Here Today... Gone To Hell!

to prove all you fuckers wrong. who was there enjoyed the fuck outta the show and made peace with Axl and the new band.

first review in portuguese and pics are up.

seriously just wait for a better mixed version fo the concert cuz it was mindblowing! nothing to do with what you guys saw.


http://www.portugaldiario.iol.pt/noticia.php?id=688541&div_id=291

http://www.portugaldiario.iol.pt/consola.php?tipo=1&art_id=688541&pagina=1

p.s. for Axl to have this kind of reviews is amazing, cuz the press hates him over here. they said nothing but bad things about him, but after the show they seemed to get their heads off their asses. some of you should do the same.  : ok:

we wont get better recordings...

then u'll just have to believe in me and everyone that was there  :peace:

Cant comment on the review since I dont read the language, but man, George Chin can take some serious photos!

Great to here! These guys need to keep motivated! We can't let them down!
amy

Still a brilliant cover band

This is one or two reviews man.  Hardly enough to say it's getting great reviews.

I'm not sure how close you were to the stage, but we here in the states were up close and personal.  The sound quality sucked, but that aside, it was a horrible show in terms of Axl's singing.  He was out of breath on almost every song, he missed words on every song, he started Patience early.  We didn't neeed to be there to see this....it was no where near as good a performance as the 5 shows I have seen live. 

And unfortunately, last night proved that this band misses Slash in a huge way and that no one will be able to fill his shoes.  Those 3 guitarists they have pale in comparison to Slash (at least in a live setting).  Slash was a monster up there who commanded the stage....these guys were utterly forgetable.  Too many mediocre solos (guitar and drum).  Not a very good show really guys.

bad BAD show

well....

the sound quality and mix sucked...axl was out of breath a lot, but when the mix was right it rocked. nightrain was THE SHIT!!

and i really enjoyed the solos. all of them!!

i used to skip them on the hammerstein boots, but i was really impressed yesterday. especially richard fortus kicked ass : ok:

Axl you did it!!!!!
It was great to look at it online live, it was f... awesome.
My fav. part of all is that Axl was looking into the camera during november rain.
It was the worth waiting for, lol all those patience.
My little one was kicking in my stumach during patience, maybe that song means also something with her.
The band did more then a great job.
The voice of Axl was also great to hear, he still sounds the same.
Hope to see you all ( the band) in the netherlands, we will enjoy it every minute of the concert ( hopefully)then.

anja

the reason it seemed that he missed words in song is because the mic kept going on and off  on the mix.   I'll admit that he did seem out of breath at some points  but it didn't make this a bad performance.   Axl is older now  and he does move a lot on stage  so this won't be the last time you will see him trying to catch his breath on stage. So my sugggestion to you is to not even bother with this band anymore because  you will never like their live performances. You would be better suited watching a band where the lead singer stands in one spot all day  and is 25 yrs old.  This isn't a young Axl anymore  and Slash isn't young anymore either.  I have seen VR  and slash isn't the same on stage as he once was .  Age hits a lead singer  harder than it does a guitarists.  Stamina and vocal chords age quicker  than fingers .    Just go watch another band and don't waste your time with this band.    There are plenty of GNR fans  that still like Axl's performances.

http://discodigital.sapo.pt/news.asp?id_news=19295

another positive review.
on the tv everyone is praising him also.

seriously the concert was amazing, if u were there u'd seen. Axl's voice was dead on, and the band was awesome. they put on a hell of a show and they were very well embraced by the audience. and that's that.

if u'r pissed off cuz the sound wasn't good and cuz Axl didn't sing this in key or whatever. go fuck yourselfs.Axl was amazing and everyone there thought so!

thats what I thought. cos all of a sudden in YCBM the sound changed COMPLETELY and from then on out all instruments were loud and clear, Axl too. so it was obviously something up with the mix we heard online before that.

Don't go there mate.

how many people was there

 Yeah,i have to agree with Meanbone.i was there and the sound was good,nothing like it was on the feed.Axl voice was spot on,and the band also played well on most of the times,the band sound you guys hear on the feed it was Sic Radical?s fault.It also happen in 2004 with Slipknot,they had the same kind of shitty mix.
 I was there and the sound was fucking great.and the reviews i have read are fucking good.i was expecting that they would bash him just to bash,but no,they did a fair review.
 
 

Listen guys, I'm a huge GNR fan...have been for longer than I can remember. ?Telling me to go fuck myself or go listen to other artists is simply moronic. ?See I've been there through the whole story guys, from 1987 to the present. ?IMHO, last night's show was not all that grand. ?I feel bad for you guys that are new to GNR and didn't have a chance to experience it back in 1987-1993 era. ?I really do. ?I've seen too many of his shows (both pre 1993 and one in 2002) to be all that impressed with last night's show. ? He looked old and out of breath all too often. ?The guitarists were not that good either (certainly not a good replacement for Slash and no where near as good as Buckethead). ?I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade. ?I hope GNR has a very successful comeback and things work out great and that last night was an anomoly. ?I saw them in 2002 at Boston and they were way better then (mostly because BH is much better than the 3 guys they have now).

I will say this, he needs to release the albuym sooner rather than later. ?I think waiting till Fall is a mistake. ?He needs to have new studio material out there for the masses to consume prior to these (nostaligic) concerts. ?If he wants the new Guns to flourish and make a name for itself, it won't happen playing Slash's licks and old tunes. ?It reminds me too much of a Jimmy Buffet concert where everyone sings along to the tune that were written decades earlier. ?It is nice and all, but we've been there and done that guys.

So you were there right?

If you wasn't, all that stuff you're saying doesnt really mean shit.

Even with the shitty mix we got, I can still say this concert was fucking amazing. I wish they would have played TWAT or maybe another new song, but thats just a minor wish and im not going to be all greedy about it. They played I.R.S. and Better, which were nice little bonuses in my opinion.

Im not saying everything was perfect, but its hard to really pick out the details of what wasnt great because of the mix. Axl sounded fucking great, and the people that are saying he didnt I dont know what more you fucking expect. I think he sounded 100 times better than 2002. The band seemed to shine on most songs but struggled on a few others, but like I said, that could have just been the mix.

Nighttrain absolutely blew me away, easily the best performance of the night. The did a few to many solos imo, but I have to admit I loved everyone of them. The "Dont Cry" solo was fucking cool, and the "Beautiful" solo was fucking just that, Beautiful.

All in all I was disappointed in the shitty mix we got for 3/4 of the show, but once it fixed the band sounded tight and simply amazing, and I have to say I was very happy with what I saw.

Guns N Roses are back and they are only going to get better.

I was there through the power of the internet. ?I am not talking about the sound mix here. ?Just talking about everything else. ?I don't need to be there to see Axl run out of breath all night and to listen to piss poor guitar solos do I?

let me just add. before paradise citty Dizzy was ready to play Madagascar, but as i was told earlier they couldn't play as long as they wanted cuz of the organization of the festival, so they just did PC.

the show was great and the band jus went with the flow, no set list. that was amazing

and if u weren't there, u didn't know what happened really. cuz the show was brilliant!!!!!

Since we CAN give proper reviews thru TV screens it seems, I watched Japan 92 and Oklahoma 92 on bootleg last night and it was NOTHING compared to RIR5.

Thru half the set I couldnt even hear the guitar solos because of the stupid mixing, but Im sure you heard them???

 : ok:

 there was 50 thousand people there.not a bad crowd.i was expecting much worse

The man is 44 years old, he isnt in his 20s anymore. And he ran out of breath a couple times, big fucking deal. Lets see you get up on stage and run around for 2 hours at the age of 44 and not lose your breath.

And I strongly disagree with you calling the solos "piss poor", I thought they were excellent.

yeah the sound was great at the venue. great mix, just great.

on jungle tho, tommy couldn't hear himself, he left the stage really mad, and smashed a bass guitar, then in IT's so Easy everthing was cool

It's good to see the journalist are finally starting to appreciate what a great band this is. It must have been one of the greatest GN'R performances ever! Axl was amazing, band was great and there was real chemistry in there. Easily the best performance by the new band.

I KNEW IT!

I don't know if you guys heard it, but I did hear someone saying just before Paradise: "Dizzy! Paradise!"




By the way, I like those reviews? : ok:

What a whiner
Who cares about your heart opening speech?
If you don't like it don't watch it and get over it. It sooooo simple but nooooo cuz if you don't u won't have anything to whine about
The hell with all of you whiners , get over 1987.
Whining frantically won't turn back time
True they did some crazy things they made me go like 'whoa heavy drugs' but as u could see they were having fun ?:drool:
If you wanna choose the entire set list including solos you should ring Slash and form you own Guns N Roses

the reason it seemed that he missed words in song is because the mic kept going on and off  on the mix.   I'll admit that he did seem out of breath at some points  but it didn't make this a bad performance.   Axl is older now  and he does move a lot on stage  so this won't be the last time you will see him trying to catch his breath on stage. So my sugggestion to you is to not even bother with this band anymore because  you will never like their live performances. You would be better suited watching a band where the lead singer stands in one spot all day  and is 25 yrs old.  This isn't a young Axl anymore  and Slash isn't young anymore either.  I have seen VR  and slash isn't the same on stage as he once was .  Age hits a lead singer  harder than it does a guitarists.  Stamina and vocal chords age quicker  than fingers .    Just go watch another band and don't waste your time with this band.    There are plenty of GNR fans  that still like Axl's performances.

Very well said man...Couldnt agree more

I think he means they need Slash
Oh sure Velvet Revolver is some real mind blowing solos
sure sure  :confused:

Like the Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, Pink Floyd, Jimmy Buffet,  and every other lead singer over 50 that rock the house?

Yeah I know I know people likes Axl's performance, they out of touch and in need of this to rock, because they have waitied so long they won't let themselved be disappoitned

I still think it sucked, 

Yeah, I did, I was just about to say...

I even thought that I heard something like "Dizzy, just Paradise!",

at the time I thought that maybe he was ill or something, and didn't want to do an encore........

Now it makes sense.

You are a bit wierd man. You saw a stream on the net that had LOTS of sound difficoulties and you still make up your mind?

I'd say you decided that this would suck before you even saw the show..

So, do yourself a favour and pick up some old DVD's and stay offline watching them instead.

Aye, do some of you people think that it's a coincidence that the songs we had a decent mix for (November Rain, Out Ta Get Me, Nightrain...) sounded incredible...  :confused:

some of you guys have to buy "time machine" and going to 1987

for two days i will go to budampest,and after that i will tell you my impresions about guns n roses in 2006

btw i like clips from rio,and i like axls runing and everything else

OK, ?MINUS SOUND MIX, I am not even counting that for christ sakes...

this is why it sucked:

Axl ran out of breathe, ? screwed up Patience, ?started early on Paradise, the Solo's were god awful, the new guitar effects in Rocket Queeen were horrible, the set list was old and nostalgic, the energy wasn't there, ?

other than that it was AWESOME : ok:

I am not talking about sound, ?I recorded it on my Xm and it sounds fine.....the AOL feed sucked

That NEVER happened with the old band.  : ok: : ok: : ok:  :beer:

Hahaha!!!!

Of course it did and those shows sucked....

Why can't someone hate a show and not get crucified for it....

Because it's stupid to hate a show that obviously rocked. Just ask anyone going to the show mate.

very smart words,i think you're a grand son of Nikola Tesla

No,  that's like saying it's stupid to hate Pizza, cause everyone else likes it.  I thought the show (minus sound) sucked...

If that's the case I would recomend you to drop this GNR thing all togheter.

You propably will not be satisfied either way.

And it's quite tiring to post about how shows sucks all the time as well?

I can accept these reasons, except three


Screwed Up Patience - This is just fucking stupid. He started a little too soon. OMG everyone, Axl is human, who would have known.

The Enery wasnt there - This right here tells me you must have been watching another show all together. People can bitch about anything they want, but to say this band didnt have any energy is just retarded. Thats the LAST thing I thought someone would complain about. ?


And this running out of breath shit people are complaining about is lame. The man has a high energy show where he runs around alot, he is 44 years old, he hasnt toured in 4 years, and he only ran out of breath a couple times.

Some of you people are fucking sad with these complaints. I dont believe you would have been happy with anything this band does, seeing as how you are nit picking every little thing. Its like instead of enjoying the show you are just trying to find shit to bitch about.

me too.. the show sucked... the song list sucked.. the same show has been performed many times by this band... in fact last time they played rio in 01 i saw this same show...it sucked... nothing new.. same old going through the motions.. play the old songs.. new guitar players in fortus/bbf.. ?vs bucket/huge but same show... very boring and predictable.. ?they should have rose to the ocasion and played just one new song.. not a "blues jam" and think that was cutting edge.... the show was gay.

no coz the show sucked.. any fan can say it sucked or it ruled.. isnt it tiring to post telling anyone who thinks the show suckde that it was good?

When Im as negative as you, I usually just drop the whole thing.  : ok:

Im entertained. You are not. I don't see why you wanna focus on things you don't like.

see most of you "fans" call me "negative"... im not being negative.. i love the new band.. but i can call thier show what it was... boring and repetitive.

What should have been done to please you?

I am not negative, I am realistic....

The show was old, and dated....
Axl went through the motions.

Unless you've actually seen GNR live
( Ihave Foxboro with Metallica, Boston Garden in 92, Boston '02, NY 17th of 06)

then don't tell me what energy is....
Axl had no energy
HE EVEN SAYS THE SAME SHIT at the same parts of every show
"Hey you downloading motherfuckers,"
Remember when GNR meant Unpredictable, On-Point

Now we get the
"HELLO CLEVELAND, ARE YOU READY TO ROCK?" bullshit, it's turning into a Kiss concert
Same set list, same crap to intro every song....

Axl is a step away from a weekly show in Vegas

you must be entertained easy... watching the same show over and over is entertaining to you? ?you dont want to see them play thier own music? .. im not focusing on things i dont like .. i like this band alot but the show today was boring and predictable.. 01, 02, 06... its the same.. its boring.. im not being negative ... your just blind

new songs.. not the same setlist.. even playing older gnr songs from the UYI songs would please me.. something new... change it up a bit... stop playing the same songs in the same order and thinking its bad ass... its not...

Im currently finishing the show right now...paradise city is going and axl is introducing the band...i came in at Bumble Foots solo/dont cry....i hafta say what of the show ive seen kicks ass!! Better ROCKED!! i was worried that it wouldnt translate well live but damn....it kicked ass!!
Axl isnt the same as he was when i saw him 15 years ago...but hes just as good if not better....still a smart ass which is cool....and still energetic as hell!!
i hope to catch the whole show sometime today!! but again....what i saw i was impressed with the newbies!!
finck kicks ass!! hes a like a mix of slash gilby and izzy....
im sure ppl will give me hell over all this but oh well!!


the show is starting again..if my opinion changes ill post it...if not...then...again...oh well!! lol

 

decent point.....  he really ran out of breath sometimes

he screwed up patience??  are you talkin about him starting to sing too early?  i barely noticed that....

did he?  i don`t remember that. i thought paradise city was the best version the new band ever played : ok:

matter of taste, i thought they were awesome. i didn`t even listen to the hammerstein ones, but i really enjoyed them this time. dizzy, richard, robin, bumblefoot and brain were all great!



i don`t think they`re new, i think it was because ot the bad(wrong) mix actually.  i didn`t like them either, but i guess they weren`t supposed to sound like that...


true to some extent....  i want to hear more new music, but we`ll have to wait for that till the album comes out. i`m fine with the setlist though... they should cut lald, rocket queen and patience and add some more illusions stuff and later more new songs.

when bumblefoot played the part of don`t cry i really thought they`d do that song :-\....  they should definitely add it to the setlist. the crowd reaction should`ve shown that to axl i think...

also, when axl said something along the lines of "we`ll do something now we don`t usually do" i really expected them to play rhiad...... and what did i get instead?? :'(  i mean brain`s little drum solo was quite cool, but i really hoped for rhiad....


i thought the performance was really energetic... perhaps even too energetic for axl?s voice at times :hihi:

Is it just me or are there all the suden all these newbies invading the board that do nothing but bitch?

Shock and awe, most bands usually have a set list they follow.


The album is not out yet and you cant expect 50 000 people to be hardcore GNR downloaders.


They did 2 new songs last night, I.R.S and Better, since 2001 you have heard at least 9 new songs being played live.

They could have thrown in a few Illusion tracks, sure, and maybe got rid of Out ta get me or something, but that's a PERSONAL OPINION. Im very satisfied with the songs they are doing. I have a feeling they might have to play for 4 hours if theyre gonna please u with their set list.

not even close.. the started it WAY early and the band had to catch up... listen to PC on MSG 02 or even Vegas 01.. .spot!

 : ok:

Please...stop!! ?;D

not everyone is following the band on internet message boards and downloads every bootleg of any show available.... some people tend to forget that.....  what does it matter to you which stelist gnr play in toledo, if you watch them in paris??


no it`s not just you :-\

did tommy hilfigger hire people to spam this board :nervous:


if you didn?t attend the concert shut up allready!!

the people here are getting more and more annoying....

Unfortenately, they were the reason I stopped posting on GNR message boards...I might have to re-consider giving it another go..

So anyway....about the reviews...... has MTV or any other big news source posted a review yet?

Every song Axl did last night was the best ever...

it was that way after the May 15th show, the 17th show ?etc...

It was a great show and deserves good reviews, theres only one thing I can fault with it:

The same stail setlist, you've got how many 70,000 people singing Don't Cry just from a brief section of a guitar solo and yet Axl still won't include that or any other "new" Illusions into the set.

It puts me off going to see the more then once this year, if they mixed it up every now and then it would be more insentive to see them more then once if you can, instead of just having the same setlist everyimte you see them.

This is 2006, not 1992. Back then GNR ruled the music world. They were unpredictable because they could be. No matter what they did, people still loved them, they were the badboys of rock. Back then Axl went off on harsh rants, cancelled shows, jumped in the crowds after people, just raised all kinds of hell. That was cool back in the day, but he cant do that now. He was late for the Madrid gig (like always) and they almost rioted then, just because he was late. Axl cant be like that now, times has changed, he is no0t on top of the world anymore.

The only way he is going to win back fans is to go through the motions, play the gigs, give the majority of the fans what they want (the older music), until this new album is released. Axl Rose is one cancellation away from people seriously not giving a shit anymore. He has to play is cool until he can get some credabilty back, whats so hard to understand about that??

Axl looks happier these last few gigs than he has EVER looked, and he is finally enjoying himself on stage again. I love GNR for what they were back in the day, and I love them for what they are now. I dont want to see fucking riots, Axl bitching on stage everynight, walking off stage pissed off. If he started that again he will commit career suicide. I promise this is his last chance at winning the public back, so all I want is for him to make it through this tour with no cancellations or riots or pissed off rants. He makes it through this tour, he releases CD, then he does a world tour with hopefully a great new setlist of new songs...

Stop living in the past, either get with the times (and this new band) or go listen to somebody else. This goes for anyone that wants to bitch because this isnt "old" Guns N Roses.

it wasn`t perfect.... it was rock n`roll : ok:

msg 2002 sucked imo. of course it was perfect though.... if you know what i mean

las vegas was a great performance, but i liked this one more. better quality at least :hihi:


i`ll see them two times this year. june 2nd and july 2n.... let`s see what happens

i agree about don?t cry. hopefully axl learns from the crowd reaction....


probably because the person who said that saw gnr live for the first time and the sound was awesome etc... ??

live versions are always better than bootlegs...  plus the excitement etc....

Get rid of Patience and add Don't Cry. That's the only solution if you want Don't Cry in the setlist.

No one is bitching cause it isn't old GNR
I guess what pisses me off and when I read:
Finck is better than Slash, when Finck is playing Slash's shit!
or
Last night was the best GNR show EVER...when it wasn't and i point that out and get killed.

If Axl had some faith in the new material, the "big guns" pull them out.

no you pick an excues to retaliate:
1) Axl doesn't want to play the new stuff because it will get downloaded
2) Axl needs to give the people what they want, ?the old stuff
3) ?add a new one here

Hey, does Velvet Revolver play all GNR songs? ?No

Oh they have an album..........

for how many years they have used this set list?


they dont have to be downloaders but one new song or one new old song that everyone knows would buts some shine on this boring show..

9 new songs in 6 years? shit! thats pretty good considering the band didnt want them out there and axl puts the songs down publicly... see the England 02 rant about "the songs your not gonna see on the album" and leaked demos.. thats hardly what i want ?to hear from them..


thats correct.. i think even u would have liked that better..

not 4 hours but loose the same setlists... stop playing AFD and some 2nd rate CD songs ... just change it up for fucks sake..

i would drop

YCBM
OTGM
LALD
NR
RQ
KOHD

and play other songs
Dont Cry
Civil War
Your Crazy
Nice Boys
Bad Apples
Locomotive
or any other songs they have ..

Yes, drop the songs everyone knows...

Good deal mate.

Im done with this now.

it`s a really good solution by the way :hihi:


gnr played 9 new songs since 2001. that`s a lot i think. go to a rolling stones concert.... do they play 90% new material?   i don?t think so....

when the album drops or is about to drop we`ll get the "big guns" played, believe me : ok:

how many times do you have to hear them?? your not sick of KOHD with the extended solos and sing a longs yet?? ...
and if you notice the songs i said to replace them with everyone knows also...

good deal?

your a nut swinger.

the rolling stones play as a nastolgia act... they arent out with a new band and a "new" album.. they are just giving everyone a chance to see them live play the hits...

the new gnr is different...

gnr isn`t out with a new album either at the moment.... that?s my point : ok:

no they are not.. but they know more than 15 songs... and to play the same 15 songs is boring.. thats my point!

I only got to see part of the show, but from what I saw, Axl's voice was here and there, weak in some parts, but performance wise he was really, really good.  He also seems more carefree than we've seen him in perhaps.....ever. 

Is someone putting this on YouTube?

Well, since it seems that all GnR fans do is bitch, no matter what the bands doing, you guys bitch for the sake of bitching...... ?I for one fucking loved the show..I still got it goin on replays...I usually dont get defensive and try stand up for a "band" on the fucking internet....but if I hear someone constantly bitching in LA at the show, I will fucking take their motherfucking head off.....fuckin idiots...if you dont like it then fucking leave...don't bother us, listen to something you actualy enjoy, that you can talk postive of

If that was the attitude, you know, stop listening,? fuck off if you don't like it, then GNR would have been done after Oh My God, which by the way everyone hated, well except the nutswingers on this board

or they would have stopped caring after Mickey Mouse, I mean Axl, at the VMA's, (sorry the reviews here after that were,hmm.. oh yeah.."AXL HAS NEVER SOUNDED BETTER, CLEANER VOICE, I LOVE IT"

so yeah I'll leave and never listen or buy an album again....with that logic CD should sell, 78 copies....

Well said! I personally loved the show! Of course it wasn't perfect, but that's rock n' roll. The set list was the same as before, but so what? at least they're touring again. Axl was in fine form and the band rocked. What more can you ask for? : ok:

You may have to wait for the cd to drop if your looking to hear new material. This is about the   "GREAT REVIEWS" I'd like to be there in the room when you tell Axl how unsatified you were with the show ;D  Fucken Jerk

Well, since it seems that most GnR fans do is kiss ass, no matter what the bands doing, you guys kiss ass ?for the sake of kissing ass...... ?I for one fucking was bored with the show..I still got it on dvd in 2001 when they played rio...


take my head off.. i dare you.. ill be at the show and if they play the same show or set list as they did today, at NYC, 2002, Rio 2k1, ?i want to see you take my head off.. i can complain if it sucks.. i paid for my ticket... take my head off. ill eat your bf/husband for lunch too..

maybe we will or we will throw our beach balls around with SLASH, DUFF, IZZY, STEVEN written on it...

we dont ?care about u.

we are trying to talk positive but they have to play something we actualy enjoy first...

By the end of this tour I fully expect us all to be agreeing that RIR was one of the weakest shows. It does the band no good to only have fans who aren't prepared to speak out when they think something's is less than great. GNR is one of the biggest names in rock history and there are those who wish for it to remain that way, and it's those who are disappointed with last night.

best show ever i think.. 'cause i like these guys just as much that i like slash n' duff and the others so this show was egual a UYI tousr show.. except paul tobias or huge haha don't like him.. fuckin' loser he is haha

I dont know why everyone thinks this show was so bad....I loved it..It wasnt amazing but it was fucking good...BEST VERSION OF JUNGLE I HAVE EVER SEEN without a doubt...YCBM was amaziong with the pyros...An awsome show...my only complaint is to many solos

see ya there cocksucker

how many show have you seen? it wasnt nearly equal to any UYI show... and tobias did nothing to you.. your a loser.. tobias eats your familys income for lunch beyatch.

rock n roll in the parking lot whore.

I also wanted to say i love Axls new look....it feels more like the olden days...its like a southern rock look...Cowboy boots and jeans and shit its awsome...and this band now has guts with Robins new look and no Buckethead...I loveit man

lol.. your a dick.  you're one of those who prolly don't even like the band and just come here all the time and bitch and moan.   why so negative?   I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I had such a negative attitude all the time, I'd simply listen to music I could be positive about. 

i just dont like the same setlist... im not negative.. i just dont like the way the shows are going... so what.. why does questioning or complaing have to be negative on this board... i dont like the way the show are going... fuck off.

so would you rather Axl just go back into hiding for 4 years?  Be happy there is a fucking setlist and a fucking show to begin with.

im not happy with that... .. im not happy with there just being a set list and a show... esp if its the same shit ive seen the last time.. shit or get off the pot axl... yes. go back to hiding if this rio is the best you have got. coz it sucks... i hate it... its boring and its been seen before.. same songs, same setlist, same boring old take not chances axl... it fucking blows ok? i expect more from axl rose.. not this shit... if fucking sucked.

Ok, we get it. Now shut up already.

I for one can't seperate myself from Slash. ?The ones of you that don't understand that may just be younger and didn't create that attachment to Slash in your formative years. ?I so enjoyed hearing him play for VR in concert, but it just doesn't feel right. ?Axl is having trouble with his voice also, I don't know that the solution for that is. ? Perhaps he just needs more work to get the kinks out. ?

why so i have to troll through all your 100000 posts of banter about about how fink is better than slash or rio was the best gnr show ever just to find a worthwhile argument? ?you post the same shit all the time .. you shut up already.

coz i question how much the show sucked i need to shut up? you need to shut up.. your post didnt post anything but negative towards me.. i can post whatever i want about my reiview of the show.. you think its great ok, we get it, Now shut up already.

you sound that like guy Axl was making fun of before November Rain

that was me.

I'm glad the show is getting the good reviews.  The stream sucked, but I could tell that it wasn't the right sound.  The band were happy and had a great time, and the fans there got to hear some new music. 

It's getting hard to read these threads though.  Some posters are posting over and over that they thought the show sucked and are arguing with anyone who disagrees with them. No matter how many times you post your opinion, it won't change mine  : ok:

Rio was just awesome

I felt like crying it was so awesome!

He should kick himself out of the band and find a better replacement. What difference is losing another original member going to make? ?;)

it was the best show ever... fink is better than slash at playing slashes own music and axls voice was great.  the set list was the best hits ever and bumble is such a nice guy... i love rir!!

Thank you for your sarcasm  :hihi:  I know what your opinion is of the show.  It is not the same as mine. We are all entitled to our own views. 

My friend and I listen to the show last night......he's a stout old member supporter. ?He has only heard the new band on MTV (so you can imagine what he thinks). ?Anyhow we both agreed that the mix was horrible and apparently they were streaming from the soundboard...SO OF COURSE YOU'RE GONNA HEAR EVERY SINGLE BREATH HE TAKES. ?My friend took this into account and by the time they fixed it somewhere around Rocket Queen, he was in nothing but compliments. ?It's a shame the band is getting shitty comments for AOL's ingenious sound techs. ?I couldn't have been more proud of the band last night. ?Axl was wailing on You Could Be Mine.

don't know if it was posted before:

Axl set the World Stage on fire on day two of the Rio In Rio festival. Thankful to the crowd for showing their support, the vocalist showed an energy not seen since the successful early days of the band. Always controversial, Axl Rose came close to breaking the rules after being late onto stage.
Eventually though, after half an hour, Axl and his band came onto stage with the familar opening scream of "You know where you are. You are in the jungle". They had arrived at their jungle, which today, was Rock In Rio.
"It's So Easy" followed, which it certainly wasn't when Guns N' Roses played Alvalade 14 years ago. Today though, Axl did not stumble and ran to all sides of the stage without any problems. Axl's old dress sense has also never been forgotten, today though he is a singer with a new look and a re-enegised spirit which was felt by the crowd.
Axl's first words were, "You are all amazing. Thank you for coming. Thank you for supporting us, and thank you for supporting me.". Axl was speaking to fans who had waited a long time for him and Guns N' Roses to return
In a concert lasting more than two hours long, Axl sang with a renewed voice reminiscent of the early days. "Live And Let Die" set the stage on fire, literally, with fireworks going off on both sides of the stage. The crowd were ecstatic.
"Knocking On Heavens Door" brought back old memories. The singer called on the crowd to join in and they willingly responded, singing the newer and calmer version of the song.
In "Out Ta Get Me", Axl delighted fans at the left side of the stage causing them to surge forward. After that we then heard, among others, "Sweet Child Of Mine", "Patience", and a burst of "Don't Cry" which pleased the crowd immensely.
The tremendous night ended with "Nightrain" and then "Paradise City", which was a fitting farewell from a band who had given one of their greatest concerts in recent times.

www.sp1at.com

was gnr show was most packed show???

So where are these great reviews? ?We have fanboys and fangirls saying it was awesome (mind you people that wouldn't say a bad thing regardless of the performance), but where are the MTV and RS type reviews?

Some of you need to understand that there are hardcore fans here that are not blinded by our like for GNR. ?We love GNR just as much as all of you, but we have the ability to step outside of that and to give an honest critique of the show. ?If you allow yourself to do that than you would say it wasn't a great performance. ?It certainly wasn't one of GNR's top showes and that's a hardcore fact. ?You would be honest with yourself and say that the band lacks a certain Slash element. ?Of course it's all opinion, but for those of us that have been around longer, we know what the measure stick is. ?We know what the baseline is. ?And let me tell you from experience, this is not even close to the baseline guys. ?It doesn't stand up to the original version yet.

There is one solution. ?Stop being a cover band and release their own material and let it do the talking. ?Why are they even doing this tour without an album anyway? ?It makes no sense whatsoever. ?It is a big mistake to just cash in on the tour and not run the tour off of a new album. ?I've convinced that once they release their own material (if it is good enough), they will start to make that break between old GNR and nuGNR. ?Right now the shows are repetitive and nostaligic and it isn't doing the new band any good really. ?

You can flame all you want, but this is just an honest opinion of a hardcore fan. ? :-\

Rio is getting GREAT REVIEWS!

oh i'm so out of touch. So Rock n'Rio has happend  ;D was it shown on television?
So they didn't lay There was a Time. How odd. The new leak of T.W.A.T didn't have Buckethead on it either. Maybe the song is being reworked.

Seeing as it as the Rio show, i guess there sound be some really boot's at last. So looking for a good recording of Better sung live  :beer:

note.....opinion.......click the links in this thread and read the reviews.   Wait a few days and you'll see more reviews come and go.  RS usually takes a few days to get something and as for MTV...well if they're not too busy doing a Laguna Beach marathon....then you might see something soon.  Remember it took a while for Kurt Loder to get his review out last time (speaking of which is he still there?)  Anyhow you and your opinion speak for the small minority of people that cling to the past.  There was no Slash element missing last night.......the guitars were awesome (but I'm sure you're basing this on a shitty aol broadcast because you couldn't hear them right?)  The guitars were amazing, very well done.  Rocket Queen never sounded better. 

Some people are going to hate reading this, but I'm being completely honest and speaking from the heart as a serious long time supporter of Axl and his cohorts. I have nothing against the new lineup. I think they're a cool and talented bunch of guys and I've paid to see them four times. But this RIR gig was one of the weakest performances I've ever seen from any GNR lineup. It had its good moments (Nightrain was fantastic, no doubt about it) but Axl sounded absolutely awful on some songs, the solos took up a huge portion of the set when they should have been playing tunes, and the setlist was completely mundane.

In 2002, Axl said "We'll be back next summer with a WHOLE BUNCH of new songs!" then four years later he returns and plays a set with even fewer new tracks than before. I'm sorry, but that's just fucking weak. If he's that fucking uptight about people hearing his new music then he can at least get the band to learn all of the UYI tracks. They've played two gigs in Europe and we already know exactly what will happen at every show for the rest of the entire tour. You could easily write a review of the July tour dates right now and be spot on except for one or two tracks. Hell, you could practically have written these reviews in 2002 and only been wrong about a couple nunchuk robot solos  :hihi:.

If they don't want to play new tunes then they should get up there and play all of UYI and Appetite every night instead of just phoning it in with these 5 year old setlists. In '91 GNR played some three and even four hour shows, but now it's just punch in at 11 pm and punch out at 1 am every goddamn time. As for Axl's vocals, maybe they're better than in 2002, but can you honestly listen to a live track like 'Better' and say that Axl isn't having major problems? Every performance I've heard of that song has sounded like a bad karaoke experiment, but with a pretty solid band in the background.

Anyway, I'm making these criticisms as a true fan who WANTS this band to succeed. The leaks kick ass and have me fucking pumped to hear the album, but I've just been so disappointed with how these live gigs are going. If you're totally incapable of seeing any faults in this band and are 100% satisfied no matter what they do, then good for you, but that attitude is detrimental to this band's success and only serves to delay critical improvements and adjustments that really need to be made in order for this band to take off again.

you're so fuckin stupid!!!
Why is mtv or some other review more relevant from review of gnr fan!!!
in mtv work people,some of them like and some of them don't like guns n roses,so quality of review depend of it!!!
I and many fans here are agree gnr is very good band in 2006,and who cares what iron maiden,shakira or britney fans think!!!
I like Axl's and new band performance yesterday

Great post Janabis.  That sums it up very well.  We all support GNR, but we need to be honest in our critism and not lable mediocrity as brilliant.

As for calling me stupid....well that's about as original as nuGNR's setlist.  The reason that a major publication's review hold more weight with me (more being relative really because who cares what they have to say really) than your fanboy or fangirl review is because it is very obvious that some of you are satisfied with mediocrity.  If we listen to you fanboys/fangirls, you'd think this was a great GNR performance...which it clearly wasn't.  Axl was out of breath on every damn song.  I felt bad for him as he strugglerd with songs that he would have nailed in 1992.

Again, you are obviously young and don't know the baseline or the measuring stick here...which is of course the old lineup and their shows.  No one is dissing GNR or hating on GNR, we are just being honest about the show last night.   So please try to refrain from the "your stupid" comments because it makes you look moronic.

richard was amazing with his playing, but the other 2 with the old songs the solos just seem dead and lifeless, fincks guitar tone was shocking at times.

rocket queen was shite if they're gonna play it that way all the time i'd rather them just drop it from the set.

the rest of the gig was great however. aside from the obvious sound issues.

So you're saying Japan 92 was better? Man, see a doctor or something.? : ok:

Even the Isreal show where they turned down Izzy's amps so only Slash played the stuff?

My gawd mate..

I just looked at the two shows, back to back. Infact, I also checked out RIR2, RIR3, Oklahoma 92 and parts of Oslo 93 and the RIR5 show blew most of them away..only RIR2 could compete IMO.

Watching frozen frames, on an internet feed, that had monotone quality, and the capability to deliver no more than three tracks of sound at a time, completely dismisses your argument. ?Until the stereo quality feed is out, reserve your judgement. ?I was at NYC, and those shows were mind-boggling. ?Better than the 91,92, andn 93 shows I saw, and other longtime fans saw. ?We love the old band, and we love the new band. ? :yes: ?No need to diss, that which you do not understand. ? Also, please, tell Slash & his lawyers(who I think keeps sending these patsies & VR street teamers here) that he need's to pay you guy's more. LOL!! ?Slash knows, if this succeeds, he's fucked and out of a big paycheck that would happen if they reunite.

 :beer:

That was funny stuff!

The RIO show was such triumph thaT i HAD TO WATCH IT TWICE! ?AXL LOOKED SO HOT!!!!!! and he sounded great! bUMBLEFOOT ?may be a nice guy and he is talented, but he is no BUCKETHEAD. I really miss the Bucket! :peace:

They played more songs at all those other shows, Axl sounded a hundred times better in the UYI days, and at RIR 3 they played twice as much new material. RIR 4 sucked compared to any one of those IMO.

I have to admit I do too. Bfoot is a great guitarist, but I kinda liked the freak show that Buckethead was...he added another element to the line up.

People say he didnt fit in..which I thought was bullshit..this is not a "lets try to look like 1987" contest.

for those of u who weren?t there, plz believe me when I say the sound and his voice was brilliant... yeah he started patience early and IRS was kinda weird, but besided that he was amazing... his voiced rockes, and the music too... believe me, I was there... and i?m not on the side of anyone as u can see in my review in GNR on tour section...

Bumblefoot tore it up.

We are lucky we got a live show on the internet or all we would be hearing is great reviews.... so quit complaining.

I thought Axl sounded bad really bad maybe it was the stream or whatever.

Then some songs sounded like a damn techno club.

Get the album out and play new music damnit

:hihi:
Obviously some fans are so blind to the old band and yet try to lead the blind and others.

If it was, it would make indeed a great freak show, in a bad sense. :hihi:

Me too miss BH's crisp, sunny sounds and his presence.
Nevertheless every second of RIR show rocked hard.

lol as I think I was the only one posting a review on the GNR on Tour section ill post it here too... :hihi:


I?m writing this without reading any topics or posts about RiR as I want just express myself, my opion based on what I?ve seen and felt yesterday? This sure will get big so feel free to print LOL kidding...

I had a great time yesterday. I was so anxious about the show, I had been waiting for it for months? I was so fucking nervous as time passed? I thought we were going to wait for hours like in Spain, but they ended up being just 30 minutes late? What is pretty good indeed. And then, finally, we started hearing Welcome to the Jungle? and so started a fucking great show, which I won?t forget in the near future.

There were many people there, more than I was expecting? (many GN?R fans and people that just liked the songs, the normal) I loved it, I enjoyed it at my full, but I dunno if most of people who were there did too. I often looked around and when people really looked as they were enjoying it was when the old songs were being played. People were not too excited about the new ones, and to be honest I wasn?t too? And this led me to think about something? GN?R will NEVER be the same?The more I looked at the band, the more I thought of the old one? I never wished so much to have lived in the late 80s and early 90s so I could have felt the real GN?R? I envy so much those of u who have?

I was very close to the stage, I was in the left and Axl was always running there?so I could really glanced at him which on one hand was pretty cool (damn! my brother forgot the camera, I could have taken some great pics... oh well), and on the other hand made me think that... he was old (lol this might be too stupid, but I had to look at him very close to get that conclusion), it?s not the same Axl? I mean he was really energetic, he ran a lot, did the serpentine, all of that, but I can?t explain why but I felt that something was missing there? not his voice however? cos his voice was just BRILLIANT? he sang all the songs perfectly, maybe not so well the new ones, but I really loved his voice? I got the feeling that you, who saw it on TV didn?t feel that way? but I can assure you that he sang too fucking well?better than in the 90s... well but if I could choose, and I think it?s the same for you, I would prefer a Axl who didn?t sing a thing but with the whole band, the real GN?R... as I said before, GN?R will never be the same again... it
doesn?t even matter if they release an album or not, people will always go see these Guns to hear the old hits... that?s what brings people to see the GN?R... and when I mean people, I mean the ordinary ones, not the fans like us, even though I think many fans feel the same way... I mean, if it had been Velvet Revolver in place of these new Guns, I wouldn?t have gone to see them... and why? Cos they wouldn?t play the GN?R hits... yeah... it?s really confusing but even loving Slash and Duff, I wouldn?t go see VR cos they?re not GN?R.... it would have been the same if Axl had made a band of his own...

So, when yesterday I saw GN?R, I felt that something was missing there, and that something obviously is Slash and Duff... oh well, very confusing isn?t it? It?s so sad when you think that GN?R would be soo huge if they were still together... I dunno if I would prefer to have that GN?R were not anymore and keep the old memories... but then... we could not hear our favourite songs live... I don?t think if as I have read here somewhere, Axl will be the one laughing last... cos even if he releases the album... if this tour keeps going great, there will ALWAYS be the ghosts of the old members and the old days... on the other hand, I think Slash and Duff and even Matt may feel great to see that they are really missed there, that they were so important...

I really feel bad about the new members... they were really great last night, Robin and Bumblefoot rocked, I loved their solos... and Richard is just great... but again, we gotta think that it?s really sad that they need three guitarists to do what Slash did all on his own, or maybe with the help of Izzy, yes. Like, in November Rain, they were all switching bettween them in the solos, while Slash would do it on his own, without any problems... People will never admire this new members and they once did with the old ones... What is really bad, cos we can see that this guys are really great, and are so excited when playing the new songs, as they were last night with Better and the blues... But this songs, if the album is released, will never be as great as the old ones., they will not have that magic thing upon them.. and people will always talk about the old ones, as I keep saying. It must be pretty hard for them, I so admire those guys...

Well, but switching to the show again, it was a damn good show, I loved Rocket Queen and You could be mine, they were the best in my opinion... However, I was thinking that this RiR gig would be more special... I thought that Axl, as he did in RiR 3, would be more talkative to the people, that would say anything about the album, or even talk about the past, you know... that would be very cool. but instead, for the little he talked to us, he said almost the same things as he did in Spain and in NYC... he asked us if we were into downloading, and then we said yes and he called us motherfuckers... u know, as he did in NYC... then, he did the James Brown thing, wich I didn?t like anyway (as well as the Richard and Robin Beautiful solos, which I thought were fucking lame? and a bit of Don?t Cry in the solo by Mr.Bumblefoot which put people singing just like in Spain- argh why didn?t they just play it??? ) as he did in Spain... I mean, he didn?t do anything special, he did this show as just a tour show, and I was so not expecting this as this would be by far, the most important show of the tour, being aired in so many coutries... but maybe, as my brother says, he just doesn?t care. But this is not all... I did get the impression that he even sang less songs than in Spain (like Madagascar, My Michele and There Was a Time - the only new music I really liked... I was so sad that they didn?t play it)... but I?m not sure about it as I wasn?t in Spain... I really thought they would do a 3 hours show, that they would play more songs, maybe from the Illusions... but no, nothing like that happened, and yes I was a bit dissapointed about that....

Just to finish this big review (soz guys ), I left as it finished, happy... even being a bit dissapointed and felling that something was missing there (as I said above) I think Axl and the boys did a great show, played the songs very well so I don?t have major reasons to complain... This is what we have now, and as GN?R fans, we gotta be happy that Axl is still doing this shows, so we can have a little about what were the old, magic, fantastic days!

SETLIST (as I recall, not the same order)

WTTJ
It?s so easy
Mr. Brownstone
Live and Let Die
Nightrain
Rocket Queen
Sweet Child O?Mine
November Rain
The Blues
Better
IRS
Knocking on Heaven?s Door
Patience
You Could be Mine
Outta get me
Paradise City

EDIT: I?ve just seen the concert on TV, I taped it and it?s really sad to see how bad it is... No wonder people saying the concert was bad, the sound is so terrible, oh god... and it was so damn good live!! :'(

Yeah, the show in Spain was longer. Mas foi culpa da produ??o do Rock in Rio e n?o da banda.
Eu queria ouvir My Michelle e TWAT? :(


All in all, Rock in Rio Lisbon was good..............
...except that it was in Lisbon.



Good review, thanks.

nice review, Ines, thanx for posting.  : ok:

In spain they also played Twat, Madagascar, Chinese democracy and My Michelle

People have been saying that they had to end it early. They were planning on playing Chinese Democracy and Madagascar as part of the encore. If thats true, its unfortuanate, as I really wanted to hear those songs played.

To the people who complain about it being the same setlist... keep in mind, bands don't do live shows for the people who sit around and download every live show they do. It's for the live crowd on that particular night. They pay to hear the old songs.

I'm not complaining, the show was great. But they do usually play those songs, so there must have been a reason for not playing them is all I'm saying.

The reviews given by people that were there seem to be good. ?There are only a few individuals that cant get over the mix and cant believe that the setlist was not desined for them that keep adding bad reviews.

No the show was not the best ever, but for casual fans, the performance and setlist was right on. ?: ok:

And unfortunately Axl is catering to the casual fans now instead of the hardcore fans.  Probably a smart move in terms of maximizing ticket sale profits.  Probably a bad move in terms of the health of nuGNR.  Time to release an album...otyherwise the longer this tour goes on without a release or a single release, the bigger problem this is going to become.

Great post and a lot of people need to realize this. ?I think it would be funny if Axl pulled a Bob Dylan and showed up for a show and just played all obscure shit. ?

Setlist for the next show
1. Crash Diet
2. Just Another Sunday
3. Silkworkms
4. Anything Goes
5. Shadow Of Your Love
6. Sympathy For The Devil
7. Bring It Back Home
8. Heartbreak Hotel
9. Ain't Going Down

Encore: ?My World.

The people in attendance would just be like ?:nervous: ?, BUT all the internet bootleggers would be like WHOA I got a live version of Ain't Going Down recorded from a cellphone in the parking lot of the venue.....totally amazing, you can almost hear audible music in it!

I'm wondering if some folks here were listening and watching the same show I saw. ?Here are some truths:

WTTJ, YCBM, KOHD, Night Train, NR, OTGM were awesome. ?Amazing stuff. ?The best I've heard since the early '90's.

The IRS we heard on the aol feed was bad, with Axl sounding really bad. ?The intro. of Better was not the sound we've been used to on the demo....however, as it went on, Axl and the guys kicked ass on it. ?

There had to be some reason PC was forced prematurely, none of the band sounded ready for it.

Oh yeah, also, good idea Charity Case! ?Release the album without a tour in the U.S.! ?You've got a great idea there! ?Tell Axl! ?Tell Sanctuary!! ? ?:hihi:

Damn I wanted TWAT!! ?(at least I got to be at Hammerstein May 12 to see it! ?:love:)

The new guys can play the old songs just as good as the old band (if not better).

To the haters that want a reunion, I'd love to say f.u., but that's not the proper thing to do. ? ;) ?

Ppbebe mentioned, "Me too miss BH's crisp, sunny sounds and his presence." ? :rofl: ?:rofl: ? :rofl: ?Yeah, me too, I miss that warm and fuzzy Buckethead. ?If you miss his guitar, that's one thing. ?If you miss his presence, next time come to a concert with a corpse. ?You'll get just as much movement and facial expressions. ?:D

There are 6 songs I listed above that were absolutely spot-on and I dare you to listen to them again and argue that. ?: ok:

 

Funniest post of the tour so far  : ok:

Great post. I ALSO WANT Gnr to suceed, but yesterday night's show was not historic. Axl's voice in Madrid was perfect though. Maybe he just needs to calm a bit down and not run so much in bigger stages.

Did I say "release the album without a US tour"?  No.  I said he needs to release the album before touring (or at least a single with a date for the album's release set in stone).  This is a joke with the same setlist and same show from 2002.  Without an album it's pointless.  I wouldn't pay to see that show last night, because I saw it December 2, 2002 in Boston.   Same show exactly, with the exception of two mediocre new songs (IRS and Better) and back then the band had a better guitarist.  I won't see this show in the States in the Fall unless we have an album.  I've see it already.  It just reminds me of a Jimmy Buffet show.  Same shit over and over again.

I feel bad for you if you think getting a rahashed tour with nothing new to offer is satisfying to you.  I want more.  I want new material on an album.  I want a single release and I want a video.  And then I want this band to tour on the merits of the new material and make the transition from "cover band" to "band".  I expected more last night.  I expected better.  Maybe I need to lower my expectations.   :-\

I loved every minute of last night's show.  Even with my bad connection and the sound problems...I'm glad to have shared in the experience.  There were some problems, but it was live.  You can't expect it to be perfect like it would be in a studio.   ::)

As for rehashing old material... I love the old material.  I think this tour should be a time for the band to really BECOME a band.  I know they've all been together for a long time now (except for Ron) but let's face it.  They've not been TOGETHER...they've all been doing their separate things.  So, they need this tour to gel.  Let's just have a little more patience.  We'll get more new stuff in time...soon?  Who knows.  Let's hope that this time "this fall" means this year. 

Can someone please translate the reviews.  CMon  people

Yep.
Anyone here who speaks Portuguese? We need some translations, please.


Beta?? Beta!! A little help here......

Axl was brilliant last night, showing no signs of being particularly out of breath.

What people need to do is watch a video of the old band in an average gig, not one of the landmark ones like the Ritz or Paris. Watch one of the ones like the Isreal show, Axl was awful, the band was shocking.

If you didn't enjoy the show last night, why, oh why, are you still following the band?

Yeah and people at the show wanted to hear Don't Cry and other classic, but they didnt get that did they.

Yes Im sure they all started to cry when they launched into a song other than Don't Cry.

Ohh...the despare...

You did not watch the same show we all saw. ?He was out of breath on almost every song. ?To be totally honest here, Velvet Revolver's rendition of ISE is far better than the nuGNR rendition. ?Because Scott doesn't run out of breath. ?It kills me to say that, but to be honest...it's true.


So if I don't like one particular show I should stop following my favorite band? ? : ok:

Axl sounded great on ISE even with the shitty feed. You really need to stop making stuff up

Try not to be a smart arse, the point was proved, no need for sarcastic replies.

Funny how singing along to a song suddenly means "we want this song and we will be disappointed if we don't get it"

That's a scandalous comment to make. His singing itself was woeful on It's So Easy. Anyone who thinks that sounded great is a seriously dodgy sycophant.

Can you speak for 50,000 (or was it even more) people, no you can't and neither can I.

But the fact that a large percentage of the crowd sang along the way they did during Bumblefoots solo implies they would of like to hear it.

And like other people have said in parts of Europe the Illusion albums are bigger then Appetite, why wouldn't they want to hear more Illusion songs.

Dude, they would have been singing along to ANY Guns N Roses song Bumblefoot presented!! It doesnt mean anything!

And I seriously don't consider your statement about how Europe likes the Illusion stuff more than Appetite as much more as your own opinion. You have no way of knowing what is right.

 Someone translate the reviews please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well thanks to aol i had to miss a the first songs of the evening...i was really excited too see guns on stage, but to stay this is their best show. I'm going to judge when the pro shot bootlegs surface to make my judgement. The sound was too bad to applaud or too shoot them

Dave, no offense, but your opinion of GNR is not relevent really. ?You have been one of the biggest Axl nut swingers here for years and have never found anything Axl does to be wrong. ?You probably think Finck is better than Slash or Fortus is better than Izzy. ?

By you even saying something this ridiculous, it proves that point actually. ?You're a nice guy, but your opinion is so biased it lacks relevance. ?Axl sounded horrible (I mean fucking horrible) on ISE last night. ?Listen to a boot of VR doing it live...it's 1000% better. ?And I'm not turning this into a VR versus GNR thing because I like GNR alot better than VR...I'm just offering this up as a comparison.

All of you are being idiots.  Wait until the pro-video, audio get's out.  Then you can judge.  No one can really say anything about the performance until we see that.  I can say the Dizzy Piano/Axl jam was awesome, as was I Feel Good.  Axl's voice sound's really right on in those sequences, as well as YCBM and Nightrain. 

Last time I checked there wasnt any law that forbid anyone to think that Finck is better than Slash. It's sort of a personal thing...a matter of taste.

I usually never bother to compare Slash and Finck. They both rock in their own ways...

It's like comparing two different types of pizza...doesnt really work.

no     the illusions made gnr big in europe. that`s a fact actually.


it`s so easy was great by the way....

i seriously think some people are just here to spread negativity.....

Just because it sold well doesnt mean it's holding up as good as AFD for example. It's been a few years since it was released you know.

No one really knows...if you wanna know this shit you need to contact some statistics firm and run some serious tests or something...we have no idea...theres lots of factors involved...which Im not gonna start mentioning right now.

Despite the technical problems I thought the whole concert was great - looks to me as the band has grown closer since the last tour and Axl sounds great. Seriously, what is the whining about him being out of breath - do you expect the singing to be exactly as on the records when you go watch a show? No rock singer performs flawless all through the set...and from what I heard I won't be disappointed when I'm going to see GnR in Stockholm...

 : ok:

Agree totally.

In this band, Axl is the only star, I found myself wishing that I had a Fast Forward button watching most of this.

Im bored with Appetite Live  and The new guitarist make me long for Slash.

Anyone who has a personal taste that causes them to prefer Finck to Slash is a fucking retard.

they`re both great players imo.

slash made great music, robin still makes great music....

Stop being a prick. Some people may actually NOT like the same things as you.

Anyone can just spew bullshit like you just did, but we try not to. One of the unwritten rules of the board. :yes:

It's not an argument of whether you like the same thing as me or not. It's an argument of whether you like good guitar playing or not.

You're full of it aren't you? Ever heard of different taste in music?

Guys,

I think Charity Case does make some valid points. ?I was at the 5/17 New York show and it blew me away. ?Very few mistakes were made and the performance felt very tight. ?Last night we heard 7 different solos (guitar and drums). ?We also heard Axl mess up at the intro of Patience and Paradise City. ?Furthermore, his vocals in November Rain were very much like 2002 (with the exception of the end of the song) and nothing like how he use to sound.

It's difficult to gage a concert when watching it in person versus over a shitty internet feed. ?With the internet, you don't get caught up in all the excitment from the live setting, yet you're able to scrutinize a band's performance a little better. ?I'm sure there were plenty of mistakes that I might have missed during the 5/17 show in NY. ?That said, I do remember the first time I saw the new GNR in Detroit and even though I was really excited about seeing GNR again, I have to acknowledge that the performance was less than par, especially compared to the four other shows I saw later on (Toronto, London/Ont, Boston and NY/MSG). ?

If you were there and had amazing time, awesome. ?But don't personally attack someone's opinions because they don't fit what you saw last night. ?Yes, we weren't there, but we did see the band put forward a lackluster performance (again, 7 guitar/drum solos, that's way too much). ?In place of all that soloing the band could have played Madagascar, TWAT, or anything else. ?As much as I think Fink, Fortus and Bumblefoot are amazing musicians, watching them solo isn't something I'd rank on high priority (although, watching Bumblefoot solo Don't Cry was pretty cool). ?

Anyway, those are my thoughts,

Andrew

yay... so that?s what I am then... And I was there.... And he sang it almost perfectly...The broadcast was terrible so if u didn?t go to RiR and u saw it on ur computer or TV you just can?t even say nothing about... whatever :-X

People can like Finck, but for one to think that he is better than Slash is just flat out wrong. There's no two ways about it.

I could say that the guy from Good Charlotte, according to my taste, is a better lead singer than Axl. Sure, it's MY OPINION, but that opinion is still fucking stupid.

Dead horse, dead horse...you all are beating a dead horse. 

Slash is no longer with GN'R.  This is what we have.  Enjoy it.

Finck will propably never write a bluesy solo like Slash.

Slash will propably never be able to write a song like Better.

This isnt black and white.

Anyone who thinks Finck is better than Slash probably thinks Fall Out Boy's Guitarist is better than Jimmy Page.

I know some of u are Axl loyalist to the end of time but seriously there is not one shred of evidence to make the claim of Robin being better than Slash or even anywhere in his league.


Robin's greatest contribution to date is Better.

Now think about it.

Is Better's opening riff better than SCOM? WTTJ,Locomotive?

Its nowhere close guys, nowhere fuckin close.

Is his Better solo,Blues solo anywhere in the ballpark of Slash's Estranged,NR,Coma,Civil War SCOM,KOHD,Dont Damn Me,Dont Cry solo's.

Not even close.


U can love Axl all u want but its really not necessary to try and rip on Slash to try and prove what a die hard Axl fan u are.

Enough!  Get on topic.  This is supposed to be about RIR getting great reviews. 

lol of course Robin is not better than Slash... Slash is the man, Robin is pretty good though but we can?t compare him to Slash... no way soz I had to say this...  ;)

It deserves great reviews cos it was a brilliant show.  All the doubters really need to understand that a live show is NEVER going to be 100% perfect, so why expect it?

They should just change the name of this forum to Axl vs. Slash and every post would be Axl vs. Slash in some way or the other (not like it isn't already), but it'd be easier. ?

Anyhoo to go further.......yes the one downfall I agree about last night was too many solos. ?Sure you have a great band and like my friend said...it's really great to showcase them....but when you're in a festival scenario with a shorter set, you gotta play straight through. ?
As far as playing goes....people that are basing it on this internet feed.....C'MON....you're the same people that were reviewing the concert such as the 12th from that bootleg from NY (Jazjme not dissing your recording and thanks for it) but you could barely fucking hear ANYTHING and you've got people saying OH MAN what a crappy night they had or wow Robin was really nailing those solos. ? For you people to be able to judge something from almost what is an inaudible source (much like the guitar mixes last night) ?takes a lot of gaul. ?
This is where I believe technology hurts the new band. ?I mean sure it's only about 300 people on here and maybe a 1000 on other forums together.....but this is supposed to be the hardcore fans. ? You got some guy recording shit on his cell phone or mp3 player in a mono source that sounds like it's streamed through two cans with a string tied between them and all of a sudden you have all these internet Roger Eberts going OH MAN THAT WAS SO SHITTY.
As I said before......Come on.......the new motto of heretodaygonetohell.com....Come On.

where are the reviews from the press??? i've been googling for them but i can't find any :-\ ?journalists must be enjoying sunday evening ?:hihi: maybe tomorrow will have some..

Most of them are from the local area news sources.  AOL had a good one too...as far as US reviews yet, they'll come in the next few days, give them time. 

I just decided to listen to some of the songs from Lisbon since I have been reading these negative reviews... I listened to SCOM and KOHD.... and yes, KOHD sounds like shit.  SCOM is pretty shitty as well.  Building on what people are saying I think what I am most dissapointed with is how the band has not really gone anywhere since they came back in Vegas.  Essentially the same set list, predictable stage show, they even wear the same clothes each show.  I went to the NY shows on the 14th, 15th, and 17th and I had a great time at all of them.  Even though pretty much the same songs were played they switched the set list up for each of them.

The show on the 17th was special because Izzy came out and Kid Rock came out.  It was totally unexpected and it threw everyone off.  In my mind that is what GNR has to be.  Whether its a random guest who comes out and plays or a strange song thrown in at every show, they NEED to do something like that to be fresh.  Even playing just one different UYI or Lies track at each show would be great.  Why does the Detroit show from 2002 stick out in everyone's mind??  Because they threw Rhiad into the setlist and it was the only time the band played that song on the entire U.S. tour.  The Sebastian Bach thing was cool at the NY shows, but he should not have been there every night.

Yes, this is indeed a big problem.  : ok:

Because Axl walked out after Patience.....that's why that show sticks out in everyone's mind.

AMEN to that!!  :peace:

My point is that everything is predictable.  I think its cheesy that the band members have 'costumes' when they go onstage together.  I know its awesome being able to write down the setlist and what clothes the band will be wearing on a piece of paper and take it to a show with you and the majority of those 'guesses' will be correct.   : ok:

Yes that is also true.  But that show is talked about more than most of the other shows on that tour for those reasons.  It was something different and unique to all the other shows. 

As long as they play some songs I dont really care what they wear and what order of the songs they do or whatever man..Im sorry...

I want a set list that pleases hardcore fans (new songs) but still pleases the majority dumbasses and with the exception of Don't Cry, the set list theyre doing now does just that!

Do you not think that they should throw something unique into each set they play?  Like I was saying, one UYI or Lies song that will only be played at that one show?  I think that would be more effective in pleasing the 'hardcore' fanbase and the majority. 

Out ta get me is/was unique enough..Think about you also...they never did those songs before.

The majority doesnt give a fuck as long as they get the hits...and theres plenty of them.

I do agree about maybe replacing an AFD song with a Illusion song...but I dont wanna see Out ta get me go away since it completely rocks. They could do Dont Cry, but then they have to take out a ballad...cant have just slow songs either.

I dont think they will bother rehearsing new songs from Lies or Illusion. I bet the plan is to stick with the current list and replace songs with new ones when that time comes...

i doubt you're gonna get reviews from rolling stone and mtv...and if you do, prolly not til tuesday since its memorial day weekend, and everyone is off in the u.s.

anyway, i saw the show again today...and it was a lot better then trying to watch it in bits and pieces last night.

yeah, the audio sucked on most of the show, but the parts that were all there sounded great (nov rain, otgm, the finck/fortus solo, and ron thal's don't cry)

compared to rir3, the band sounded and looked 1000 times more in synch and played better from the audio that worked. axl sounded good, but he wasnt nearly as worked up as in 2001, apparently merck said something about muscle spasms and the soundboard blowing up, so with all that considered it was a great show. as for the set list, gn'r didnt get to go on til 12:15, and they came on like a 1/2 hour after the darkness so it wasnt their fault the show was runnning long, and im guessing they cut a couple new songs in order to get the show done by 2:30am, as for there being "too many solos" i think they showcase the new talent to people that havent had the chance to see the new gn'r yet, and also they kick ass.

IMO they can drop one of the guitar solos...and add another song instead.

OR they were just happy that he played it for them and sang along!!! are you fucking stupid?! gnr finally played a huge festival show last night and all you people manage to do is complain! i don't believe it! some of you people don't even deserve to be called fans!

Im 100% sure that if a UFO landed on stage, 4 aliens came out and sang "There was a time" with Axl Rose, some people here would be on the net the day afterwords and complain about the silver grey outfits the aliens from the planet of Cygnus X wore on stage because they simply did not look like Slash or had a basic rock outfit  : ok:

"lyk omgz y didnt the aliens have mullets that woulda lyk fitted my style so much betta"

Or they didnt sing "One in a Million". Now no more posting...Nighttrain is comingon the rebroadcast.

See its the 'fans' like you that bother me the most.  We are not complaining!  We are criticizing and pointing out specific things that the band can improve on.  Of course we are happy that GNR are back.  I dont think its such a bad thing to want the band to strive for more than what they are doing currently.  It makes me a bad fan because I want GNR to put on better shows??  Damn, I am an awful fan....

         from the Rock in Rio Website : 
                                         
                                                  A Guns N? Roses Apotheosis

Axl Rose conquered the 50 thousand people who made their way to the City of Rock to see him.

The last performance of the night on the World Stage had plenty of solos, changes of outfits and fireworks. Guns n? Roses? concert lacked nothing with Axl Rose proving that he is still one of the leading figures in international rock.

There were 8 musicians on stage but Axl Rose shone brighter than anyone else, actually coming near the audience several times.

He played the piano and indeed one of the highlights of the show was ?November Rain? when a curtain of fireworks swept the stage.

Other highlights came with two well-known songs ? ?Knocking on Heaven?s Door (original song by Bob Dylan) and ?Live and Let Die? (original song by Paul McCartney). The audience was in awe.

Following their announcement that the show was over, the band decided to grant the audience one last song and returned, ending the show with ?Paradise City? while images of the Portuguese flag shone on the giant screens.

Moments before, The Darkness had also taken a tour through ?classic? band such as AC/DC or Queen and Justin Hawkins, the lively singer, got the audience to jump along with him until the very end.

His t-shirt said ?Rockers Elite? and the Darkness showed us all why the band?s first album was such a huge success.

As in the previous edition of Rock in Rio, Xutos e Pontap?s managed to gather a crowd of thousands in the valley in front of the World Stage. They ended the show in style, performing ?A Casinha?, much to the crowd?s delight who sang along. Tim, the singer, claimed that he ?must return to Rock in Rio?. We?ll be here, waiting.

On the second day of Rock in Rio-Lisboa 2006, Brazilian artist Pitty opened the World Stage, giving everyone a true lesson in rock, energizing an audience that was taken by her charm.

Text: T?nia Alves e Vera Moutinho
Photo: Paulo M. Guerrinha

this just got into my mind now... anyone else noticed, right at the beginning, richard crashing is guitar?? LOl

My 2 cents....First heard GNR 1987, saw them in concert 4 times from 89-92 (saw the famous, "If certain members of this band
dont stop dancing with Mr Brownstone, this will be our last concert...." when they opened for the Stones)..

Negative about current band/RIR5:  I agree 3 guitarists is too much...drop one of em..I dont care who.
Setlist...They've also been rather predictable/boring from UYI era onwards....Acting like its something new
is wrong.

Other than that, they look & sound great...44 yr old men run marathons...Axl just hasnt toured for so long, and
he seems to be running much more than 2002....Give it time...That issue was no big deal anyways...He sounded awesome.

The energy is no different than the old UYI tours....You cant expect the type of energy from Appetite era
at small venues like the Ritz.

GNR is back and kicking some serious ass (although a tad more boring now that Ive heard most songs 10000 times).

This things gonna explode in about 6 months....Jump on board now..

I hope ur right

Here's another review (also posted the link in the On Tour section)

http://www.correiodamanha.pt/noticia.asp?id=203280&idselect=185&idCanal=185&p=200

The reporter appears not to have liked it too much but goes on to say the audience loved it.


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Rough translation:

Pic caption: To GNR lacked obejectivity and precison but, even so, the band was the one who "pleased" the 50000 crowd the most.

The wait was long (14 years) but finally, Axl Rose and his renewed Guns N' Roses
returned to Portuguese stages. Saturday's concert however, was an instable balance
 between tear dropping emotion and annoying yawn, all because of the numerous and long
musical interludes (solos).


"Full/Bloated" in a fans' words, angry with the numerous breaks of rhythm by the need
to show off the technical abilities of the new members. Like the guitar instrumental of "Beautiful".

Even so, GNR were the ones who most rocked the audience of about 50000 fans, coming just for this show from all over Portugal.
Judging by the audience reaction, only Xutos - they would have been a better opeing than the Darkness who
couldn't warm up the crowd, in spite of numerous rehearsed attempts. They could only do it from time to time, with High way to Hell,
thunderstruck (AC/DC) and a short improvise of We will rock you.

With the usual delay (half an hour), Axl and Guns came up on stage with WTTJ. With a terrible sound (Axl with no voice)
hidden by the pyro that would underline the most emotional moments of the show. Those were, as expected
 with the old hits. SCOM opened the parade but KOHD and especially November Rain nearly "tore the house down".
There were even some shed tears down some faces. as someone said, there are people here who were concieved at the sound of these songs.

Night train, patience abd Paradise City (at the end) were other moments of true euphoria,
since from the new songs onely "IRS" and "Better" caused real impact.

Warm, Axl thanked the crowd (you are very virtuous and even asking how many of you thought we'd be here? in an obvious reference to the "miracle" of the ressurection of the band.
The truth, however, is that in Lisbon Guns lacked obectivity and precision. A concert can't
be a parade of characters no matter how talented they are.

So, in the end, the fans were divided. Some say Guns can still make it big again, others find that to be a difficult objective.
IN the end RIR only allowed Axl to keep the flame of the desire toreturn to the good old days alight.