Here Today... Gone To Hell!

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Thanks Gypsy!  : ok:




/jarmo

thx gipsy, that was fun eheh

the life of a rock star!! :smoking:

glad to see that Axl was keeping his feet on the ground and not acting like a wanker. Izzy said it best when he said something like ' he became all hollywood and I thought your just trailer trash from Indiana'. Im paraphrasing, but what type of guy wears that crap. Symptomatic of what was to come....or more to the point what wasn't.

Who is Chris Cornell?

It was four albums and the songs usually have more complex lyrics than other pop and rock artists.

Do you actually like rock music?? or are you just a cult of axl fan?? or is this a joke??

even then the teleprompter thing was silly. How often were GNR throwing rare songs into the mix?? they played pretty much the same setlist give or take 3-4 songs for 2 years. Axl managed it fine before he started getting all uppity, and 99.9% of bands with many more albums manage just fine. It was indulgence pure n simple.

I mean 'welcome the the ummmm ???.....and Axl has the nerve to slag Izzy for supposedly being so stoned he couldnt play guitar live when he cant even remember his own songs. (funny how Mr stoned Izzy played  and recorded just fine solo)

GNR lyrics hardly ever follow a regular song platform i.e. verse-chorus-verse-chorus-verse.  As well as it's not often that he will repeat chorus lyrics.  If you look at a print-out of most of GNR's song lyrics you can tell that they are very long compared to other songs.  I absolutley see him using the teleprompter.  He is also not the type who can cover-up lyrical mistakes like other performers can.  If Axl misses a line, the crowd will know it.

Maybe the type of guy who's a performer and wants to give the fans the best "show" he can?

"And he just walks by and goes, "Hey, bro!"?...? Does that sound like it was coming from someone being a "diva"?? IMO, it sounds like one artist acknowledging the presence of another artist while he was going from point A to point B at the venue.? Now if Earl woulda tackled that guy and cold-cocked him, that woulda been another story!? :hihi:


I'm "just a cult of Axl fan" ...? I didn't/don't know who this guy is either and I didn't read the rest of this Q&A. ?It says in the beginning part that he's the frontman of Audioslave and I know that Audioslave just released a new album ... so maybe that's why they were talking to this guy?

"Grunge Icon"? :nervous:

 :o  Shame on you.  ;)

Axl did get pretty high on his horse, but hey, he was at the top!  : ok:

I think it wasn't bad for Axl taking 100% sure that everything goes well and every single word goes how it should go. It could be a little bit silly but when he was on stage, he was professional so what's the harm? The guy gave many awesome shows with that damn teleprompter..? ;D


what are you talking about, Axl did his job and Izzy didn't do his job in some shows. Axl could sing but Izzy couldn't play..that sounds pretty clear case to me.



I am, so shut up.

 :hihi:   ...Nice article! About the teleprompter, as said before, it was simply a backup - anyone who's seen Axl live knows he doesn't exactly just stand around and read from it ::)

While watching bootleg videos and seeing Axl live in 2002,I can tell you,that most the time,he doesn't even look at those teleprompters.

QUOTE:? The other thing was that you were not allowed to be in a hallway or anywhere where Axl might see you when he was walking between the dressing room and the stage... unless you were Chris Cornell.? END QUOTE

"unless you were Chris Cornell"? ... sounds to me like it was this guy who was high on his horse ? :confused:



I'm with odd1 on this one ...

Was he somebody else back in 1992?? NOT the Audioslave frontman?
Why was he so special to be allowed there if nobody else was??

Chris - they don't know what they're saying!  :P :hihi:

Chris Cornell was the frontman for Soundgarden before Audioslave.

Who said "except for Chris Cornell"?

Thanks Cornell.? :)
_{but I know as much about Soundgarden as I do about Audioslave.? I saw Axl's name in this article so I posted it.}? :-[


I think HE did?? The way I posted it was the way it's written in the mag ... like with all the same punctuation?

It seems like everyone who tours with Axl has something bad to say, gets old. Now he gets bashed for saying hi and the way he dresses. Wow.

Sounds like Slash n the boys made a good decision leaving if thats really wat Axl was like.  A lil over the top ya think?  I think Axl kinda lost it which eventually lead to be a part of GNR's downfall.  I know ppl are gonna hate me for sayin that but i realy dont care.

Yeah, Slash n the boys made a great decision. thanks god.

I think this Chris guy is just telling his experience humorously.

Disco,  Have you ever heard of Ari Up for instance?
what's in a name? Besides, someone like me doesn't learn those names peasy.
Likewise, Not everyone has a photographic memory. I guess Axl's just scrupulous just in case.

It's widely thought/known Axl's ego/eccentricities had run amok by then, the whole era just strikes me as silly now...

Sounds like Chris was looking back in amusement as well..

Axl is a rock god but you have to admit some of his outfits are ridiculous. A Fur Coat with hotpants and high-tops? LOL. 

"Hot pants...look at all those hot pants."  -sorry, whenever I hear hot pants, I think of Chief Clancy Wiggham's quote  from The Simpsons.   :rofl:

That article was great...Axl kicks ass.  :peace:  A real fucking rock star.   8)

I cant believe it that there's people here who have never heard of Soundgarden. HELLO!!! They're one of the biggest bands of the 90's!! Were you asleep that decade? Go buy Louder than Love, Badmotorfinger, and Superunknown. You'll thank me for it!!

I never was into that grunge movement so all this wave ala nirvana, pearl jam, soundgarden, alice in chains etc...never really interested me.

You shouldn't pigeonhole Soundgarden in with those other grunge bands. I know they came from Seattle, and came out around the same time as Nirvana, Pearl Jam, etc., but they had so much more to offer. So dont label them. Listen to it, you'll enjoy it.

Thanks for posting that Gypsy

The teleprompter thing is normal I know Korn uses them and I am sure many other bands do too.

As for the not allowed to be in the hall while Axl was walking from the stage to the fressing room that is understandable too maybe Axl didn't want to get side tracked and lose focus from the show. So maybe he had this rule so he wouldn't stop and start a conversation.and lose sight of the task at hand

Thanks Gypsy.

Axls wierd. What goes on in his head to makes these rules, i dunno. When did this interview take place?

I wish I could have went and seen that tour. I seen GNR when Skid Row was the opener. I bet the Soundgarden/GNR tour was the only time in GNR history that GNR had a little difficulty in blowing the other band off the stage. But as great as Soundgarden was, there is yet to be a band that could blow early 90's GNR off the stage!

Oh! The irony is killing me here. I don't think someone realized this article is the classic seattle frontman slagging off on axl. He was just being nice in telling how lame axl had become by that point.

the outfits he wore around that time was hilarious...but as mentioned before here, he still did a great job on stage!

If anyone has ever watched a GNR show, u would know that it isnt like Axl sits and reads the prompter while singing

it is basically a crutch just in case he goes blank but I have never seen him sit for a whole show and Eyeball the lyrics

I know he did some when they played "Coma" but that song has no structure so its more difficult.

the teleprompter thing is blown way out of proportion.

I never got into Soundgarden

Chris Cornell is kind of like Sebastian Bach to me

amazing world class vocalist but just not enough substance to keep my attention.

although Axls antics and style were taken as over the top, etc thats whats missing in todays rock. Where is the over the top lead singer. Where is that crazy, "out there" lead singer today who makes u either love him or hate him.....its gone. the cool peopel shot it down during the grunge era...and now its completely gone...

whether it rubs you the worng way or not, thats what rock is all about. the glam, the bigness of something. Yet at the same time being raw and unpredictable and having the balls to do whatever the fuk u want. Its completely gone nowadays. ANd its ashame to see great vocalists like cornell mock it.

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I agree.  As others have pointed out also, It's not like Axl ever gave a show standing in front of the teleprompter reading off the lyrics as he sang standing in one place.   ::)


I was thinking along those lines also.  Whatever it takes for him... whatever he needs/needed before performing - yeah, so what?  If YOU were Axl you would probably not want to have an any unnecessary / avoidable opportunities for things to go wrong.  Perhaps in fulfilling a need to become focused before a performance, he wants to avoid, as much as possible, anything that could excited or aggravate him. 

Badmotorfinger is a great album, probably Soundgarden's best. Like others have said, do yourself a favor and listen to it. Definately in my top 5. : ok:

Axl fucked up the lyrics multiple times, I think Patience has the all time record.
He didnt use the damn telemprompters thats for sure.  :peace:

This wasn't really an "interview" ... it's one of those things where fans write in questions and they get the artist to answer them ... like their website now says "Dear Superstar - Send your questions now for George Clinton, and look for the answers in an upcoming issue." ... so I guess however long it takes them to get 25 questions for someone is how long it takes them to put it in the mag?

There's 24 other questions posted for this Chris Cornell guy.? I only posted the GNR/Axl one.?

Would you mention who else toured with GNR ?

thanks again, Gypsy.  : ok:

I really don't think Cornell was bashing Axl. I thought it was pretty funny.

It seems that Mr Cornell has the same humor than Feminem... I don't laugh at all. >:(


Mr Cornell is a joke. :yes:

A joke? Chris Cornell is one of the best singers in modern rock (although his voice isn't quite what it once was). People are getting too worked up over this. He didn't say anything all that bad, really.

Chris Cornell is definitely one of the best singers in rock and Sound Garden one of the best bands.. He didn't say anything bad now, did he?

Did someone on here compare Chris Cornell to Sebastian Bach? Oh lord no! Cornell is the real deal and Soundgarden was incredible. Jesus Christ Pose alone puts them on a pedestal in my opinion. Finck as a guitar player has much more in common with Kim Thayil than he does Slash. In the end, new Gnr may sound more like later Soundgarden than old Gnr! So, you better quit bashing Cornell. Hell, Cornell would sound great fronting Axl's orchestra. Maybe if Axl dies, Geffen can hire Cornell to come in and actually record vocals over those hours and hours of instrumentals. :rofl: :rofl: ps, for the uninitiated, just buy Soundgarden's greatest hits called "A Sides". It is a much better compilation than Gnr's hits.  :-*

I'll vouch for that  : ok:

Madagas, you just made my day.

I stole that saying from you! ;D

There were songs that were continuously hacked. I have heard more than 1 boot where he fucks up the words to patience....

I think with all the cloths changing and running around like a maniac he actually didn't NEED the teleprompters, but would find that sometimes they helped him remember the words.


Also, there were songs with Alt. lyrics (Don't Cry), so while I think the prompters were a little questionable, I can sorta see why they were there.


I remember reading that Slash or Izzy had to write the cord progressions to COMA down on the stage before they played the song live because it was so difficult and hard to remember....

Calling teleprompters an extravagance -  ::)  :hihi: 

They were a precaution to make sure everything went smoothly - that's called thinking consideration for the fans when it comes to putting on a good show.

Axl used them for standing on more often than reading the lyrics but I'm sure there were times when they were invaluable.

It's true also that Izzy and Slash has to write down the chord progressions for Coma on a huge board and put them on the stage to get it right.

As for the article, I can't see anything wrong with it. Crazy outfit.... oh yeah, add crazy performer, crazy singer, crazy guy, all things that contribute to Axl Rose, a huge reason why GNR were great.

As for Axl's reaction to Cornell, it seems a pretty cool down to earth one considering the crazy (there's that word again) rule of seeing no one between dressing room and stage. According to most Axl bashers, that would be the point where Axl goes mental at Cornell and then gets Earl to beat the shit out of him.  :hihi:

@#$%Funker

Wow, Axl had some crazy rules on tour.  I wonder why he didn't want anyone of the hallway when he was walking down, I would love to hear the reason for that.

ya know REALLY now.. who gives a flyin' fig!?

if he was sacrificing live chickens in the back and wore and indian headress on stage with a loincloth - so what!???

he put on kick ass shows with GN'R!  : ok:

No doubt he certainly did but part of Axl's appeal to me is that he is intriguing and I just would love to know the reason why for the empty hallways. 

but ah... if we knew all that stuff he wouldn't be as intriquing anymore  ;)

Yeah, I guess intriguing would turn into crazy but we already know that, that's part of what made him great :D but it definitely would make for some interesting reading :hihi:

Sebastian Bach's voice puts Cornell's to shame.  But besides that he definitely wasn't bashing Axl.  He was just telling a funny story.  I personally found it hilarious. 

So I guess too many people were stopping him in the hallway to chat, that must've been why he was late all the time. ::)   What logical reason could he possibly have for clearing the halls like that? Back in 91-92 when I was 14 years old, I thought Axl was the coolest ever.  Now when I see some old footage, I cringe.  I'll always love the music, but he was so far gone by then.  I didn't notice at the time. 

We don't know who made up the rules if it actually existed.....

I thought that it was pretty common that the security people demand things like a free way from the dressing room to the stage, from a plane to a car or from a car to the hotel. Makes their job easier.




/jarmo

Sure, from fans and maybe backstage workers, media and such but it just seemed by Chris's statement that it even ment band members too, managment,? anybody at all..? I just found that to be interesting if it was that extreme.? Like you said, it may not have even existed or maybe Chris exaggerated a bit. ;)

Media - likely since Axl didn't give that many interviews at the time





I don't really see the comments as something negative. Chris is just desribing what he saw. It's true that there were teleprompters on the stage and Axl used to wear those shorts.....




/jarmo

Actually, I didn't really take it as negative.  I see the teleprompters in the boots that I have.  They were always changing the set list so IMO, that wasn't a bad idea at all.   I love the shorts :love: ;D     Actually it always kind of facinates me when I read stuff like the about hallway in this case, it just tells me more of what went on behind the scenes that I haven't read about before.

I think Axl didn`t want anybody in the hallway, because he wanted to concentrate on the show and he didn`t want to be deflected by something. I don`t think that there was another reason for this or that this was weird.

I agree. Its not really that bad of a thing to do if you consider the circumstances. Axl was in the biggest band on the earth. He wanted to blow the opening band off the fuckin stage every night. His fans always expected to be blown away by his performance. Thats alot of pressure for one man to endure. So if he needed to get in "the zone" before going on stage, there's nothing wrong with that. Having to speak to someone during his walk to the stage would just cloud his thoughts. Axl was so great in July 1991 when I seen him, there must not have been anyone within 100 feet of him on his walk to the stage.

Just for the record, I don't think it's a bad thing that he is wants to be alone.  I do find what goes on backstage with him to be interesting and sorta fascinating because he does have all these rules some may be standard procedure and some of his own accord.  Ofcourse he has to prepare to perform, that is true of most performers but I just thought the hallways was a bit extreme for even band members to be in, that's all.

I dont want to hijack this thread... but guys did you know Chris Cornell appears on the credits of Slash's Snakepit (It's five o'clock somewhere)?     can you tell me why?

   I agree with jameslofton29...it's a situation similar to a great baseball pitcher who has a no-hitter going.  Nobody goes near the guy.  Axl had the world by its "short n' curlies" through '93...nobody wanted to jinx him.

   This was a hilarious interview...this is not Cornell "slagging off" on Axl.  It was simply a man recalling a surreal moment in his life.  Funny shit.  :)     

Some Actors are so focused they dont want to be disturbed because that might kill they're mojo, Miles Davis was the same way before he went on stage. So why persecute Axl for being the same way, the stage was his domain and he wanted to give the best show possible. So fuck Chris Cornell if he doesnt get it.  :peace:

Although, even I must admit that article was pretty funny from the way he described it  :peace:

Did anyone else read the entire interview? I got the Blender mag the other day and I got to read the whole interview. A sad part of the interview is when he says Soundgarden probably wont ever get back together.

I think the reason is that he spends a lot of time getting psyched up before gigs, and he doesn't want to run into something between the wardrobe and the stage that will fuck up his concentration.
now he probably didn't mind running into Cornell cos he was probably a fan of Soundgarden, if he wasn't, they probably wouldn't have taken them on tour in the first place.

I understand that completely, no doubt he puts on a hell of a show.  Probably did the same thing in 2002.

 In the toyko DVD's there are people all over the hallways as they are walking to the stage.  Gets it's a matter of mood his is in or because the camera's were there he allowed it. 

Axl was a big fan of Soundgarden back in the late eighties early nineties. I read an interview one time where they ask Axl what singers he liked and he said something like "Chris Cornell just buries me!" He liked Cornell for sure. : ok:

Are you joking? With the possible exceptions of Coma, Get in the Ring, Estranged, My World and maybe one or two others, ALL of them follow this platform, adding a bridge here or there.

Do any of you guys realize that Axl is just a person?
A normal human being.

He might not realize it. But Chris does.
Chris was just a regular musician who lives on planet earth.
Then he saw Axl, another musician, coming towards him wearing a feather boah, and Axl sneakers and a fur coat and bicycle shorts and one of those super long cigarettes with the holder. How would you react?

I'd think "Man... this guy actually believes himself?"

Always changing their setlists?!
Almost every show on the Use Your Illusion tour was the exact same. Especially in '92.

I never minded teleprompters though. I don't see anything wrong with it. But GNR only had 3 CDs and an EP... But either way... Teleprompters = OK with me.

I haven't seen every show from UYI's tour, I have seen a few and yes their set lists don't change by much but by their own addmission they learn like 30 songs and pick from them.  In the shows I have seen, Coma, RNDTH, Perfect Time just to name a few haven't always been played at every concert.

In regards to the whole similar setlist thing, they really never had that much material to choose from.  Like someone already said, during the UYI tour they'd released 3 albums and an EP.  Its not like they had all that much to choose from.

I really think the whole teleprompter thing was " a just incase Axl got lost in the song or forgot a lyric here and there" not necessarily that he constantly looked at it, granted the setlists didn't change dramatically but in some concerts when he has messed the lyrics up he probably figured, put them all around so I don't do that again.  He is a perfectionist after all and that is not a bad thing sometimes but I could see why he had them.

Yeah, I really don't think he looked at the prompters much at all.  We've all seen plenty of live GN'R footage.  How often is Axl even standing in the same place?  Its not like he's parked in front of the thing all show.  I don't have a problem with the prompters.  I'd rather him have one then completely forget a song, get pissed off, and walk off stage.

Cornell should be thanking Axl for letting SG open for Gnr. SG didnt get  big until after opening for Gnr, that is when they got noticed.

You are mistaken, a lot of gnr songs do not have a chorus.
This is just off the top of my head for gnr songs without a chorus.

Estranged, nov rain, coma, dont damn me, dust n bones, perfect crime, the garden, garden of eden, civil war.

Ain't that the truth :hihi:

Wrong.

They're coming out party was The Gathering Of The Tribes Festival, long before any GNR opening slot.

Most Soundgarden fans consider the few shows they did with GNR a step backward.

I am not wrong, SG sucess didnt take off til they opened for gnr. Besides their few fans, no one knew who they were before opening up for gnr.

They'd already been on the charts with "Jesus Christ Pose"? long before GNR came along and all over MTV directly after The Gathering Of The Tribes Festival.? Hell, MTV did a news special about the festival where SG was featured prominently.

Just because you didn't know who they were doesn't mean others didn't...

 

Look at their albums sales and play on MTV is was very small til after they toured with guns n roses.
The numbers dont lie. You can claim what ever? you want but their albums didnt sell anything til after touring with guns n roses.
Just because? you and a few of their fans knew who they were doesnt mean that everyone else did. yes they had their cult following before opening for Gnr, most bands do, but they didnt mainstream big until they opened for gnr.

Their play on MTV was a by product of the Nirvana explosion, the grunge movement.

Nothing GNR related


See above.


I've seen you post nonsense about GNR being responsible for NIN success, now SG.? I suppose the
Stones exploded due to playing a few shows with GNR... ::)

lmao, axl's a rock star if ever there was one. :smoking:
the last of his kind.

That is funny since in 1991 when the whole "grunge" thing took off? you hardly ever heard the name SG, it was always pearl jam, nirvana, AIC ,but not sound garden.

You can claim what ever you want but the numbers dont lie. Good day since this is a gnr board and not SG board.

As for me claiming gnr made NIN sucessful what are you talking? about. I NEVER said that. I said Axl knew who NIN was before they got huge, and that NIN opened for gnr and got booed off stage but that is it.
So please dont make up stuff.

And leave it to you to once again take a topic off on a tangent and will most likely get it locked.

I believe the topic went astray wth this goofy statement, leaving yourself open for the inevitable debunking.

 The lack of perspective, logic and sense of musical history sleigh me, keep it up. :rofl:

Soundgarden hit the mainstream with 'Rusty Cage', 'Outshined', and 'Jesus Christ Pose'. This was more than a year before they opened for GNR. And the success of 'Badmotorfinger' had nothing to do with Nirvana. The album was a success because its one of the greatest albums of the 90's. So give some fucking credit where its due. Soundgarden was also already established years before 'Badmotorfinger' was released. Instead of insulting Cornell, go listen to some of their albums. Start with 'Louder Than Love'. There is a very intense song on that album, if it were wrote by Axl, it would be considered a "Big Gun". That song is 'Hands All Over'. If we get some rockers on CD even close to the intensity of 'Hands All Over', I will be pleased. You will too.

Agreed, Soundgarden was well established long before GNR.   I do think the whole grunge movement magnified them though, no matter how great they were already.

Tying this back to GNR, there were many who thought their opening slot was a blatant attempt by Axl at jumping on the bandwagon.  He tried that again with Nirvana and we all know where that got him...

Badmotorfinger was released in October 1991, Soundgarden played their first show with GN'R in December 1991.

They weren't exactly huge until 1994 when Superunknown was released. They got some success in 1992 along with the other Seattle bands (not in the same league as Nirvana though).

Soundgarden played with GN'R in North America from December 1991 to January 1992 and then in Europe from May to July 1992.

Does anybody remember the Paris PPV? Soundgarden was shown on tv here. I bet we weren't the only country that got to see a few Soundgarden songs on that program. That's some exposure not all bands get...



/jarmo

Good exposure for sure, undeniable.

But the sole reason for SG emerging as painted by this little gem:

Quote from: dave-gnfnr2k on Today at 10:33:21 AM
"Cornell should be thanking Axl for letting SG open for Gnr. SG didnt get? big until after opening for Gnr, that is when they got noticed."

That's absolutely insane.

Here's a few questions to ponder when discussing SG's rise:

What scene did they emerge from?

What bands are they most closely associated with?

Hint: The 2 answers have nothing to do with the Sunset Strip nor GNR.

I was always a huge Soundgarden fan. I never understood why Nirvana dominated that whole scene. But I never really considered Soundgarden a "grunge" band. Their style was much different than those other bands. I think Soundgarden would have had mainstream success even without the rise of Nirvana. Soundgarden is my 2nd favorite band. Chris Cornell is a genius. Right up there near Axl. Wish I could've seen the GNR/Soundgarden tour. When I seen GNR, Skid Row was the opener. Oh Well. When you see GNR, you dont give a damn who opens for them. You're there to see GNR, and no one else.

Falcon? you can claim what ever you want, SG had a small following before touring with gnr, then got huge exposure after opening for gnr. The album sales dont lie. Just go look them up at the Riaa. They didnt have their first platinum album under AFTER touring with guns n roses, before that they just went gold.

You can deny it all you want but opening for gnr gave SG a huge number of new fans by opening up for them.
I? have?the album sales that back me up, all you have is that you knew who they were before they were big.

The fact is SG got their huge break by opening for gnr, it gave them exposure to a whole new set of fans.

I suppose The Cult is solely responsible for GNR's rise to prominence then, seeing how AFD exploded
directly after Ian and Billy took GNR on tour in '87,? "GNR had a small following before touring with? The Cult then got huge exposure after opening for The Cult."? yadda, yadda yadda..


DISCLAIMER:? I in no way believe The Cult had anything to do with GNR's rise to the fore, the above was merely an example of m Dave's myopic goofiness.?

Just a little off topic question...was Matt Sorum in The Cult at that point?

Just a little off topic question...was Matt Sorum in The Cult at that point?

Nope, Matt was still 2+ years later.

i knew about soundgarden way fucking before they opened for GNR, stop dreaming pets!

soundgarden is boring, nirvana is boring, grunge is boring.
guns n' roses is ROCK. :smoking:

As I said, Coma, Get in the Ring, Estranged, My World and maybe one or two others do not have a chorus (okay maybe four or five others).

As for Garden of Eden -

"Lost in the Garden of Eden
Said we're lost in the Garden of Eden
And there's no one's gonna believe this
But we're lost in the Garden of Eden"

Looks like a chorus to me.

Civil War?

"I don't need your civil war
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store"

Repeat.

Gypsy note:? Sorry for bumping up this thread but this wasn't worth me bothering to start a new thread over.? And again, this is just the "Axl mention" part of the interview.

Gypsy comment:? I don't know what this guy has against Axl but IMO the "personal crisis" comment was out of line.? He could have told this anecdote without it.? And seems to me that, dispite Axl's "personal crisis," his main concern is to put on the best possible show for the fans.

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I reckon most of these anecdotes are told in pretty good humour and I'd venture a guess to say they're recalled with some fondness as well

soundgarden were the greatest rock band of the 90's IMO
gnr couldve been if they hadnt fizzled out

Jimmy, I agree with that statement 100%. I also never understood why Soundgarden was labeled as grunge. They were clearly a metal band, and just because they were from Seattle didnt mean they were grunge. They definitely carried the torch in GNR's absence. I always liked Soundgarden, but when GNR exited the stage, I really started getting into Soundgarden, buying albums I hadn't heard before, like Ultramega OK and Flower. Superunknown was the greatest album of 1994. People here hate to hear this, but the other band that helped alot in keeping metal in the mainstream was STP.

Right on, James.  Soundgarden ruled.  Another band that was supposedly grunge but absolutely metal was Alice In Chains.  They were the bastard sons of Sabbath.  Grunge was always such a stupid term for the scene.  Looking back, most of those bands from Seattle were rock bands, plain and simple.

Yeah, Alice in Chains was definitely metal. In 1991, I seen them on the 'Clash of the Titans' tour. They were with Anthrax,Slayer, and Megadeth.

Chris Cornell, Soundgarden, Motherlovebone, Temple of the dog. Do yourself a favor.

Interesting you should mention Mother Love Bone. When I hear about CD and how it might have alot of ballads, I think of Mother Love Bone. If its as good as that album, we'll be damn lucky.

Jesus Christ get over it
Soundgarden could be the most overrated fucking band Ive ever heard.

Chris Cornell has zero diversity in his lyrics or vocals

to me he sounds the same every single fuckin song

If CD is only as good as Mother Love Bone, Im gonna jump off a fuckin bridge

where do some of u come up with this shit u post anyway?

D, you obviously haven't listened to Soundgarden or Mother Love bone, or you wouldn't say such comments.

Actually, I have to agree with D...maybe not with that much intensity, but yeah D, I'm with you on this one.

-Axl4prez2004

Do us a favor, oh enlightened one, jump off the fuckin bridge already.

Yeah guys, just because it doesn't come from 88 doesn't mean it sucks.  Cornell would be a great vocalist in any era.  You guys are gonna shit when CD has grunge elements. 

Kiss my Axl id jump but then who would support you ,your crackhead mom and your retarded little brother who eats his own shit and walks around goin "yabba yabba yabba"?


Soundgarden are ok I guess but Mother Love Bone?

U would be happy if CD sounded like a MLB cd?

Its not dissing MLB per se

but Ive waited too long for CD and I think more a long the lines of Pink Floyd The Wall, Led Zepplin 4, The white Album u know?

not a fuckin MLB cd

that would be like me saying, If the new Bon Jovi cd is as good as Britny Fox, Ill be thrilled.

Cornell is a good vocalist but compared to Axl Rose *to borrow from Pulp Fiction* isnt in the same ball park, the same league, he isnt even the same fuckin sport.

gotta disagree there (agree in MLB tho)

Cornell from a purely technical standpoint, has it all over Axl. You could argue however, that Axl sings with more personality or feeling, which in some part Id agree with

But I love Cornells voice and he sure has the range, and to reiterate, technically he's a better singer than Axl IMO.

But that's kind of futile, kinda like comparing Bucket to Slash etc...

Of all the dumb, irrational shit that gets spewed on this board daily about W. Axl Rose, I think D just took the alltime grand prize. To say Chris Cornell is not even in the same ballpark, let alone the same sport as axl as a vocalist is the very definition of ignorant.

Axl has 3 or 4 different voices, U cant tell sometimes when it is axl singing or not.

Cornell has that same melody, the same style over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over

he cant wail like axl, and his slow songs arent near well as heartfelt on the low end in my opinion.

He doesnt compare to Axl to me at all

it's becoming clear to me that you obviously haven't listened to alot of SG. For that matter his solo album is very diverse with alot of slower numbers and is a stunning album both vocally but also the songwriting and arrangments.
Cornell can wail with the best of them (Plant and Axl on a good day) and he also has a solid mid range and a lower range that is just as powerful.

Put simply, Cornell is the complete rock vocalist

You make yourself seem like a really smart guy when you post shit like that.

Please save that kind of shit for the Bon Jovi boards.

Same goes for Kiss my Axl's comments. It's fucking pointless.

 


/jarmo

Axl has better range than Cornell. Yes Axl said in the past that Chris burys me (axl), but Axl was just  being humble. Axl has like 8 different voices ,Chris has like two.

Some like Coke some like Pepsi.  They are both great vocalists but to say Cornell doesn't compare to Axl does show a vast degree of ignorance.  Personal opinion is that Layne Staley was better than both....

sorry

U are gonna say something about ignorance and then say that last comment? personal opinion or not Layne Staley? are u serious?

D, Soundgarden has some songs that, if they weren't Soundgarden songs and were in Axl's arsenal of "Big Guns", you would definitely love them. 'Hands All Over', 'Nothing To Say', 'Room a Thousand Years Wide', '4th of July', 'Mailman', 'Head Down',etc. Maybe I was grasping at straws on the MLB comparison. But that is a kick ass album. MLB had alot of potential. If Andrew Wood had not died, Pearl Jam would have never existed.

D, other than GNR, who the fuck do you like?  All you do is bash other bands and people's opinions.  Staley's voice was perfect for the sound of AIC.  He kicked ass when he was younger, before the heroin grabbed hold.  You don't have to have world class pipes to be a good rock singer, look at Dylan, Hendrix, Neil Young, etc. 

I'm with you on that, Staley's voice was flat out haunting.  His harmonies with Jerry Cantrell still give me chills.

It's all a matter of opinion, nobody's right or wrong..

Couldn't have said it better. And yes, Mother love bone had enormous potential.

LIke I said I wasnt tryin to diss MLB but when we are talkin about CD and the mystery and mystique and all that

I just aim a little higher than MLB which isnt even Cornells 2nd best band in my opinion.

I just thought you were aiming a little low with your expectations there.

voices are subjective no point in arguing at all.

I have never been a Soundgarden or AIC fan but I just think Layne Staley is completely overrated

the AIC's songs ive heard just werent anything special to me and as previously stated I just find Cornell boring.

D, I see what you're saying. Its your opinion, and you're entitled to it. But as far as expectations go, what are you really expecting? Something so mind expanding that our brains just explode at the first listen of CD? I think this type of thinking is one of the major problems in this CD saga, and might be one of the reasons it still hasn't been released. Axl should have named CD 'Unrealistic Expectations'. if you were Axl, and people were saying CD is The Wall,Physical Graffiti, Dark Side of the Moon, and UYI all in one, but 10 times better than the albums just mentioned, would YOU release it? People need to come back to planet Earth in terms of their hopes for CD. If people would take this advice, we might actually get an album 'soon'.

I think that if critics put CD on the same par as albums such as:  Soundgarden Badmotorfinger, AIC Dirt, Pearl Jam Vs, Radiohead OKC, NIN Downward Spiral and any of U2's recent stuff then we will have a solid album.  No more, no less. 

I have to agree with this, but only because Cornell wasn't even in MLB ::). Put down the Wonka Bar, D, and step away from the computer.

Its all just a matter of opinion. Relax.

I love Mother Love Bone but if Chinese Democracy sounds like something thats about 17 years old, I will be pissed. I think Cornell has an Amazing voice but most of the stuff that gets released as singles and videos do tend to sound alike. Dig alittle deeper and you will find much better songs than what you hear on the radio, jameslofton already gave some excellent examples.

Chris Cornell rocks and has a sense of humor. Something not enough "band" people have.

I want songs a notch above Madagascar and the Blues

I want those songs to for real be the album tracks and I want there to really be big guns

that will satisfy me.

Cornell wasnt in MLB?

then why the hell are we talkin about them for?

MLB was brought up because I said if CD is as good as the MLB album, we'll be pleased. Since you think Cornell was in MLB, you obviously haven't heard the album. You put them down without even hearing it. D, go check it out. You'll thank me for it.

my not the same ballpark league or sport comment was as an overall frontman

Cornell has pipes, I dont really dig him but he is extremely talented vocally. Now his frontman skills? He comes nowhere close to Axl in my opinion.

Cornell was in Temple of the Dog album, wasnt this a tribute to the singer of mother love bone?

Walapino, Temple of the Dog was a great album. Alot of GNR fans dont like to admit this, but there was several great albums that came from the shitty grunge era. Temple being one of them. I love the songs 'Wooden Jesus' and 'Four Walled World'.

if that's actually your opinion, then you got your head stuck someplace that ain't right.
Chris covers all the areas of singing that Axl does, and more....BUT, Axl has a much cooler voice, more caresmatic(did I write that right?)!

another thing to put into considertation is that Chris was one of Shannon Hoons best friends....maybe that's why Axl liked him!?

Interesting comment.

I find the resentment and in some cases, flat out hatred for all things grunge by some of the GNR faithful interesting. ?

And you're right on JL, lots of great music emerged from that scene...

Falcon, the reason GNR fans hate grunge is because they think grunge killed GNR's career. But that is simply not true. GNR killed GNR's career. While grunge was at its peak, all GNR offered the world was a cover album and a GNR-Elton John performance of a song everyone was sick of. I will never understand why GNR couldn't have come up with something to counteract the grunge movement. Late92/1993 is a major shit stain on GNR's legacy.

definately Falcon, lots of good music from that era!

I agree, that's definitely part of the ill will for sure. ?Some are so myopic they refuse to recognize the
impact that entire era had on music, how it made things that were "in" literally uncool overnight.

A very interesting time in music for sure, I'm glad I was around to witness it first hand.

As for Cornell, his comments about Axl and the Goodyear/Fuji blimp in the Rolling Stone Q and A are flat out hysterical...

What was his comments about Axl and the goodyear blimp? Haven't heard that before.

Something about Axl demanding the Gooyear blimp for a gig at Wembley, Cornell jokingly says the Fuji blimp is in fact bigger and Axl immediately starts on about wanting the Fuji blimp instead..

Funny as hell...

Something else thats strange about that era is how Axl became so fascinated with it. How can you become fascinated with the thing that caused a major backlash on your band? Instead of creating something magical that might have destroyed grunge, he actually considered doing a grunge record. Pathetic. Axl must have been on some major drugs in 92-94, because his decision making in that time frame makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Falcon, that is funny, and pathetic. It shows what an egomaniac Axl had become. Who gives a fuck about a blimp? When you go see GNR, you want to see the band blow you away. You're not thinking about a fucking blimp.

Yep, I actually have both albums and I heard them back in the day too. They are pretty good.
 :peace:

I have one more thing to say about Mother Love Bone. On Headbanger's Ball, Lonn Friend referred to MLB as the next Guns n Roses. About a month later, Andrew Wood died. Really sad. The day he died was a tragic day for the music world, but it goes largely ignored.

Cornell cant go as low as Axl nor can he go as high as axl. so how does cornel have better range? Just look at riyadh from HOB for example, chris CANNOT go that high. Not even close. Axl can go really low like he does in its so easy. Axl has better range and more voices than cornell. Just listen to its so easy, wttj, mr brownstone, dont cry demo, patience and i dont care about you.  They all sound like different people. cornell cannot do that.

Dave, go listen to 'Birth Ritual' or Jesus Christ Pose', and then come back and try to make that statement.

I have heard cornells range and axls is better. And people think Axl sounds bad now, cornell sounds like ass. Just listen to live 8, cornell was worse than Axl was at the VMAs.

As live performers, there are many that blow Axl off the stage.  He was just never consistent in a live setting.

Studio is an entirely different animal, the redhead has few peers in that realm...

Dave, no need to insult Cornell just because you like Axl better. Axl's my favorite singer, but I'm not going to deny Cornell's talents. The songs I just mentioned in previous post are his highs. The low range would be 'Seasons' and 'Like Suicide'. Cornell is probably the only singer who can compete with Axl. As far as your Live 8 comment, I didnt see it, so I dont know how he was. But I do no one thing: Cornell is incapable of 'sounding like ass'.

I am not insulting him. I like Cornell but just in SG, i thought he sucks in audioslave. He would be much better off with Slash and duff than the guys from rage.  And I said axl sounded like shit at the VMAS the night it happened. So I was not insulting him. My point was both Axl and Chris are not what they were back in their primes.

Falcon, that wasn't true back in the old days. In mid 1991, there wasn't a singer dead or alive who could blow Axl off the stage. Thats a fact.

Dave, I agree with that. Both are definitely past their prime. No doubt about that. But at least Cornell continues to make music, even though some of his fans aren't into it like they were with his old stuff. I've always said that GNR and Soundgarden are the two best bands to come out in the past twenty years.

Axl makes music ( over 70 songs) he just has not put them out lol.

That's a matter of opinion, I've heard tons of shows from that era that he was terrible, others where he was really good...

LOL! Dave, are you one of those people who think Axl has 50 to 200 songs locked in that 'secret vault'?

No but 70 is a good guess since they said they have about 30 to pick from for CD, plus all those other songs they trashed that were going to be all techno and stuff.? 70 is probably pushing it. But they have at least 30-40 easily. Just go gather all  the track list titles, then think there is double that since there are a bunch that are not even named in interviews.

Falcon, it is a fact. I witnessed it firsthand in July 1991. Greatest show in history. When Axl is in 'the zone', there isn't anyone better. Why do you think he became such an egomaniac? Because he had blown entire continents away with his performances. I take it that you've only heard bootlegs from those days. A bootleg doesn't give you the full GNR experience. You have to be there to witness it, and feel it. The music was so loud I could literally feel it going through my body, and the band was perfect. A truly mindblowing experience. ?

Dave, I actually think 30 is pushing it. Remember, alot of the song titles we've heard about are mostly fakes. And to the people who believe Axl has 50 to 200 songs, I have two words that blows that out of the water: 'Riyadh','Silkworms'. If he had that many songs to choose from, we would have never heard these two songs. And if he does have 50-200 songs to choose from, and he chose these two worthy out of his vault, CD is in BIG trouble.

Nope, I saw them live in OKC in '92, he was not good at all. ?Saw them in '87 opening for The Cult in Dallas and he was on his game..

Yeah, they went down a little in 92. Maybe you made a good call on that. But in 1991, it was pure magic. Man, I would have loved to have seen that Cult/GNR show. You're a lucky man!

Ya, it was sight to behold.  The Cult have always been my favorite band and GNR was still raw and hungry, much better than they were in the bloated era..

How are they fakes when they come from Axl himself from mag interviews and people that have worked on the album?

People need to do some research before opening their pie holes.

Moby said back in 99 - I believe it was 99 maybe 2000- that Axl had 4 albums worth of material, that was 6 years ago !

70 songs fully structured(not necessarily polished) is a good guess.

Rhyad is awesome, naysayer.  :P

Wooody :D how nice to see a logical person existing!!! "dozens" usually means 20~100, doznay?
Give us hellva silkworms, Riyadh n the Bedouins!

And the singer of the cult was also said to be an asshole. :hihi:

Could be Fuji Blimp was a joke since Axl is a kind of guy who cracks up jokes all the time according to Sean Beaven. Just some ppl don't (want to) get it.

To say grunge should have been killed while admitting it brought so many good things to the scene doesn't hold water. Besides nothing can stop it once it starts. That would be like swimming against the inevitable current of history.

Many say Grunge was to the 90s US music scene what punk was to that of the UK in the '70s. Both movements had no clear musical definition of the genres. Punk was more about the fashion and the attitude of fuck the establishment and the spirit of do-it-yourself.  And grunge was...I donno how to put it.

Both made a clean sweep of people's stereotypes in music. Perhaps not that clean but almost.
Neither of which I witnessed.

Personally I want CD to sound like no other album particular than Chinese Democracy.

If Chinese Democracy is going to do "nevermind" or "Nevermind the bollocks" to the GN'R fandom, I will be as happy as a maniac.

Brian May said Axl had 2 or 3 albums worth of songs like 5 years ago, so that is at least 45 songs, so take that plus the songs gnr have written after brian may heard the songs, its easy that Axl has upwards of 70 songs. I dont know what is so hard to believe about that. No one is saying they are all A list but this new bands plan was to put out 3 albums plus B sides. So how may songs would you think they had when Axl said that??

When Moby talked about CD, he wasn't referring to whole albums. It was just little snippets of songs, and song ideas. When Brian May mentioned CD, it was all instrumentals, no complete songs. Dave, Axl has not mentioned 70 songs. I think you need to go reread those articles.

Or rather you need to go and read them on the main site.

Loder: How much stuff have you got for this new album? You've been working on this for a long time. Is there just tons of material?
Rose: We've been working on, I don't know, 70 songs.
Loder: Oh!
Rose: The record will be about, anywhere from 16 to 18 songs, but we recorded at least two albums' worth of material that is solidly recorded. But we are working on a lot more songs than that at the same time... in that way, what we're doing is exploring so, you know, you get a good idea, you save it, and then maybe you come back to it later, or maybe you get a good idea and you go, "That's really cool, but that's not what we're looking for. Okay, let's try something new." You know, basically taking the advance money for the record and actually spending it on the record.

Axl Rose - A conversation with Kurt Loder
MTV US November 8th 1999

You need to read between the lines. Before he says 70 songs, he says I dont know. The 'two albums solidly recorded' line is obviously an outright lie. Its funny how most of you people take what Axl says as the gospel truth, when he has had nothing to back up any of his statements. The only confirmed songs are those he mentioned to Spin,RS,etc. It doesn't add up to 70.

So because only a few song titles have been confirmed, those are the only material they have ready? How would you know? Working on it for that amount of time, chances are there would be a couple of albums worth of material recorded. Just because it hasn't been released, it doesn't mean it is an outright lie. As you have heard there could be any legal reason etc.

There might be a few more songs than what's been confirmed, but you cant take that 70-200 songs shit at face value. Its just not realistic. There's been too much work stoppage and delays on the project for there to be that many songs.

I think it's very realistic, the album has been worked on for almost a decade. I'm sure the work continues whilst the guys are off doing their solo stuff.

How is that a lie when Brian May said he heard about two or three albums of material? And who said 200 songs? Just use  your brain for a minute. If gnr worked on one song a month since  2000, that gives  you about 70 songs. How you can claim its not possbile? And you know they worked on more than one song a month.

Because all Brian May heard was various instrumentals. Same thing with Moby. That is actually the main reason Moby left the project. No progress was being made. There were no lyrics or vocals to go along with these instrumentals, so he bailed.

No he didnt. What are you talking about. Brian May commented on Axls voice saying it sounded outrageous. May said Axl had two albums done of FINISHED material with vocals. Damn stop making shit up.

Go read some of Moby's interviews from 1999/2000. I dont remember what magazines the interviews were in, but I'm sure you can find them on the net somewhere. I'm not 'making shit up'.You're just one of those people that believes every positive spin put on the situation, and disbelieves anything negative about it. Wake up!

One might say you are looking at every negative of it. Plus Brian May's info was more recent than Moby's was it not? Brian May heard Axl's vocals first hand and commented on the amount of material. The new line up was in much more of an advanced stage than when Moby was playing around with the music.

Moby heard the parts before Brian May. Moby heard it when Finck was in the band without BH and with Josh Freese on drums.

When May heard the songs May said Axl had two albums done with vocals.   Go listen to his interview. Do you claim that May was lying? Use  your common sense.

Plus, in Sanctuary's press release as to the publishing deal "dozens of new tracks Rose has recently recorded for Universal Music" are mentioned.
Dozens=20~100

No one is talking about bloody 200 songs here except one.
Axl did mention 70 songs. Could be less, could be more. Read between lines and make no sense in that case.

And didnt one of the band members say that they had like 25 or so A listed songs that will be pick from for the album?

Yeah, you got a point. I think Moby was working on it in late 97/98. He took a very negative approach to the situation also. But he did say the music was good. I haven't seen this Brian May article about Axl's vocals that you are referring to. I remember reading one of his interviews where he only commented about the music. What I dont like about this CD situation is how alot of you guys only believe the positive stuff. You'll believe the 50-200 songs shit, but you wont believe someone like Moby who said zero progress was being made, and there was no vocals to go along with the various instrumentals. Sure, progress has been made since 98. If there hasn't, then CD is a hoax. Just because progress was made much later on does not mean people should discount what Moby said.

James, God what is up with you? Moby said all that back in 1998. That is why Finck and Freese left the band.  May heard these songs some 2 or 3 years later. How hard is that to understand? People like you want to believe the worse and give Axl no credit. Its really getting old.

How hard is it to understand?? Hey, if you guys read an article where Brian May comments on his vocals, then I believe it. What do you mean by not giving Axl any credit? Its obvious CD had alot of trouble in taking shape, that cant be disputed. Whenever 'new' songs such as 'The Blues' and 'CD' are mentioned here, I always give positive remarks about them and I quickly defend Axl when people say these songs suck compared to old GNR, because that statement just isn't true. From what we've heard, CD has alot of potential. Does Axl think it has potential is the million dollar question. Yes, I give him credit, but only when its due.

the funny thing is 1998. The year i graduated from high school. This is what? year 7 or 8? I'm way out of college and he still hasn't put it out? It's ridiculous. It's in the back of my mind that it will come out, I'm sure it will be brilliant. But it's been forever.

Again, Who mentions that 200 songs crap in this tread??? No one but YOU.

All we are saying is that there would be 70+ materials, dozens of which have been solidly recorded.
(we don't know how many times-dizzy said they had like 2 versions for each songs. I bet Axl is a kind of guy who sticks to it even at the last second eleventh-hour to the deadline.)

It appears that you habitually misread between lines.

200 songs has been mentioned many times in all these forums. I'm not the only person who has mentioned this. Believe me, I wouldn't have brought up something so moronic if it hadn't been mentioned here before. Actually, I've always wondered where that high of a number came from.

I'm grateful for those who have responded thus far regarding Cornell's credibility as a high octave vocalist. He is definitely in the same (or similar) league as Rose, and there were often times when Cornell even had a rasp. I'm going to have to agree with Jarmo, however, about SG's mainstream success not quite reaching its peak until '94. Soundgarden was THE band of 1994, there's no debating that!!!

No one is saying Chris cant sing high, he just cant singer higher than Axl.

absolute rubbish Dave

Sorry if the truth hurts.

Dave, I guess you still haven't listened to those Soundgarden songs I mentioned. You should listen to them instead of having a closed mind.

hey Im as big a fan of Axl as I am of Chris, but to suggest Axl can sing higher is
a)unfounded
and
b) inconsequential as Cornell has more power in his upper range now (today not in the past) than Axl

Listen to Jesus Christ Pose off Badmotorfinger Dave, and give me an example where Axl has sung as high, as strong and for as long

Jimmy, I think that was one of the examples I gave him. Birth Ritual is another pretty good example. Actually, there's many examples. I think he's just one of those 'Axl is God' people and wont open his mind to anything else.

I don't know why Axl must do better everything than other people on Earth. Cornell's voice is much more skilled than Axl's, Cornell is more of a professional singer. In the 80s-90s Cornell had the better vocal range, he could have sung lower and higher than Axl, while he was able to sing the notes between the the extremes. Now Axl can sing sing much much higher than any other male artist in the music industry, but he lost his lows. Anyway, vocal range isn't everything, it's like someone would be a better guitarist because he can play faster. Really interesting, but it's more important what you play and how play it (I mean the right feel). And since IMO Axl's voice is (was?) such a unique voice and he wrote and writes vocal melodies that far superior comparing to anyone who's in the business right now that Cornell is not in the same league.

I agree with this part, but we weren't debating whether either one is a better singer for having a better range. It's whether or not they have a better one in general.

I have heard them, I dont knwo what? you are talking about.
Having a more powerful voice or a higher voice is a different thing. You dont think Axl can singer higher because Cornells voice is thicker but Axl can still go much than Chris.

You think Cornells voice is better now than it was before? Are you crazy, did? you even hear him at live 8? He sounded like ass.

And you keep mention this song JCP axl sings much higher than that on Riyadh and that is Axl singing live or listen to Axl doing that scream on IRS, its much more clean and just as high if not higher.? IMO Cornel sounds like crap on that song. When Cornel tries to go high he sounds bad where as axl can do it more naturaly. When Chris tries going really high it just sounds bad.

This is by no means my opinion, but I think if you took a poll of Axl and Cornell's peers asking who the better singer was, a panel consisting of singers such as Vedder, DeLa Rocha, Manson (Shirley and Marilyn), Astbury, Love, Farrell, Reznor, Grohl, Weiland etc.

A good bet would say Cornell would be the guy named higher on more ballots.? Not a better lyricist, not a better front man, not a better rock star, but a better singer with a more appealing voice.

This is hardly based in fact, I've just seen/heard Cornell mentioned by tons of musicians
over the years as their favorite vocalist...

Again I am not saying that Axls voice is stronger which is what a lot of you are confusing. But Axl can sing higher.? Even Axl said that Cornels voice burys him, like? I said I am not saying Axls for is more powerful, its just higher.? But listening to how high each of them can go, Axl can clearly go higher at least from what I have heard.? ?Axls voice was always thin while Cornels was always more thick.? Just listen to rock n rio III and listen how much higher axls voice is. He was singing all the old songs much higher than he used to.

You think Cornells voice is better now than it was before? Are you crazy, did? you even hear him at live 8? He sounded like ass.



no Dave, that particular point was that present day Cornell can sing higher and stronger than present day Axl

The current Cornells voice is more powerful but he CANNOT singer higher than Axls current voice.

If that is in fact the case (which i happen to think it isn't) it is still not a good thing

Hitting the high notes is all good and well, but if there's no power behind it that is generally not considered good singing

This was not about who is more charasmatic, who has more character, who is the better frontman, lyricist, rockstar or performer in genral - all of these credits go to Axl IMO.
I still contest however, that from a technical standpoint, Cornell has it over Axl

Are we talking about live or in the studio? Because in the studio not many can touch Axl.

shouldn't matter, although it's undeniable that singers generally sound better in the studio especially with todays technology

and youre right, not many can touch Axl in the studio, but I believe Cornell is one of them

yes cornell has range, but does it sound as cool as axls ? no. He has a boring voice if you ask me.

Cornell is not the singer he once was. His voice sounds really strained when he reaches those high notes on the new Audioslave album. Still a good singer though.

In my opinion, both of their voices are disappointing this days. If you want to talk about opinions, I can't stand how clean Axl's is (again?) and I can't stand how desperate Chris' sound. But back in the day, both were equally game.

You people get bent out of shape about the stupidest shit.

Mariah Carey can sing higher than Axl and so can that fag from the Darkness but they both suck.  So what does singing high have to do with anything?

I was wondering the same thing..

I'm all about a good Axl screech but I'll be damned if I want him going falsetto on us..

Exactly!  :hihi: