Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Since the leaks have came out, I've been pretty surprised by most people's reactions...
I have seen very little discussion about the music itself. No discussions on how it compares to old songs, or if its a leap forwards or backwards, or if it sounds like a cohesive band.

Instead, most people are rating the songs by "It would be a great single" or "The mainstream radio will love it" or "Guns will make a lot of new young fans"

Can I ask why that stuff matters? Why does everyone think they're managing the band and its success? We're supposed to be fans, not career advisors...

Also, it's strange how people have made up their own minds as to which of the new songs will be on Chinese Democracy. What's even stranger, is that it seems generally accepted here. It's almost like a "fact" that Riyadh and Silkworms won't be on Chinese Democracy, even though we have no reason to accept this. Just because you don't WANT those songs there, doesn't make it so.

We're fans.
It struck me as being really strange that everyone is focused on the business of the band rather than the music.

I wont get into those type disscussions will I have heard the final product.. Can't compare.. at least just not yet. "Soon" hopefully.

see if britney or usher sells 8 million copies it's because of naive kids loving radio friendly hits

BUT if it's axl rose doing it today it because rock n roll sucks and need to be saved and the fans know good music..

Top ten rock is safe friendly music aka nickleback or greenday, but axl rose is making great music that people just love

Don't try to make any sence of these things..

I think better is a really good tune twat next then IRS which I like least..? None of them are my favs, I would like a song with a nice instant known intro like scom or a riff like jungle... besides the irs near end solo the songs lack some gnr type guitar work..? The songs themselves now flow well, they are very melodic but don't have the guitar rock I am personally use to which is weird being they have 3 axe slingers or had 3..

judging by what we have heard so far this will be an earth-shattering record.
madagascar, the blues, TWAT, better, IRS... who knows what axl has in store for us! :o
not that i ever doubted his talent but this material is crazy.
i will sum it up in three words:
WORTH THE WAIT.

I dunno when VR came out and people were comparing them to the old GNR, the biggest arguement was that you can't compare them to that.   Shouldn't the same opinion apply here.   The band is called GNR but in no way can the new music be compared to the old music and we all know it isn't going to have those same riffs that Slash had on the older GNR songs.  The 5 of them together was brilliance....we all know you CAN'T duplicate that.   Just ain't gonna happen, there is not one Slash riff on Contraband I could ever say is equal to SCOM and the greatness of that riff.

it's pretty normal to compare new to old being axl decided to use the name for two seperate bands and some of us experienced both eras

I'm sure some debate DLR n Sammy hagar

I never thought I'd say this, but I think this CD might actually be worth 15 years.... I don't know... But I think: maybe.

Nah.. It won't be better. It's just that simple.

not another one of these threads.. GNr was massive when teh illusions came out, people lined the streets... This will not happen for this album except for us people here buying 25 copies each..

Nothing was worth that wait, a wait only seems worth it because it's finally over..

No. It will not top Use Your Illusion 2. This album is pure genious.
It may be better than UYI 1 though.

As much as i like what i have heard from the new GnR nothing so far has compared to the opening riff on Welcome to the Jungle. I guess that's what makes AFD the fantastic album that it is. The Blues has offered the best CD has to offer so far and that song is about as good as any of the epic's on the UYI albums.

in quality it may be better, but remember that the illusions albums have been rolling in our heads since we leard to listen to music, and is very special to some of us. So i dont think that its fair to put the albums up agains each other.. Illusions will always have a place in our hearts, and im sure there is a safe place for CD also.

From the view of a New GNR listener, who never have listened to any of the albums, would be the onlyone to give them a fair judgment.

Thats just my opinion! ?:yes:

Absolutely true....... but I think those of us that lived through both eras of gnr and vh know the original is the best and can't be duplicated but that is not to say that the new bands can't make good music...maybe even a hit...I think it's just pointless to compare...we all know where the magic was.

Ryan_of_Lax

I totally care about the music side of things. I don;t give a shit about amount of radio play. in fact i get sick of songs played time after time after time.

IMHO these songs aren't even in the same league as the old songs. now that's not saying that they ar enowhere near as good, it's saying that it is a totally different sound and direction, from what i hear so far anyway. They have a slight industrial feel to them but at the same time Axl has retained the rock side of things in GnR, it's like a meshing of several styles together and its cool. i think so far it sounds fantastic. It hasn;t really taken 15 years to record this first orig album since uyi's but more like 5-6 years (approx '99 till whenever, 2005 is the last time we heard about studio activity, not bad for nearly 32 complete songs, if that rumor is even true)

The old GnR songs are classics, it's like saying could Pink FLoyd top Dark side of the Moon or Page and PLant top Led Zeppelin II or IV? highly doubtful. But I feel these new leaks are a definate good start towards a new chapter in the GnR history.

Don't worry too much what the general populace feels towards this new music, if anything it only serves as a bug in the ear of the public that Axl and Co are still alive and working towards an album, if the music is good enough whne CD is finally released, everything else will fall into line in due time : ok: I'd rather the album sell cuz it's really good instead of it selling good cuz a shitlaod of publicity was shoved down everyone's throat, thats how bands loose public interest. ?Look at Metalica's St Anger. that peice of shit was hyped to high heaven and it stunk, if they would've just kept their mouths shut it may have done better. look at their approach this time around totally opposite. and another Example is TooL, they never highly publicize their comings and goings but they always have steady sales.

I think with massive media promotion 1-2 months before the album is released, they could get the people to wait in front of the record stores.
Just think of a promotion like "10 years in the making" or "15 years after the last original gnr material"

Appetite For Destruction is unique and changed the Rock music. It's unfair to compare CD with Appetite.

Here I will agree with you Mike.. ? As much as I love Axl and love and like some of the new songs...It will never compare to the old.. ?See what happens when you compare either way. ? This GNR and old GNR two different animals. ?

People do and will compare all GnR material. How can i relate to the IRS, and songs about A's ex or so i keep on reading about. VR should do a song about Axl called: Get Over It (and move on).

From the info we have, writing didn't really begin in earnest until '98 or '99 so i think it's safe to say 5-6 years of recording at most. which isn't band for 2 1/2 albums worth of material (If 32 songs are truely in the final stages)

Ha, good one!  Axl's vocals on VR's music would be sick.  Axl vocals on nuGNR's music is sick.

Pantera did a song called "Yesterday Don't Mean Shit!!!"  :hihi: basically about that. The only thing that counts is today

Thanx, must check that song out  ;D


Has anyone else noticed what appears to be a large number of new people signing up to this forum and starting new threads over and over  ???

Mike, alot of these newer fans just dont seem to realize how it really was back then. All they get to do is read about it in forums and magazines. Anyone who actually experienced that craze has to know it cant be like that again. Just because the whole planet doesnt split apart on CD release day doesnt mean it cant be great. These people that think this album is taking over the universe are going to be in for the shock of their lives on release day. Us realists know better, but we'll let the dreamers dream. :hihi:

No it isn't/won't

You said it James, If you expect a brand new album to eclipse one of the greatest albums ever you are just waiting for a letdown.

What it comes down to...

Old GnR > New GnR

Everyone can understand that. Axl is great.. Knows how to write a beautful song but Slash and Co. knew how to transform it into a slap in the face, punch in the gut rock n roll.

Naaaoooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! really? :hihi: (it sucks but it'll calm down a couple days after the leaking is done, just a little patience) Until them my thoughts and prayers are with the Mods :rofl:

I don't think he did, I think its been the media and all the hired musicians that have hyped it up more than anything. I think when Axl started hiring musicians in 1998 he didn't really intend to make an album that he thought would outsell or rival the old material. I think he was making music just to make music, after all he is just an artist. I get tired of people saying ohh, "he spent 10 years working on this, and its far from a masterpiece." In actuality I don't think he spent that much time on it and with the revolving line up of hired guns, I can see how some delays occurred. Either way, I am greatful that it finally seems we will get 13 tracks that he has chose to share with us. I can't wait man. :peace:

I think he's a bit too modest for that kinda shit.

Look at his reactions to his songs from what we've heard

At a strip club a stripper plays NR for her dance and he blushes
At Korn party they play PC and he blows it off saying the DJ is playing "crappy music"

its getting out of control. there is just too many threads, and there about the same shit. how many different threads does there have to be about the new songs. hell, that minnesotanewsguy created like 20 radio threads before they were locked.

BLS, you are dead on.  None of these songs has given me a hard on yet the way Paradise City, Rocket Queen, and Coma does.  But, we can love it for what it is.  I do love it, but it doesn't have the sexyness to it the old GNR did.  We shall see, but I need guitar playing with balls.  Bucket sure does have some chops though.

!!!!!!

Imagine what Slash would do with the solo in Twat....... :drool:

i'm talking quality.
and i'm new...
"not another one"... lmao, just don't read it then, mr. experienced poster.

And this is after a few leaks....wait until CD drops.  its going to be MUCH worse!  :-\

Lyrics: Velvet Revolver - Get Over It  (and move on)


Chorus: Scott, Slash, Matt and Duff (all at once)

Geeeeeeeet - ooooooover - iiiiiiiit!!!
Geeeeeeeet - ooooooover - iiiiiiiit!!!
Geeeeeeeet - ooooooover - iiiiiiiit!!!
Geeeeeeeet - ooooooover - iiiiiiiit!!!

Hey DildoDog, you're a fuckin clever guy.  Actually though, the above quote would be an improvement on their lyrics.   :beer:

Nope, we said that

Axl never claimed it, but we do because we know that Axl is a musical genius from his previous work.  He has so much potential.

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Axl say this was an album for him.

To answer the post...umm...YES!  I can honestly say everyone I've spoken to here has listened to each demo at LEAST 20 times.  I think that shows ya care, how 'bout you?

Jameslofton was right.  The good discussions about the music have found their way to page 2.  Time to get 'em back on page 1!!!   : ok:

no, he didn't

I love the demos we've heard so far, but as for people that are dissapointed, you might never be satisfied.? Listen, the album is not going to sound like it took 10 years to make, plain and simple.? It has the possibility of being one of the greats, but for people and critics alike that think this album is going to bring harmony and world peace you will be dissapointed.

Axl never promised it would do that.. in fact he never promised us anything.

You said it.  Summed it up perfectly.

If they're not pleased with TWAT, then nothing will please them, cause this song is off the hook.

I hear that! :beer:

It is entirely fair to judge it against the time it took to make. He made classic albums in a 1/10 of the time with his old bandmates, and essentially broke the band up to take us in this direction. All the while telling us his vision was better than what GNR was doing.

So if Estranged and NR were put on an album within a couple year time frame, then he better far exceed the quality of those to justify having taken the band in this direction and made everybody wait. At least that is how every critic and the general public will view this, and rightfully so.

As I said in another thread-this delay and all the drama behind it was never about pleasing critics or revolutionizing rock and roll-it was and is about axl satisfying himself that hes put out the best production he can. people will take what they want from it.

If TWAT does not satisfy a GN'R fan, then nothing ever will.

It's all there - amazing songwriting, decent lyrics, a fantastic arrangement, Axl's voice, amazing guitar parts and a fantastic atmosphere.

This is some really good music.

What more could you ask for?

Who's saying this album took 10 years to make?  We don't know how much time Axl has put into the album...

Axl's fax after Slash left gave some sort of statement about releasing an album of sorts within a year, and that was in early 1996. So there is your 10 years, regardless of how many times the line-up and other things have changed.

yeah, but with all of axl's mental issues, revolving band mates, and other distractions.. its safe to say he was not working on this for 10 years every day. I think he probably let this sit around for 5-6 months at a time.. then go back and work on it hard for 2 months, etc.... I think its whole production was very erratic at times.

I'm happy its finally done though.

If a song like TWAT was released under the guise of the Axl Rose solo band it would probably not face those comparisons. It would be taken for the great song it is, rather than it's not as good as estranged or NR. Which is why it drives me nuts sometimes he insists on using the name, because it invites a whole host of criticism that otherwise wouldn't be there if he was using a different name.

Great we have another of Axl's former shrink on the board again ::)

Dizzy was the one who said Silkworms wouldin't be on the album,not any of us


Is that song [Silkworms] expected to be on the album?

No. It kind of went away. I mean we actually played it a few times live... but... I'm sure it'll up at some point.
 http://www.metalsludge.tv/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1152&Itemid=42

What I am saying is that when people are depressed, sometimes they procrastinate a lot... it is my opinion that at times over the years Axl has stopped working/production on this album for up to 3-6 months at a time. I don't know though.. it's just a thought.

The most intelligent thing I have read to today in this day of madness and I have been very guilty of postin utter shit today but fuckin hell Twat is awsome and  so is better.

I have to disagree with you. ?Like others have said, ?CD has been in the works for 10 years, however there had to be significant lapses of time between the writing/recording process.

In any event, tell me how this album can so much better than the classic GN'R material from the past? ?According to you, since "He made classic albums in a 1/10 of the time with his old bandmates", than CD should be 1000% better than AFD or UYI. ?Its an unrealistic expectation. ?

It is important to ensure commercial success because this will be the first and last CD we get from New GNR if this flops. So you can probably understand then why the people who have been on this board for years would love to see the album do well commercially so that we can get another album at some point. The only way we see a follow up is for this to make major noise on an ecnomic front, otherwise this will be his swansong.

Yes he did.

I'm scared at how good "chinese democracy" could be, given the demo's we've heard...

well can't really compare them but I guess I prefer the most of the New songs so far to the most of the old ones.

So likely as not CD will be better than AFD and UYI. :nervous:

As to the Axl's comment, it was slightly different than that. And maybe we should read between lines?
Do you listen to music for the artist? I don't.

I think Axl is counting on fans like you- and people that will become fans after hearing the music.

And more, he said "I'd like to take some of the old gnr fans to the 21st century with us" :D

Yup. I became a fan before the old members started leaving, so I'm an old/new appreciator :)

I love 'em all!

Well considering I was 17 when AFD came out and was instantly a gnr fan and have been ever since..I will not even compare this new music to the old music.    I am looking at the new music as a new band completely.

how does hearing demos quickly become how this will be better then eevrything gnr ever did in their life time? Why does it always come down to that? Why not just enjoy the tunes and see what happens ?when cd finally hit

The first gnr was a revlotution, this one is a revival... ?Nothing is like the original in how the public reacts, we get plent of retro things that happen in life, bell bottoms, tie dye, daisy duke shorts, etc but the trend is never the same as when it was original..

I hope mucho success in keepingn the gnr name strong but I doubt there will be album sales like afd or the illusions.. Both together have sold 30 million+ at least in the usa alone..

Sales?
Hey read at least the opening post. Ooops look who's talking. :-X

Yes I mentioned sales but I also mentioned why compare.. :-*

i think if axl has a few great rockers like jungle, perfect crime and you could be mine to add to these great songs we've already heard it'l be better than old gn'r. But why does he need to be better anyway? use your illusion wasn't better than appetite, it was different. chinese democracy will be different,for axl to have musical integrity he needs to stay away from recreating things he's done before therfore it makes it hard to compare, would you rather have a releavant axl or a nostalgic axl?

im gonna say better than the illusions but not better than appetite

Great point. Its strange how people are just going crazy over this. Fuck, this strange reaction didnt even happen on UYI release day. How can a 80 second clip of Better top AFD? I've seen people people here say TWAT is the greatest song in the history of the world right after it leaked, after listening to it once or twice. Insane. Funny how a couple small leaks makes AFD and UYI irrelevant. :hihi: I think the main reason peoples opinions are to the extreme is because its the first new music in a million years. Once the excitement has died down a little, people might stop saying little clips are better than AFD, dark side of the moon, rumours, and led zep 4 combined. :hihi:

I agree. Wait till it's out before the comparisons begin.

James, you have to remember, alot of us here have been in fucking manic mode for the past 48 hours. ?My wife was wondering why I didn't eat anything all day and slept for 3 hours the last 2 nights. ?I'm too fucking happy to eat or sleep! ?You have to admit that the quality of this stuff has blown away all expectations. ?I'm not here to compare apples to oranges...but I can safely say CD's quality is at least on par with the UYI's if not "Better." ? ;)

 :beer: ? Here's to March!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ? ? ? ? :beer:
pinch me I'm fucking dreaming. ? : ok: ?

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Axl4Prez... I know exactly what you mean.

I spent the night before last completely awake, and slept for an hour the next morning, then woke up. Then LAST night, I thought I'd best get an early night, so I went to bed at 4:30 AM... :hihi: and I woke up quite early today, and I'm still awake!

I'M SO HAPPY!!! :beer: :love: :love: :love: And I KNOW its not a dream because otherwise I'd be meeting, talking with, and having hot and horny anal sex with Axl! :drool: :love:

IMO I just can't say anything would ever top the old stuff.   That's just MY opinion...I am not trying to start a war just saying is all.   Either band VR or GNR's new music.   As good or great as Axl's new stuff is and much as I like it or love it...I can't and wil not compare it to the old or think that the old stuff can be topped. 

I agree. I dont think the goal should be trying to top the old material. It cant be done. Thats like trying to say Robert Plant is trying to top his work with Zeppelin. Cant be done, and he knows it. He just enjoys releasing some damn good music and doesn't obsess over 'burying' Physical Grafitti.

You're right. When this album comes out, I'm not gonna compare it, or post in threads where people are comparing it. GNR and new GNR are two seperate entities.

   With the exception of the hot and horny anal sex with Axl Rose, I hear ya!  By the way, what's your phone #?   :hihi:  I kid, I kid.  What a great 3 days.  I need some sleep.  Let's hope for an announcement on Monday.  Good night for now.  Like I said, announcement of single release, announcement of album release, and pre-order info. set!  Is that too much to ask for?????  Good night.   :beer:

From what I have heard, the new  CD will not come  close to either. What a waste  of  time. 8 years for this garbage?
Aside from The Blues and Maddy, I have heard nothing special. And not even remotely close to the older material.

who have tried to bash him all these years.

I know this thread don't have much a point. I'm just wasted at my condo having a good time listening to these new tracks. I know some of you out there have to feel the same way though.... how funny is it going to be when Chinese Democracy tops the charts and all these moron critics/reporters look dumb as shit..... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Axl has truly come back to own all these fuckers... :hihi: :rofl: :hihi: :rofl:

Glad you're having fun - now please stop posting.

For one week, until people actually hear the music and say, what is this shit?

:hihi: What's my phone number? You cheeky monkey! Anyway it wouldn't do you any good, I live in England! Lol! Yea, what a great 3 days it has been! Right now its 5 AM and I'm still up and listening to T.W.A.T. ... until my computer starts dying on me and freezing the music on one note every 3 seconds... damn all the dust particles lying dormant in my computer... :crying:
Anyway, sleep well dude! Happy Gn'R dreams! Try to remember them, then the old Gn'R Dreams thread can come back to life! ;D

Krispy Kreme: ARE YOU MAD/DEAF!!!? :o :o :o *keels over in a dead faint*

But people aren't saying that.. it's been the most requested track here in detroit the last couple days. :hihi:

IMO, the new songs would  end up as outtakes/unreleased demos on ebay during the UYI era. I mean, really, they are nothing special, or have standards  sunk that low? I am simply amazed that anyone could think they are any good at  all. Everyone has his/her opinion and taste, but really, ask yourself if these songs are likely to be remembered in 10 years time, or are any likely to be "defining" songs of GNR. The answer is a resounding "No." And I reserve  the right to keep Maddy and The Blues as exceptions, because they are good. But the rest? A waste of time, musically (but I stipulate the lyrics  are good, but lyrics alone do not make a song).

Only because people are curious. Just wait. Even a highly anticipated movie opens strongly, and if it sucks it drops  like  a rock. So patience  is needed to make an accurate judgment.

That sounds pretty damn good right about now for anyone who is stuck at work.

Now just imagine the listening parties we could all have if CD gets released!

*le sigh*

.... each to their own I guess.

Ohh man, when C.D is released it will be played in its entirety every night I have a party at my place. My place is pretty big too so I have about 20-30 people over every weekend ranging from ages 19-27....

Thats why I'll be buying 10 copys of C.D.. so I can give out some to people who show interest in the new gnr!!!

Vocals sell songs though.  And as far as vocals, Axl knows a thing or two about how to do them. 

And I think the music is creative, it may not be the best as far as guitar skill go, but it is not the worst.

I don't think the albums should be compared.

I wouldn't compare AFD to Illusions, b/c they are musically different. 

You can't always write the same music for twenty years straight. 


If you compare GNR and Metallica from then and now, GNR is def. the better of the two now.  Can you imagine an origional gnr that put something as bad out as st. anger wat to metallica.

So I welcome the new band, but I honor what was. 

i'd like to go to one of your parties.  :-*
















to get the album for free  :hihi: :rofl: :hihi: :rofl:  :hihi:

i beleive this  :confused:

I'm a very well paid mortgage broker my friend. So well paid in fact I alread bought 10 tickets to Ministry(my other favorite band who is touring this summer) for all my friends.

I have no problem shelling out $150.00 for 10 copys of C.D and spreading the wealth to others... I want Mr. Rose to keep making music and I will play my part helping him sell records. : ok:

Let's keep all the "wohoo, axl roxx and so forth" posts in on thread.


Edited to say
And what do you know... I managed to merge this into a wrong thread... Look what you people made me do...  :(  ;)

I think axl is going to need to have a few anthoms in this cd  that appeal to the non hard rock listening public  for him to be successful in his comeback.   If Axl is depending on the rock community alone  for his success  than he is doomed.  the new songs are really good  but not even close to what is needed for him to survive this comeback(maybe madagascar could be one). I would say that around  85-90% of the rock listening public  hate axl with a passion.  i have been visiting non gnr rock message boards  and they all for the most part are saying that these new songs suck  because of how they feel about axl .  I think if axl wrote another "stairway to heaven"  they would still say it sucks.  i would like to know  exactly when it was that axl became to most hated artist in Rock in Roll. Was it in the early 90's when kurt kobain announced how much he hated axl?? i think Curt has a lot to do with this shit.  People love slash but hate axl    i don't get it .   I guess  we will find out when Chinese Democracy is released , it is just too bad  that axl  has to begin his journey  at a negative instead  of zero.   

                       

                                P.S   axl's songwriting is brilliant  but the guitars need alot of work in these new songs     

                                        hopefully they will be  on the final cut.

Cmon dude! This is just the media conspiracy propaganda. Been there done that. It never existed. If you really believe this stuff, could you tell us who the second gunman on the grassy knoll was? :confused:

Never understood people that need to have what they want be 'successful'.  If you love the music....then what the hell do you care if other people like it or not?

Some of my favorite bands NO ONE likes.  But who cares...on a sunny day when i am driving down the road with my windows open BLASTING "BETTER" what do i give a shit if anyone else likes it or not?

1) Axl never told anyone that he's going to release something perfect - this is just hype & media created bluff
2) yeah guitars aren't that good but remember we still haven't heard anything from studio (except for Boston 2002 promo which rocks IMO), including Oh My God which was in fact also a demo. so don't worry about guitars ;)

do you work for MTV  ::)

go knock door to door over the world n' ask if they like or hate Axl, dont judge on fuckin' msg boards, besides, who gives a shit!!

Dick Cheney


Axl just needs to put out a quality product and a market will develop. The band lost fans when UYI 1&2 came out but they also tapped into a new fan base. The same will happen here.

I know some (if not most) GNR fans hold the UYI albums highly, but I don't number myself among them. In fact, I pretty much despise all of UYI I as a whole - It's a sloppy, boring, and overlong record.

I love II though, even though it has it's patchy moments (GITR, Shotgun Blues, So Fine).

For me, personally, I already like the Chinese Democracy material more than either UYI record - It's more ambitious, but it's also more focused and exciting. There's so much energy and creativity in these songs, but they don't feel overcooked like the UYI material.

As for it being better than AFD... well, that's a huge challenge. It's possible, but I'm not expecting it to top AFD.

just heard twat, if it's all as good as this it'l be better than anything they've done before.

woo hoo why do people do this? i mean like act like there not intentionally trying to brag about there money idk  I guess i hate it cuz my cuzzin always like does it and i just want to tell her ppl wont like you cause you have money

Whats with this Guitars need a lot of work stuff??

On these new songs the guitars kick ass! The guitar work on TWAT in particular is some of the best I have heard in years! Makes the hairs stand up on my neck!

Well if its true that 80-90% of the rock community hates Axl, and because of Kurt Cobain, then they all deserve a huge big kick in the nuts. And I hate to say this, because I always say you should respect the dead, but Kurt Cobain was a fucking asshole who HATED Axl even though he didn't even know him.
Everyone LOVES Kurt because he was clever enough to shoot himself in the head, and BECAUSE they LOVE Kurt, they hate Axl.

AND THAT IS SOME FUCKED UP SHIT RIGHT THERE!!! :rant:

People should like who THEY like, and hate who THEY hate!
EG: Kurt fans should quit hating on Axl simply because Kurt hated him. It proves they are ALL fucked up people with sheeplike tendencies. This goes the other way too. Axl fans should quit hating on Kurt because Axl hated Kurt. That ain't even true!! Axl didn't hate Kurt! He didn't even know Kurt hated him!

I have had this debate many a time. KURT STARTED THAT RIVALRY!! NOT AXL!!! :rant:
Those emo fuckers who worship Kurt because he was "emotional" need to wake up, take their heads outta their asses, and SMELL THE GODDAMN COFFEE!! If the UYIs and Lies (and even AFD to a certain extent) aren't emotional, I don't know what is! People only thought Kurt was emotional because he dressed like a hobo, was a heroin addict, had a hard childhood, and wrote incredibly cryptic lyrics! And those same people thought Axl WASN'T emotional because he dressed WELL, they didn't even bother reading about his childhood, and was notoriously controversial. Oh, and wrote lyrics that weren't a bunch of weird sounding words put together.

::)

I think before anyone hates on anyone, they need to do some fuckin' research first, to find out if its worth it... because really, if you hate on someone and say things about them that aren't true... you're gunna look fuckin' stupid and you deserve a kick in the nuts!

Yes I do pity Kurt. He had serious problems, which weren't exactly helped by that stupid bitch Courtney Love, nor his bloody stupid addiction to heroin. The silly cunt shoulda stayed in rehab!! Then perhaps he wouldn'ta blown his head off. AND THEN he wouldn'ta been so fucking overrated! Yes Nirvana were good, but they weren't anything to be written about as extensively and as overrated as they are!

Umm... *reads above stuff in post*

Okie I'll shut up now before I end up repeating and contradicting myself! :rofl:

A lot of people haven't been waiting for this album, so it really doesn't have to be a masterpiece to be successful. All he needs is some good music that can get interest on the radio and with songs like Better I don't doubt he can do it...

*rubs skynardgirls shoulders* calm down... You're scaring the children, grasshoppa...

I agree with what the majority of the people have said in this thread:

Why the fuck do you care who doesnt like Axl (Who really knows Axl? Less than 20 people REALLY know Axl I'd bet)? I love Axl. I love his music, his songwriting, his passion and his amazing freshness to the whole rock world that he provides. I enjoy it, and if the next Joe Schmoe doesnt, fuck him, I dont need his opinion around me.

I don't doubt he can do it either... ChiDem will rock the whole world! I know it! :peace:
And thanks... :hihi: Sorry... I think I just got a bit overexcited there! ;D I do that sometimes... I have a tendency to try and get ALL my points across all at once... and I usually end up repeating myself. :hihi:

It has alot to do with Axl showing up hours late to shows or not showing up at all.

Nomination for funniest thing ever posted in these parts :yes:

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Funny James and agreed...It's impossible to even guestimate percentages are going to be when CD comes and how many people he will win over or not, or even how many dislike him and the new band.

Axl doesn't have to do anything. He's rich.

I think there is some truth to the original post....I wouldn't go so far as to put percentages on it, but I feel there is definitely some anti-Axl sentiment out there:  I think hes blamed for breaking up the original line up, he has the cancelled shows and/or late starts to shows, waiting forever to hear new music etc....
personally, I love all that stuff (but glad I never had to deal with any of it hehe) and to me thats what makes Axl, Axl.  Thats rock n roll.
I've said it a few times before...the success of CD in terms of album sales and what not will be determined by the critics. And if they don't like it, the fans will have to make this record number 1 by calling radio stations/mtv etc....

There are definitely Axl haters out there, alot of them, I just think that this can't be predicted.  The success of CD will go 3 ways...GREAT, BAD or Medioca.   I guess we shall see.

Oh BTW...I agree that in the 80's and 90's Axl being tumultuous definitely made him, him and was intriguing.... to me anyway, even now all this time waiting...sorta wouldn't be him..I remember in an old interview he did with kurt loder right at the kickoff of the UYI tour...he referred to himself as a brat...that he is.. :yes:

:hihi: And that's one of the many reasons why we love the man! :yes: :love:

Personally, I don't think you can compare the demo's that were leaked to the finished products of AFD or UYI.

If i did compare them, I will say I like the classic songs better than the new material.

I had friends listen to the new material that are not die-hard fans and it was very unanimous that the classic GnR was 1000 times better than the new material and they went on to say  that VR's music was better as well. 

The feedback was Axl's voice was annoying and the music sucked.

I myself thought there was some potential to the new stuff.  I just don't think this album will be as big as many other people who post on this and other related boards think it will.

Appetite is, in my mind, the best rock album ever made. I doubt Democracy can come too close to that, but it has a shot at UYI. Still, think of what UYI had (ex. Don't Cry, November Rain, Civil War, YCBM)...it's gonna be a really awesome record if it's as good as UYI, but I think it will come up just a little shy of that.

I don't think it will be as good as either from what I've heard :(

I agree...I think AFD is in a category all of its own.  Its an album that really changed the rock scene.  CD MIGHT be able to do that only b/c of how horrible the rock scene is today, but I don't think it will measure up to AFD....I mean since 87, has ANY album come close? (sorry, Nevermind doesn't do it for me - I think its remembered more for its signifying the end of the 80s rock scene then as an unreal album on its own -- when I hear songs from it now I get so bored, they're unplugged is a better disc if you ask me).

^^ Agre 100%, when AFD 1st hit the scene, I thought it was the best rock album since Zeppelin IV or Houses of the Holy...and since AFD, the only thing that really came close were the Illusion albums but there were to many ballads and filler IMO to really compare favorably to AFD.

I'm gonna get crucified but the best pure rock album in the 2000's IMO was Contraband.

If you're looking at pure rock, I'll stand with you and say Contraband was a breath of fresh air in a time where rock was either too pop or too scream-filled, preachy and repititive among bands.

hey i love contraband but ill pri get shot in the dick for saying that im a huge fan of shinedowns new shit....i loved their first album and was excited to see there new one come out...I truly enjoy it.....with the current state of rock there is a huge chance CD could change a few things...i would love it....

Funny, in the 80's the best pure rock album was AFD IMO

90's UYI's (??) IMO

see a trend?

You see there's gonna be a lot of ppl bitching CD doesn't sound as great as they expected when it's finally released. No matter how great it might be, ppl are gonna complain.Some ppl are just never happy with anything. Truth is, for us real GnR diehard fans, it doesn't matter,really. If Axl recorded the the sound of his fart and released a cd entitled "Axl Rose's farting remixes - No democracy,no right to vote- Just listen up and smell the smoke? we would buy it and smile proudly saying no one else blows wind like he does.Some other ppl will say it is poor musically or that he didn't eat enough cheese the night before so that's why it doesn't sound so great. I mean, wtf is your problem? If you go back and check Perfect Crime or November Rain demos they sound like sh*t. It is hard to believe they turned out to sound so great in the final version and honestly, from the songs we've had opportunity to check out , even being only demo, I thought they rocked. I agree that ppl have different opinions but that sorta makes me understand why Axl has been so reclusive. Songs are great, his voice is perfect , but ppl are always gonna complain. This, me thinks, is one of the reasons he's so compulsively perfectionist and reclusive and is one of the reasons for the delay of the album.
I would be more than happy if all songs were as 'simple' as Better. I don't need any BS, sophistication,complexity or any of that crap that annoying ppl like to expect. I mean, just his voice singing nice lyrics with nice rhymes and a good rhythm guitar and solo accomplishes for a perfect CD for me. What else could I expect when I put a Guns n Roses cd in my car's cd-player and turn up the volume? No more ?I'm not happy with the final results.?What else do you want ? Axl wrapped up in ribbons delivered in your house by Fedex?
Give me a fuckin' break. If 13 years is not long enough for you to listen that voice that makes you bang your head and yell ?yeeeeeah? frantically, maybe you should check the website www.ineedabiggerdildo.com to help you stop complaining and enjoy the moment for once!

Wait, did he just say, "me thinks" ?  :hihi:

Awesome, my life won't be the same after that one

i remember a time when axl didn't give a fuck what other people thought

now he cares too much what every tom dick and harry thinks

AFD will always be special because it was their debut album, they came out of nowhere and shook up the music world.  AFD was the album that defined an entire generation of music, there's no question that Michael Jackson's Thriller and AFD are the two defining albums of the 80s. 

I still believe that UYI1 is the finest Guns album overall.  It's so strong from start to finish and is a diverse, complex album.  But AFD is their most important album when speaking about impact and what not. 

From what I've heard from Chinese Democracy, there's the potential that the album will stand up to these albums but in a different sense.  I think this will be a more personal and theatric album with less emphasis on ass kicking rock, and more emphasis on introspective songs.  I firmly believe that finished, studio versions of TWAT and The Blues can stand up with anything they've ever done.  "Better" and "IRS" aren't on the same level as say SCOM or YCBM, but in my opinion they're superior to songs like "Think About You", "Anything Goes" and so on.  They have produced material for Chinese Democracy that is superior to some of the songs that were on AFD and UYI 1 and 2, so it's not a stretch to think that musically it could well compare favorably to these, even though the type of music is not going to be the same

Dude! You're fuckin' funny!!
Tis true that most of us would call anything Axl released a masterpiece of true musical genius and stuff like that. But ya know, there's a reason for that! Its because anything Axl DOES release IS a masterpiece of true musical genius and stuff like that!!

I have to say though... I wouldn't mind Axl turning up on my doorstep wrapped in ribbons with a big FedEx sticker on his shirt... :love: :rofl: Actually, I can just imagine the look on his face!! T'would be hilarious! :love: :D

u cant compare CDS.


there will be people who wont give it the chance to be better than AFD just cause its a new band. I think it will be just as good as all their albums and im hopin to like it better.

Appetite entertains me but it doesnt take me to the emotional places that a lot of UYI's do.

So im hopin for an entertaining great record with no filler that takes me on a very emotional and spiritual trip.

IMO: Each album is its own Monster. You really cant compare. Each has a individual drive behind it.

Its why I like GN'R, nothing is redone, completely different feel. Its what true song writers do.
Unlike bands today like Simple Plan, everysong is a rip-off of the last.

Excellent point.

 I think you are right. The evolution of the old GNR was plain to see. At first (86-88) they just kicked ass every show. The intent was  to play straight up rock and knock people out  of their seat (or off their feet, as the case  may be). By 92 it was more of a "show" or "musical presentation," but not nearly as powerful. The 92 shows lacked the energy and power  of 88. The shows meandered, or, as Rolling Stone put,  displayed Axl's attention deficit. So the new  album will be less  powerful musically, but more personal lyrically. If one is into Axl's pysche the new  album may be interesting. If one wants to hear killer tunes with  catchy melodies and memorable songs, I think we  will be disappointed  (on the whole, with some exceptions). My opinion.

^^ the UYI Tour is part of what broke the original band up.....when it 1st started, it was just the 5 of them and by the end there was an orchestra and slew of back up singers....I used to have a video boot of them playing a show in Indy right b4 the Illusion albums came out and they played a stripped down version of November rain that sounded just fine w/out the orchestra.......but it ended up in a bloated production that turned everyone in the band off except Axl

it will blow everything away, mark my words.
we are in for the best record ever made and i will be right there applauding its arrival.

I understand your point, but for accuracy sake, by the time the tour ended they were back to the stripped down version.

that may be a bit of an overstatement

I think CD will be more artistic and creative than AFD and both UYI's.  But again, great quality music doesn't mean it's gonna outsell either one, or even come close.  Marketing timing is everything.  If they can somehow "make it cool" for today's mainstream audience it will do wonders.  If not, it'll likely be considered a commercial disaster and a huge letdown coming off ten years of hype and expectation.  I'm not confident that there are enough hard core Gunners left for the album to rake in the kind of profit that they're probably hoping for (I sincerely hope I'm wrong).  It's gonna need some help from the mainstream which sucks because today's kids are into some stupid-ass shit.

actually he always cared what others though of him.
i remember reading an interview with him from about '92 where the interviewer asked him why the biggest rockstar on the planet would care what other people said about him.
he answered "i don't know. i just do."

^^ that may be true in 92; but back in the 80's when AFD was 1st making a mark that wasn't the case :peace:

Damn media images.


Didn't your dad say the same thing to you, many many moons ago? :hihi:
by contraries that may give GNR an advantage. 

It's gonna be better than "Magic Collection" by David Hasselhoff definetly but I don't know if as epic as "The Wall" from Pink Floyd.

he he he  :hihi:

Stupid thread...  :drool:

While it may seem asinine to compare demos to an (almost) 20 year old classic, is it that much of a stretch? I honestly think these songs are of Zeppelin/Lennon/McCartney quality, even if they are demos. I can't tell you how much I want this puppy to come out.

Oh I think the album's quality has no need to be questioned as IMO I think it should be fucking great.
But surpassing AFD I don't think that's going to happen :no:

TWAT, IRS, Better, The Blues, Catcher In The Rye and Madagascar could all be legitimate classics...

Add another four or five quality songs and you have a phenomenal album.

Anything's possible. But, we won't know til' the motherfucker's out.

it has illusion's capabilites but has nothing in common thus far with afd, those are amazing songs with mega rock solos and guitar anthems, nothing from what I have heard on the new tunes.. it's like comparing the song CD to PC or wttj ,just not feelingi it... it will have the diversity of the illusions and more of that sound.. Maybe even more pop rock oriented radio friendly music too

I fucking hate Beatles, I respect them, But I hate the music

Chinese Democracy needs A LOT MORE ROCK N ROLL to supass AFD, not talking about sells, I?m talking about rock n roll music that Guns used to do, the ROCK N ROLL that I heard in the song CHINESE DEMOCRACY