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appetite for destruction is one of the greatest rock records ever but it couldve been an album that couldve rivaled even micheal jacksons thriller
this couldve been the tracklisting

1.welcome to the jungle
2.its so easy
3.nightrain
4.out ta get me
5.mr brownstone
6.paradise city
7.my michelle
8.back off bitch
9.sweet child o mine
10.dont cry
11.november rain
12 rocket queen

imagine that tracklisting

u wouldve had 2 more top 5 singles to go with pc wttj and scom the way records sold in the late 80's

but they saved dc and nr for the illusions

but how much greater would afd had been like this?

U crazy foo' :hihi:

Its perfect as it is.

The Illusions albums are perfect as they are.

 what if questions.. haha .... well that may well be, but i doubt there would have been 2 more singles .. that ultimately means some great single songs would've just stayed great album songs... AFD. well someone said once that mastepieces are equal in value.. hmm. not really, but it's hard to imagine AFD being better... for sure one of the top5 albums ever... probably the best .. saying "probably" is just to do justice to Zoso, Sgt Pepper or THe Wall... what if CD is just a best of collection of the last 10 years..  8)

I agree with Izzy. Plus, if those songs had been on it, the album would have had to have been delayed until September, 1991. They were nowhere near finished the right way when Appetite For Destruction came out.

    that summed things up good

It IS the greatest album of all time you clown.

As far as I know, LPs can have about 50 minutes of music on them. In 1987 people were buying LPs, not CDs.

Your tracklist is about 62 minutes.

No way would they release a double-album as their debut.


/jarmo

I seem to agree that it's perfect as is. I've never heard a better album.

Appetite is the greatest album of all time and you want to fuck it up by tinkering with it.

The 3 songs you take from UYI's belong where they are.  They don't fit inside AFD.

You're obviously bored to lunacy.

Back Off Bitch, I can see how it might fit.  But not Dont Cry and NR!  

AFD is the epitome of balls-out, hard-rocking dirt, grit and sleaze!  

NR, as much I love it, is not raw.  It doesnt scream of the streets (yes, I am aware that Axl conceived NR when he was living on the streets), but the production values dont fit the AFD style.

Anyway, this album was lightning in a bottle, as many people like to say.  You cant try to make it 'nicer' - it is what it is.

Yeah, D, I'll have to agree with everyone else on this thread.  Most of us agree that Appetite already IS the best album ever made, even if there's a song or two on there that we could live without (for me, it's "You're Crazy", but I love each and every one of the rest).  "Back Off Bitch" might have fit on there, but then the UYI albums would be without one of their greatest rockers.  Also, I think that "Bitch" expresses the alienated-lover topics of a lot of the UYI songs, albeit in a more angry way than the ballads.

"November Rain" and "Don't Cry" are both amazing songs, but they don't belong on Appetite For Destruction for four reasons.  #1, they were both unfinished at that point, and wouldn't have been as effective as they were on later albums.  #2, Appetite was the sound of righteous anger from the streets, a venomous hard rock album and a lyrical precursor to gangsta rap.  These two songs are both soft, beautiful ballads, and while they work wonders on the later, more mature work on Use Your Illusion, they don't fit in with this raw, balls-out rock 'n' roll record.  #3, as Jarmo pointed out, with these three songs, the album would have been too long.

And finally, #4 is that when you're making a statement like GN'R were on AFD, you don't want to dilute the message with too many ballads.  A lot of ballads can weigh down an album, and GN'R had to keep it fast and tight on this hard rock milestone.  That's part of the magic of "Sweet Child O' Mine".  It's a diamond in the rough, the one bit of sweet melodic relief on an album otherwise full of hard, slamming rock.  And even then, it's not as soft as "Patience" or even "Don't Cry".  It's fast enough, loud enough, and electric enough so that it coincides perfectly with the rest of the album, making a contrast but at the same time complementing it perfectly.  When you hit track 9 on Appetite...well, that's musical perfection right there.

I say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Bah...  Those songs would fuck up the flow of the album... plus I really like Think About You.

If you replaced You're Crazy and Anything Goes with You Could Be Mine and Back Off Bitch... maybe you'd be onto something.  Still, I don't think either AFD or UYI need be fucked with.

Yes


No

N.W.A. - N.W.A. And The Posse (1987)

Ice-T - Rhyme Pays (1987)

Schoolly D - Schoolly D (1986)

Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five - "The Message" (1982) (Complete with jungle analogy)

These are the lyrical precursors to gangsta rap.  I know some  desperately want to give GNR credit for that kind of influence, but its simply not there.  Gangsta rap was influenced by the artists actual environment and other rap music, not Guns N' Roses.  GNR rode the same tide of cultural change as rap music, but theyre not responsible for it.  There was cursing, drugs, misogyny and poverty in rap before Appetite For Destruction.  

The only song that could have possibly enhanced AFD is "You Could Be Mine".

No, APPETITE IS THE BEST EVER.

Dont Cry and NR would ruin it.

They are great on Illusions.

Every track on AFD is worthy.. not one track is a filler.. even Anything Goes or Think About You.

Crazy crazy thread!

 the sort chemistry of all the songs on AFD is impossible to explain... u gotta feel it not understand it... at the time they record Appetite they had no idea that this was gonna be the best album ever (in my mind anyway) ... they just hit the mark.. incredible really ... all the songs fit together so well and apply great to any social message or idea that u may have on the world. it's hard to imagine something missin'.. someone called it perfect.. yeah.. for me it may very well be perfect.. i did a project for school some time ago... it's theme was AFD and how much of a social/political message it had to me and how much it affected me and others in so many things ... AFD is a soundtrack to rock itself. when i think about it i can't but think of Che GUevara, MArtin Luther KIng, John Lennon, Orwell , Baudelaire and so many others... it purest form of art... absolutely inspiring.. i can honestly say that this album has changed and then saved my life.. what if questions are ussualy pointless .. this has upset me. obvsiously.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that You Could Be Mine just missed out on being finished enough to make it onto AFD.

Appetite is the greatest album ever, beats thrillers ass imo

sorry guys just a statement

i meant better than thriller sales wise
of course it kicks thrillers ass and most other albums i was goin strictly by sales when i met it couldve been the greatest cd ever

Sorry didnt wanna sound rude, i didnt know ya meant sales wise, my bad :beer:

Appetite for Destruction is the best album ever.
Personally I think songs like November Raoin would have ruined it as they did not fit in with the album's sound.
It is a perfect album already!    : ok:

I think AFD was perfect as is....the only Illusions song that I think could have snuck on would be you could be mine.

My one question about this thread though goes out to D:
Do you really think by adding NR and Don't Cry that it would have sold that many more albums?....it would have to sell 11 million more albums just to catch Thriller

it wouldve came close

think about it

how well would have afd crossed over with nr and dc

most that cd is hard and were snatched up by rock fans

nr, dc wouldve made my mom and dad buy it

so 11 million more i think wouldve been very possible

records sold like hell back in the late 80's

so yeah GNR pulled a bon jovi

bon jovi had at least 2 more singles off Slippery when wet but they pulled the plug on the album

GNR were full steam ahead but only released 3 singles in the US imagine if they wouldve continued riding that storm and released two songs like dont cry and nr back to back following scom and pc

No they didn't.  :P

There weren't more singles on that album unlike Bon Jovi, whose albums are full of singles for "moms and dads".....  :hihi:

So don't compare a rock band like GN'R to a radiofriendly pop rock act like Bon Jovi.  :P

Now that we've decided that AFD is perfect the way it is. Is your next thread gonna be about how great Lies could've been if they had included Don't Cry and November Rain on it?  ;D


/jarmo

November Rain and Don't Cry doesn't fit in Appettite, maybe Don't Cry but AFD was a guitar driven kick ass in  you face album.  It's perfect as it is.  November Rain made a few people think about GN'R again because they had a fuck you image.  AFD was aggressive, and NR and Don't Cry just didn't fit in the album.  They did perfectly fit in the Illusion Albums though

NR and Don't cry would have sucked if they were released back in '87. Those songs took years to be brought to perfection,especially NR.

Anyway,who gives a fuck???

I love the album the way it is entirely but as someone pointed out already, the only two tracks i wouldnt mind have been replaced with something, anything else at all would be Anything Goes and Your'e Crazy. I just do not like those songs at all. Something about the sheer beauty of SCOM abd then the thunderous riff of Your'e Crazy ruins it for me, and I think Anything Goes is a really weak song. Noway would November Rain have fit on there at all. The redone tracklisting that you included would actually damage the flow of the album in my opinion. All albums have flaws and no perfect album exist but AFD is pretty close in my opinion.

Appetite for Destruction is the greatest album ever.  I want the re-recorded version with Buckethead!

 :hihi: Use the brain you fuck!
 
Appetite is the fuckin' greatest album of all time!
It's perfect as it is!! :smoking:

ok guys we are make believing here

im sayin if dont cry and november rain wouldve been finished

come on this is hypothetical

and jarmo why didnt gnr release rocket queen as a single?

that is at times my fav gnr song on afd, i think it couldve done well on the charts


DISCLAIMER:

WHEN TALKIN BOUT AFD IM SPEAKING STRICTLY IN SALES ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

of course its the greatest rock cd of all time music wise, im talkin stictly sales

appetite is perfect as is and its hard imagining any different cause we've been listening to it for over a decade and a half

had it been released out of the gates with those two songs it still wouldve been awesome

dont think as hearin it now, u got to think hypothetically

this is sort of pointless but its still cool thinkin of what if this or that

also another point im makin is

some people say gnr changed their image got softer with the illusions etc

mypoint is they already had these "soft" songs wrote, so technically they didnt sell out or change at all cause that style was apart of them from the beginning

Because the album had run its course regarding singles?

Nightrain was released in 1989, GN'R Lies had already been released with Patience as the single.




Of course they didn't sell out. But as Axl himself pointed out, in the Making Of Don't Cry I think, they wanted to save Don't Cry for the second album. They knew it was a good song and saved it because they didn't know if Appetite For Destruction would sell at all.

That baiscally means you can forget about having Don't Cry on the album.

November Rain was probably saved for later because it just wouldn't fit the album. It's a ten minute epic, name another ten minute epics on that album. There is none.


/jarmo

I agree about You Could Be Mine would have fit fine on AFD. I think two songs would have been fine on it You Could Be Mine and back Off Bitch both would have been cool on AFD. I don't think Don't Cry and NR would have been a good thing for AFD. I think it is the greatest album I heard and of all time.  :)

It's as if you're talking just to hear the sound of your voice.

Or making a thread just for the sake of making a thread.

Hypothetically huh??

So then let's discuss, "hypothetically".....would the Mona Lisa have been more impactual if she was "better" looking??

Answer: "Why ask the question because it is what it is"

Appetite For Destruction is THE GREATEST ALBUM OF ALL MOTHERFUCKIN TIME and discussion otherwise is blasphemy.

True GN'R fans don't question AFD.

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