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Do yourselves a favor and go get a copy of Chicago 11/18.....watch that tape and then come talk to me about the chemistry of this band

How can i get a copy of Chicago 11/18?

Chicago'02 is my favourite new GN'R show... beyond the MSG one. The chemistry is great exept for fuckedhead... euhhh buckethead. It's great he is gone. I couldn't bear him. I especially noticed the great chemistry between Finck and Fortus. But once again, Axl should stop to dress with xxxxxxll clothes. watching a show is also visual.
I think "Paradise City" is phenomenal on that show.

I'm with you that the band has great chemsitry together from what I've seen, I just got a few tracks from the MSG show. Watch Axl and Tommy during the ending of YCBM as well as the look Axl and Robin give eachother as Sweet Child ends. Also, Robin's solo in SCOM is gorgeous.

If you want to see REAL chemistry....watch the Ritz 88. This band may have some chemistry, but its like we have transfered from Harvard to a local community college. Can you still get an education at both, absolutely, does that make the community college education as good as the Harvard....absolutely not.

The same can be said of the chemistry of this band. Do they have some....yeah, is it a serious downgrade from what we used to have.....yeah.

That is the climax of new gnr for that tour,. That look that song. right there was the end of new gnr for that tour....

Albany is another great show to watch if you doubt this bands chemistry. Even Buckethead gets involved in that show....

or watch chicago 2002  ;) this thread isnt about the old band.

Being that you want to go there...

you talk of a serious downgrade. You know whats a serious downgrade? The music on CB compared to what they are capable of. Thats a serious downgrade. You know what else a serious downgrade is? The lack of respect I have for Duff and Slash, Duff in particular for running thier mouths and saying bullshit over the past few yrs. Thats the downfgrade my friend.

Back on topic....for anyone who doubts the chemistyr of this band, please go watch some of the shows on the past tour.

 And where can i get the chicago show? I have the MSN on VHS, but i would really like to see Chicago! Is it awalible to download on the internet?

And one more thing! I Love Nightrain from Pukkelpop! Anyone seen this great clip? http://www.newgnr.com/dloads/shortclips/axlntrain.wmv

Yeah, anyone who says this band doesn't have chemistry is really in denial. This is a group of guys that genuinely, creatively connect to each other, and have a blast. It's evident in any performance you see...

No ones saying they don't have chemistry, just it isn't on the level of what GNR fans had grown accustomed to during the previous incarnation's 6-7 years that we had a touring, album releasing version of GNR.

Some would say that chemistry ended during the illusions...but agian this is not another old vs new gnr thread....

Many complain and whine about the current bands chemistry. Citing that because this band doesnt eat dinner with each other every night, bang each other, or whatver else you might think makes a tight band i say go watch a show from the past tour and you will see a band with chemistry.

 :D Or rather
Community college - Ritz 88
Harvard? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? - Cicago 2002

I don't dis Community college tho.

Yeah that's the reason people complain n whine because they're not with eachother every other night... No one says they don't get along, people just state how it's odd that they do so many things apart from eachother, the idea only one guy knows what' truly going on, and the idea they don't have one album out as a group and can't give a piece of concrete news..

If the band was out there playing no one would care about these petty issues.. You don't need to sell anyone your chemsitry theory, it's the waiting? which has people talking..

Plus msg they were tight, there's never been a doubt for me..

The band had great chemsitry by the end of the show. Of course it's a different vibe than the band that grew up and lived together in the slums til they broke big, but as a new musical entity, they were terrific. Just because this new incarnation of GnR lacks elements from the original doesn't mean there still isn't something wonder to get out of it. It's kinda like extra crispy KFC chicken: not as good as original recipe in flavor but the crunch more than compensates.

Of course all bets are off if Bucket is not in the band.

What is is with that Ritz 88 show???????????n Every time someone tries to prove that the new GNR is shit compared to the old one,they mention Ritz 88.
 What was so fuckin special about that?Just a bunch of young drunk punks on a tiny stage and an Axl Rose far from his peak as a performer

well it is possible to have a good night...saying go look at this one show and talk to me about chemistry...come one!!!

Chicago, Albany, MSG, Columbus...

To me it's not about picking the best performance, because they're all great, specially after the first ones. The problem is that some bootleg recordings are better than others.

well send me a copy, im bustin' to see it :rant:

MSG by it's self was the best chemistry ever, fuck you haters seriously you dont know shit, they are unreal : ok:

But you are all forgetting an important part of the equation and that is Buckethead.

Buckethead dropped out of the college/university.

And yes, the band had chemistry.......but I also think that BH's departure hit Axl very hard.

Younggunner.......I think they rocked.......I saw MSG performance and Boston. 

I just hope they continue to rock, but I honestly don't see GN'R as a functioning band anymore and I'll be really surprised if CD does come out. :'(

Or not... let's wait till Guns N' Roses starts touring again to make a call.

Your a joke younggunner,what about Axls lack of respect..those guys can suck my dick... u forgot about that...Duff and Slash had the balls to tell Axl to stick it up his ass,they moved on and its obvious Axl is struggling with out them,,tick tock tick tock

Theres a big difference between cursing at someone and lieing. Aww Axl told SLash and the boys to suck his dick. Poor babies. Bad Axl. You white trash piece of shit you. Your not allowed to curse in rock n roll.
Give me a fukin break.
All Slash and Duff have been doing is exactely what Axl has said they have been doing...making up bullshit. Its getting old.

You can talk about the delays all you want. You wont get an argument here. But again as I and many other peopel have said on the boards, that argument is only good until the album drops. And if that album is a masterpiece its gonna be fun ...  ;)

If you're gonna quote Axl, do it properly...? : ok:

some one really should ask Slash n' Duff if they never wanted to play those songs.....see what they say ???

cant wat to hear there version of shit

But your argument fails when you say "it's Rock n' Roll" for swearing.  I would put speaking your mind as a Rock n' Roll thing too.  Infact the guys that stick up for either side all the time - you make them all look weak, like they need their fans to defend them?lol - they are grown men, leave them to it.

Just because You or I don't agree with something  they say.  Who cares?  How does that matter to anyone but them?  Only they and the people around them really know the shit that's gone on and we will probably never get a true understanding of it all. Because it's all coming from a point of view.  It's always going to be a different side of things.

Why do people get so personal when and feel they have to defend one side?? I really don't get that, it's not a sport, it's music.  If you would call them liars to their faces then fine be a man and do that if you feel the need to.  I personally fully respect everyone that made Appetite, Lies and Illusions and i always will. I love that band and that music. And i'm fully behind CD as i have been for 13 bloody years. 

The GN'R fan-fantasy-divide thing is what's getting old, because I would say most of us don't think that way.  Axl may like VR, who's to know?  Just because he doesn't get on with the guys anymore, Doesn't mean he couldn't like the music. 

Anyway as you say it's Rock N' Roll.

I was at Chicago and I agree, the best show I have ever been to. I also have seen several bootlegs of others and think they all were great!

Dude... fuck Harvard.

"Dizzy", you have no way of knowing if that happened or not. To say "So I guess that makes Axl "Mr. I cannot tell a lie" Rose a liar." is making up stuff out of your ass, simply showing how desperate and irrational you are when it comes to bashing Axl.

Man how the hell do you know Slash is tellin' the truth, Slash n' Duff are the once's bithin' n' cryin' right now, the only thing Axl had something to say on the 02' tour was it was hard for him to get those dudes to play those songs, nothing els really :no:

Lets see when interviews n' all that shit starts happening for GNR, Slash n' Duff cant shut up about Axl, they're the ones sooking over him in every interview, sure they get asked questions about him but they like to brag on!!!

You say 'Slash didnt want to play them initially, but the fact is, he did end up playing them'.......well i wonder why : ok:

Yes to show that they didnt want to do it. Its brought up because it plays into the whole gnr braking up situation.

and in no way is he taking away the contributions from what the old members did. All he is saying is that if they had their way we wouldnt have songs liek that.

Of course Axl could be the "better" man and not curse at the old members. But if you actually look at what he is saying he isnt lieing or atleast is not changing his tune. All he says is that they didnt want to work as hard as they needed to work. And that if they had their choice they would rather do AFD type stuff.
ANd the other side they say all this shit about Axls creative input in the band. They should be grateful that Axl Rose was the frontman of that band.

Please point me to an Axl quote where he knocks or takes away the contributuons of duff or slash. The actual music contributions. Axl respects old gnr.

The difference between Axl and the old guys is that Axl could give two shits about them in the sense of what they do. Axl has his own mind made up and he sticks with it.

No he isnt. He has never bashed or took away the contributions of the old members. Regardless of whther they wanted to do it or not. They did it and produced. He is saying that if he didnt push them or whatver that those songs wouldnt have existed only because they wanted to do more rnr based songs. Im ny eyes that is not a knock

and if you look at the situation is Axl lying? I dont see VR putting out epic masterpieces. What have VR been saying all along? That they wanted to keep it simple, that they wanna just do rnr.

Thats fair. We have no idea if its the total truth. But witht hat being said, Axl hasnt changed his tune. He has stuck with what he has been saying. And what he says about the old guys is turning out to be true. But its up to you to take it as truth.

BUt it fits right in with the contradictions slash and duff have. They say 1 thing and then later on they say another. Plus it fits right in with the breakup. The main reason is artistic differences and philosophies. Axl wanted to "keep pushing" while the old guys want to keep it "simple" theres no right or wrong. BUt its wrong to bash Axls contributions to old gnr. Th eold members have been talking a big game lately becaus eof VR but back in the day Axl was the maiun show with GNr and they got fed up with that.

How though? Let me ask you a question. FOr the most part, particularly before VR and particularly before they started yapping this past yr, wouldnt you agree the general perception especially among gnr fans was that Axl killed old gnr because of his music vision etc?
How did that perception come about? Because of the comments SLash and DUff and Mtatt have made over the yrs regarding the situation. Axl didnt say jack shit for the longest time.
How come you say hes painting himself as the savior when he speask his side for the first time. He has only talked about the situation in a frmal matter a handful of times. I just dont get why he is not allwoed to speak his piece on the matter.

First off, as you always do, you make it seem as if all Axl does is talk about the old band when he rants. That is incorrect. He didnt even talk much on the past tour. There were a handful of instances when he discussed the old band. ANd it weasnt bashing them. It was more towards discussing his side of the story. He comes across as fed up with what there saying. Why is that wrong? Cant he be pissed if they are lying about the whole thing? And tell his fans.

That would be fine only if they didnt bash Axl and his contributions and talk a big game when they are the flavor of the week. It would also be fine if they wrere singing the same tune throughpout the whole time, not going back and forth.

CB is proof of many things

And that contradicts your complaining about the axl rants. CB doesnt have estrangeds,nr etc on it. Axl has said they didnt want to do those songs. So whats the problem?

Alright :rant:
Ya fuckin' Velvet Revolver mates are they one's whining in every interview just like i said. :rant: :rant:

Lets dig up every interview from VR n' lets see who the fucking cry baby's are, Axl this Axl that. !!!!!
They say how great there new band is and they've moved along but they just cant seem to shut the fuck up about Axl.
Obviously it was a hard time to get Slash n' Duff to do those songs, and he wants to get the story straight to the GNR fans, n' im glad he told us, thats something i wanna know about : ok: Axl can talk about his own band n' explain afew things ya know,
VR members like to talk about there old singer n' tell you it's not GNR without them, i dont think they've moved along much, still draggin' the past along with em'!!!! :rant:


Oh but Axl whines over how he tried to get them to play old tunes  ::)     big fuckin' deal dude, come up with somethin' els he said!!!!

But first, what about VR... ;)

I'll send you a copy Clintron. I don't have your address anymore tho.

If I don't know it did happen (and I don't), you don't know either. So why did you say "that makes Axl "Mr. I cannot tell a lie" Rose a liar", if you don't know? Do you think you're being fair?

And I think it's irrelevant if I believe Axl or not on this issue. I never stated my opinion on it, because I don't want to discuss that in the "To anyone who doubts the chemistry of this band..." thread.


You're not bitter because you criticize Axl, and you can do that all you want for all I care. Just do it at the right place (that means, not on every single thread in this forum) and without making stuff up.

And try to recognize when other people (Slash, Duff) are lying. If you did that I would take your critics on Axl and Guns more seriously.

So, in short, you?re practically saying that Slash?s leaving GNR may have been the best thing that actually happened to GNR... as it caused the band to bring about this sparkling and spanking new chemistry after all. Yes? :yes: