Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Judging from the crappy quality bootleg, it seems like Axl is singing with a way rougher voice than Rio/2002. My Michelle and You Could Be Mine sound great! Just like the 87-93 Axl. A lot of peopel complained of Axl's voice being too clean in 2002.. What are your thoughts on his singing now?

where can i hear these boots

Axl's voice has been discussed in 4-5 other threads. ?It was (as we say in Boston) Wicked Pissa :-)

Listen to "Out Ta Get Me"? :drool:

Hopefully he can keep it up thru the tour.

yes, his voice was fantastic.

u can tell he really has worked on it.

Yeah from the boots.. You can tell his voive is way better than 2002.

Wooooo!! I just heard a bit of november rain....He sounds goooooooooood!! His voice is indeed waaaaay better!!!  :D


Nightrain.!!!! awesome. He's ripping!!  :D

You read my mind! ?Out Ta Get Me isn't even in my Favorite Top 20 GNR songs ever, but last night, it fucking rocked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ?For some reason, from where I was sitting in Mezz2, the high volume of the instruments drowned out alot of the vocals for the first few songs. ?By the time The Blues and Out ta Get Me came on, they got it perfect. ?We need more of the shut the fucking instruments down and let Axl sing, like the last, "I would do anything for you" on TWAT. ?It was fucking amazing!!!!!!!! ?:love:

His voice in IRS was terrific... :o

It's much better now. Hope he can keep it - and even improve it a little bit more - for the rest of the tour.

THANK GOD I come here to  find that people recognized how incredible his voice was.

I've seen him live multiple times since 1988 and that is the best I have ever heard his voice live.

Out Ta Get Me was a definite highlight.

I really had never thought about how hard IRS is to sing until last night.  But he pulled it off.  I'd love to see him try Catcher In The Rye live - it seems to me as though that song has too many layered vocals to do live - but I'm sure they could figure some way to do it.

Axl's voice was fucking AMAZING!! He must've worked with a great vocal coach this time around. :o

He also hit all the high parts in the middle of "Better." ?If anyone has audio from last night, could you please pm?

I just heard a bit of The blues....and.......he is waaaaaaaaaaay waaaaaaaaay better then 2002. So much power in the end!! So different then 2002...... I can't believe how much he improved. Out Ta Get ME...........thrilling!!! I think we can say..........YEP HES BACK IN BUSINESS  :beer:

I just.....fuck.........this is great......goodd goodd

 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

IRS...... wooow  :drool:

axl's voice was great,he was so loud and clear, he rocked..

you went to the show?  You probably seen the most awesome gig ever!  :D



I hope I get to see em in Nijmegen soon  : ok:

From what I can actually hear, like the end of TWAT, and the video for Jungle....he sounds incredible.

Its just from the audio all I can hear is that one guy singing so out of key. So I cant hear Axl that good. But I will see him tomorrow night, and I will be able to hear it in person. I cant fuckin wait, I am so pumped.

his voice is definetly betther than 2002, might betther than the 87-93 era imo

axl's voice was fucking AMAZING at the show.. it was damn near perefct

sounded good yeah

i agree his voice sounded excellent last night, seemed to get stronger as the night went on!

hell yeah and as the tour rolls on it will rock more and more, AXL IS FUCKING BACK!!!! ;D
his voice from the boots sounds just as good as it did during the UYI era! :o :drool:

His voice was unbelievable.  The band sound very tight too.  Except for November rain Solos and part od patience.  Night Train was ther best.  They went bezerk.  Robin in the crowd was awesome too. 

perhaps al that shit about axl saving his voice for recording was true???

stop saying "night train" for fuck's sake how much of a fan are ya! :rant:

no way.....he just couldn't pull it off somehow back in 2002.........now he can......he must have been practising and working out and stuff. He's on top of the world again!!!  :beer:

you're probably right, i'm kinda getting the impression that axl wasn't in a good way back then. Although the shows back then were great, the axl in 2006 seems very different to the one from 2002.

i agree, this will be the year for sure! :beer:

i just heard the boot, holy shit @ axl's voice on OTGM!!!! :o
can anyone say 1988? fuck, he's ready to rule again!!! :o :drool:

i didnt get a chance to catch the show last night so i have to ask. how was axls voice. did he hit all his notes solid? not like 2002. and is there any videos or bootlegs out of the show.

Flawless, better than the illusion tours!  :beer:

Check out Appetite for Collection, they're dealing with all that over on that section.  : ok:

Like many of you, all I have heard is the audio boot with the audience member "singing" (if you even want to call it that).  Lesson to all.  If you see someone with a mic near you, SHUT THE F*CK UP.   :rofl:

Can't wait for closing night...

that guy was just as pumped as everybody there!he was enjoying the show just like any of us here would of  : ok:

I am one of the people that was very hard on Axl in 02' because his voice really sucked  and sounded like someone had kicked him in the balls.  Last night Axl was the total opposite  , i heard the bootlegs  and his voice kicks ass , he sounds like the old Axl.  His voice is deeper and raspy, nothing like 02'.  I am just wondering , do you think he sang like that on purpose in 02' or do you guys think  he got himself a voice tutor  and worked out his problem?   Not just is his voice back  but his rock look is back , everything was perfect.  I have a question for those that attended the show .  Was Axl's showmanship different than 02??   Did he dance with his mic stand more  and did he head bang a little more in this performance??

Maybe NOT better than the illusion tours....but better than 2002  ;D

Are you Speed-Stone?

From what i've heard up until now, it's ama zing. : ok:

His voice sounds amazing.

The vocals on My Michelle, Out Ta Get Me and Better from the NYC shows are insane.

Like it or not, I think he sounds better than ever.

Well his voice on Better was definately better than the illusion version............ wait............  : ok:

i saw the low quality welcome 2 the jungle vid n sum parts it reminded me of 02 and sum of 88... so do u think his voice is back? or are people just excited 2 see him n dont care about the voice?  Cuz 02 was a dissapointment vocal wise 4 axl i hope hes changed 

I think people who actually attended the concert could answer this, because in my honest opinion you just can't tell from the bootlegs.

MOst are excited he is back and think he sounds great...

His voice is better than MTV VMA...but not nearly as good as UYI tour, ?with that said that was what 15-20 years ago.

From someone whose voice was once trained :

Yes; he did a VERY GOOD  job.

 : ok: :peace: :-* :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :)

I just got home from NYC. I live in OHIO.  I thought his voice was as good as I've ever heard it.

 I was there Friday.  It's such a small place, the noise level was very high.  I couldn't get a great feel for Axl's vocals for a complete song until Out Ta Get Me.  They were top-notch!  Amaaazing and much better than '02.  The ending to There Was a Time for me was my highlight.  It's one of the few times instruments weren't on Volume #11 (Spinal Tap reference there)  when Axl was singing.  It's such a difference from '02 when at times Axl's voice was a bit high.  Just so people know I'm objective, I did like LALD from '02 better.  I'm a sucker for Axl holding the scream for 16 to 20 seconds...it was unbelievable in '02.  Friday nights was shortened.  I honestly think he was excited as hell for this, it was a beautiful thing to witness still.  Axl Rose is back!!!    8)     

The great part is you can really hear what Axl's capable of when he's singing with Sebastian - having to compete against Bach's vocals brings out the best in him.

I'm gonna wait till I hear some soundboard recordings or a TV broadcast, a la the VMAs. When I saw the first Vegas show (01.01.01) I thought he had performed some vocal miracle, restoring his voice to the 86-89 version. But later when I saw the VMAs, and then listened more closely to boots (including a boot of Vegas 01.01.01) I realized how "technical" his voice had become. I know he can shred when he wants (he always nails Fuck Off in ISO), but I need to hear a clean professional recording to know if his voice is better, worse, or the same as 2002. The one boot we have to go from is incredibly poor. By the end of the summer tour we should have a pretty good idea. I do think the album vocals will be fine, because he won't be *protecting* his voice---or at least, I hope not!

I have to agree with Axl4Prez...Axl's vocals were unreal...it's hard to even describe how much better he sounded that 02..he sounded as good as the old Freddy Mercury Show, IMO.

The end of TWAT blew me away and on Better, he had the nasty snarl we have heard on the demos. 

One thing you can definately tell is, he hits each note he needs to perfectly. I think it was dark who mentioned that the difference was that this time he could hit the high notes without it sounding helium like. There were some parts of OTGM I could hear Axl's voice just awesome!

from the low quality boots ive heard, he does indeed sound better than in 02 - he needed to, because he sounded very poor in 02

Axl sounded unbelievable on friday, he just sounded so raw and...i cant put it into words, seeing him from the front row was an unbelievable experience, way better than the upper deck at msg(which by the way, still kicked ass)!!

He sounded very good as far as I could tell, but honestly everythings so loud that its hard to really discern either way.  I will say that I thought his mic was off for a few songs - I couldnt hear his voice at all.  I was about front row, so I could sort of hear his voice off-mic at times, but not much on-mic.  That was for the rocking songs however, he was pretty clear on the slow stuff.

especially on better it was worse than 02  :crying:

How can this be!?

Maybe because the guy is 4 years older... : ok:

I thought Axl sounded great last night.  And I could hear him much better than I could on friday.

did you attend the gig?

i think he sounded better on friday, but was mixed better on sunday.

I've only heard Better and The Blues but I would have to say he sounded better on Friday night from what I heard. ?Small sample though, so who knows. ?We'll see what tonight brings. ?As long as he's having a good time I'm sure he'll get into a groove in due time.

I just did listen the BETTER mp3 from last night (at apettite for collection) and notice that Axl?s voice was not 100% ... maybe is the quality of the mp3 ?? ????

he never sang Better in 2002 ?:P

he also admitted that he blew his throat out on Friday night remember its the 1st shows in 3 years its going to be rusty at 1st give the fucking guy a break he is back and once out on the road the cogs will loosen and we will have one motherfucker of a machine rolling over Europe and when he is back in the Us for Fall he will be ready

yep...i was there both Friday and Sunday. ?To me he sounded great both nights - not even comparable to whatever was going on with his voice in '02 - but there were lots of points during Friday's show where i couldn't hear him...guitars too loud or the mix being off or whatever. ?Last night the mix was a lot better and i thought Axl's energy level was terrific and his voice killed. ?just my opinion. ?

Axl's voice was shot (completely gone, as I understood it) after the May 12th gig and Bach refered him to a throat specialist who helped him out, but Axl was obviously still having problems last night.
This is being discussed on the May 14th show thread.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=30071.0

I think he meant he sounded worse singing Better last night than he did singing in general in 02.

I think if Axl wants to save his voice and not lose it again he needs to put less strain on his throat. I think if he could just sing in that dont cry/its so easy voice for most of the songs he would be fine. But he is singing pretty much every song in that high pitch shreking voice and that is gonna kill his voice. He cant afford to cancel one show because of any reason, legit or not. This band has to make every show or they are gonna be in big trouble.

Axl is a perfessional, and a proven perfectionist which leads me to believe he's had some serious singing lessons/vocal lessons since the '02 tour because now he can hit the hight notes with no trouble at all now, almost like he isn't even trying whereas in some shows back in 2002, he was gasping for air and struggled to sustain his voice.

Im sure he's only showing off the full amazing extent of his vocal range every show now because he feels confident to do so, and if it poses a threat to the tour, Im sure he'll adjust to what fits him.

youd have to change the whole songs, and practice them that way first. otherwise it wouldnt sound good if he is singing one way and the band is playing it another way.

I thought his voice was great.  I did think that his mic was off or something, as there were times I couldn't hear him that well.  I was in MEzz 1, so maybe it was my location?????

The band would not have to play the song any different, it would just be what voice axl was using. Just look at dont cry demo and the dont cry studio or live version. Axl doesnt use his shredder voice on the demo but did live and on the studio version.

Then Axl would be singing in a different key to the rest of the band and it would fuck up the songs.

He's singing now with the technique he used during the Illusion tour (with some exceptions) - and yeah, that's going to make his voice messed up eventually. Hell, he said he almost lost his voice after the performance.

The benefit of him singing like he did in 2002 is that he doesn't lose his voice. The drawback is that it sounds bad.

The benefit of him singing like he did in 1992 is that it sounds good. The drawback is that he'll lose his voice.

He has to find a way to balance the two.

While listening to Friday's show, I noticed Axl planned out what high notes he shouldn't hit that would strain his voice. He doesn't bother with the intro to "Welcome to The Jungle", for instance. ?I think that's a smart move.

"When you are a musician, You have to practize your music everyday, like a 9am to 5pm job, if not, you are dead" (Noel Gallagher, Oasis).

I dont think his voice could ever be worse than '02, but this doesn't mean it sounds 88-93 amazing these last few days.
His voice sounds great considering how old he is, the vocal range that the songs require and how long it has been since he did a real show.

exactly what i meant

no shit, he lost his voice the da before or someshit like that.

i asked there was a time, because he seemed pretty harsh with his statement : ok:

Ah is that why this dude was born dead then ?  :drool:

ok i need to get this cleared up because people are saying so many different things... is axl voice high like in 2002, like falsetto high, or is it more of the 90's rasp? i know his voice is stronger and more raspy now but excactly how similar is the voice to 2002?

Look, maybe axl was a bit sick ?

Do you nebver have a cold ?

For the first time in a while ,he's gone up on stage with an unbuttoned shirt, hot and sweaty and may have gone outside too undressed as he left ?

It could be the easiest answer.

And although i hate the thing, there are cortisone injections for people who need to sing right there and then ( dangerous though)..

It's like it was in the 90's, but he had a lot of problems with his voice last night, because he lost it the day before.

think of the '02 pitch w/ the 90's rasp.

90's rasp, definitely. I would say close to his 92/93 voice. Personally I like his 90's voice especially on the old songs. But I prefer his 2002 "new" voice on the new songs.

Having a cold doesn't cause you to you lose your voice.

do you realize how bad the shows would be?  The fans would sound better then he did.

The band will be in a hell of a lot more trouble if he sang every show in his deeper voice.

cold medication can dry out the vocal folds and make it difficult to make certain sounds. especially after straining them a day or two before.

Axl's voice is what it is. ?Might as well deal with it.

Listen, as a singer, I can tell you that these things sometimes just happen. Sometimes you can prevent it, sometimes not so much. The vocal chords are like muscles and, like any muscle in the human body, you cannot have complete control over its performance. The way in which Axl uses his vocal chords is very different from a lot of singers and therefore puts more strain on them.
Axl knows what he is doing, he is surrounded by professionals. Let's not think we're gonna speculate our way to a solution to whatever problems Axl has with his voice. It happens to every singer at one point or another.

actually it does, it makes it more difficult to sing, trust me.

hot Tea is great for the throat.

the best thing is to speak little to none after straining the vocal folds (they are not chords, they are flaps of tissue).

must sound fucking awesome! :o 8)
why the hell are people complaining?!

people are complaining because last night he lost his voice so he was out of breath alot.

You people really amaze me. ? I would rather have Axl singing great ?and risking throat injury ?then him singing like a little boy ?to save his voice. ?We wanted him to have his old voice back and we have it ? stop complaining you idiots. Has he cancelled tonight's show??? ? Has he cancelled the European tour?? ? NO HE HASN'T. Who cares if his voice is bad tonight or the next show ?as long as he is going balls out to give us the best voice he can ?that is all that matters. ? His voice is going to get stronger ?the more shows he does. ? ? So what if he gets bashed by reviewers ?. ?Every message board out there is bashing the hell out of him, ?it doesn't matter . ? The only thing that matters is that the shows are selling out ?and that everyone is leaving the venue with smiles on their faces. ?The day Axl doesn't have haters ?is the day he is dead. ?He will never be able to please ?the mass media ?and I like it that way . ? FUCK THEM ! ? ?There were only 3 things that were bothering me ?about Axl ?the last few yrs ? and those things were : ? 1. his jerseys ? 2. his high pitched boy voice ? and 3. ?Buckethead ?. ?Those 3 things have been taken care of ?and now I am happy . ? PLEASE STOP COMPLAINING THIS ISN'T AMERICAN IDOL IT IS ROCK N' ROLL. ?

on friday he sounded so good it was almost like listening to the albums

honestly, i didn't notice this. ?I thought he sounded terrific and strong last night despite having lost his voice two night earlier. ?

HIS VOICE IS LIGHT YEARS BETTER THAN IT WAS IN 2002

Exactly my earlier point.

Axl is up there with the best of them in terms of oustanding vocal range and capabilities.

IMO the problem with Better was not the sound of his voice, but he was completely out of breath. In fact that's an understatement. I thought the same thing after listening to Better from Friday's bootleg.

Regardless of this one song, Axl is sounding a lot more like he did in the old days. I can't wait for more complete good quality recordings to show up.

The Axl rasp is back! I am totally happy with the way in which he is singing. :)

about the european tour, during the 2002 american tour his voice (according to people who attended the shows) seemed to grow stronger as the tour went forward, it was much better at the end than at the beginning, much stronger. is there reason to think his voice will be even better at the end of this one? or is it reason to think he will damage it and sound worse if he continues like he did on friday? i have faith that since his voice is so much stronger now (like i predicted), it will remain powerful throughout the tour. 8)

I agree with everything above.

I'd challenge the logic that his voice is going to get stronger, though. With the schedule they're playing in June/July, there's a concert like every two days. His voice deteriorated over the course of the Use Your Illusion tour, and it will probably do the same during this tour if he maintains his current vocal technique.

prolly too much booze, cigars and weed coupled with the crazy singing :hihi: its what rock'n'roll is about :peace:

Not, it's teine and stresses vocal chords.

obviously this tour isn't as long as the use your illusion tour was, it's about the same size as the 2002 american tour, and people say his voice became increasingly stronger and better towards the end of the tour than what it was at the beginning. also, if his voice becomes worse throughout the course of the tour, is it likely that he will cancel shows? i remember him not being able to make a few (not many) shows during the UYI tour because his voice was literally damaged.

Yeah, he blew out his vocal chords and had to scrap a few weeks worth of shows.

Not sure what you mean by "stronger and better" - I thought Axl sounded bad at all of the 2002 shows.

The best example of the vocal technique he was using in 2002 can be heard via the Vegas 01/01/2001 bootleg - he was in shape then and wasn't having trouble hitting notes.

He is going to be fine, you'll see and SB is taking care of him. : ok:

I hope you're right.

The only thing I know is that the concert tonight will be awesome, no matter what.

Have faith. :-*

it will be something special alright! : ok:
gonna blow the roof off for sure! :smoking:

Axl isn't 30 yrs old and he'll have to try and pace himself and try hard to not party too much on this tour.

you seem to forget that axl is in better shape than most people. i think he'll be just fine, besides it's not like he's 60 or even 50, he's 44 for for christ's sake, and lookin' damn good at that. 8)

I saw Mick Jagger not 3 months ago, Axl's age is nothing to be concerned about.

ummm.... what stupidity! out of 2 pages of comments, only a couple seem even slightly sensible.

if you don't know what you're talking about. don't speak! or at least ask a question!!

singing in the 'its so easy' voice would not in anyway affect the key he sang in - how absurd! (Not unless he sang the 'Its so easy' melody over a diff song!! And not that you'd want him to anyway.)

Also, are people seriously saying that a cold will NEVER affect someone's singing ability or that you can't lose your voice?!? Surely everyone has 'lost their voice' at some stage and felt ill?!

Let's critique what we know rather than speculate. Fact is Ax's voice changed as the '02 tour progressed. Opinion is that it either changed for the better or worse. To me it certainly got better as his rasp returned (listen to The Blues at MSG and Boston vs early tour dates). These latest two shows seem to point even more to the Illusion era voice which I am over the moon about.

There, my two pence. :-)

I heard that first night his 'rasp/broken' voice sounded very natural. From the clips second night it seemed he had to force it on and it sounded really strained for him. In that case, I'd rather him just use the '02' voice (as people refer it to) and save his voice properly for the next night.

The opening night must have really taken it's toll after a few years out, so then to back that up 2 nights in a row after only a nights rest must be difficult. That could also be a reason for the shorter set 2nd night, knowing he has to back it up for the next night.

As the man himself tho would say, we really have no idea.. so it's all guesswork.

He's a big boy,he can figure it out. Let's just enjoy what he gives.

What is interesting is that in 02 he performed LALD amazingly, with huge 20sec screams where needed - much better than the 90s. But the voice in general was high pitched and whiney in other songs. It's like he saved the rasp for LALD and the jungle intro - although even then it sounded like a clean, controlled rasp.

Now he's got the rasp back and is def not sounding as nasal/whiney but cant seem to hold the notes as long - ie screams in LALD (which seems kind of like in the 90s when the screams were there but they were quite short or had to be restarted (jungle was often done in 'bits' (one scream broken into a few smaller ones with breaths in between) if that makes any sense). which does seem to make sense - if you're always using the rasp then its gonna be harder to sustain.

Anyway, hope i made myself clear enough! lol

Bob

I think he sounds great.  All artists voices change a bit through time.  They are never the same.  Axl sounds better know than ever.  I hope he doesn't listen to people's opinions but I'm sure he does.

As I said in the other thread. An amazing first night would have taken its toll in the second night, especially with only a nights break after so long. I suspect a shorter set might have something to do with the fact that he then had to back that up the following night.

Another thing to remember is, back in the Illusion days his voice was rarely perfect, so I don't know why people think it will suddenly be now.

axl's voice during "The Blues" on the 14th was just outstanding, i was speachless, i thought i was listening to a boot from 88' for a second there.

As long as he's in fine shape for closing night, I'm a happy guy.

Saw the MSG '02 tour and he sounded amazing.  I don't mind the "02 voice" all that much.  Something about hearing the word "nightrain" screeched at ungodly heights makes me smile.  And let's not forget the Live and Let Die scream.  It wasn't all bad, folks.  There was a time...

I am talking about the vocal tech he uses, not the low voice. The same as dont cry. It puts less strain on his voice.

He should do more new songs! They sound as though they are less ambitious vocally.

 yea his voice is better actually he sounds  more masculine when he talks :P :P :love:

He is not holding the notes for long on purpose so he wont fuck it up.

He sounds fucking great. I don't give two shit's about what people think otherwise.
Rocket Queen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y5uLM_t62E...%20n%27%20roses

Tell me he doesn't sound awsome. :smoking:

HIS VOICE IS BACK TO BEING LIKE 88-92    HE KICKS ASS   

i agree, but i'm sure it sounds 10 times better on the album, can't wait for it


rock n' roll

After hearing and seeing that vid clip of RQ.. Wow.. He still has it.

im speechless at that clip.he sounds no different to the actual recording on AFD.i hope his voice holds out for the tour!!!!!

That clip is great. Too bad it's not the full song :-\
Compare his voice there to Boston 2002 soundboards  :hihi:

Oh my god its too sweet.

There were a part here or there in 1 or 2 songs where he wasn't perfect, but god damn, who cares.  overall I was BLOWN AWAY by how good he sounded after doing 2 shows, PLUS this was the 2nd in a row.  Just amazing.

Axl is the rock pheonix rising from the ashes to start a new era of rock n' roll   : ok:

listen to Sweet Child o Mine from last night (15th). He sound EXACTLY the same as in 2002. Awful..

heres the link: http://gser.ethereal.net/sweetchild0501506.mp3

That link doesn't work, but NEWSFLASH - the original SCOM on AFD has an 02 style voice  ;)

Fukin hell all you people do is whinge whinge fukin whinge

if you didn`t attend the show just shut up.....

edit: i listened to the song by the way...   doesn`t sound bad at all. listen to scom tokyo 1992 dude...

in 1992 in tokyo axl sang SCOM much better than today cause he used his strong, raspy voice. Maybe in other songs he sings better than in 2002 (rocket queen for example) but in SCOM you can hear the helium voice again...:(

It was more the opposite. He couldn't sing it in the smooth original voice as it was so broken.

Im going to the show in Dublin... Its a few days before download I think..... But does any1 else think that he will probably hold back on putting much strain on his voice in Dublin in order to keep it fresh for download... or would he always give it his all..???

NEWSFLASH - You're so wrong.

i worry a bit about Axl's voice. it's definatly more like in the old day but i think he's been a bit to rough on his voice lately - can't blame him though, i bet he had some great parties the last couple of weeks.

if you listen to live and let die for example. he can't seem to hit the high notes and hold them at the moment, like he did in 2002.

on the 17th they played better half a tune (extra) down compared to the demo. i think because he can't hit those high notes  (to brake the chains...) easily at the moment.

hopefully it's better when they'll hit europe.

N ! 3 |(

ps. i still can't believe they did that acoustic performance... legendary!

He doesn't sound terrible but doesn't sound incredible either.  He sounds just ok,  he may be singing like that on purpose on this particular song to save his voice for the other more demanding songs.  I really don't care if he uses his raspy voice on SCOM  unless he was doing the "Sail away sweet sister " intro  .  Axl sounds better than he did in 02' but he is no where near the way he sounded during the UYI era.  There is no way Axl could pull off the " Sail away ..."  in his current voice .  If he did pull it off  he would probably have to leave the stage immediately there after because he would not have a voice left  .

yeah I think you're spot on there.
hopefully he gets it right before rock in rio.
so: no more drinkin' and smokin' cigars for you now my great red friend!  : ok:

have a great weekend everyone!

N ! 3 |(

did you attend the concerts??  if not listen at least to my michelle from 05. 15.... and stop complaining anyways...

In my opinion that intro is quite annoying actually, I'm glad he doesn't sing like that anymore.

I attended the concert on May 12. Axl's voice sounded much like the late 80s/early 90s. He sounded much more stronger than from the bootlegs of 2002. I wasn't sure the direction of the band because his voice was very weak on those bootlegs. Now I have no doubts about his voice and the band- even though I still miss the originals. In my opinion, he can probably still pull off Sail Away Sweet Sister if he wanted to. Guns N' Roses are back!

excellent. because he really did sound kind of week in 2002.

I think his voice will get better as the tour goes on and he gets in even better singing shape.
On the 15th, he sounded so good most of the show, I was in shock at how great his voice was at some parts. He was so loud.
Other parts it seemed like he was forcing notes that just weren't there yet. (it also could've been due to the monitor mix)
One thing is for shit sure, Axl is serious this time around and it will all work out perfect.

Bloody hell. So many people talking so much crap.

Look. He has OBVIOUSLY read all of the bicthing about 2002, how he sounds like an 'Out of breath chipmunk on Out Ta Get Me' etc etc. He may have done some vocal work to build a bit more strength back to his voice but not necessarily. He sounds just like in 2002 when he's not deliberately forcing a raspy voice. If you listen to IRS when it's clean and high, he's not putting much effort in. It sounds like the weak 2002 voice people hate. But on the older songs, especially the really hard ones, he tries really hard to sing them in a lower, raspy voice. He's straining to do it, though it does sounds awesome. But partway through some songs if he rund out of breath he will go back to the whiny weak voice. It takes EFFORT for him to sound old skool, it's not effortless like in 1991-3 when his chords were rogh and mangled.

On Better he sounds absolutely atrotious. Partly because the new songs are hard to sing. They use lots of different textures of his voice across different ranges and they're way more complex vocally than most of the older songs. Better requires a lot of power in a lower register, which he hasn't built up yet, but he will as the tour continues. Plus he's doing it for the first few times.

The Blues sounded absolutely fucking amazing, on the other hand, as it's now something he's sung many times, and he sang it in a fully raspy old Axl voice, and the same goes for Madagascar. In fact, it seems that when he's been continuously forcing and old style raspy voice, it's much harder for him to quickly move into the stupidly high range he used all the time in 2002. At the end of The Blues and in Madagascar he would sometimes go ridiculously high. The highest ever was the end of Jungle in London 2002. When he's doing raspy, he can't seem to make a quick transition to that anymore. But he can do a very high, strong rasp at the end of The Blues and in Jungle, it's just more like the old high notes he used to do.

IRS, he tries to sing the same way as on the demo. It's mostly very clean, whiny and high. The screaming bit in the middle he does very well, same goes for Better, but the rest of the song sounds bad and it will probably get better as his voice builds up and he practices the songs more. They're both very hard to sing. He's written far more complex vocal pieces than he did on Appetite and you can hear on the demos how hard he's pushing himself and that's hard to match live. He totally bailed on the high bit of IRS. First time he did a short lower scream, second time he didn't try at all, third time he just held a long very low note. But the stupid thing is he sings that high loads of times in Nightrain, Heavens Door etc. It just shows that the new ones are gonna need practice. They didn't do TWAT after the first night, probably mostly cause it's gonna take more time to get right. He said they were gonna bumble their way through.

I don't care what any of you fuckers say axl hasn't sounded so good since late 93 or 89. For most of the illusions tour his voice was destroyed and sounded like he gargled with bleach before he got on stage.

I was at all 4 shows in new york and while there was the odd moment where he struggled.... overall the dude is back on top of his game. He had the hungry look back in his eyes.... he wants this now more than ever. His voice was awesome and his performances inspired and provoking.

I'm tired of everyone beating up on the dude. He's back, playing new songs, doing interviews, and looking very happy and content with life. Isn't that what we've been waiting for since dec 2002. Be encouraging we are 'fans' afterall. Axl gets enough fucking slack from everyone else he sure the fuck doesn't need it from us.

Did Catcher leak?  Did I miss somethin ??? 

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Yeah catcher leaked like months ago dude

Why is everyone criticizing/questioning Axl's voice... just be glad he's doing shows. He's Axl fuckin Rose he knows more about his voice than you guys do, so quit acting like you're an expert, when you really don't know anything and enjoy the tour.

I somehow think opinions are part of message boards, or some what related to them.

Thats my picture can you get your own please.

I thought Axl sounded absolutely great!  No complaints!  It was awesome!  He's back, he's in top form, and anyone there at the shows in NY will probably say the same thing.  Those shows were just the top of the line.  I can't say enough about how amazing he is!

I was never a fan of the way Axl sang (or performed) between 2001 and 2003, and I knew it to be inferior with the ways of old.

Axl can now sing really well and hold his own (as he did on stage with the Yowler, sebachian bach) and Im sure he kicked Kid Rock's ass on Nightrain! He still not 100% of his glory, I'd say 80%, but thats a lot better than before.
I think Axl's getting his groove and you'll be seeing improvement in his rock star as he builds up experience and endurance.

MNW

I totally agree. I'll be @ the Rock In Rio-Lisboa festival next weekend. My first GN'R show since Pukkelpop 2002. It'll be great, I'm sure. I think it will be my greatest.

Have a great week everyone!

N ! 3 |(

So it seems Axl's voice is much better this time around.. : ok:  He seemed to struggle a bit with it in 2002, i wonder what he's done/changed in order to improve. Hope he had this voice during the recording of the album too..

I think he sounds fantastic. Check dankrass' bootleg from 15th. I really don't understand how anyone can appreciate more his damaged UIY tour voice. And that Sail Away Sweet Sister/Bad Time intro was just pointless and horrible. :-\ I'm very glad he doesn't ruin his voice with it anymore. What I'd love him to do is It's Alright or maybe try something new (for him) like Imagine as an intro to November Rain. Some softer stuff, he's brilliant singing (and playing) It's Alright.

The new big guns are harder to sing than Appetite's stuff. He sounds much better on The Blues now than in 2002 then it sounded like he had to sing over his range.

He sounds very Ritz '88 to me and that's damn perfect for me. :yes:

And it's rock n' roll, not damn opera or Toto. :rant:


P.S. Just watched Plant singing Innuendo at the Freddie Mercury Tribute and he seemed so sad :'( compared to Axl's current form. (Plant was also 44 then)

Axl's voice it awesome right now.  As good as one can hope for.  Probably the best piece of news to come out of the new shows.

that and how tight this band is......

skeptic no more :-X

i think axl cant sing the following songs  , which is a shame :no: :no:

civil war
perfect crime
dead horse
coma
yesterdays
locomotive

? ? ? ? i am soo happy that Axls voice hasnt really changed that much except he couldnt really hold the notes as long as he used to be able to but he sounds fucking amazing!!! im reallly happy 4 him!!!!

hopefuly he'll be around MUCH longer!!!!! and not go MIA out of no where!!!

but i love the guy!!! hes changed Rock............ 4 the good!!!!!!!!!!!? :peace:

y dont u think he cant sing thoses??

I thought Axl's voice was pretty strong.  I was at teh 15th show, and I was really worried about 2 things, one him showing up, and two his voice.  Both were answered, and his voice sounded great, much better i thought then 2002

It feels like we're back in the old Guns era, friends. How Axl doesn't ruin the old classics like most rock stars making a comeback is beyond me, but I wish I had his vocal couch.

Civil War and Yesterdays were the only hits you listed. None of the other ones were big. Why would he play them? All of the songs Axl still sings were bigger. Appetite material is more popular than Illusions material, look at the sales figures.

Coma is a hit whether it's popular or not.

Actually Dead Horse was a single.....and to be exact......I don't think Out To Get Me was bigger than Coma or Locomotive for that fact.

And he played guitar on Dead Horse. He doesn't want to play guitar anymore, so they don't play it.  ;)

well he did play guitar on Madagascar and if you remember he did take more guitar lessons in the past 10 years so  ;) ;) ;) ;) if that's enough winks for you.

At Rock In Rio? I haven't seen him doing it since.