...we need an update.

I have no idea why anyone here is placing their faith in Mysteron.  I mean why would anyone here who has any 'inside knowledge' post on a unofficial message board.

The techniques of imposters here have been incredible and everyone would like to think Mysteron is credible.  Give me a fucking break ::)

Where is Mysteron when we DEMAND anwers?  If he is in the 'know', why doesn't he demand answers instead of 'asking'?  

BH quit because CD is not coming out anytime 'soon'.  GNR don't exist anymore.  The sooner you people realize this band is dead, the better off you will all be as you are all headed for a BIG disappointment.

And I am the first to say that the whole situation stinks, however, you should deal with reality instead of keeping unwarrented faith. :peace:

Doctors are on call at all times and they HAVE to be there whenever called.  But they're not getting paid when they're lounging at home, even if they are on call.

And Gilby was still being paid because his likeness was being used in GNR promotional material (royalties).  After he was fired, he sued Axl for continuing to use his likeness without paying him.  Buckethead has not been featured in any promotional material because there hasn't been any.

If his leaving truly has you puzzled, if you really don't understand, then there's no possible reason that could be given which you would understand.

I have no idea why anyone here is placing their faith in Mysteron.  I mean why would anyone here who has any 'inside knowledge' post on a unofficial message board.

Hmm, well, seeing as there's no official GNR board, and this is the best known GNR board on the net, I can see why he'd choose to post here  ;)

Personally if Buckethead was in fact merely under contract to Axl then he may have chosen to depart for many reasons. His part or required contribution to Chinese Democracy is done and he has no interest in touring yet again with the band, or wants to persue other projects in other bands. Chinese Democracy may be nowhere near completion or Axl is not happy with the current status of the material, and Buckethead is even more frustrated with his current involvement in the band.  How would you feel being a member of a band completely poweless in the release of the finished project. Buckethead has worked four years on this album and still has nothing to show for it or maybe never will if Axl decides to scrap his work. Why would Buckethead go down with the ship? If anyone does it will be Axl on his lonesome.

My sister's husband gets paid to stay at home in case his needed (he's a doctor). He lives near a hospital, so he can't go too far away, but still he's "doing nothing" and getting paid for it.

wasnt it buckethead hemmoraging that officially fucked up the Europe summer tour in 2001(or wa s it 2000? the years in GNR are all alike.its hard to tell tell them appart.)

does anyone know if that was for real or a cover up storry for Axl?

It was the official word, but I don't know what you mean by "covering up for Axl". If I remember correctly Doug Goldstein is not longer with GN'R because of that incident.

Personally, I think buckethead quit a long time ago and because of contractual reasons it couldn't be mentioned until now. He probably quit after the tour ended or before and that's why it ended.

Where's Mysteron? He's disappeared suddenly...

AA.

Maybe because he's tired of waiting for ever ???
 :yes:

Helping Axl put the final touches !

If Buckethead quit why did bootsey collins introduce him as the lead guitarist for gnr at the grammys. I dont care what that article says. You can tell its bullshit. Why would he have bootsy say that. If he was out he would have said he was an underground guitar player or somehting liek that. Theres no reason to say gnr unless hes in it. I still think this is all bullshit. ANd if it is im gonna have the biggest sigh of relief

yes - I think BH and Bootsy are friends, so Bootsy would know more than most of us. But... why would the MTV report be so blatantly false?  I dont see any reason for them to make up stupid stories like blabbermouth.

I think if this rumor was true, Buckethead's friend Bootsy would have been one of the first people he would have told and Bootsy would have never made any reference to GNR at the Grammys.

Here's my theory on what's up with this (and I believe it all has to do with friendship):  I think this rumor was started just to sucker people into buying tickets for Dizzy's and Buckethead's solo tour gigs because fans would go just to try and find out if the rumor is true.  It seems to be a very big coincidence that this rumor involves the two members currently doing solo gigs.

Remember last year when Tommy was doing his solo gig with Jesse Malin?  Ticket sales for the Bowery Ballroom show weren't selling very well.  The morning of the show, in the NY Post (newspaper), there was an "Axl Sighting" mention.  Everyone figured Axl was here to go to the Tommy show.  The show sold out.  Axl was NOT here.

Fast forward to March 2004:  One of Dizzy's shows at another local club was cancelled by the venue supposedly due to poor ticket sales.  A few days later, a Buckethead's solo tour was announced.  A few days after that, Dizzy was rumored to have said that BH was "unofficially out" of GNR.  A few days after that Dizzy's Don Hills show sold out.

My point:  To support his friends in their solo careers, Axl concocted and/or allowed this GNR rumor.  Everybody wins.  The guys solo stuff is successful, GNR gets alot of free publicity, and MTV can report how Buckethead was "talked into" re-joining GNR for R4 in Lisbon.  ;D    

He's disappeared because his insistence that Buckethead was still in GnR a week or so the announcement proved that he has been full of shit all along...and in the dark as much as the rest of us.  Cmon, man...this guy has been claiming that BH was in the band for the past year...and now it comes out that BH has been out of GnR for the past year.  If that doesn't deflate anyone's claims to having "inside information," then I don't know what would.  

I don't think Mysteron ever claimed to be some sort of an insider, others may have tagged him as one, but he does/ did seem to be the one person who could ask GnRs management questions, & actually get an answer back. Of course, the answers they gave were just what they wanted people to believe, & not necessarily the truth, & Mysteron actually agreed when I posted something similar about a week ago.

Well, its good to hear that he did that...but its still not cool to try and portray that you're "in the know" more than you really are.  And the whole "mysterious identity" thing....well, thats just a good way to try and convey that you have some kind of insider credibility...to hide the fact that you're just an everyday joe/josephine like the rest of us.  I think most people on this board have had enough of bogus rumors.  I don't expect to see a new crop of Mysterons on here in the future...people just won't tolerate that kinda stuff anymore.

true - if Sanctuary is  being so tight-lipped about the BH question (the 'he has a contract' doesnt really answer the question), then perhaps BH is legally prevented from discussing it, and so Boosty would have not made any GNR reference at all.
But... I hope your theory about the solo work isnt true!  What a horrible way to get people to buy tickets!

Because they actually think blabbermouth has correct info...

Bucket isnt out people its a big joke. when are you gonna learn

I dont think MTV is going to Blabbermouth as a source...


Denial is a sad thing...

Still here

I've not just been reading this thread

So you still have faith of Bucket being in the band Mysteron?  I know I do...I just wish someone other than mtv would announce this like Buckethead himself/puppet or GN'R fuckin management!

Not caring really. Guitarists can be replaced. Like you, I just wish it was dealt with properly and officially

I completely agree they can and will be replaced in this band obviously.  But I grew to love Bucketheads playing style from the start.  I thought it was perfect for this GN'R circus Axl has constructed.  I'm still hoping he's in the band...somehow.

I is an everyday joe and am not in the know. I can just get answers etc (all explained before)......mysteron relates to childrens tv, not being mysterious

...wow - that's harsh.  Suddenly, your cartoony avatar looks a lot more menacing to me - you can laugh, but it does.

Musicians can be replaced, but at what cost?  If BH has/had an important role in the creation of CD, then will his parts have to re-recorded?  There arent many people in the world who can play like him.

And if he did not have a big role, then all these "I grew to love BH", "This new band has great chemistry!" and other such opinions seem superfluous if he turns out to be so unimportant.  Cogs in a machine.

If the Buckethead Merch were to suddenly be gone off the merch.com ...

That might be a sign... That seems to be the only site they do update....

about that time the rumorrs of Axl's bad hair transplant came out..., and if I think Doug Goldstein was thrown out after he reschedlued the tour for fall 2001 "with out Axl knowing about it"...

BTW why did the say that the reason for the cancelation of the tour is buckethead if Axl didn't even know that there was a tour?!

It is now safe to say Bucket is done with Gnr. He has scheduled concert dates through August 1-alot with Giant Robot which I believe involves Brain. He could be gone too...This is really disturbing me as I hoped Bucket and Axl could work out the issues. Doesn't look that way at all. Another dead year in Gnr land. >:(