Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Richard Fortus has told members of www.gunsnrosesonline.de (in person) that he will be flying to Los Angeles after his last Nena gig (07/12) to do some more work on Guns N'Roses forthcoming album, 'Chinese Democracy', which is still unfinished.

A recent hoax on Amazon.com is still continuing to fool many GN'R fans into thinking that the release of Chinese Democracy is imminent. However, Geffen (US), Polydor (UK), Sanctuary and members of GN'R have told Splat that the Amazon information is incorrect and totally baseless.

http://www.sp1at.com/item.php?id=687

For me it's an EXELLENT news! I know it may delay the album but if it's for more Fortus guitar playing on the album, so I say yes.
I hope he will re-record and/or re-write the Buckethead's parts. Richard Fortus is one of the greatest guitarist?in the world.

Axl, you took the right decision  : ok:

Maybe Im mistaken, but if "SOON" really was the word, there wouldnt be anymore guitar work to be recorded still.. ::)

I wonder what the band members think when they get a phone call from Axl saying, "Hey Richard, you know that guitar part you've recorded about a million times already? Yeah, we'll I'm gonna need you to come in and play it a few more times just to make sure that we've got it right." I wonder if any of the guys have said to Axl that enough is enough and it's time to stop the madness.

Hopefully the parts are fairly minor.

It's something that we will hear every five months for the next few years...Or until we give up....It was "almost" done or in "Final touches" back in 2002 ::)

Guitar parts don't take forever to record and include them in a mix.

Could be all parts, could be some parts, could be just a single guitar solo - who knows?

There's still hope for March 2006.

Fortus working on CD is better (for us) than Fortus working with Nena, huh? ?;)

wait, 7/12 european?  so december 7th? 
that's good, i guess but i'd rahter have amazon's thing be true obviously.

the broken record skips again.  ::)

anyways , I dont see this as good news other then the fact that I guess axl hasnt given up on the album , yet. Atleast we know it isnt done and we can stop worrying about hearing a release date date anytime soon.

2005 , the year of GNR!

can we all chant together by the fire, along some voodoo vibes and yell :



FUCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  >:(

You people are delusional. ?There is no hope for March if they are still recording. ?Anyone want to take a $10 bet that we don't see it in 2006? ?

Figures.  Another year, another set of rumors.  time to get ready for the rumors of 06. ::)

Bit of a let down really to be honest.

However, at least we know there is some activity on the GN'R front and lets hope there isn't much left to be done.

 :peace:

I'd be careful with that bet...

I think that these recording sessions must be the "last minute details" like said by Richard a few days ago...

I think they can release the disc sometimes in march/april/may.... maybe the first single in march... then the album... and in june first gig at RIR-Lisbon

hahahaha that made my day, i love u guys. lol

this sounds pretty cool, how credible is this information though?

Is RIR in June??

Rock in Rio will be in late may/early june.

Anyone care to translate? (from www.gunsnrosesonline.de)

Am Samstag, den 3. Dezember, ergab sich die Gelegenheit, Richard nachdem Nena Konzert zu treffen.
Er nahm sich vor dem Hotel kurz Zeit f?r uns um unsere Fotos zu signieren.
Nachem wir gesehen haben, dass Richard einige Sache mit "See you soon" bzw. mit "See you in '06" signiert hat, kamen wir auch auf Chinese Democracy zu sprechen.

Er wird nach der Nena Tour, zur?ck nach Los Angeles fliegen um noch ein paar Aufnahmen f?r das Album zu machen.
Die Arbeiten an dem Album gehen also weiter.
Richard selber machte aber einen sichtlich positiven Eindruck auf uns, was Guns N' Roses betraf - so dass wir davon ausgehen, dass wir doch "bald" das wohl teuerste Album der Welt in der Hand halten werden.

To sum-up: "see you soon" "see you in 06"  ;D

I translated with an on-line software, so there are some errors...

On Saturday, the opportunity resulted 3 December, to meet Richard after Nena concert. It took itself before the hotel time for us around our photos to mark briefly. Nachem we saw that Richard marked some thing with "lake you soon" and/or with "lake you in ' 06", came we also on Chinese Democracy to speak.

To still make it will to the Nena route, back to Los Angeles fly around a few photographs for the album. The work on the album continues thus. Richard made however a obviously positive impression on us, which concerned Guns N ' Roses - so that we assume we will hold "soon" the probably most expensive album of the world in the hand nevertheless.

Hey hey. Artwork!

hmm...

who thinks that Axl heard about Richard talking to fans and answering some questions by email and called him to come to the studio to "record some guitars"????

(Axl: "- Guess what? you?re fired !!! )

Hopefully not :hihi:



Fortus is the kinda guy who will do the majority of TRL and chat show type appearances. He sounds a likeable, chatty guy.

gunsnrosesonline.de is very credible, Marcel is cool, no bullshitter.

Here's a translation:

On Saturday, December 3rd, we had the opportunity to meet Richard after the Nena concert. He took some time to sign pictures for us in front of the hotel. After we saw that he was signing some items with "see you soon" and "see you in 2006", we came to speak about Chinese Democracy.

After the tour with Nena, he will go back to Los Angeles to make some recordings for the album. The work on the album continues. Richard himself seemed very confident about GN'R, so we assume that we will be holding the most expensive album in the world in our hands "soon".

That's not the correct translation of the german word "Aufnahmen", wich can mean 'recordings' AND 'photographs', but in this context means recordings only - not photographs.

thank you very much

well no cd by '06. But this is still SOME fucking news. and it proves that '02 wasn't the last time they worked on the album. Its gonna rock. Also.. this clears up my worrys that the album wouldn't sound "modern" enough.. it will.

I bet it is buckets parts being re-recorded... =(. O well. I guess hes just no longer a member. Right thing to do.

Personally.. I dig Axl's perfectionism. I know were all fucking annoyed with the wait. but its gonna be worth it. A fucking classic.. and we'll be the first people in on it.

Thanks for the translation, conny. : ok:

Cool.. So, Splat can talk to all those people, including band members...
At the same time, they don't give a shit about the big media and didn't deny the amazon stuff in a official statement yet. ::)

well, they never made any official statements since the BH departure  ::)

however, it's proven that they are in contact with Merck (Merck's assistant confirmed it answering the mail of a friend of mine), and they are also in contact with Fortus, Mantia and Reed.

*cough*..Buckethead.. :hihi:

that one cracked me up!  :rofl:

Yeah his playing on Bye Bye Bye and Tearin up my heart is some of the greatest licks since Jimi Hendrix.

Fuck John Frusiciante and his masterpieces, have u heard the amazing stuff Fortus has recorded!!!!

You can take this news in a few ways, I guess

1) It's good---because at least we know the band is doing something together

2) It's bad---because it appears Amazon was supplied with bad info

3) It's good--because while CD is still in production, GH2 has also been shelved, meaning that Axl and Geffen might have come to an understanding about releasing CD in 2006.

Me? I'm probably closer to # 2 and 3. Because it means the band will probably be together in some capacity for a little while, and nobody will be going anywhere---and that GH2 was killed when it was clearly coming probably means some deal has been struck. time will tell as always. also---i hope (probably in vain) that people dont start the shit storm against sp1at, Merck, Axl, etc....if the Amazon thing was/is inaacurate-then that's on the retailer, not them.

Honestly, if this thing is still being recorded then don't expect to see it in the shops for at least another 8 months.

You and all the others who say that this will delay the album are flat out wrong!  First of all, there is not delaying an album that has no release date.  And secondly, he said that he was going back to do "some" recording.  Richard could be done with this in as little as a month.  I'm not saying this is the case, but there's no need to think that the album won't be out until late o6' or 07' just because Richard is doing some recording.  Shit, for all we know, the recording could be done in a week. 

I don't get this.

Ross Halfin mentioned in his diary that Merck told him that the album is done.

I understand that Marcel wouldn't lie, but it just seems a bit scary to me...

What if the album is done and they wanna keep it a secret so it won't leak? What if he's going back for promo work (photography, press and all that shit?)....

Im glad Richard waited to the end of 05 to do some recording.

Maybe Merck read Halfin's diary, that could have had an influence on what kind of info he shared with this guy...


That's just what I think - they are spreading confusion or at least not trying to clear things up because it helps to avoid leaks.


I think this is more likely than recording yet a guitar part.

you know what? This sounds like a something official, just listen to the tone of the letter, it's like it's comming from the camp, so thought thru.

Like the obvious hope spreaders like "see you soon" or " see you in 2006" and just the fact that they name gn'r and the album title, Chinese Democracy, and say that it is the most expensive album in the world etc.

It's like richard was given a green light for revealing the facts that the album isn't done, but that they are still working on it, and that they hope for a 06 release wich would be soon in our eys...

he he i'm so fucking drunk now... :no: ;D


THE CONSPIRACY CONTINUES ?:hihi:

  I am sure recording an album is a very time-consuming ordeal, and it's probably even worse when working with a perfectionist.  Also, Richard's been on tour for awhile with Nena right?  Listen, not only does this news of new recording make me happy about the 2006 release time-frame...it also makes me realize how close to Richard's heart this album must be.  This dude's got a beautiful wife, and a beautiful new-born baby.  Judging by Richard's openness with the fans and really cool, down-to-earth replies, I think this guy would be a great dad.  Great dads only miss out on time with their kids if the alternative is worthwhile. 

  This news fucking rocks!   :beer: 

Did anyone ask Richard if this is true yet?

this doesnt mean he is recording for CD?  it could be any of the other 80? songs right?

Jesus, same old bullshit.

Re-recording Buckethead's parts is NOT good news; In fact it is tragic. If true, my excitement for this project has dropped another notch down.

I can't believe they are going to do more recording. Unbelievable. So what? another six months of sitting on their asses. I guess Johan was right.

I have only one question...who attends a Nena concert. Is this the chick with 99 red ballons?
SO, I guess this is AXL's ACTION PLAN.
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1. Write the music
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 2. Tinker with Music
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 3. Record music
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 4. Mix the music
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 5. Bring in people to listen
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 6. Scrap and start over
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 7. Repeat 3 or 4 times
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 8. Get inspired to write lyrics
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 9. write some lyrics
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 10. match lyrics with music
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 11. tweak tweak tweak
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 12. get inspired to record lyrics
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 13. get advice on recording
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?14. record
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 15. mix
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?16. fire a producer
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?17. ?think about starting over
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?18. File a lawsuit
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?19. Blame however the lawsuit is against for delays
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?20. Repeat 1-15
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?21. Start a tour
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 22. Lose a member
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 23. Find replacement
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 24. approve Dizzy's tour schedule
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 25. Learn guitar
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 26. guitar tryouts
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 27. Recor music with Axl as guitar
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 28. Add lyrics
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 29. Record/Mix
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 30. REPEAT :o
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Where did I mention anything about the album being "delayed"...?  :confused:

My opinion is: if the record is still being recorded then don't expect a release to happen within the next 6-8 months.

at least axl hasn't gave up on releasing the album if he's still working on it, i guess thats the one bright spot i take out of this, cause up until now i honestly believed that he was just gonna shelf the album and walk away, and he still might, either or i've stopped holding my breath


rock n' roll

  I guess it's possible that this is a cover, but unfortunately, given the track record of the last 5 years (I only count since 2000 when the line-up was slightly stable and CD was actually named)  what do you think is more likely? That there is some master plan they're keeping under wraps or that Axl is still unsatisfied?

I am not sure he has a real intention of putting this material out in the light of the public. As someone mentioned above, the process of touching up this album is a Manhatten Project in its own right. It is a perpetual process.

Positive Pete would say, this is a decoy planted by Merck and Axl...the album is on the way.

CD starts now?

Lj

i really want to believe that but, you know, you see the sun rise everyday and reality takes its grip on you.

I'm sorry, but I shot Positive Pete this morning-he's buried next to Chris Pittman's dignity.

My apologies if this has already been mentioned, but why is it so impossible that the recording could be for tracks to be included as b-sides on upcoming singles or perhaps the NEXT album. Why not keep recording with one album in the can?

Don't freak out yet. We don't know shit.  : ok:

If they are re-recording Buckethead's parts that is just ridiculous.  I mean, hasn't he been out of the band for a year and a half to two years now?

And what about just record guitar for one song? Only one track! Something Axl might just finished the lyrics because it would be a single for some movie (Da Vinci?) and wanted Richard back to do some licks and riffs to fit with the vocals?

Axl said three albums, if I'm corrrrrrect Tommy's finished and Brain was finished with there tracks. Also maybe Axl was waiting for Bucket, or some finishing touches with guitar and vocals. All this could be finished by March 06. Hell, anything could be happening   

well said Voodoochild

Just release the album its been good nuff for years now, so said by the people that heard it between 2000-2002

its pretty good news i think. Especially the part that says richard signed some things saying "see you in 06". H emust have heard some positive things from Axl if hes gonna write that and say it with confidence.

Going back to do some parts can mean a million things. Hopefully it means just tinkering with some stuff. Hopefully it doesnt mean some of Buckets parts will be erased. For the idiots that dont want Buckets stuff on the album...I ask you what if some of the stuff he added rasises the quality of the song or album? WOuld you still keep it off?


---
actually this piece of news has gotten me excited about the release of CD...the build up, the frustrations, the excitement, the hard work {by the band}...all i can say is...what a day it will be

Is it at all coicidental that we get ZERO FUCKING NEWS ABOUT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ALBUM FOR YEARS:


All of a sudden Chinese Democracy shows up on Amazon.com and POW POW POW out of the blue all of a sudden Richard Fortus is goin to LA to record for Chinese Democracy.
 So either this is to throw us off track or its true.

This is why I am starting to not like the New members of GNR.

Until Chinese Democracy is finished I dont want a Tommy Stinson album and tour, i dont want Dizzy Reed touring with a cover band and I dont want Nsync Fortus touring with people like Nena or whoever.

Get the fuck in the studio and dont come out till this fuckin Album is finished.

I dont give a fuck and dont want to hear anything about any new member of GNR unless it  has something to do with Guns N Roses and the Album.

im surprised you feel like this...especially since youve been around for so long...

how can you blame the members of the band when the problem is not them its Axl...how many times do you have to hear them tell you that their work is done...has been done? The ball is in Axls court. If Axl is tinkering all the time and wants them back for more recording there gonna go back and do it. Not their fault....

MORE recording?!?  How much fucking recording has to be done here?  For God's sakes.......

You know, record, re-record, mix, re-mix, hire, fire, record again, re-record again, re-mix again, band members leave, start over, re-re-record, re-re-remix, re-re-re-record, re-re-re-mix.  Come on.......

CD is a bunch of bullshit. 

::)
Yeah, they should be doing nothing, since most of their parts are already recorded. Maybe help Pittman with the fries, huh?

 :hihi: :hihi:

That has a nice beat.

I'm hopeful that CD is nearly finished. And a summer release for next year would be the most logical time.

Thanks!   Didn't know I had it in me!    :hihi:

I dont know what to make of this

What I do know, is that GN'R fans deserve better and there should have been some update (official) given over the last 18 months. Mercks "the year of GN'R" bullshit and vague, oblique tidbits don't cut it to a fanbase treated like shit for too long.

It's a bloody disgrace

"Fortus will be back in the studio for GnR this month"  Laughing out FUCKING LOUD!  Gee, what about all the CD is coming in November (this past november) or all the "I know CD will be out in December (this year) post..........Or my favorite "GH2 IS CD".................Yea not so much if they are still re-recording shit.................And now the "it can still come out in Feb/March" post are coming..........I swear I don't even need to check this website but every 3 months, because it is ALWAYS the SAME cycle.  "CD will be out early next year".....then nothing, so we get "CD will be out in Nov or Dec this year" and guess what...........THEY ARE STILL RECORDING OR RE-CORDING THE FUCKING THING. 

When I said "all the others", that's who I was talking about.  There have been multiple times on this board where people have said that doing more recording=delaying the album.  Now you on the other hand said "don't expect to see the album for another 8 months".  I think your wrong.  Do I think we will see the record before 8 months?   I have no idea, but just because someone is doing some recording does not mean that it will take another 8 months.  Maybe it's only a few songs, and that doesn't take 8 months.   

younggunner.... the day has come.  Pigs have flown, hell has frozen over, and Xozi is no longer insane.... I actually agree with you on something GNR related. 

I think its great that they are keeping busy.  Imagine if you sat around bored all day.  It would drive them crazy and they would be more likely to quit to do their own thing.  Its a good move on Axl's part to 'allow' them to go out and do other things. 

You guys are probably gonna jump all over me because I havn't posted here before. ?I have been reading this bored since they went on tour in 02. ?I have been a long time fan of GnR. ?I have personally always been under the impression that the only way we were gonna see this cd was when axl finally croaked and the record company released the sessions because axl finally was out of the picture.

However, recently everything has been feeling different to me. ?I remember the years of "Oh it will be out early next year"..... and etc....

I just find all of the crap that is going on now strange. ?I remember the first greatest hits. ?I remember how they came down on the powers that be really quick and loud to try and keep it from being released.

When I heard about the greatest hits 2, i really thought it was just the company trying to piss axl off again because they still had no new product. ?I wasn't buying in to all of this coverup for CD bullshit. ?Then a few weeks went by, and we heard nothing. ?And we still have heard nothing other than, it doesnt exist.

Now everything has turned up even more. ?Chinese Democracy has shown up on amazon. ?Now you can call me crazy. ?But as hard as they came down to try and keep the first greatest hits from being released, don't you think they would be shitting a brick if "amazon is just playing games"? ?I don't think they would be this quiet about something like that happening if it wasn't supposed to and were indeed "totally baseless." ?Or, if they ?could be taking care of this quietly, but I think that both of those would have been ripped off of the site by now at least if they weren't supposed to be there.

And also, if you remember the replies from management about the first greatest hits, they were very strong and had a serious tone. ?Everything that has come out has been cryptic and kind of playful in a way.

I think that this whole thing with Fortus is just a continuation of everything that is goin on. ?I agree with the person who pointed out the fact that this news report almost sounded like a press release form the GnR camp. ?Every other time a new agency or interviewer has asked about the album, we usually wouldnt get even that amount of information.

Now I am not saying that something is going to be happening before the end of the year. ?But everything that is going on now has a completely different tone than we are used to dealing with. ?I for one would really just like to know what in the hell is going on.

And that is my 2 cents.

I'm confused I thought everybody here thought http://www.sp1at.com was full of shit. Now you are going by what they report?

I see all you guys are reacting negitivly.. but.. I think you should stop and relax a LITTLE bit. I understand we all want the album.. but im convinced this is good news. I want the best motherfucking album ever.. who cares if it takes LONGER.

I know your sick of hearing it (im looking at you james!  :hihi:).. but I feel its actually approprate this time.. as Axl said.. just live your lifes.. and it will come out.

Worst it is.. is a long recording process... (doubt it).. best it could be is just pictures and promo for the album.. (doubt it).. so im guessing its somewhere in between.

      -jack

EDIT: slcpunk has a point even though I buy this "rumor".. this hasnt been 100% confirmed right? Lets not jump at it...

Look, I'm just happy to hear that there is activity, I was starting to worry as we hadn't heard anything for some time. I'm happy that there appears to be work happening and that the band, or at least a member has been called back in, hopefully to get this album finalised.

I believe things are happening.

Richard is going back to LA, and I'm pretty sure if you check with every member, they'll all be getting back to LA for GNR.

Which means we have some movement in the camp.

There are people in the GNR community who know more, I can guarantee you that, and I'm not talking about Jarmo, or that they know when Chinese Democracy will be released.

And I'm definitely not talking about splat or the people who email Merck every 5 seconds about every little rumour and get a reply like "No", "Yes", "That is rubbish."... These people are just lucky enough to have found his email address.

But from what I've been hearing these past few weeks plus the whole GH2 thing and the amazon listing, things have started to move again, and I believe that this time it's for real.

That's why I doubt Richard will be recording new parts on CD.

However, we might still be a little far from the release. Maybe it will be March and we'll just have a single released soon...

Don't forget the street teams, Mysteron said they'll start again when things will move. So, soon enough we'll know.

Now I know some of you don't believe Mysteron, but everything he says, he proves it to Jarmo (where he needs to prove it), and he's always ahead of things....

I mean, after all we've been waiting all these years, what's a little more patience...?

Just saw this, a little late.

First, let me tell you this: There is absolutely no reason to not believe what Marcel (webmaster of gunsnrosesonline.de) says, he's as credible as one can be.

Second, this news is a huge letdown for me. I won't get my hopes up, really. Richard and the others have been saying things like that for so many years now, about doing the famous "final touches" while being confident about a release "very soon".

Nope, I was excited about that Amazon thing, however I somehow waited for a comment like that.
I guess we'll be in the same stage next year again, full of hope (if there's still hope left) and freaking out when someone says the little s-word or something about final touches.

nah, been on this train before & way too often.


/lastroots

As others have mentioned, activity is always good.  Its bad when you hear some one say 'oh yeah its coming soon'.  But for them to actually be going into a studio to do some work, hey it means that something is being worked on. 


I just have to say that these people need to be stopped.  They think they are helping things out by contacting the higher ups and asking about ridiculous rumors and asking the oh so creative "when is Chinese Democracy going to be released?" questions over and over again.  It is as if they believe that one day THE answer will be revealed to THEM first.  GIVE IT UP YOU PYSCHOS. 

I havent got time to read through all these pages of this thread, but has anyone thought that Richard maybe going back into the studio to do parts for the next Guns album and not Chinese Democracy? None of know quite how much has been happening behind the secnes since 02 so whos to say that its not that they are well on the way to finishing the 2nd album? Just a thought! Mike

I reckon hes going back for promo stuff, Sounds like the rusty wheels have been given a drop of oil, Things are happening and thats all i care about. : ok:

I'm afraid you are right.

For those who think that there is a conspiracy and Richard goes to LA to pose for some photos: don't you think that it's moree likely that Axl has changed his mind again? There is a slight chance that Axl re-recruited Richard to finish at least one song that will appear on a soundtrack. But they released OMG for a movie and it bombed, so releasing 1 song ain't mean shit.

Some people can learn with their own mistakes. OMG was rushed, if what Axl said is true, and the album was far from being done. This time, is a bit different. The band is more solid (I mean, with the same members for a while), there are plenty of recorded stuff, they already showed how the new guys can play the old songs, the fans already know some of the new songs...

This time, he knows it's a matter of showing the new album or nothing.

This album will never get released. I wouldn't give into anything accept official words out of Axl, Management, or the Labels mouth. This shit has been going on for years beyond years. I lost all hope and don't really care anymore. When the day comes or official word then I will get excited again.

When there is an official word it will make headline news be the biggest news in music. It will be big just because of all the bs around it rumous timelime etc.

When Axl says he we go then it will start get over it already!

LOL. You didn't lost all hope. :hihi:
BTW, it WILL come out. Do you really think everybody in the band would still be there now if it will never get released?

Hopefully he'll be able to nail everything in one take and bring forward the release date :rofl:

It's not coming from sp1at, they just picked it up, as usual.

The source is gunsnrosesonline.de, and as lastroots and I pointed out earlier, the webmaster Marcel is absolutely legit and not a bullshitter.

The recording Fortus could be for anything no? Maybe it's for B-Sides to the first single or TAB books Axl signed over to Sanctuary?

Fortus talked recently about some "last minute details" to be added to the album

Before you get your panties in a twist, this doesn't necessarily mean the album is far from complete or anything.. whilst mixing or mastering or whatever the fuck they do, Axl may have written another song he wanted to record, or wanted to redo a small part, or maybe have Richard on some lead which Bucket had.. we just don't know so it's not worth assuming anything. I am just happy the ball is definately rolling, that's enough for me after a while of concern that it had stopped.

Its going to happen very very soon guys and gals! Be ready for it cos its gonna be a wild ride I reckon, even better than the one we have all been on whilst waiting for this mother fucker to hit the shops!! Mike

This is so funny you just have to laugh.....the funniest part are you idiots who see this as good news and as some form of positive comment. This lunatic has been trying to record a Gnr rercord since 1994! Musicians coming and going is immaterial at this point. The goal has been the same since 1994-release a Gnr cd. Take it from point A to point B. The only constant has been the alleged leader-Captain A as his lackies call him. This is truly one of the most fucked up situations EVER in rock history. There is a time to be positive and a time to simply look at reality. Something from these sessions will eventually surface. When? Who the fuck knows. Pure comedy. One thing Axl has accomplished-he has truly taken the recording of an album to a whole "new level." He lived up to his last press release. : ok:

So you signed up and made a single post to tell us that you don't care? Yeah sure, I bet you check the news each day.

There's a frustration thread for this stuff anyway, same goes for those posters calling people idiots just because we like to get excited and think positive. Sure we may be dreamers, but quit the idiot remarks.

be careful with that question   :nervous:

the ball will start to roll sooner than you think  8)

before the Football World Cup? ;D

 :rofl:

Unfortunately, the way things have one for the last 12 years, I think we will CD but it'll be the record company forcing Axl's hand rather than Axl being happy with it. Or God forbid he dies... they'll hav it on the shelves before the poor bloke hits the floor...

I can smell it.

Back the fuck up! Dont call me an idiot or anyone else who is positive about the band and the album! I am positive thats all it ent really a crime! I see collectively everything that has been happening in the past two months as positive!

I can smell it as well.....smells like ......BULLSHIT. ;D

I want Buckethead to remain on CD. No Buckethead, then no CD. I can settle for Slash. No Buckethead on CD and i will download CD rather than buy it  : ok:

Ohh! Yeah! Finaly i got my internet connection back :D

Like some of you have said before! Im not so sure about Fortus doing recordings when he is going back to LA and GUNS in a couple of days!
If Fortus wasnt alowed to say what he is doing back with GUNS. If its to important to keep it seacret ;) The he may could have used the recording
as a cover up!
 Lets say that GNR was going to take some promopictures and start the planning for the promotion for the album, do you really think Fortus would have
said that to a fan? Never!! It would make to much attention to what the hell is going on! You can se the attention when he only used the word "back to Guns N Roses"... ! So im sure there is going on something in the GNR camp, and i dont think its recordings!!  : ok:

Still more needs doing....?

Art is long and life is short! : ok:


pooh? :no: I know it's cold, but You better air your room.

I can smell roses. Sweet. :yes:

well i`m one of those idiots who sees this as good news.... the best news in a long time (a year and a half)......idiot.......

first. this is a very strange situation. i don`t mean the whole situation since 1994, but what`s going on for like 3 months now. there are neither denials nor approvals on ANYTHING. (davinci code, GH2,etc...) the only tidbits of statements we got are some vague comments mystereon got from merck...

i think the amazon thing is one of the most strange things that happened... and it could very well be be a sign....

the only thing that i wondered about, during the whole GH2-->cover up theory is that noone seemed to care about slash`s comments. i mean he said that there was a tracklist made by axl`s management so there was definitely some truth to it... ? ?if slash wouldn`t have said this i`d have thought it was a strategy of geffen to force CD ....once again. or really CD...

i don`t remember if the source of his comment was in fact reliable, but i think it was true...

and richard...... ?i think this is really positive. the new bandmembers didn`t talk to(or just see??) axl for more than a year now according to brain for example. and they didn`t work on CD or rehearsed for more than a year now. don`t ya think this is positive?

perhaps madagas is right and they`re just recording something and the past years will be repeated. but i honestly don`t think so. i think it`s possible that richard has to be back in the gnr camp for promo and stuff. by the way i don`t think it was that negative if he?d record some guitar parts, since this wouldn`t take that long... ? i guess we`ll see... ?

i wonder if the other guys have to check back in the camp, too? ? are their any tour dates or comments yet?

as axl said live your life and when/if it comes out you`ll be happy.... ?it`s not easy, but it`s the only right thing we all could do :beer:

probably the band is preparing for rehearsals? ? ?i think there is a strong possibility that we`ll see axl at rio next year ( if not it`d really suck by the way)


 :peace: /WARose

Can people actually read this or not...?

He's going back to WORK ON "Chinese Democracy". Not for rehearsal. Not for promo. For WORK.

Even if this is the last things to be recorded for the album, we are still months from a possible release.

I suggest you stop with the insults, cause if you don't you will be banned.

People are free to believe what they want. No need to put tags on them.

I think that they must record the "last minute details" mentioned by Richard a few days ago.

Nothing too long, I presume.

chinese democracy 4.0 starts now...  :hihi:

No, but the recordings will need to be edited & mastered etc etc...

And you know how long that takes in the world of GNR.

I just hope the album art and stuff is ready to go because Axl could happily spend two years "working" on that too...

This is too vague for people to speculate on that it will takes months and months, or just a few weeks.
Maybe Axl has two new songs he wants to add to the CD, and needs Richard to come in and lay down some tracks? Maybe after Axl finished all his vocals they needed just a few guitar overdubs or touch ups? Maybe it is getting Richard's final input on the mix and sequence (if Axl cares)?
Maybe they need to redo half the CD? Who knows, but it's silly to give a timetable.
Let's just wait until we hear something more substantial.

I am thinking that maybe Axl is finally done with lyrics and has decided that some of the music isn't quite right for his vocals? so Robin and Tommy and Richard have prolly been called in to tinker a bit with the music. At least that's what i'm hoping is happening. That seems like minor recording to me (Which were the words richards used no?) (What is Tommy doing these days? is he still on tour?)

Barring that, Axl has finally decided to lose Bucketheads parts, which could be bad or could be good, If all Bucket did was solo's then it might not be a big deal to lay some new solo's down, if all new music has to be done for a few tracks, We are looking at at least 6 months of intensive studio work. I'm thinking all buckethead contributed though were solos (Robin = song writer, Bucket = solo guy), although i am just guessing on that front.

If they really are committed to getting this out I don't think 1st quarter 2006 is out of the question. : ok:

EDIT: dammit lesty you took my post :beer:

It was maybe right from 1999 to 2001, before Richard arrived in the band in 2002. Richard told me (by e-mail - I chose not to post them) that he re-recorded Paul Tobias's parts and wrote himself other guitar parts and solos for the album. he added his own parts. The record right now is definitely different from what it was in 2001 before Richard's arrival (2002) and Buckethead's departure (2004). and tomorow (7th december) it will probably be different from what it is today (6th december) due to richard's new recording in L.A.

I think the Finck/Buckethead guitar duet is over. We are not in 2001 anymore. Buckethead left the band and Fortus arrived. Now we have to think about a Finck/Fortus guitar duet, both on the album and on tour. It seems more updated to me. The record has evolved with time and bandmembers who came and gone. Think about it. That's the way I analyse the situation.

Do you get it?

It really is an amazing situation.

Cool I didn't realize that Tobias' part were redone by richard, I thought he was basically a Live Musician for GnR. hmmm, I wonder if Paul and Axl had a falling out? weird.

I have no doubts that the music sounds different now than it did in 2002.

As for Bucket/Finck that is the only known guitar duo I was aware of for the current version of GnR as i didn't know Richard wrote stuff for  the song's we;ve all heard. I was basically saying that Robin was there and wrote stuff with Axl and Bucket was brought in to lay down some killer solos. And as far as we've been told, Bucketheads stuff is still on CD. If they are just now scrapping all bucketheads parts then, depending on the amount of 'song writing' Bucket was involved with, it could be a while in the studio for Richard, Robin and Tommy. then if Axl has to revise his lyrics again then we are back where we have been countless times before. (and, IMO, that would not be a good thing) :no:

Do you get where I'm coming from?

LOL, this news was the perfect laugh out loud moment I needed today.

I thought everyone was soooooo confident that this thing was done and Axl was just waiting for the perfect moment? This is crazy. Oh well, here's hoping this is the really-actual-I'm-serious-this-time-I-know-I-have-been-full-of-shit-the-last-25-times-I-said-it-was-in-the-finishing-touches-stage-but-this-is-it-I-swear final stages and we'll see this monster on the shelves soon.

I can tell you with 110% confidence that Buckethead did more then solo on the material he wrote for axl's guns n roses .... if they were just now deciding to take all his work out we would be in trouble.

I figure Buckets stuff has been gone for quite some time or some agreement was made between both parties as to how royalties would go if they keep his stuff. Realize this this , buckethead created the main melodies , motif's , riffs and chord structures for many of the new songs and you can just tell someone else to go "re-record" it and that makes it all better. That work still belongs to the author , no matter who's copying it.

Also , alot of these songs sit in a pro tools enviroment where with a click of a mouse one riff played by bucket can be lifted and a riff by robin or richard or tobias or gary sunshine or dave navvaro or brian may or fucking axl is there insantly .. to my knowledge almost every song they've recorded has "alternate"versions sitting there in pro tools.

If Fortus is going back to record then fine , it probably means axl thinks he is a very important member and their for the long haul , but lets not assume he is going back to "re-record" buckets parts .. hell he could be redoing something robin stinck recorded. Or he could be going in cause axl had a fresh new idea for something.

It could be anything really , moreover .. he might not even be doing this for democracy , this could be for another album , single , b-side , radio promo etc etc .. it could be for a fucking xmas song axl wants done for beta for the holiday season.

:rofl:

SOme peopel here just dont want Bucket. But your post hit it on the head...it could mean anything...and hopefully it doesnt mean re recording all of Buckets parts....not because it will delay the delays but because Im sure his work elevated the material.

I leave you with a parting shot from Tommy's boy Paul Westerberg. This kind of sums up my feelings towards Axl and his never ending project...

There's a world in between
Being everything
To everyone
And being nothing
To no one

There's a world in between
Giving life to a dream
Giving hope
Giving love
Giving some
And giving nothing
To no one

A world of extreme reflection
Hear his scream for affection

There's a world in between
Being everything to everyone
And being nothing
To no one
I am a button to sew on

Axl needs to realize that there is life in the middle. He doesn't have to be everything to every one. Release the record and move on. Ultimately, he doesn't control how it is received by critics or if it will sell. That is up to the Rock Gods to determine. Let the chips fall where they may, but you have to play your hand. 8)

ps sorry for the idiot remark, that was a bit extreme. See you guys when there is an official announcement. ;D

yeah... WORK dude.....   work could mean a lot of things....   i don?t think he`ll re-record bucket`s parts....  there was plenty of time to do that after bucket`s departure

Here's what we know irregardless of the 'Amazon Incident':

1)GH2 has been shelved-the threat was real folks, an archiver was on notice to start compiling the thing, and now it's nowhere to be seen. Why would Uni cancel drop the whole thing, especially if (based on Halfin's diary and Slash's comments) Axl had a part in it? What changed that convinced Uni not to go thru with it?

2) Richard says in all his correspendence and to fans 'see you in 06...if he's going back to LA and not his home in  NYC, he will be in contact with Axl-which means the band is still together and doing something.

What I think will be the real benchmarks are Tommy's schedule and Rock in Rio. If Tommy starts booking things into the Spring, then I'd assume that everything's the same-meaning nothing's happening, because he's the guy would be leading rehearsals for any possible tour. If RIR is announced and guns isn't part of it, that's also a bad sign. But in both cases, you're not apt to get an answer till after the holiday season---I've been through this before just like everyone else-but for some reason, this time things feel weirder to me than any time since 2002...I think something is up, now, nothing might happen (it most probably won't), but I can't shake the feeling....

1) If GH2 being shelved-the threat had been real, why the hell the management would have made their version of "the best of"(based on the Slash comments Halfin wrote )?

2) Are you sure that Uni dropped the whole "the best of" business?

Good post. I agree that if Bucket's parts are re recorded, this project will be in limbo longer than any of us could imagine. We don't know if Stincky has been in the studio since Big B left redoing his parts; it's possible Fortus was called in to finish it off. Who the hell could ever know? But I find it very unnerving that the wait continues while more recording is scheduled.  Fortus recently said that the album was almost done; this latest bit confirms that there is still recording for Chinese Democracy needed. You would think that the three years since the last tour was enough time to 'finish' it off, but I guess finishing touches need half a decade of time to air dry lest they crack up the light of Axl's judgment.

Where is Ron Thal when you need him?

This is the one place where the  band misses slash, izzy and duff, they could always talk axl into believing his work was great but he doesnt have anyone to reassure him that the work is good enough I guess.

Okay, I asked Sp1at (no groans, please!) what the status of GH was:

"GH2 is not 'on' at the moment

The most advanced stage it got to was TBD"

  I guess the not on at the moment  could be taken that Universal still is considering it, but then it is not on any release shchedule I know of--and on conjecture my guess is that between the time Uni put out the threat of a GH and now, perhaps there was jockeying going on as to what Axl could do to satisfy them-his own GH maybe being one option. But I don't recall at any point management acknowleding a GH at all--we only have Halifn's summary of what Slash heard-things could have easily changed b/w that time and now. Who knows-i think that it's a positive sign that GH is shelved---if it pops up again, well, we know we've got a ways to go. apologies if my words in the prior post seemed misleading or conclusive.

I posted weeks ago before splat even said it, that GH2 was NOT coming out. That is why the people at the velvet rope said.

 You're right-I think I even quoted you on it at one point, apologies again---information overload, I guess  :drool:

 But the question remains: what stopped it from happening? Has that ever been resovled?

This is all guessing what kind of work Richard will do for Axl/GNR...

And its very confusing... How hard can it be for Axl to give us an album update... :-\

KV n saul quit the Stincky calling. >:(

we don't need the bloody exs lets alone some blabberfoot. Believe the power of number 8! : ok:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
NickNastyIII: The Return, I understand where you're coming from.
Just I wouldn't buy what an anonymous insider says especially when it's a hell likely story ie GH2 was the threat. ;)

If that is supposed to include Bucket then it's time to re-work the math. Bucket has taken hmself outta the equation and I dont think you will ever see him in GNR again.

 Trust me, I dont put 100% faith in anybody-I try to always be a little skeptical. Yet GH2 does not appear to be on the horizon now when it clearly was supposed to be, and my question remains: what has changed since talk of GH2 started till now?

Off Topic: Why the Finck bashing? The guy has a pretty long tenure with gnr not to mention years with Trent Reznor, and cirque de soleil I seriously doubt anyone would keep him around if he's as awful as some percieve him to be!

I am literally amazed that so many people here think that this means anything. Hope springs eternal, I guess. Haven't some of you been waiting as long as I have? Since Spaghetti, I've been waiting. A new "rumor" pops up every couple of months, and this has been going on for YEARS and YEARS. I'm sorry, that should be DECADES. It's good to keep a positive attitude, I guess, but it's not like we haven't heard this before. Same shit, new month.

Big B won't even nod in acknowledgement of his place in the band at one point in time.

Whatever. I think we will hear him on the album(s) at least.

what?s really positive about this is that richard actually will work on CD in the near future........ in a splat( ;D) interview brain said that he didn`t talk to axl since rio..... i guess it`s the same with most of the other band members.

Some of u are so hilarious led by the GNR Kool Aid it makes me feel very sorry for some of u.


Lets look at all the stuff we have heard.

Slash says only 2 songs have been totally recorded.

We hear the album is done just putting finishing touches


We hear every part is done but Axl putting the vocals on it.


We hear the album is being mixed.


Now Richard is goin back to record.





I dont know how many people on here have an IQ over 50 but If Richard is goin back to record that means THE FUCKING ALBUM ISNT FINISHED AND IF A GUITARIST IS STILL DOING PARTS THAT MEANS LYRICS ARENT FINISHED, WHICH MEANS MIXING AND PRODUCTION ISNT FINISHED WHICH MEANS THE ALBUM IS NO CLOSER TO BEING FINISHED THAN 10 YEARS AGO.

HOW THE FUCK IS THIS GOOD NEWS???!!!

Your wrong!  You and I both don't know what Richard meant by that comment.  Did you ever stop to think that maybe he is only doing recording for a couple of songs?  Maybe they have already mixed the other songs.  Maybe vocals are done.  Maybe they only need to finish a song to be put on a soundtrack.  YOU don't know anything.   

The only thing we know is that he is going back to work with Axl.

I don't know about the state of the album except for the fact that it isn't done yet. That alone scares me.

The album is finished! Its gonna come out very very soon! I think they are going back to camp to tie up loose ends, maybe a video or stuff for the first single. All these rumours for about about two months and there has just been silence from the camp! They are about to break loose and unleash this beast!! Mike

Im not sure what D said is far from the truth, how many times in the past years have we heard "final mixing" "final touches" or "some vocal parts" and still months and years went by and nothing, this could be more of the same so dont jump to conclusions.

I don't jump to conclusions... but D himself is far from the truth

if he's recording guitars, it means record still isn't mixed and mastered  :rant:
I hope he's recording for next album or 3 or 4th album, but not CD...  :crying:

You are correct.? If he is recording for the initial first album, then we could be in for a bit of a wait.? Not that we aren't already use to that.

yeah, like alot of u other said. How the hell do we know this is recording for Chinese Democracy?
We all know that the plan is to make 3 album, which will come right after eachother, in a 3 year timeframe!
So i guess bouth the second and the third album is already in the making.

  Exactly--if nothing happens in 06', then it's nothing different from any of the last few years....getting irritable about it one way or the other, blasting other people and calling them morons, idiots, etc. for trying to be positive accomplishes nothing. It is what it is---me, I retain a optimistic pessisim about the whole thing--it'll probably never come out, but I allow for the chance that it will, and I allow for the chance that maybe in the instance of Richard going to LA there's more than meets the eye-if not, then I lose nothing, b/c i know in the bak of my head it's probably not ever gonna happen. It's natural to be invested in a band whom you love, but it's also wise not to take it so seriously.

Good post Nick!
I am very positive about CD and belive Chinese Democracy will bee out sooner THEN later. And the new about Richard heading back for the studio, i think is great!
And i really belive that this is the second or the third cd, and im SURE that he will do more there then do a couple of recordings... Im Positive!

I really wonder how it will be on the forums when we finally get a real announcement! Hope u have a BIG SERVER Jarmo! LOL!
We have waited a looong time! very long time now! And the one who waits for something good, dont wait forever! Im pretty sure, that when
the new album hits the stores, and the ball start rolling, this sure will be a snowball! Do you guys really think that the guys all the thease years
has only been working on the first album??? Oh no! Remember what Axl said! That they will tour, go back release the second cd, and then the third!
There have been alot of pre-work to be  done! When the Gunner is back! Im sure they we wont get rid of them for a looong time! I guess thats theyr
way to make it up to US!  : ok:

maybe it won't come out, but I'll gona get my hands on thoes albums...  ;D even If I have to dig the tunel to Axl studio  :hihi:

has anyone tried emailing richard about this news?

One of things about the CD release that has me excited is definately the state of the boards after it's out  :smoking:

New things to discuss, new fans and new threads  : ok:

yeah, cant wait til we are fighting over which song is the best..  ;D

Chinese Democracy songrating starts now  :yes:

Let's assume the best case scenario: The album is done and Richard needs to do only a bit of work...How much longer until a release? How long does it take before you are done recording, to the mixing/mastering? Also, could the album already be mixed/mastered, and then add additional work?

Interesting that Richard said he was going to "complete the recordings for Chinese Democracy"...

So, this means that this will be the LAST session of recordings for the album...? That, for one, is good news. At least the album will then be finished and things can move forward.

I never believed the album was finished anyways, i was more leaning towards the possibility that Axl had scrapped the whole thing.
Im just glad there's a sign of activity!

CD is a merry go round that doesn't seem to have a stop button.

can someone turn it off then as I think im going to throw up

I already took some dramamine. Have you guys?? :hihi:

No, I prefer a different drug that takes care of nauesea, and makes you hungry  ;)


   Yeah, there's no real reason to think the whole album was scrapped. And also consider-if the band is considering a soundtrack placing on a major summer film and doing a summer tour, then CD would probably not be released until the second quarter next year-more than enough time to finish up what needs to be done. Like I said earlier, pay attention to Tommy's schdule- he's the point man on rehearsals for this band-if he starts booking stuff at length into next year, then we'll know nothing will happen.

I wish the ever optimistic, reality-free board members would realize after this (next) letdown, that if there was any good news, they'd tell us. CD won't come out in early 2006, there is a small chance that a late 2006 release date is possible.

exact: the "last minute details" Fortus said in a recent email  8)

Hey everyone....

Nik.....sorry...do you mean the translation was he is going back to record "last minute details"??? or complete?

thanks.

I feel sorry that you are that pessimistic mate! We are that close now my man! Come on pull your finger out and get positive! Mike

Well that settles that hope of getting it this year. Ah well 2006 is another year

Sometimes when vocals are finished guitar tracks are added to smooth out the rough spots from various changes in a song. Axl may be screeming with emotions in a song and to enlighted or enhance that feeling he needs to collaborate with Richard alittle. Axl and Richard back in the studio together is positive thing in my opinion. SINGLE maybe, CD finishing touches, I'm happy there back at work together, thats good to hear. 

Ahem, As I've been saying, everything is pointing at 8. ie 2+6, 4+4 or whatever. 
Distiny, blimy! This is f8, m8s.  :peace:
Make up your own minds and move heaven and earth, and hell if necessary. :headbanger:


This is email from richard, posted here more than a couple of weeks ago.
 ??? I don't get why some people got panicky at this news now. bit too slowish?


No no, leave the pessimists alone.  ;)
They are the most desperate bunch. They're afraid of petty disappointments. Whatever they hear they find something to moan about, as if they expected nice things to happen. I guess They love being miserable.

Scientific reports show that people in a depressive state tend to get low marks on IQ test.

 :rofl:

I wonder if you are so sarcastic that every line you write means the opposite, or you were raised by bats and that's why you see the total opposite than 'normal people' do.

I wish I had the time to search for the optimist branch's flying comments on Richard's, Dizzy's, Tommy's 'soon' comments they made 2-3 years ago.

BTW being realistic ain't mean being a pessimist. But in the world of Axl Rose being realistic means not being optimistic.

(And on your IQ test comments: I wish I knew your IQ)

come on! even the pessimists have to see something positive about this.....

a lot of posters here had recently the opinion that axl scrapped the whole thing. this is the proove he didn`t give up yet :beer:

and we don`t know what richard?s doing and how long it?ll take him.  are there no new email replys from him? i guess not since he`s on tour now....



 :rofl:

And the tour ends today! Yoho!

BRING BACK THE BUCKET!

I just wonder how much more work could need to be done on an album that was supposedly ready for an imminent release 3 years ago.  it can't be that shitty can it?

If Axl needs a new guitarist and is into hiring guitarist then why not hire Slash, as he's pretty damn good  : ok:

/why Slash is wasting his time in VR is anybodys guess  :confused:

well maybe it's because he can never be NEW in gnr and he is not wasting his time in VR.


an album that was supposedly ready for an imminent release 3yrs ago? What's that? ???

It's not the same album for which axl said soon was not the word 3yers ago, is it?


I'm far more realistic than you are.
At least I know the idea that bats raise other animals kid is out of touch with reality. :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

And about my IQ, you'd be suprised. Don't worry,  iq is not everything. ;)

  You're under the impression it was 'imminent' in 2002--I don't recall Axl himself saying that it was-i think he even said to someone at MSG that it wasnt going to be out till sometime in the second half of 2003 when they were supposed to start a second round of tourdates---and obviously something (Clear Channel, illness?) threw that plan off track with the 'Philly Incident'.

dizzy said "  we will have it sooner than we think  and now we find out their still recording when does dizzy think we think we  will have it cause i thought it was finished and they were just planing the release thats an another 6 months aleast before we know it the rumour will be november again   :rant:

i dont see why some people think its a negative sign that Richard going back to GNR!! Thats just plain stupid!
And If Richard is going right back today, or tomorrow, or whatever, it means that there is thing that has to be done now!
He havent even got time for a vacation after the Nena tour! And for him back in GNR recording on Chinese Democracy, if that whats he said,
maybe he said it because he couldent say what he was really gonna do there. . Or maybe there is some more riffs to put on, but that dont take forever!
Hello? The guy are back in GNR camp, and im sure alot of the other members are there to.. so i think this is a VERY positive sign! And all the positve Early 06` talk! That gotta mean something...! Be positive, and dont be negative, because things have been going slow in the past. That dont mean it have to go slow in the future...  : ok:

It might be a good sign if he only has small parts to redo, but if he has to record a whole shit load of stuff, then it might not be such a good thing :-\

It's definately cool that al teast some members of the band are back together again.

Personally i think that maybe Axl is finally done vocals but some little riffs and stuff weren't quite suited to his lyrics or maybe the songs need to be played a bit faster or slower to fit his timing? (unsure if that is something that can be screwed with on Pro-Tools) we know absolutely nothing so it's hard to say one way or another if more recording by Richard is a good thing or bad thing IMO. :peace:

Well, Richard is flying to Los Angleles tonight. I'm pretty sure the whole band will be there.

Guns N Roses - back together.

Go Richard

I am just getting so excited at the moment! I know that things are about to happen I can feel it!! These are exciting times for us fellow guns fans! Not even the few straggling negative people can drag me down now! Something is happening and it gonna be big! Its a good time I've just exchanged contracts on the selling of my house and all hell is about to break loose in the guns n roses world! And I for one am feeling very happy about it! Mike  :beer:

Thats the spirit!
Im pretty sure they release the BEAST soon! Well, anyway, sooner then later.. : ok:

This is the best line-up since 1993.
Axl -Richard -Robin -Tommy -Brain - Dizzy (+Chris?)

well since '90 i think :beer:    and we`ll see if it`s even better : ok:

:yes:
Me personally think so too. After the vocal is fixed, of necessity the other parts need to be revised a little. A singer would check with the other guys and have them make miner adjustments here and there.

 Yes ppbebe, Especially some Guitar fillers here and there.  : ok:

will the whole band  be there  ? I did not read it...

It's possible, the source doesn't mention it.

Not sure if this has already been mentioned, but if Richard is going to L.A. NOW, chances are it's not for very long (as Christmas is right around the corner and I'm sure he will NOT be missing that at home in NY...especially with a newborn). Point being, this might be something very miniscule in the grand scheme of things...but, hey...that could be a good thing!

I heard that on the local radio stations when they were promoting the Philly show, which coincidently enough, I was at

how can there be any more guitar work on Cd.?? Only richard has work to do?? Fuck I wasn't going to bother reading it I just know what I saw in the begining of the thread..

Everyone is so amped, I just yawn..

I can say the news is good that something of any kind is going on

"cd which is still unfinished" :o

I'm not gonna nick-pick, but, does he mention "guitar work" or just "work"?  If it's only work, it could mean anything from pictures to getting his special thanks ready for the CD insert.? Man I need some sleep. :confused:

the one place huh?
How about guitars, bass, drums etc..?

no1 has any idea of what work still needs to be done. It could be work for every song, it could be all of buckets parts, its could be 1 song, it could be anything. absolutely anything.

Does it really matter if its done or not? Meaning it wasnt going to be released this past month. So if Axls latest target release was for next yr who cares if he tinkers with it. He has time. How long does the making of cd and promotion take...2-3 months tops?

lets just hope it comes out this yr. If not, then even me will start thinking this thing will never come out. I expect this album out by the Spring with a single release a month or 2 before that so prob March APril ish for the single.

I personally think the wave is starting to set in motion. I personally believe the album is done. We have to realize that these guys have not been in the studio together for a long time. So is it really that crazy to think that Axl needs some members to go back and update or change something? They have been gone for awhile doing htere own thing. Im sure it took soem time for Axl to think about the Bucket situation and what to do with the material. Plus im sure he had to lay down some vocals. Throw all that in the mix...changes need to be made. But the fact that Fortus keeps saying see you in 06 tells me hes heard some things. As we know all that can change...and being we are the luckiest group of fans...things probably will change ..lol...but at this moment in time I am very optimistic about the releas eof the album....

and what a day it will be

maybe we should keep trying to get som info from Fortus by E-mail, and he may give us some hints.. It would def. be waird if he now, when hes back with Guns, suddently stoped answer the emails.. Waaoh! The thought of that they might be shooting artwork pics and things like that now, is exciting!
Wonder how the cover booklet looks like.. Hope they make some cool bandpictures :D

Exactly. And by the way, the world is coming to an end "soon." (We really have nothing to worry about, we are on Axl time).  :rofl:

...to "finish the recording for Chinese Democracy"...

I find it hard to believe that its not finished by now, considering the fact that release dates were being tossed around. Axl getting cold feet again? Material not good enough? Remember, awhile back, some producer told Axl he only had 3 good songs. Add one more to that, and you've got yourself an EP! :hihi:

From what I understand that was bullshit, and the guy that claimed that has been known to make  up stuff.
Esp since every one else that heard the various versions of CD since 1999 have all said how good it is.

Come on James it will only cost another 500 thousand to put down some more tracks. :rofl:

where was this theory dispelled?

it sounds quite feasible to me

At least Im not the only one who sees how ridiculous this sounds. This project never fucking changes, its one step forward, and two huge steps backwards. Any progress towards the finish line is terminally derailed by Axl or some other mythical forces that remain anonymous.

Jimmy, it wasn't a theory. Some producer actually said that after listening to CD, there was only 3 songs worthy of an album. I dont remember the guy's name. Maybe someone here does. Maybe someone can find his quotes about CD. Dave has a point. Some people have said how great CD is. But were they being honest, or just kissing Axl's ass? I think a producer neutral to the situation is more believable than someone closely associated with the project.

I think the producer was Bob Ezrin but the source I'm not sure of

I would love to have seen the look on Axl's face when the guy told him that after all these years of work, he had 3 songs that were album worthy. :hihi: Anyone know the exact quotes? When did he say this?

Im pretty sure it was a kind of second generation source

perhaps Ross Halfin relayed?? I could be wrong

No the point is the person claiming there were just three good songs is a known liar. His name escapes me.

That would be the legendary and well respected producer who's worked with everyone from Pink Floyd to Janes Addiction, Bob Ezrin  ::)

If he's a KNOWN liar, why does the "name escape you"? And why have you jumped on the bandwagon of people using Axl quotes? :confused:

^^^^^^^ To quote a funny gag from my favorite show Sealab.. "UH-OH!"  :rofl:.......

When was the quote made?

And  you wonder why I dont post here much, for crap like this.  ::)    Oh and sorry for using a figure of speech.

Axl, referring to Izzy-Tokyo 92

Nono.. lol. I mean.. the comment about CD only having like 3 songs that were decent

If this is even true the time frame of when he said this was 99/2000 so that was the album of industrial material that has  been canned. So who knows what the three good songs were if that is even true since other people said the 99/2000 album were really great.

Dave, its true. Of course, its just his opinion, but the guy really said it. I'm not positive, but I think you're wrong on your timeframe. I think he said it more recently than that.

Im not saying he didnt say it. But if you take, CD, the blues, madagascar and IRS that is already 4 strong songs, so I dont know where he is getting three from.

Good point. I agree that those songs are good. I noticed you left Riyadh off your list of good songs. :hihi: Maybe he doesn't consider IRS very good, or maybe the guy just has really high standards.

I like riyadh and its good but its not strong as a song like irs, the blues, madagascar or CD. Riyadh as much as i love it, always seem unfinished.

Ive always gave Axl the benefit of the doubt but there is gonna come a time where if he doesnt release this album, U are gonna have to start thinking that maybe he just doesnt have any good songs.


I mean if the album was brilliant I think we'd have it by now.

So there is a chance that the album sucks and Geffen wont release it because it sucks.

Damn!!   I also remember a producer saying this more recently...like in 2004 sometime it surfaced. If memory serves me...and it usually doesn't LOL...it was something to the effect that 3 songs were really good, and the others he wanted to be redone. then he was canned and then we got these crazy words about there being only 3 songs. Maybe he was just angry at being offed?....AGAIN....this is just from a vague memory! LOL...DO NOT trust me 100%...I will try hard and find the sources!!!  : ok:

on a side note.....I find it VERY hard to believe there are only 3 good songs. I mean the new ones are great. Plus we have people from all over saying it is a classic in the works.

I have a question tho.......Is there any truth to IZZY apparently being one of the only people to hear almost the whole album???????

AND.....As for Fortus...It makes sense for this to be a small issue. As one poster pointed out...it IS XMAS and he does have a family. But then again Axl has been known to delay or cancel XMAS  :hihi:

IRON Mike

U dont replace guitarists like Izzy Stradlin and Slash easily.

Who is to say that Finck,Fortus and whoever else are capable of writing kick ass riffs?

Didnt geffen reject the album once as well?


Listen its real simple

u dont go through multiple producers and musicians if the music kicks ass and is full of masterpieces.

I think something is seriously wrong in GNR land.

it is possible that the songs we've heard were the Big Guns and once they werent received very well on tour that destroyed axl's confidence and they keep trying.


if the album was a masterpiece, we'd have it by now.

yea i think whats wrong is that the album is not out because of every reason other then the material not being good. thats what i think is wrong with the situation.

as for the producers... i think each were brought in for each kind of genre/style of songs they were working on. Not for just 1 album. I think before releasing this album Axl wants to make sure each song is represented the way he wantsa and has the right feel. And in doing so he has probably exhausted every means possible to achieve that.

I highly doubt the quality of the album will be lacking. Axl is a smart guy and more importanly a talented guy. Can the new guys pick up where the old left off? Who knows...But what I do know is that Buckethead and Stinson can write quality material, so thats a start. I also know that Axl wouldnt put out a gnr album if he felt it didnt live uup to its potential.

we can speculate all we want...but we really dont know...we all have not a clue....when that album is in our hands many questions will be solved....

Im hoping that maybe its just not commecial compared to music these days.

The thing is, if Axl is waiting for the musical landscape to change before releasing CD he is messing up because I think Axl is what WILL change the musical landscape.

I am a huge Axl believer but after a few more years im gonna have to start thinking that maybe he just doesnt have the material, I mean it is possible... :nervous:

I do, however, remember reading Zakk Wylde saying that there were a bunch of kick ass songs and that he had like a 2 minute shredding outro to one and he was saying "Axl, just release the damn album, it's good enough already."  So whatever song that is, if you trust Zakk, you can toss that on to the pile of worthy songs.

I used to think hes waiting for the "right time" but I dont think thats the case. I just think Axl is on his own dam schedule and nothing will take him off of that. When he feels it ready to release the album he will do it. I think its that cut n dry. And that doesnt necissarily mean in regards to the material. I think it means more about being "mentally" and physically into touring, and probably the biggest thing is being in the spotlight again. Axl is a rock god and he has done jack shit for a decade. He still sparks an interest yet he probably doesnt get hounded every where he goes. He probably likes that. When releasing CD and being out there his whole lifestyle changes again.

Its def possible. And if that were the case then Id chalk it up to the material not being what he visioned it to be. And thats fine too. For me it would mean he thought highly of what hes doing and didnt want to tarnish the gnr name with crappy music.

But I doubt its the case. Tehres so much shit we dont even know about regarding this band in terms of behind the scenes stuff. But a memorable album will take away everything. SO thats why Axl can take his time. Witht he material and the behind the scenes stuff...

but if its not out this coming yr...enough is enough and it prob will never come out

I have great faith in the material though, I mean bands not have as talented as GNR are making pretty decent records, so u know after 10 years he has to have some major shit.

younggunner I think u are dead on.

I think axl is just deciding whether he wants the spotlight cause he is clearly someone who doesnt need it to be fulfilled.

he has millions, famous for ever, has all the notoriety and fame but yet isnt hounded, isnt stalked and can go places and be somewhat normal.

That is a lot to give up i do agree.

D makes a really good point, and this is something that all of us are gonna have to take into consideration in the coming year.

well...  even the songs we all listened to are good enough for chinese democracy.....imo.  and i think geffen would release everything axl gave them at the moment. so i guess it`n not the quality of the songs that lacks.....it`s just axl who`s responsable for the no-release.

and i agree with you younggunner. if there?s no sign of CD in `06 i`ll believe it`s never gonna come out

None of us has ever heard the album so to all of you: don't speack about something you don't know.
You will be able to give your opinion on?the record when it is out. Not before. Don't criticize it before you hear it.

You have been giving your opinion about it for along time. Dont tell other people they cant do the same.

Well said.

I have every confidence CD will be great. We've heard several songs, songs that I like already (Madagascar, The Blues, Rhyiad and IRS) and songs that I believe with a bit of work could be great (Chinese Democracy/Oh My God) Buckmaster was upbeat about the song Prostitute. And wasn't there good comments about TWAT from some film maker? And then there's Axl's piano interludes that could well be the backbone of any of the new songs.

If anything, I believe that there is probably SO much material that picking the wheat from the chaff may be the problem.

You got me! ;D
jameslofton 1 - 0 nesquick? :P
More seriously, I just said the record will be great . I just want to say it's not good to criticize a record that none of us has ever heard.
the band needs support. Everybody out there want them to have success, I want the band to be huge, so let's support them.

Actually, that film maker thought it sucked. The song was This I Love, not TWAT. I agree with everything else you said. :peace:

To me you seem very opinionated about music (not that it's necessarily a bad thing mind you ;) ), so i wouldn't be surprised if you are among the first to voice displeasure if it doesn't meet your expectations. (eg. I wonder what you will say if buckethead's 'uninspired' shredding makes it to the final product :nervous: )

It will depend on the music. You don't know me, so avoid to speak for myself? : ok:
I have no interest in Buckethead - for different reasons -? so no need to bring that on the table again especially since he is gone. He belongs to the past and that's perfect like that. I'm interested in the futur and as Richard said "the band is the same, minus Buckethead".
It makes me happy and full of energy when I think about that :smoking:

Didn't Axl say he would release cd as soon as he had recorded enough to drop one every year after that, due to extensive touring plans. Somebody!

true. But nobody knows if it's still relevant today. I hope so, but I don't know. The band has probably 2 or 3 albums worth of material, I mean... "ready" to be released.

if thats what Axl said then thats what we get.

I do love Zakks work, I like the guy (although he has a few disturbing behaviours for european eyes ;D) and I totally trust him. But Zakk has a tendency to publish his stuff to fast. I have all Black Label CDs, and if you'd pick out the REAL great songs you could tear his catalogue to one CD (And the "Book of Shadows"). Good songs? "Okay-songs"? Cool songs? En masse - but often not more than fillers.

I don't wanna start a discussion about Zakks publishing politics. :D My point is: I do believe that Zakk believes what he says. But even if you're not a maniac perfectionist like Axl, I think Zakks standards are no suitable for questions regarding the special case "Chinese Democracy".

Like the album of 12(+) songs in 1997?  :hihi:

Well, he'll be in the studio with Richard over the weekend (I presume) trying to do something about that.


"so then Rich, we have 2 completed tracks and 3 that need some polish and ideas for 5 more, so we could maybe end up with 10 for worlds best album eva"  ;D

Bullshit. IRS wasn't meant to be public (at least officialy) and IMO it's one of the best new songs (some people would say is the best one).

Also, there's reports of new songs in 2001-2003 era but they didn't play anything else besides these 6 ones - you should expect they would play some new song instead of Silkworms, for example. I don't think it's that hard to write a better song than this shit.

Perhaps Silkworms was to lower expectations!

Well, always one mans masterpiece is another mans poison, darkness BJ or whatever.... :P


I disagree.
Yeah, 2006 is certainly A Perfect year for Chinese democracy.
But Come on, why should he and his mates give up their hell long endeavour even though they miss this round. And why should we?

An Opportunity may knock only once but there will be always another while there is life.

Chinese democracy stands for positive changes that look impossible outwardly at the time but are unavoidable in the current of the times. People will put them as Historical necessity, afterwards.

Didn't Axl, referring to Chinese democracy, talk about the deep emotion he was filled with at a scene in a film, where the supporters of the dalai lame frees their hope at the risk of their lives?

Likewise they will accomplish it, cost what it may. No matter how long it takes.

I think Silkworms was a test. Axl wanted to test the audience reaction to very industrial songs. Logically, the reaction was pretty "cold", maybe even "frozen",  wich is totally normal for me considering it's far very far away from GN'R kind of music.. ?It seems Axl tested a lot of thing in 2002. it may also explain the delays. Maybe he wrote a couple of industrial songs ala "silkworms" before 2002 and finally decided to scrap them down because he had a bad feeling about how the general public would react.

  Axl had no part in writing Silkworms-that was Reed and Pittman's 'masterpiece'

  I wouldn't worry about the material-everything (save Silkworms) has been strong, if not excellent in some cases (The Blues, IMO).

 The impression I get is not that Axl cares so much about living up to critical standards (and, BTW, most reviews I read about the 2002 tour praised the new material, even if they hated seeing the new guns cover older stuff). Nor is it about changing the music scene---it's all about living up to his own standards-which, if you believe anyone who's ever worked with him, are extremely high-Brian Wilson-like high. the problem is, when you have those type of standards, it's pretty hard to get anything done, because something will always strike you as not right. But Axl has to realize (at least I hope he does) that the window is closing to make a comeback--he's going to be what? 45 or 46 in Ferbruary? The older you get, the harder it is to make a splash in the mainstream music market, in terms of album sales, where youth is king, for the most part. There's always touring, but I really dont want to see a 60-year-old man singing "It's So Easy"--I want something a little more introspective.

To be honest I dont want to see him singing "It's So Easy" on the next tour of 06. Helluva New songs plz!

Will he care about the album sales so much when he's 60?

well.....  you`re right it doesn`t mean it won`t come out. but i wont get excited about anything, that`s for sure. i think a rio appearance is very likely and the release in '06, too. but if in the second half of '06 there`s still no sign of CD than it looks very dark......

All this talk about Silkworms makes me feel that I'm the only one here that likes that tune :rofl:.  The lyrics are just venomous, and with that slow hook at the end, i think it's a badass song myself.

Iggy Pop still sings agressive stuff, I guess. :P

I agree with you here  :beer:

A bit letdown news  :(
about the 60-year old singing It's so easy... See me hit you, I fall down

Amen to that!


  How much does he care about them now? If it were all about album sales, I'd think he'd put out a product no matter what the quality-the Guns name in and of itself pretty much assures anything he releases of going platinum. I think there is something more aesthetic (big word!) going on with Axl--he wants this to be his "Sgt. Pepper" in terms of how its percieved in the longterm by his peers.


True, and I don't want Axl to not be aggressive, but you can be agressive and show a maturity and freshness too.

You are not alone!

Silkworms is a really good song.  Love the song structure, especially where you would expect a typical rock guitar lead, they play more mellow guitar/synth thing. Im sure if we ever see an official release there will be a few revisions.

Im playing Devils advocate here, its just we have been saying the same shit since 2002.

Pretty soon we have to stop making excuses for Axl and start looking at it with a different set of eyes.

I agree about Its So Easy, If I never hear another AFD song on tour Ill be extremely happy.

I know u gotta play some hits but I am sick of that album to be honest.

Playing a majority of old songs (at least 60 %) is a "must do" thing for the band to have good ticket sales. Most of people will come to hear the old classics. It's the same for every legendary Rock band. People go to a U2 gig to hear One, sundy bloody sunday or the streets have no name. They come to an Oasis gig to hear Wonderwall, Don't look back in anger or Supersonic. They come to a rolling stones gig to hear satisfaction or jumping jack flash... it's the same for every "big" Rock band.
I think they should play the new songs progressively, starting with 3 or 4, then 5 or 6 and finally 8 or 9 new songs and 11 or 12 old ones. if it's not little by little, step by step, There will be poor ticket sales.

people want to hear jungle, sweet child, knocking, nightrain, patience, november rain and paradise city. It's the strict minimum for a GN'R show.

I think GUNS gotta hold on to a couple of old songs, but if Chinese Democracy are good enough, then they dont have to play the old songs to get people to theyr show...

ok but when people pay 100$ to see GN'R, they want to hear the old classics first.

well, i absolutt agree that they gotta have som of the old classics.. But i hope that Chinese Democracy after a while will have som of the classics  : ok:

If Axl continues in his current vein of alientiation of old fans, there'll only be "new" fans to play for hence, only CD will be required

True but I doubt Axl will go back to a 2002 setlist. Do you honestly think Axl wants to play the old stuff the way he did in 02 when he has an album out?

I firmly believe the band will be playing the majority if not all of Cd and throw in some classics. But nothing like the 02 setlist. Basically the exact opposite. All new some old....

Yea but I dont think you can look at GNr this way. Plus I dont think GNR will promote themselves that way. I dont think Axl is gonna promote the band as a classica band with a new album. I Think its gonna be about CD. Of course theyll play some hits but the tour, the interviews will be geared towards CD.

I think GNR already have taken that step. The first step was playing the old songs. Just getting out there, gelling as a band, getting down the live stuff...in the meantime you got to hear the classics. As Axl said..."he considers it as a reunion tour". And when he talks to Loder at the vmas he talks about moving on in stages. I think phase 1 is done.

Now its time for what we have all been waiting for. Axl got to test the waters with OMG, and the 2002 stuff. Now its time for CD. GNr will be all about that album.

as for silkworms....it rocks!

I'd like to see a majority C.D. tour.. not AFD.. if the material is strong enough and C.D. sells well then why not? Its time for Axl to put up or shut up in my opinion.. if you wanna bury Appetite.. then do it. If you just want to keep old fame then shut your mouth and cancel C.D! Do a reunion tour. Jesus....

Also.. to whoever said that Guns NEED to play the old stuff to have good ticket sales because other "classic" bands need to... this is a different line-up, trying to be relevant! This isn't the rolling stones or ac/dc.. this is GN'R.. a NEW GN'R.. I mean if C.D. is a sucess then Axl will be POPULAR again. Not in a "o an old guy is putting out another record".. but in a "wow a new kickass record is out!" kinda way.

I mean.. if CD bombs.. or if the material sucks..  then I agree with you.. Axl would need to play the old stuff.. but if not.. then whats the big deal in not playing AFD? Im all up for the occasional old song.. or maybe even 40-60... but nothing more.


The film maker didn't say it sucked.. he said.. something about it being a heartfelt song and that he was sad it didn't show up on the soundtrack. (i cant find the exact quote.. but im looking..)

Oopps.. NEVERMIND. Somebody working on the film liked it.. the director "didn't see how cool it was"... so.. I guess thats the same as "it sucks i dont want it"

hmm.. intresting.

can u post that article or quotes?

I understand that sp1at is a bad source.. and I coulda sworn I had seen it in this site.. but.. yes... this is all i could find.. (and i looked hard! no joke)

The following report was issued by Gigger at Sp1at.com:

After a week of investigating Sp1at.com can exclusively reveal that the unreleased GUNS N' ROSES song "This I Love" was intended to feature in the 1998 film "What Dreams May Come".

Sp1at was originally alerted to the connection between Axl Rose and the film when Dave Dominguez, a producer on the "Chinese Democracy" album in the late '90s, told Sp1at that the song was intended for "some Robin Williams film." Sp1at's intrepid reporter followed this up and soon contacted the office of Dawn Soler, the musical supervisor for the film "What Dreams May Come".

Speaking exclusively to Sp1at on the subject, Dawn Soler said, "Oh, boy, that was a long time ago," and admitted she was unable to recollect how the oppourtunity to work with Axl Rose came along in the first place. She did assure Sp1at that Axl was "really into the film" and even suggested that he "wrote the song for it." However, Sp1at does not believe this to be the case as the song was originally mentioned in 1994 by Axl Rose himself when he described "This I Love" as "the heaviest thing I've ever done." Fans of the band have often speculated that the song was about Dylan, the son of Axl's ex-girlfriend Stephanie Seymour.

As it turned out, the song did not make the final cut of the film, although Dawn Soler insists it was not down to her. She said, "The director was a pill and didn't get how cool it would be." Sp1at has contacted the agent of Vincent Ward, the "pill" of a director, on the issue but they have yet to reply.

Sp1at went back to Dominguez to see if he had any further comments on the song and he went on to say that "it was definitely a love song...very heartfelt, it would have fit perfectly with 'What Dreams May Come'," before adding that the song was "five minutes or more" in length.

It is unlikely that the song remains in the same form as it did in 1998. Howard Karp, who worked on the song in 2000, told Sp1at that it was just him and Axl in the studio at the time and that the song was a "simple, piano ballad." It is also known that Bryan "Brain" Mantia has recorded on the song since joining the band in 2001.

Whether we'll ever get to hear the song "This I Love" is debateable. GUNS N' ROSES' "Chinese Democracy" album has been in the works for around seven years but is at present set for a "mid-year release," according to an industry source. However had Mr. Ward followed the advice of Dawn Soler, then "This I Love" would be a seven-year-old track rather than another myth in the world of GUNS N' ROSES.

Source : www.sp1at.com

That doesn't sound too negative a response too me. Just that the director was a 'Pill' whatever that means

you know what i dont even give a fuck anymore!!!!!  :rant:CD will come out when it does VR will have another record out hell even that fuck up Adler could have an album out by then and if that does happen(adler new record) that will be a sad sad day in the world of GNR :no: and honestly if sanctuary and geffen were smart they whould put out anything and everything not out yet they would make a killing and axl would go into hiding again.........axl has a real problem......he does not give a fuck about the fans nor anyone else except axl and it has always been that way and it always be that way one of the reasons slash and everyone left and fuck most of you know that   so i will belive CD when its in my fucking hands intill that day happens i could careless. 

you`re not alone :beer:

"To this day, really good songwriters that are ready to finish an album call me up and go, `Do you have Bob Ezrin's number?' He did it with Jane's Addiction. He did it with The Darkness. He did it with Guns 'n' Roses. I know Axl (Rose, the lead vocalist of G 'n' R) called him up and said, `I want you to listen to (the still-unfinished CD) ``Chinese Democracy'' and tell me what I've got (that's good).' Bob listened to it and said, `Three songs.' This is after seven years (of songwriting). Bob's not going to be a yes man. He's going to go in there and tell you how many (decent) songs you actually have... "

http://www.kingcountyjournal.com/sited/story/html/175858


I think Ezrin made that comment in mid/late 2000, as he was hired by Axl that year.

but that's a matter of taste, I mean... I've heard  5 songs that I love, Chidem, madagascar, the blues, IRS and Rhiad....

MAYBE if THIS IDIOTIC MAN had said the album was great - maybe it was we'll never know- then MAYBE axl would have released it by now.....AND MAYBE I WOULD HAVE LOVED IT the way it was..

now..Bob Ezrin...where is that motherfucker,
I happen to think the darkness sucks donkey shlongs and jane's addiction is nothing special....if he thought those albums had good songs then by that rational CHIDEM WAS AWESOME, the fuckin idiot has bad taste, that's all... :-X >:(

im still hopeful that some day we will see CD, Fortus is cool, but if he is going in to record now........ well........... something is more wrong than we thought. im starting to think that axl is a numbskull who needs to get his shit sorted.......badly

Bob Ezrin's track record speaks for itself, I think. If were going to have my music properly critiqued I would probably take it to him, too. Unfortunately Axl doesn't seem to play with people that don't share his views on things. It's a bit ignorant to put it off as 'oh Ezrin has bad taste', he's a producer, and a damn good one which makes him a hell of a lot more qualified to make a call on whether or not something is good than you. But maybe you're right. He should have just kissed Axl's ass and said it was awesome and let him release a sub-par album.  ::)

Maybe it really wasn't ready and even though Axl might have gone back to the drawing board maybe we'll be better off having a better album as a result. Ezrin is hardly a fuckin idiot, and the fact that you think Jane's Addiction is nothing special gives me no reason to take your opinion on music seriously. You know that Axl was a huge Jane's fan right? I don't remember the exact quote but I remember reading something from Axl about how he had Jane's demo tape around the time GnR were getting signed and he was telling everyone that they needed to sign this band Jane's Addiction. I wish I knew where I read that...

I dont care if Axl likes janes addiction; it further prooves my point that it's all a matter of taste; if you happen to think the darkness and janes addiction are great; its your right but dont think everybody's gonna like them like you do.. I stand by what I said; that guy's taste may be different from you and me; I checked up his work - impressive from a business point of vieuw; but from the musical point of view I clearly dont agree with him, and probably many others think like me. Subpar album ? maybe for him,  a lot of people view the illusions as crap compared to afd; I happen to like them more than AFD; subpar for him may be great for me.

Can we bare in mind that Ezrin's comment was made nearly six years ago.

Also, remember what Merck told Ross Halfin - that much of the record were epic, challenging songs - perhaps Ezrin was only listening out for potential hot singles...?

Regardless - I don't think someone's comments about an unfinished album are still relevant six years later. It could be a completely different record right now. Who knows.

Blame Ezrin, blame Slash, blame everyone but Axl. You haven't realized that 6 (six) years gone since he made those comments. 6 (six) fuckin' years. If Ezrin's words made Lil Axl not release this album, for 6 (six) years, then Axl is an idiot and the album will never come out.

you're right; but if axl is an indeed an idiot then I also blame ezrin  ;D

One mans meat is another mans poison darkness or JA.....

Who is more idiotic?
either

An idiot who is slow in everything
Or
The other idiot who has waited for the slow one to finish the work for like 10 years(?), constantly beefing about everything the one does? And he doesn't even like the work of the slow one.

Common sense tells the latter has no one but himself to blame.

Since you are as far from common sense as one can be, you shouldn't mention anything like 'common sense tells' you. If you hear voices then it's time to visit your doctor again.

Again?
I've just seen the gp to have myself vaccinated against flu. :rofl:
My hearing is excellent thank you very much.

Quit your off topic follies or you'll be in trouble.  >:(

Back to the topic, this is anything but a bad news.
I'm thankful to Richard for updating us by replying to fan mails by hand but now I'd rather he will slow down a bit or use an auto tool as I think he won't have too much time in hand.

Just to come back on topic (I'm surprised Jarmo hasn't reacted yet to the fight over here, if it was me, he would have jumped on me like a crazy dog on drug within a second and screaming I would be the bad guy and telling me to stop it...anyway)... so to come back on topic, it would be cool to know if Richard is alone with Axl in studio or if there's other bandmembers with them... like a mini band reunion you see?

Wasnt Ezrin the guy who made that awful Kiss album?

Depends---if the whole band is back, it could mean another overhaul of the enitre album---if it really is just richard going in there, it would give more creedence to the idea that he's really just putting final touches on some tracks.

Lets hope he will post some pictures from the studio  :hihi:

It would be great to see some studio pictures! That would make me soooo happy! But i guess it will never happen  :no:

I think Chinese Democracy is coming.

Its funny that Greatest hits vol 2 was comin out but since Richard is goin back to LA all of a sudden there is no such release in the works.

I think Axl reached a compromise.

"Dont release GH2 and Ill deliver CD for a Spring/Summer release"

I think the wheels are starting to turn.

I agree, like Lastroots says the chain of events is too coincidental to ignore.

Whether it has anything to do with Richard returning to the studio who knows. I hope he doesn't go all quiet on us - I can see the scene now - 'Richard you've been far to chummy withe the fans recently, please cease all e-mails...we're watching you!'.

At the least if he does say I expect to see you in 2006 again we'll have a good idea. I also think the fact that Tommy hasn't been confirmed with SA yet as a positive sign.

I think it will if Axl says yes.  :yes:
It'd be a great update to see a recent pic of any member with axl, even if with just a braid.

no, i think that was kiss....  :P

why are you dissing ezrin?

LOL

because by all accounts, he didn't adhere to the "yes-man" approach that Axl surrounds himself with

Is Ezrin involved with CD?

he was, years ago, but no more

Ezrin served as the A&R man from October, 2000 (or at least was announced then) to early/mid 2001. In late June '01, management announced that Tom Zutaut had been brought in as an A&R man, obviously replacing Ezrin.

Who is the A&R man now?

In fact does anyone know how many people are involved with GN'R in some way?

"So in putting this thing together, in a lot of ways, I've had to do way more jobs in it than I'm supposed to - I've had to be manager, A&R man, producer, sole lyric writer, and a lot of [other] things" - Axl on KISW interview (http://hem.passagen.se/snoqalf/tr-20021120-axl.html), November 20, 2002.

Tom Zutaut and Roy Thomas Baker were fired in early '02, and Axl's apparently been in charge ever since.

that's right: Axl is producer since 2002.

- Axl on KISW interview, November 20, 2002.

Still holding our big guns back.....still.........still.......holding and holding and holding. Geeez,  I'm still waiting and waiting. I hope the wait ends SOON.

Yea, Bob Ezrin has no credibility :confused:



http://www.alicecoopershow.co.uk/ezrin/bob_ezrin.htm

credibility? How about Street Cred?
Tastes differ.
Today's great taste may be a fuddy-duddy tomorrow.
Ones taste changes with Age.

sic  I appreciate your posts with accurate backups. You're credible.

To come back on topic: maybe Fortus is currently using jellifish tools to record in the studio right now. Who knows? I remember he said how much he loves using the jellifish tools. Check his interview (last june) here: http://www.sp1at.com/item.php?id=548

The interesting part:

"How did you discover the Jellifish tool, and what are your thoughts on it?

I think that I read something about the Jellifish and ordered one on-line. I'm always looking for new sounds, the Jellifish blew my mind. It's an amazing tool. Very simple, but so effective. There are so many different effects you can create with it. I immediately ordered about 20 to give to my guitarist friends. Some people totally get it and some don't. You have to work with it and be creative with it. It takes some getting used to, but it's well worth the effort for me. It's not for your average guitar guy, looking to play rock or blues. It's a very gentle, subtle tool, that is more for creating textures and uncommon tones. I love it for creating zither-ish type sounds on accoustic. If you strike close to the bridge, it gives you a very thin, chimey sound. Great for arpegiated single not lines. Or, you can play very straight, whole-note chords towards the neck for more textural/ambient sounds. I've used the Jellifish with a Godin Glissentar and with smaller octave guitars. It's ideal for more cinematic music.

Have you recorded with it?

I've used it on a number of film scores, video game scores and commercials and tv themes, as well as records.

Have you incorporated the Jellifish into the GN'R sound?

I didn't use it on the Chinese Democracy record, as most of my parts were done by the time I discovered the Jellifish."

Bob Ezrin isa pretty much a legend though, he has worked with every band imaginable and they all say good things about him. Even Kiss's The Elder is part of his legend because its such a freaked out record. And Ezrin admitted he was too high on drugs to know better. If Ezrin said theres 3 good songs then you have to partly believe it.