Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Thought I'd take the liberty of creating tonight's thread  :)


To all board members attending have a great time  : ok:

will do  ;D

Hope that Ron feels better tonight ::) Is anyone going to send some updates?

See you all there!

Newcastle is a great place where drinking in moderation is punishable by arrest  :beer:

Hi all,

Just tipping everyone off that Newcastle Arena (www.metroradioarena.com) has amended the stage times for tonights gig!

Guns N' Roses (Tonight)
Amended times below, following last night's show at Sheffield Arena.

Doors 17:45 Doors Auditorium 18:15 Sebastian Bach 19:10 Changeover 20:05-20:30 Bullet For My Valentine 20:30-21:05 Guns N' Roses 21:50 - 23:50

These are given as approximate, and may vary depending on the artist/production. However, we'd like to make you aware that the show will potentially be late in finishing.

Not many people are going to have time to check this, guess alot of people will be abit confused when they get there tonight.

i think there was some personal issues about the ron thingie...

Yeah, I figured I'd better start a new thread in case anyone was qucikly scanning and missed it on the main thread!

Anyone planning to catch the metro home - forget it.

Are we getting any updates tonight??

I would assume the updates will be coming pretty regularly tonight. Hopefully Ron will feel/be better!

 I wonder what the setlist is gonna look like tonight.

ron ron ron ron ron pq persone ne peut te battre mon ron!!!!! my fellows co-citizen will understand that one!!!!!!

no updates from me im at home tonight having a rest

hope someone does do it just to see the setlist again as im thinking of going manchester on sunday

Smart move, anythinggoes, you could use some rest!  :)

Thanx for yesterday's updates, again!  : ok:

I'm curious about tonight's setlist, too, but mostly about Ron's mood.
Hopefully whatever was bothering him is fixed now.  :)

same old setlist dude

dont expect any chances

LOL, yesterday we had not the same old setlist  :hihi:

just because they cut it down
but what i was trying to say is that they wont play any new songs for sure

 Nothing's for sure with GNR dude!

Let's see what happens with Bumblefoot.

si, Fortus. and I'm sure you understand that too ;D

so i'll take it we don't have any updates tonight?

Interesting. They've obviously arranged an extended license after last night...

LOL, I just thought they took the stage times of yesterdays show...

No info yet? Gn'R should be hitting the stage anytime now if I'm not wrong

no updates tonight? bumblefoot should keep us updated hes got nothing else to do  : ok:

Yeah I'm waiting for that "Gn'R is on now" -post too :-\ Well, they're late anyway, so it's not any wonder if the post is late too ;) I don't know is anyone sending updates tonight though.. hope so.

I'll be receiving updates for another forum but I'll update here too whenever possible if nobody else is. Of course this all depends on if my friend has a phone signal or not.

On the other forum you haven't updated as well....
Are there any updates??

Hate to be a stuck record but any updates anybody?  Nobody doing the job tonight.  There must be some of this sites members there.  Any volunteers?

Man you earned the rest. Thanks for the updates.Whats the story with Ron ? What happened last night. Just read the thread from last night and someone mentioned Ron doing something. Kind of caught my attention as the guy seems a real happy guy. so any mention of him being off form or whatever will catch the attention.

Not yet. I wonder will they play tech dificulties ?  :hihi:

Not on stage yet, just spoke with him. Stage is ready and just waiting.

somebody has updates for today?? ??

sneeks has

I love that song, dude!
Technical Difficulties:
A well written gem!!!! ;D

Splash

/Mike

Ya ive created a monster. Twasnt even planned. And Fransman didnt help by bringing it back up. 

Sorry

and the waiting goes on

Ah sure ill see how long it lasts for. If it keeps going.Ill get the song title to Axl.Basically a load of noise,and feedback and stuff. Has potential.  ;D Im not helping myself.

ANYWAY back on topic,before someone gets mad. Updates ?

I don't know if I can bring myself to forgive you.

Love your avater the dirt

Anything happening? ?Otha than me getting pissed and stoned waiting?

Still waiting, crowd are booing.

ya its class. Tis true,sneeky type them penguins. See what no updates does to us.

let's boo with them, maybe it helps.....

boooooooooooooooooooooooooo

OK, I guess you're forgiven now ?:beer:

Ah crap. Axl lad, suspense is big enough. Lets go Please.

If they are this late in Glasgow on Friday then I fear we'll have a very short set.

Has the booing before they go on been a common occurance at these shows?

Yeah and that was close to 10:40pm  ;D

Audiences tend to boo when the band keeps dragging on with their appearence.

Nothing to be too worried about at this point.

in Paris, there was the booing before the show, and also during the show (Ron's shredd solo before Don't cry). lol.
Even me, although I didn't boo, I was quite pissed off. I stayed calm and quiet though.

At Hammersmith after 1 hour and 40 mins of waiting in a theatre temp of around 32 degrees the booing was so loud they heard it outside of the theatre. ?All was forgiven once they went on though.

Nice thanks :beer:

Ah jeez...

On the hottest July day ever Axl is keeping the crowd waiting. People already been carried out over the barrier at the front.

Maybe Axl wants us to wait till it's going to freeze??

Out of heat stroke or the like?

Oh great. Thats the way to get the fans on your side.

Ae you not in england and ireland the last week ? Tis roasting here.

Just like at the Hammersmith the crowd is a mixture of people cheering and many booing still.

Well no, I'm in Canada here and it's roasting as hell too.

Drinks on stage.

Intro music playing.

You're right...

This is very disturbing that Axl does this shit when it's roasting outside.

Welcome to the Jungle (no surprise there)

Thanks for updating us sneeks!!!

Ron's there, I assume?
And looking happy to be?
Yeah, I'd bet on that.

Splash

/Mike

So they started about 10.20 right?

If the curfey is still 11.00 o'clock it will be a 40 minute setlist  :hihi:

He's there and looking fine :)

Thank you for that, sneeks!
We HAD to put that to rest.
People were freaking!

Splash

/Mike

It aint lad. Wasnt it said somewhere that its 11.50

start show?

10 minutes ago...

Started at 10:17pm Fransman and Apple7

Hows the crowd now?

There was said that they are sceduled from 9.50 to 11.50 right? But I haven't read something about the curfey

Kiki is here again!!  ;D

Really??

So is he moving around and smiling and being his usual self or standing in a corner all grumpy like last night?

 ok thanks very much sneeks

01 Welcome to the Jungle
02 It's So Easy
03 Mr Bownstone
04 Live and Let Die

No suprises there

Right so no change then. Wonder if TD will be next. Thats the last time ill mention it.

He's moving around having fun, crowd are loving it and Robin is now playing his solo.

Really wow i'm really happy i hope whatever happened yesterday has been solved and I hope stays for all the songs and does the bow in the end. :)

01 Welcome to the Jungle
02 It's So Easy
03 Mr Bownstone
04 Live and Let Die
05 Robin Solo
06 Sweet Child O' Mine - Axl leaning against Ron while singing :)

Nice to here that, any response of Ron?

Still no TD than....

From what I can gather Ron is perfectly happy and having fun with all of the band. No problems visible.

I'll take it that Frank is still on drums

Yes he's still there.


01 Welcome to the Jungle
02 It's So Easy
03 Mr Bownstone
04 Live and Let Die
05 Robin Solo
06 Sweet Child O' Mine - Axl leaning against Ron while singing :)
07 Knockin' On Heavens Door - Axl and Ron having a laugh together during this song.

Ron and Richard are so far staying well away from one another. May not mean anything though.

Ron and Richard are never standing right next to eachother, right??

So I'll take it that everything, if there ever was anything, is cleared up

01 Welcome to the Jungle
02 It's So Easy
03 Mr Bownstone
04 Live and Let Die
05 Robin Solo
06 Sweet Child O' Mine
07 Knockin' On Heavens Door
08 Jam/ Dizzy Solo
09 The Blues

So far identical to last night

weird that they didnt play better again

Maybe further on in the setlist...

I Hope :-[

01 Welcome to the Jungle
02 It's So Easy
03 Mr Bownstone
04 Live and Let Die
05 Robin Solo
06 Sweet Child O' Mine
07 Knockin' On Heavens Door
08 Jam/ Dizzy Solo
09 The Blues
10 Jam - Axl playing with maracas  ;D
11 You Could Be Mine

Now that I think of it Ron and Richard are always pretty far apart from each other.

I've see Ron and Finck pair up during the intro to Paradise City.

thats good to hear.And axl seems to be in good form. With the maracas and stuff. And ya i dont remember ron and richard being that close at RIR. Well PC anyway( i think)

01 Welcome to the Jungle
02 It's So Easy
03 Mr Bownstone
04 Live and Let Die
05 Robin Solo
06 Sweet Child O' Mine
07 Knockin' On Heavens Door
08 Jam/ Dizzy Solo
09 The Blues
10 Jam
11 You Could Be Mine
12 Robin & Richard solo (Beautiful)
13 Out Ta Get Me

Ron's solo is missing tonight after YCBM

correct me if im wrong but ron and fortus are always on the same side of the stage , at least i think so.

ron and fortus - left
tommy and robin - right
axl - middle

that is correct.

This could be meaning something.....

then everything is not normal :nervous:

ohhhh wouldnt we have heard better or IRS by now?  :'(

no robin solo means they're pressed for time cause they went on late and have to fit in you gotta move.

01 Welcome to the Jungle
02 It's So Easy
03 Mr Bownstone
04 Live and Let Die
05 Robin Solo
06 Sweet Child O' Mine
07 Knockin' On Heavens Door
08 Jam/ Dizzy Solo
09 The Blues
10 Jam
11 You Could Be Mine
12 Robin & Richard solo (Beautiful)
13 Out Ta Get Me
14 Jam - Axl joins in on Piano and says that Elton John wished him a good show so Axl is wearing glasses ;D
15 November Rain

That's their startingposition yes, but they're using the whole stage during the show

nah, it's gonna be a great show

for example they are cutting back solos for new songs later in the set

shit people are reading so much into every move gnr make

Richard and Ron are sharing the same side of the stage still so lets not worry about that.

Ah, Kiki here again

Chill, just made a joke...  :hihi:

im sure it is. i was just offering a reason as to why the solo may have omitted to quell the rumours. think i meant to say ron instead of robin though.

Ron is missing during November Rain

maybe it's jet to come

He always come at the end of the song

Yeah he returned at the end for the final solo :)

Band member introductions now.

yeah, i noticed acouple of times in oslo too, i couldnt find him. i was thinkin; where the fuck did he go, oh well.
NOT: oh man, did ron leave? maaan, he must be pissed and unhappy with the band.

Sorry lost my sarcasm radar for a brief minute  :hihi:

Must be all the bitchin

No problem, have the same problem so now and than

01 Welcome to the Jungle
02 It's So Easy
03 Mr Bownstone
04 Live and Let Die
05 Robin Solo
06 Sweet Child O' Mine
07 Knockin' On Heavens Door
08 Jam/ Dizzy Solo
09 The Blues
10 Jam
11 You Could Be Mine
12 Robin & Richard solo (Beautiful)
13 Out Ta Get Me
14 Jam - Axl joins in on Piano and says that Elton John wished him a good show so Axl is wearing glasses
15 November Rain
16 Band Intro

where are the new songs man!

01 Welcome to the Jungle
02 It's So Easy
03 Mr Bownstone
04 Live and Let Die
05 Robin Solo
06 Sweet Child O' Mine
07 Knockin' On Heavens Door
08 Jam/ Dizzy Solo
09 The Blues
10 Jam
11 You Could Be Mine
12 Robin & Richard solo (Beautiful)
13 Out Ta Get Me
14 Jam - Axl joins in on Piano
15 November Rain
16 Band Intro
17 Bumblefoot Solo - Axl introduces him as being the master of concealed weapons

Reference to the 'wings'?

01 Welcome to the Jungle
02 It's So Easy
03 Mr Bownstone
04 Live and Let Die
05 Robin Solo
06 Sweet Child O' Mine
07 Knockin' On Heavens Door
08 Jam/ Dizzy Solo
09 The Blues
10 Jam
11 You Could Be Mine
12 Robin & Richard solo (Beautiful)
13 Out Ta Get Me
14 Jam - Axl joins in on Piano
15 November Rain
16 Band Intro
17 Bumblefoot Solo - Axl introduces him as being the master of concealed weapons

Axl now drinking some Newcastle Brown Ale :)

18 My Michelle

yeah dude! newcastle is THE shit!! good to see the man has good beer taste!

EDIT, yeah.. forgot he is IN newcastle, so its no wonder he drank it :P

my michelle, whit or whitout Bach?

Look like only The Blues again :(

I hope they play more new songs tonight...

01 Welcome to the Jungle
02 It's So Easy
03 Mr Bownstone
04 Live and Let Die
05 Robin Solo
06 Sweet Child O' Mine
07 Knockin' On Heavens Door
08 Jam/ Dizzy Solo
09 The Blues
10 Jam
11 You Could Be Mine
12 Robin & Richard solo (Beautiful)
13 Out Ta Get Me
14 Jam - Axl joins in on Piano
15 November Rain
16 Bumblefoot Solo
17 My Michelle (W/ Bach)
18 You Gotta Move (w/ Izzy sharing vocals at the end)

Was the Bumblefoot solo Don't Cry?

yeah, You Gotta Move! It's nice to have that song on setlist now.  : ok:

When Bach came on stage he told Axl to play IRS, unfortunately he didn't  ;D

Yes the solo was Don't Cry.

There's must be a reason for this apparently change, I mean, they always played "Better" at least in every Gig ???

01 Welcome to the Jungle
02 It's So Easy
03 Mr Bownstone
04 Live and Let Die
05 Robin Solo
06 Sweet Child O' Mine
07 Knockin' On Heavens Door
08 Jam/ Dizzy Solo
09 The Blues
10 Jam
11 You Could Be Mine
12 Robin & Richard solo (Beautiful)
13 Out Ta Get Me
14 Jam - Axl joins in on Piano
15 November Rain
16 Bumblefoot Solo (Don't Cry)
17 My Michelle (W/ Bach)
18 You Gotta Move (w/ Izzy sharing vocals at the end)

I'd already posted that Fransman  ;D

01 Welcome to the Jungle
02 It's So Easy
03 Mr Bownstone
04 Live and Let Die
05 Robin Solo
06 Sweet Child O' Mine
07 Knockin' On Heavens Door
08 Jam/ Dizzy Solo
09 The Blues
10 Jam
11 You Could Be Mine
12 Robin & Richard solo (Beautiful)
13 Out Ta Get Me
14 Jam - Axl joins in on Piano
15 November Rain
16 Bumblefoot Solo
17 My Michelle (W/ Bach)
18 You Gotta Move (W/ Izzy sharing vocals at the end)
19 Think About You (W/ Izzy)
20 Patience (W/ Izzy)

Yeah, I think Better was the only new song they had played in every show so far, IRS was played in nearly all shows, so it's pretty weird. If they were out of time I think they should cut some of the old songs instead of the new ones

It's really looking like they will do the same as yesterday. Unless they play a bunch of new stuff in the encore...

My bad, thought I just update it....  ;D

I just believe that Brian May comes and plays CITR, maybe in Wembley or earlier  ;) , that would be a nice moment. He just have to come and play some songs with GNR in these shows  :'(

Well, he doesn't have to, but if he did that would surely be sweet :D

hey Jude, that'd be fucking awesome... wasn't he supposed to be in hammersmith?

Fucking drop Think About You & Live And Let Die and put in Better & TWAT or IRS... or something new...

I am big fan of Queen.. so that's why i hope that  ::)

01 Welcome to the Jungle
02 It's So Easy
03 Mr Bownstone
04 Live and Let Die
05 Robin Solo
06 Sweet Child O' Mine
07 Knockin' On Heavens Door
08 Jam/ Dizzy Solo
09 The Blues
10 Jam
11 You Could Be Mine
12 Robin & Richard solo (Beautiful)
13 Out Ta Get Me
14 Jam - Axl joins in on Piano
15 November Rain
16 Bumblefoot Solo
17 My Michelle (W/ Bach)
18 You Gotta Move (W/ Izzy sharing vocals at the end)
19 Think About You (W/ Izzy)
20 Patience (W/ Izzy)

Axl sprayed Ron with some water which made Ron fall over ;D

21 Nightrain (W/ Izzy)

He does seem to love making guest appearances - showed up at the Foo Fighters show in London a couple of weeks ago...

They should drop TAY and KOHD at least IMO, I'd drop Patience too

Don't drop TAY, it has special memories for me!

Axl has just walked off stage, reason unknown and awaiting update.

Ah, here is TD!

Maybe solo next, nightain then and Paradise City, let's see what tey gonna play  ::)

Apparently someone had thrown something onstage that Axl was not happy about. He's now returned to stage and they have restarted Nightrain.

I like think about you :( But I really want TWAT played live again... I would love that swap :P

I'm guessing the encore will be IRS, CD, PC

:P

what is TD?

Technical Difficulties, a new number fast becoming a crowd favourite.

Technical Difficulies, was a joke from last night.. ?:hihi:

this lack of new songs is shit man

LOL, I like you explanation more

Agreed.? It seems like he's in a good mood too which makes it weird.? The only thing I can think of is he's afriaid of bootlegs.? But why get concerned now??

And to think, since with this being "The UK Tour", people thought there would be even more new songs showcased than before... :-\

yeah, i just remebered when i was brushing my teeths now... genius!  :hihi:

Ok bad news time.

just received the full story of what happened during Nightrain. Something was thrown onstage and Axl was not happy, shouted "goodnight" and left the stage. Eventually returned and completed the song only to shout "that's the end of the show, goodnight" Show over. Crowd now left the venue. No PC.

well, first "i'm going home, good fucking night" of the tour...

do you know if it hit him or any of the band members?

fuck got that on message too

i can't figure out for the life of me WHY people throw shit on the stage! ?It seems to piss Axl off more than most, maybe they do it just to egg him on...

Was this an even later finish than last night? ?:o

Who knows why people throw stuff? Perhaps a product of them having had so much more time to drink waiting for the band to come on stage... 

it sucks for everyone else, that some fucking prick ruins everything. it don't take much to piss axl off, people should know that...

c'mon stupid lame motherfucker

Not sure who or what was hit but it obviously upset Axl.

Show lasted 2 hours, same setlist as Sheffield but minus Paradise City.

exactly 30 minutes later finish than last night.

axl should grow up and ignore it

could have been longer....

No Paradise City? :o

What would you do, if you've been hit?

Next gig is Glasgow so I hope he's in a good mood by then.

axl was hit

well... people wanted setlist change! here it is! and i wouldnt be suprised if there are more bitching about it and want the old set list back! :hihi:

HAuahuahuhuahuhuahua ?now he is realy back !!!!

That concludes my updates for the night  ;D Hope ya enjoyed.

Hmmm...can't people control themselves? Why would anyone fuckin throw anything on stage?

The lack of new songs two nights in a row kinda worries me though, for some reason...

Yes, lets punish the thousands of fans that paid for the show and stayed through the god-awful heat just because someone threw something on-stage. ::)

he walks off and goes home and he doesnt play many new songs. does he hate the uk?

Thanks a bunch, we really appreciate it :)

what... the... fuck... someone near the guy who threw that (what ever it was?), should pounce on the guy... and then tell everyone he did it, so they can beat the crap out of him ?:yes:

Well, Sharleen Spiteri from the pop group Texas got hit by a shoe a couple of weeks ago at Hyde Park. She's hardly the wild man of rock that Axl is, and her reaction was to call him a fucker, point him out to the rest of the crowd and offer him out for a fight there and then, then carry on with the show regardless.

Thanks for updates sneeks  : ok:

We did, thanx a lot sneeks :beer:
Too bad because of some prick it has to end this way...

lol... they wouldn't set up 10 dates in uk if they hated it.

i don't get it why so few new songs though... best setlist so far on tour = norway #1... any setlist been like this so far?

My pleasure dudes. Thanks also to S.P.I.K.E. for all of the texts during the concert.

No. But some fans in the uk hate him and throw him stuff  and obviously he doesn`t like it ;) . Fuck The Haters!

 :no: that sucks. ?It was going to happen sooner or later, axl's handled (stuff thrown at stage)very well so far during the tour but enough is enough. too bad everyone had to pay for one or two idiots.

Some people take it, some people don't.
Axl tolerated booing, "we want slash" chants and even sound problems, but shit thrown at the stage is one thing he usually does not put up with...

I still think that (I know it's not goint to happen) they need to get on stage earlier, and a lot of these problems won't emerge. Let's say 9pm - not *too* early but about standard for a rock show over here. That way they can play 'til 11:30 with no huge worries, even if our new friend TD makes an appearance.

Yeah! I would react the same way as Axl and the band! Why fucking throwing things.. this is a rock show! Not a fucking throwing contest..

They atleast got some good GnR tunes! A year ago that seamed impossible

nope, oslo #2 comes close tho, the only song missing the second time was RQ!!! : ok:

what happened tonight is classical english behavior. there's always stupid motherfuckers in the crowd that deserve to get crippled because they keep fucking up for all the rest! god damn jordies motherfuckin' cunts! burn in hell you stupid fuckin' assholes!!!!

i'm glad axl walked off stage, stupid fuckin people like that doesn't deserve better.

i feel sorry for the the rest tho.

Yep, they really dont deserve that, it's true. Let's see what happens in next shows.

some of those "rest" could have prevented this...

There's nothing you can do from preventing a drunken dick from throwing something.
Main thing is, they got a full setlist minus the encore. So they can't feel too cheated and have only the dick in the crowd to blame. Though Axl could have toughed it out, I can't blame him for skipping the encore since he did get hit.

the tour is cancelled....axl goin home....no chinese democracy...same old story over and over again!!!!! :o

how do you prevent this, you can't. Axl did the only possible thing and ended the show, let's hope the fuckers stop throwing things next time

c'mon most people are not on there own

well, its gotta be some sorta record for shows actually completed? when was the last time they had a run that long? the 80s? another pretty bad PR move, but you know... fuck it.

I feel sorry for the fans in Newcastle, but like someone said, they did get a full show minus PC so I guess they got their moneys worth.


Jesus, I am soooo fuckin worried about Friday night, all I want is an uninterrupted kick ass GN'R show and I sooooo hope we get that!

Fuck you, you fucking sterotype casting fuck wit. I think you'll find it's spelt GEORDIE and I'd like to see you shout that over here in Newcastle!

And why the fuck anyone would be bothered about not seeing and hearing ?'The WAR Project' covering Paradise City anyway is beyond me! The dude probably did them all a favour in the end! ?:yes: ?:smoking:

i don't think that's going to happen...

anyone know what was thrown on stage? and what axl did with it?

you're in the wrong forum dude, go to Google and search for "n'sync"

Unless a band member was hurt, there is no reason to stop the show over one object on stage! As uncool as it is to throw shit, it is extremely unprofessional to end the show early and take it out on the other 19,999 people who enjoyed themselves. Let the "Axl is back" and "How punk rock of Axl to walk off" talk start........NOW ::)

this would be most probably the end of Guns N' Roses.

Mabe it was a Slash T-Shirt?

It's not like Axl walked off and went home half-way through the show...there would have only been one song left anyway

The good ones have to suffer underneath the bad ones

not gonna happen...

sure, this just must not happen

are you becoming a new fan over these days?

Shouldn't matter if it was a Slash T-shirt, a BucketHead KFC bucket, a Duff bass pedal, or a Steven Adler popcorn necklace, in the words of Queen "The show must go on!"

Oh Fucking Yeah ?: ok:

Hoooooligens...

Axl will do what Axl wants to do :)

maybe velvet revolver? ?:o

There must be a hell of lot of noobs at these shows, "we want Slash" :rofl:
I hope this doesn't affect the rest of the UK tour; I'm looking forward to seeing GN'R on 30th at Wembley 8)

Thanks for the updates sneeks and S.P.I.K.E.!!!? : ok:

Remember Argentina 92' when someone through something on the stage and Axl stopped in mid You Could Be Mine and brought out the translator and said that if it happened again he'd go home and that if anyone in the audience saw someone throw something to "beat the fuck out of them".

 ::) Ah, the truth always hurts doesn't it. :yes: Whatever mate, nice reply.  :no: End of converstation. ?:peace:

that'd be nice  ;D lol

There's a Velvet Revolver section in the HTGTH forum too...

just one question:

Are you a fan or not?

No wonder you have 3 posts only... ::)

think and say what u want.. but... in the end.. there may be a chance that you`ll see the light yourself...
Axl = Guns N Roses

If AXL pulls this shit in the USA it will officially KILL GNR in the USA.......................He may be able to get away with it in Europe but if he thinks about walking off stage in the USA it will kill his career...especially after the 02 tour was deemed a failure in the USA and considering there is much more negativity towards Axl and people wanting the "old band" back in the fold

nooooo don't quote him..just ignore him haha it's becoming a colorful thread with so many smilies lol : p

what a retarded post you just made.    Paradise City is one of the highlights of the whole show, and if you've actually seen the band yourself live, you'd know this.  You're just some silly hating mother fucker with nothing better to do than sit around on boards for bands you dont even like.  :-\

Yeah, he should have CD out before the US tour.. thats my opinion anyway... Better, TWAT, IRS.. damn, this will be a strong record!
But im abit worried about no new(demo) songs on the UK tour yet..

I agree, at least a single should be out when they start touring the US

this is a good thing. along with the biting incident. the fire still burns in the fucker. axl is fucking back well and fucking truly!

Maybe building some tension...?

Axl walked off stage in Detroit and the tour carried on with big shows in Toronto, Boston and New York before it was deemed "a failure" after Philly.

The lack of new songs won't fly in the U.S.... but playing an entire show minus an encore is no big deal.

just come back from the gig in newcastle, axl stormed off stage cause someone threw a coin at him and hit him, i was in the fron seating block and seen it all, i know no one should have to put up with stuff being thrown at you, but surely he's used to this by now shame that one person spoilt the whole concert, there wasnt many happy faces leaving the arena and a LOT of people calling axl when the house lights came on

all in all i thought it was a dissapointing gig, even had they played paradise city i wouldnt have been impressed, i thought it was decent but thats about it,

Reet, I've just got back from the newcastle gig. I was sitting right at the front, block 100 parralell to the security at the front of the stage.

1) I did not hear ONE where's slash chant! It didn't happen, not one. If some idiot was chanting it it never made stage!
2) I never saw anything hit Axl, he walked to the front and picked something up of the ground said something, told the band to stop and they all walked off looking confused.
3) Offstage he done a mini rant about telling security if we saw anyone throw things.
4) They came back on, finished nightrain and that was it!

Fucked a great gig up, totally uncalled for. Everyone in the band was enjoying it!

How was the crownd before that?!

crowd was into the the heavier songs but there was sooo many breaks and solos (i know every one says this) and it really does stop any momentum going,

Axl should have been a pro and finished the Gig. To come back out and play nightrain and then not play Paradise City, that's just being a prick. I would have been fucking pissed off at Axl if I was at that show.

Just got back from the gig.  Just quickly...

1.  Brilliant to see Izzy... alas I have seen my hero perform.  His guitar and backing mic wasn't loud enough though.  Shame that his guitar solos (Think About You/Nightrain) were performed by Fortus, as well.  Would have been better rehearsing 14 Years instead of covering You Gotta Move.

2. Great to see Axl... in fine voice.  I remember downloading a few boots from 2001/2 and being very dissapointed.  He's sounding like his old self.

3. As you know... Axl took the band off at start of second verse of Nightrain.  "It only takes one to ruin the show!"  No Axl, it doesn't.  Rise above it.  Get security onto them AFTER YOU FINISH THE SONG.

It was surreal when they left the stage.   Apart from diving into the crowd and the ensuing riot, it was exactly like the St. Louis incident.   All the band walked off, with Iz standing there, leaving the stage last of all, almost apologetically.  Can't help but feel his days on the tour are numbered.  I know it wasn't the root of the problems that led to him leaving in '91, but Izzy was sure pissed off at the lateness (1h45m tonight) and Axl's regular storming off stage.  Should have still done Paradise City and said good night properly.  Felt a little short-changed and it was a bit anti-climatic.  Still, all in all, very enjoyable show otherwise.

Was thinking about making a last minute trip up to Glasgow, but  probably won't bother now.   :no:

I feel sorry for the man :-\

indeed

You cant throw things at the stage, people should know better.  Axl is unstable as it is, let alone being hit by something to really set him off.  Id be very disappointed if i was a fan there and the show ended like that.  I hope GNR puts on a great show on friday for the UK, but I wouldnt be surprised know if something were to happen to end the tour prematurely.  The tour has been goign so well and it seems its starting to unravel alittle, I hope they can just push through and finish on a good note.

Shouldn't walk off and cut the show short out of courtacy (sic) for the fans that didn't toss a coin.

Maybe it was a Chinese coin.

got back from the gig an hour ago

two things:
1. Axl WAS hit by a ?1 coin
2. at the gig in sheffield Richard & Bumblefoot had several arguments with each other

I fucking hope some ned on Friday doesn't decide to copy tonight's idiot.


Why ruin Newcastle's first look at the 2006 line-up and pay ?40 for the oppurtunity to do so.

oh well...thats why coins should be for cents, big ass coins for pounds, dollars, whatever are always a bad idea...plus it looks really bad at strip clubs when strippers have to pick up change at the end of their shows...thats why the dollar bill is always the way to go.

Not really... I was one of those rest, I have no idea who threw whatever it was that was thrown, and the vast majority of the audience also could not have prevented it. Maybe one or two of the people near the dick who threw it could, but that is all.
Having just found out it was a COIN that hit Axl I am not in the least bit surprised he walked off. A plastic bottle is one thing, but to be hit with a coin, that is just dangerous. I knew it was something small, but a coin is something I never expected it to be. That is just out of order!

Anyway, the show...

Bumblefoot, first off, I read all the stuff yesterday about him being in a bad mood and stuff, but watching him tonight he seemed to be fine, he was laughing, making faces at the crowd, and playing incredibly!! The man is a real guitar hero! I thought that he seemed in a better mood than at (my only real GnR referance point) Donnington, and he was on fire then too. November Rain, his ending to that song.. Awsome!
The songs they played, they played fantastically well, and I really really enjoyed them! Izzy coming on was a fantastic occasion, and he was great, it was lovely to hear him sing as well (btw, is the bald guy Del James??). The sound was fine, the band were tight and full of energy, couldn't fault anything they did. The only problem was what they didn't do, ie Paradise City & a few new songs... I think had I not been lucky enough to go to Donnington and see them do a verrrry long set with 5 new songs etc, I might be more dissapointed than I am, I feel more for the people who didn't get to go to any of the other shows so far, and can't go to any others....... but that makes it sound like a bad show, and it absolutley was not, I loved every single minute of it, I just wish there could have been more minutes to love! I'm pretty sure this isn't the last we've seen of GnR up here in the North East... can't wait for them to come back!! :P

I might do a proper review tomorrow when I'm more awake, I have some cool pics as well which I'll attempt to put up lol  :P

I agree, Izzys a class act and doesnt tolerate that shit. I imagine his involvement will now be limited which is a real shame

where did you hear about richard and bbf getting into an argument, any idea over what too?

Plain and simple, Axl is just a little bitch. ?Yeah, lets throw a tantrum like a three year old because someone hit him with a coin. ?What an unprofessional asshole move. ?This tour is quickly becoming a joke. ?It has now truly turned into a greatest hits tour and it should be called "Welcome to Amateur Hour with Axl Rose". ?People should throw stuff at him not out of principle. ?I think we are about to see another band implosion and CD will never see the light of day. ?

Ok, encouarge people throwing stuff to harm the band is disgusting, and possibly illegal (ban him right there board owners, huge liability--ban him). ?Coins being thrown from a crowd at a college football game I was at, almost killed a member of the pep band during a pre-game show two years ago where I live. ?Your post speaks for itself, and is profoundlly antagonizing and pathetic.

Secondly, if it was a coin, that is totally dangerous. ?What's next, knife tossing, shooting? ?This is a different day and age, and Axl is responsible for everyone on stage. ?The last thing he needs is someone getting hit in the temple by a high velocity coin, or other object. ?Someone could be seriously injured or killed. ?They played two hours, and did not incite a riot. ?On to the next gig, and let's hope they have better security and less drunken psychopaths in the crowd. ?

the music press just continue to crucify him and rightfully so. He brings it all on himself.

its only getting small mentions (the tour), but most are bad - alluding to the lateness and disrespect in general being shown

i was talking to a lighting guy and he said that both of them were keeping out of each others way all night after constantly arguing, havent a clue what it was about but it seems to be sorted now cause BBF seemed happy tonight so did Richard

take it in the context it was intended, not as an excuse to post apologist ramblings  ::)

I wouldnt go that far. The 02 tour went through a lot more before the cracks started to show. Things are looking more solid this time. Not flawless, but more than enough to wear it out.

YOu
YOu beat me to it, my sentiments exactly.

You sound like George W. Bush, and your rhetoric, is well shallow, hollow "shit." ?If anything, metaphorically, ?you are being an apologist, defending wanton acts of violence. ?I don't care what his thought was, he encouraging throwing Coins at the band. ? It's inexcusable at that point. ?Where does one draw the line idiot?

jimmytheagent"the music press just continue to crucify him and rightfully so. He brings it all on himself"

Tell me how do you say someone throwing something that could potentially be distructive, or harmfull to himself or any member of the band be bring it on himself!? please explain as for the situation at hand, I really would love to know, especially reading how some said the band was great? 

Axl used to be such a badass. ?Now he is a joke . ?If the album is ever released I'll buy it and listen to it objectively ?but until then I am done with this band. ? I also refuse to go to any U.S shows unless a single ?or the album is released . ? ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ?already . ?Even though this tour has sold well ( tickets ) ?nobody but the Axl fans seem to give a shit about him anymore . If nobody in Europe gives a fuck about him anymore ?imagine ?how the response is going to be here in the U.S . ? He's going to have to perform in some 80's mullet haired ?reject bars ? because he sure as hell won't be filling any arenas ?with this pathetic ?setlist ?and no album . ? I thought he was starting to put things together ?I was fuckin wrong there. ? FUCK YOU AXL !!!

Knife throwing? Shooting? ?Getting a little carried away there. ?Liability and should be banned? ?That's funny, get a grip. ?If Axl is responsible for everyone on stage then isn't he equally responsible for the fans? ?That would, in turn, make him responsible for himself being hit by a coin! ?Perhaps if the Almighty Axl respected his fanbase and showed up on time and quit playing the same ol' bullshit then it would not have happened. ?I saw Primus back in 95 and someone hit Claypool with a shoe. ?His respone, "Have fun walking home in the snow with one shoe, motherfucker!" ?and the show went on.

Richard and Bumble are arguing? I hope Richard goes Honky Tonk Man on Bumble.

swingtrader is so done with this band that he follows axl's every move everyday...

and the 2002 tour grossed $7 million on like 15 shows...it took motley crue 120 shows to gross $40 million...axl's not gonna have a problem selling out arenas in the US...the greatest hits album has sold over 3 millions copies in the US...its been in the billboard top 100 for 120 weeks...but of course no one has any interest in this band in the US

Good for you, I don't care who it is playing. ?Getting hit by a metal coin, on stage, would make many bands end a show. ?No big deal. ?Really, I don't know if there are one or two members with multiple usernames, but there is a group of idiots on here that want to exploit, and turn negative every post with only one intent: ?to hurt the creditibility or the new band. ?You try to turn last nights show/Sheffield post into "Ron is gone, band is done," and now tonight, "Axl's done, everyone hates him, band is done." ?Blah, blah, blah. ?The tour has been very successful, the Greatest Hits moved up again in U.S. charts and has now been on the charts for 120+ weeks, and the band is gaining much street cred. ?This is one pit stop, in a race. ?Quit overblowing it, and really, if you are going to post something encouraging harm to others, or your 400th post proclaiming the death of the band, or whatever, then don't frickin post. ?Really, you are idiotic, warped TWATS!

I dont think he was getting carried away there. Look at what happened to Dimebag Darrell a couple years ago. Shot on stage while playing a fucking show. Anything can happen nowadays.

And as far as Axl being a joke nowadays Swingtrader...I dont think so. Go back to May and see the New York shows and see the who's who of Hollywood being there and being into it. Guns is the biggest selling tour in Europe, if you dont believe me then go check Live Nation. Once he gets to the States its all over, the album is gonna drop and he will be the biggest rock star once again. Obviously this band is good enough for Izzy to give his stamp of approval, and as far as the setlists, the album aint out, so they arent gonna play unreleased songs in todays world of bootlegging and internet. Be realistic. So anyways, fuck you Swingtrader.

Some of you fans are so fucking ridiculous. When things are all good and going smoothly your all sucking his dick but once a couple things bad happen, you start bashing Axl and say that its never gonna be successfull and all this shit. I'm sick of it. Axl aint catering to fucking losers on a message board who have nothing to do but to check setlists, he's playing for the fans at the show. So stop the bitching because it's becoming more than dead horse.

I find it hard to think there will be any love lost.lol, seems you are a bit intense. AGain, THis part of the tour wasnt intended to be a full on CD fest, if ya think it was you were wrong for sure, but my question is again, how does it beocme axls fault when people are assholes who wnt to throw shit, and cause harm. I dont give a fuck about narsistic muthafucker how dont mind being hit with shit. And I know you didnt say that, but Im jsut laughing at how people get so twisted.

"I get more e-mails than you"

that would be  a LMAOOO

I haven't posted on this site for a few days now . ? I don't follow his everymove everyday you idiot, ?I'm not on tour with him . ?Don't get mad just because someone speaks the truth about that little bitch Axl. ? Oh well it doesn't matter I won't be posting anymore ?. ? ?I'll go check out VR next time they play in New York. ? Weiland may be a cunt ?but Slash and Duff still kickass and respect their fans. ?

finally!

I won't lose any sleep......don't let the door hit ya!

 :rofl:

BTW  My sentiments  have nothing to do  with the coin incident tonight .   It's just that this band is just boring   and since I got to see the real GNR play   I have not been impressed with this band.   Axl sounds pretty good , but it's just not enough to keep me interested .    I'll wait for the VR album .  BYE

Let's not make a mountain out of a mole hill people! ?Look at all the songs that were performed today. ?This is what 95% of the average show or close to it. ?Looks like they got an awesome performance out of Axl as well as seeing Izzy perform on 4 songs in a row. ?Izzy F'N Stradlin!!! ?No, I think the fans got there moneys worth. ?People still complain Axl goes on late. ?When I go to a GNR show, I arrive an hour late if it is not general admission. ?You know he goes on late. ?Deal with it!!!!! ?

01 Welcome to the Jungle
02 It's So Easy
03 Mr Bownstone
04 Live and Let Die
05 Robin Solo
06 Sweet Child O' Mine
07 Knockin' On Heavens Door
08 Jam/ Dizzy Solo
09 The Blues
10 Jam
11 You Could Be Mine
12 Robin & Richard solo (Beautiful)
13 Out Ta Get Me
14 Jam - Axl joins in on Piano
15 November Rain
16 Bumblefoot Solo
17 My Michelle (W/ Bach)
18 You Gotta Move (W/ Izzy sharing vocals at the end)
19 Think About You (W/ Izzy)
20 Patience (W/ Izzy)

Axl sprayed Ron with some water which made Ron fall over

21 Nightrain (W/ Izzy)

I thought you were leaving?  That didn't last long did it.  See you in another post on about the same thing.  Either way.....SEE YA!!!  : ok:

We'll see what happens, the next show is the 21st, so if they play a great show on Friday, then tonights show would be put in the past.

Well we can all rationalize this latest example of misconduct on Axl's part, but the fact is that Axl is once again going to get ridiculed by the press and has blantly made his band look very bad. ?Plain and simply guys. ?

anyone taking any bets on how long swingtrader can abstain???

axl might take a dump or something....he'll have to post about that!

THANK YOU!!! Someone who fucking gets it!! Good job dude!!  : ok:

so true. ?:yes:

....swingtrader.....we're gonna miss you :crying:









good luck lol

hey holmes VR sucks quit living in the past.

Weiland isn't worth a damn and never will be.

so sick of hearing about VR they honestly suck... just cause some old GNR fags are in it doesn't make it great. Quit sucking Slash and Duffs dick already.

the band Axl has together now got way more talent than the old one.


Axl is gonna be Axl get over it. He is unpredictable!

In my 4th grade year,
A girl in my glass got hit
By a coin I threw.

'Twas in the lunchroom
And I just tossed a penny
Right across the room.

No direction meant,
Didn't even throw it hard...
She got hurt and cried.

I got in trouble.
I'll never forget the welt
It left on her head.

Of course, she was fine,
By the time the week ended...
But I cried that night.

I just kept thinking,
"What if it had been her eye?"
Stupid accident.

And avoidable.
A coin doesn't sound like much
But it's dangerous.

Splash

/Mike

Old fags? More talent? Wow.. I love the where the board has gone.

Well said McGann.

was that girl named scott weiland? just kidding..
my goodness. its a tragedy.

One song less than the night before and it is a big deal.  I would be pissed if somebody was throwing crap at me too.  Some people on this board have a breakdown if he doesn't play 5 new songs, and people get pissed that he gets angry when people throw shit at him.

It's been a while McGann! ;)   Good to see you and your haiku again.

And everything ALWAYS, and I mean ALWAYS turns to VR vs GN'R. 

I don't exactly count solos as songs, so it's only 15 songs really. But that's all VR were playing for their entire tour, so this ain't too bad. I think everyone got spoilt back in the day when GN'R always played +2hr shows.

OK the main question is that did Ron use his foot guitar during Don't Cry?

Also Happy to hear that Ron is happy but sad to hear he and Fortus had several arguments in Sheffield.
I can't even begin to imagine what the hell these 2 would have an argument about.

Ron is the nicest most humble guy and obviosuly the argument he had with Fortus had a very bad effect on him last night. He was really sad and depressed and didnt even play all the songs. Fortus seemed fine so I can only imagine he hurt Ron in someway.

I know Fortus was a "rockstar" before GNR and some of that rockstar attitude could've led to him hurting Ron.

I'm first and foremost a Ron Thal fan and then a fan of this current GNR. If Ron left tomorrow I wouldnt care about this GNR anymore but as long as he's in GNR I will follow them obesessively and desperately want them to succeed mainly for Ron's sake.

Seeing Ron sad in the band makes me sad so while he's in GNR I hope above all things that he is happy.

now all the emails fortus and ron get are going to be about the argument they had, id be more concerned with axls state of mind after walking off the stage

Take a walk pal. You come off like an arrogant six year old. The band drops the ENCORE because Axl got hit with a bottle, and you predict the tour will implode? You know how many times encores have been dropped by bands?

Then you claim "only the Axl fans care" yet even you admit the tour is selling well. So everyone at the show is an Axl fan? Frankly I think the thing that has people hyped most is IZZY showing up at some shows. I guess Izzy wasn't part of your real GNR though.

Leave the board if you wish, with your attitude in this thread you ain't gonna be missed. Enjoy the dancable VR album.

People need to stop speculating and spreading hearsay about a supposed riff between Richard and Ron. No one on this board is on tour with the band, no one on this board is friends with anyone in the band or is in anyway associated with them (except for mysteron). 

If they can't get Bucket to come back I would prefer they fire Bumble and put Richard on lead. I bet you it pisses Richard off that he wasn't promoted to lead, and has to watch some dork with a foot guitar play the solos.

The new songs need three guitar players. If they used three guitarists for the album, why not for the tour as well?

I agree, for that matter AFD had 3 guitars and therefore, why not use 3 on tour?

Richard isn't as good a player as Bucket but he's got a lot of charisma. Bumble isn't as good as Bucket and has zero charisma. He has to go. Axl needs somebody who can kill on guitar, and who has tons of charisma, and Bumble is not the man for the job. Just because Bumble will answer your e-mails doesn't make him the right guitar player for this band.

That is not correct. At least in Finland they were all over the stage, except Tommy who doesn't move much.

Well said.
I've been saying from day one that Bumblefoot wasn't the right guy to replace Buckethead.

If Slash doesn't want to come back, it would be cool to have Buckethead back. BH changed newgnr into something original, he is greatly missed. Newgnr without him is banal. :-\

Slash will NEVER play solos like BHEAD, FACE IT, 2 diferents stiles of guitarrists for fuck?s sake!
people try to compare always!! is like saying that Jerry Cantrell is "worst" than Dimebag (RIP)... godamn, they can play fast and shit, but KEEP IN MIND THAT THEM BONES FROM ALICE IN CHAINS HAS A FUCKING GUITAR MELODY AND 5 MINUTES ALONE FROM PANTERA?S TOO !!!! and they?re both diferent stiles of guitarrists!

Anyway, I'm pissed off 'cause these setlists.. I would be satisfied if the new songs would be played, but no. I hope we'll get the reason for not playing them soon.

Main thing is, many bands have done the same thing when shit is thrown at the stage and the tour continues.

This thread sucks.

It's a shame for all the fans who went last night, behaved themselves and now feel disappointed because of one idiot.  Throwing stuff is wrong, it upsets Axl more than anything else, it upsets the rest of the band too (remember Tommy at Donnington).  At least they came back and finished the song and said that's it instead of everyone waiting around and wondering what was going on.  It's very disappointing that there seems to be some problems with members in the band.  Before the tour some bandmembers were not happy with the inclusion of another guitarist (ie BF), up to now that doesnt seem to have got in the way of a great tour.  I'm wondering if they are feeling the strain of doing British shows.  You always read how bands say the British fans are the hardest to please and shows hear are tough but rewarding.  After Donnington which must have been tough, they all had a hell of a lot to prove before a massive audience who were not by any means all fans of the band.  There was a lot of hostility and booing due to the solo's and our new friend the TD's.  Don't forget the 2002 tour only lasted 15 shows this one's been a lot tougher.  I hope they get over this 'glitch' soon, Glasgow won't be forgiving!  I'm taking my son to Birmingham, he's only 9yrs old show is due to start at 8.15 (I'm hoping for a 9.30 no later start), at least he's got no school the next day.  He's looking forward to it so much I'd hate him to be disappointed.  I think the only thing the real fans can do is sort out those who are not behaving if they are kicking off around you.  I know that happened with a few guys who were shouting for Slash at Donington ( I guarantee they weren't saying anything for a week or two!)  Here's hoping for a great next show!!!

What? Who was unhappy about BF?

Just some stupid bullshit. Some people need to quit their bitchin' n shut the fuck up.

No one knows SHIT about this band. In fact, you guys make shit up! Whats there to prove Richard and Bumble are pissed at each other?! Whats there to prove that "Richard is pissed he didn't get the lead spot"!? What's there to prove people are pissed about Bumble!?

Nothing. Thats what.

You guys are like a broken record. Quit acting like you know the band and shut the hell up.

Hey, at least all this tour bitching has given Chris Pittman a break.

Aw bless!  I was gonna rant about you being so disrespectful but then I saw you're only 16 so I'll just say "Take a pill Jack!!"  Chill out honey!  Things aint so intense you know.  Of course we don't know for sure whats going on between band members after all we're not all there making the coffee now are we?!!  But we do have eyes and ears and can draw some fairly well thought out conclusions from the evidence (depending on the reliability of course) of those senses.  I've been a fan since 1985 and I'm still a huge fan so, without dissin' you at all, I feel I'm entitled to express my opinion without a kid telling me to fuck off and to shut the fuck up okay. 

That's what i've been saying since the first day.

big deal he left one song early... At least he got a coin out of the deal

just got home and wasted out my head,an its 08:14am here.what thew fuck happened,i get the "no paradise city" bit but whats goin on with the tour in the uk

you UK people love to give axl a hard time, donwload, this show

hay,ive never given Axl or GNR a hard time and if thats so then why is GNR doin a UK tour before a US tour.i think youll find the UK has been behind GNR

 :hihi: Yeah im a young'in, not ashamed.

But honestly! Every show people are bitching.. you know? How many times can people make something up?

How many people who are talking about "Ron and Richard's fight" were actually at the show?

Has there ever been an interview or incident where Richard seemed angry/bitter about not being the lead?

Seriously, this tour is going almost entirely hitch free and people still make up drama.

What happens is this...


5 pages later... no one even knows whats going on and everyone takes the rumor as fact.

Heh. Im sorry, but thats how it seems to play out for me.

You guys can keep speculating though. Go for it. Im out, wont bother ya anymore.

    -jack

What the fuck is up with the British crowd?

They always seem like fat, spoiled brats bitchin on everything. If you're not the new hype then everyone thinks you're shit. One day they all buy your album so next day they can burn it all because everyone and the mags say they suck. No wonder most of the British bands don't do shit outside the UK cause most of them are crap (like latest hype Arctic Monkeys).

In Holland GnR played on a real hot day where all the fans waited outside in the sun in 35 C and never did I hear one BOO. All I heard was "Guns N Roses" as in Get In The RIng . And it was great show where you could see the band enjoy themselves and play the fuck out of every song. Positive reviews all over. Why? Because we came to have a good time instead of pay money to see a band fail and then bitch about how they suck and all. Or throw coins......you Brits need to grow the fuck up and not go see a band of whom you don't like the bandmembers. If give some love you will get a good show if you treat them like shit you get a shit show. It's that fucking simple.

Are there gonna be some actual reviews of the show?

How stupid can ya get?  Why does some 'so called fan' go there with a view to ruin the show?!  I wasnt there but if a certain idiot at these shows carries on like this then the band will no longer trust us (UK fans) and go home early!  It also shows in the setlist as they havent been playing new songs!  They must think we don't like hearing them

It was an awesome show, I loved seeing Bach and Izzy onstage, and once again the band has great chemistry.

I was disappointed and let down by Axls childish behaviour. Yes, throwing things can be dangerous, but because of one person and one thing that was thrown everyone had to suffer. He always spits the dummy like that, he needs to learn to fucking suck it up. He literally stormed off the stage shouting 'no, thats the end, go home!' and throwing his mic on the stage like a baby. It left me with a sour taste after the show, and they only played ONE new song!?!

I really hope I don't have to sit through all the usual stuff again in Nottingham. I thought the UK leg of the tour woutl bring a setlist change, or at least more new songs. This is NEW GnR, they need to start acting like it, not like some cover band.

i think in some respects axl need to grow up.....people won't tolerate bands going on 2 hours late, like in hammersmith (there were heaving booing going on after like an hour and a half). i think booing after waiting that long is justified, axl has no reason to be late, if the rest of the band can make it on time, why can't he?

on the other hand, people who go just to throw shit, shout for slash and boo new band members is just sad......i don't know of any other band who is treated this way by "fans" i dont know why the go, i dont have ?50 to go see a band i don't like and just want to abuse?

but maybe years of not giving a fuck about the fans has begun to backfire massively on axl, and the rest of the band suffer as a result, its a shame so many people want ot see them fail, or see them blow up.

i for one really hope that it doesn't happen, just put the finger up to the haters GnR!!!!

well, i dont know about the UK fans , but you re right about the "feeling" that the band gets from the crowd.... in Greece, we waited for 60-80 minutes , some people started to get pissed off, some of them were chanting for "slash" - very few though ?;D - but as the first riff of "welcome to the jungle" hit us, everybody , and i mean EVERYBODY - even the people who were there just out of curiosiity - had a blast, had a great mood, and it was clear that the band really enjoyed it nad gave us a very cool perfomance...

We didn t wait for 60-80 minutes... There was no announcement about the time that GNR would hit the stage... and they were on stage at 22.00. I don t think that there were people thinking that GNR would be on stage earlier than 22.00 as Star Star were playing till 21.15

You get idiots at every concert, no matter whether it's a Britney Spears show or a Marilyn Manson show. You just have to learn to deal with it. The security is there to stop people acting like assholes - as Axl pointed out. I just think he over reacted and he didn't give the fans any time to behave - like he expected it to happen again, so just stormed off.

Hell, Axl made me stand through Bullett for my Valentine and some large loud drunk woman trying to push in front of me for hours. But instead of crying and sulking and going home I sucked it up. He's a grown man, he needs to learn to deal with it.

well, i dont know about the UK fans , but you re right about the "feeling" that the band gets from the crowd.... in Greece, we waited for 60-80 minutes , some people started to get pissed off, some of them were chanting for "slash" - very few though ?;D - but as the first riff of "welcome to the jungle" hit us, everybody , and i mean EVERYBODY - even the people who were there just out of curiosiity - had a blast, had a great mood, and it was clear that the band really enjoyed it nad gave us a very cool perfomance...

In Newcastle GnR the doors opened at 18:15, they were orginally adverised (before a last minute change, only advertised on website) as going on stage at 20:30. They didn't go in stage until 22:10. Thats FOUR hours people had to stand. It was the hottest day in the UK since 1911 and it was fucking hot inside the arena.

The show was fantastic, Axl and the band were joking amongst themselves and the crowd.

There was only one negative booing from the crowd just before the intro due to being late on stage. Then the crowd got right behind them. Singly loudly during the sing-a-long bit during Knocking on Heavens Door was great to hear. The crowd cheered all the solos too.

As for the coin incident. Like I said, I was at the front of the seating section right next to the security line. It wasn't like "Owww, what the fuck hit me". I didn't see anything actually hit him. He casually turned round, walked to the front of the stage and picked something up.

Awesome gig, shit unnecessary ending.

Anything good to report from this gig?

No madagascar, no IRS, no chinese democracy, no paradise city, no TWAT -well there was one twat I suppose, but no There Was A Time.

Bummer.

I want to here madagascar live on Friday but it is not looking like I'm going to get my wish.

I really dont understand why they have dropped the new songs, its very disapointing.

Good shit, fingers crossed for Glasgow.

Please explain how I sound like George W. Bush?
And dont call me an idiot pal, you certainly havent earned that right - get a clue

when you start talking about knives, violence etc.. youre taking it a step too far. The point I was making ?is I dont think the guy was being literal in encouraging people to throw shit - just expressing justified frustration at yet another pathetic Axl outburst.

I was referring to the bad reviews in that thread, not people throwing things??

but to answer you (and I in no way condone violence), the crowd get frustrated when the band is 1.5 hrs late perhaps? just a stab ?::)

Godwin's law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law) in action, i'm sure it also applies to George W. ...
Aren't some of you people actually worried about your Karma?

okey so you guys are going off topic now ;).. nut i don't care that much :hihi:.... but i have a question.. sis axl walk off stage and not coming back for PC? ???

Yes PC was not played, the concert ended after Nightrain.

Fair play,

But I ant having someone having a go at the great british public. 99.9% of us brits are fine people, just because there is one bad apple in the bunch, doesnt make us all bad!!

There is more to life than GNR, so what they had a fall-out, everyboby falls out from time to time, people we should be happy that they are touring!!

some you people expect 2 much!!!!!

 :-\

what time did this show end?

Quick review of the gig last night for the benefit of those interested:

Band arrived onstage late at approx 15-20mins past ten.  There was some booing and a fair few people pissed at the delay.  This was mostly due to the fact the area was like hotter than a Turkish prison, there was steam in the air and the surfaces were soaking with sweat.  It really was boiling hot.  But, this is Axl, people who don't expect him to run late are kidding themselves.  There was the odd voice shouting for Slash, but again, the guy hasn't been in the band for a decade, so I'm not sure what people expected.

The sound was good, but not brilliant.  Axl's voice was mixed a little low, although his vocals were very strong all night, and he still screams with the best of them.  Guitars were a little overcooked at times, and Robin's solo suffered the worst from it.

It was a familiar set list, with little interaction from Axl really.  The band played the songs fast and hard.  There were the odd few pyro's but perhaps not as many as I had expected.

The solo's were overall cool, with ther highlights definately being Dizzy's spell on the piano and the rendention of 'Don't Cry'.  I don't really think these spoilt the rythm of the set, and they seem to be there to let Axl have a breather and change his costume.  He's looking a little tubby in the flesh nowadays, so the cycling shorts are well and truly gone and he just swapped into baggy t-shirts and waistcoats all night long.

There was only 'The Blues' as a new song.  It got a polite reception, but easily the worst reception of the night.  It seemed like a lot of people didnt know it, and to be honest it wasn't the best rendition of it I've heard, even if Axl did sing it from on top of the grand piano.  I think the tour is more likely to try and appeal to as wide a fanbase as possible with the hits in preparation for the new album.  I'm not sure if the band themselves really know what their fanbase is anymore, whether it's people wanting new material or just older fans wanting to hear purely the classics, so this tour is definately playing it safe.  Hopefully when the new album comes out they will tour to support it and play a lot more new material.

As for the final incident, Axl was pretty pissed.  After the coin toss the band played on and he actually turned round and shouted at them to stop, then stormed off, leaving a bemused crowd.  He probably only came back to prevent a riot, and it seems like the band had agreed that 'Nightrain' would be the closer, because they played the hell out of it.  Axl left the stage stating the show was over, but everyone hung around waiting for 'PC', but then when the house lights went up we all knew the game was up.  Still, it's only one song missing, and he wasnt ranting and raving at the crowd (apart from calling the throwee a 'little c*nt' of course).  Even if he played through gritted teeth at least he came out and gave the crowd some closure, even if the encore was gone.

There were a few people confused and dissapointed at the abrupt ending, but there wasn't an overwhelming bad atmosphere at the gig, and it wasnt an 'Axl vs them' mentality at all.  In fact it was pretty much a normal gig bar about 30 seconds of madness.

It was still a great show, and they still played for two hours or so, which is good going.  Compared to the last time I saw them in '02, I don't think this show was quite up there (less pyros, new songs, no Buckethead or Encore), but on the plus side there was a cracking duet with Bach which was great fun, and it was amazing to see Izzy back, even if he did look a little lost out there.  Band were tight, and I certainly left the arena happy.

Show finished roughly 12:20ish I think.

I find it quite amazing that people put the blame on Axl for this. I think it should be the crowd's responsibility to track down the fucker who threw the coin and cripple him. Instead, they call Axl's name after the show. Unbelievable.

It would be nice if GNR cameras picked up the incident so that they could show it on the big screens. That way people could easily identify him.

i agree, if someone throws a scarf, flag, cd, etc etc, nostalgia stuff fine, the minute folks start to throw something that can hurt someone, thats out of order. axl was within his right.

i dont think he woulda walked off if it was the start of the show.

on the subject of brit audiences out of 4 brit gigs, hammersmith, donnington and now newcastle haven't exactly been kind to gnr so there is a little bit of truth in what some folks are saying about the brit audiences not being kind, at least on this tour

God I don?t get this at all! How come there are asshole like those drunkers that go to the gigs, PAY for the tickets to spoil other?s entertainment??? Damn, this really pisses me off. When I went to RiR I had these 4 or 5 completely smashed guys by my left who spend ALL gig yelling, trowing beer at us (yes, I was trying to FOCUS on the gig as it was so important for me but I had these guys trowing beer at me and my brother), laying on the floor... and (this is true) not even for ONCE they looked to the stage!!! :-X Now, I really don?t get this!! How come guys like these, and the ones from Newscastle as well go to a gig, pay for it just to spoil everything and get drunk... God it?s so stupid.....

I don't know about the other shows, but I was at Hammersmith. The booing has been completely overplayed; there wasn't that much, just for about 10 mins before they came on, and really it was in jest. Noone was seriously booing the band at least where I was, it was more kind of an ironic chant for them to get on stage- a way of showing enthusiasm. The crowd couldn't have been more into the show, and the band loved it too- we weren't an unkind audience at all! In Donnington most of the reviews by the crowd on general sites were very positive, and don't mention any trouble really- we attract the whingy whiny sorts here who search out fan sites after gigs to vent their teenage angst. Take no notice of them.

Out of the 4 gigs you mentioned, 2 had nothing to do with the crowd (Sheffield and Hammersmith).

wait wait... where is my topic about the 3 guitar players thing? ???
deseapeared?

I don't get it. Why were you waiting for 60-80 minutes?

What time did you expect GN'R to be on stage? Was there a time schedule I'm not aware of?

Doors were supposed to open at 5.30, they opened at 6.10, GN'R were on stage at 10 sharp, and there was an opening act as well.

I mean, even the newspapers say that GN'R were one hour late, even though the rest of the reviews are amazing. But I never understood where did they see the fuckin delay...

The only things we were aware of is that the doors would open at 5.30 and that there would be 1 or 2 Greek support acts.

The doors opened like 30-40 minutes later and there was one suport act. No delays, no nothing.

As simple as that for Greece.

so the only new song was The Blues, oh. And they did not play Paradise City, that's really bad. I'm glad that i didn't bother going to the gig, not that i had plans too  :hihi: if i make one GnR UK gig this year, it'll be Wembly  :beer:

Yes, some of this whining needs to stop! You might get the impression this board is for people who fucking hate the band when you look at this section.  ::)

It's ridiculous. People act like nothing the band does is right. Whining about guitar players, Axl (as usual), setlists, show length, where they play, who's opening for the band, who's making guest appearances and how often, what they're wearing, what Axl didn't say in between songs etc etc.




/jarmo

Wow, they got like 95% of a Guns concert and thats not worth bothering to go to?!?!

Regarding the lack of new songs:

Maybe, just maybe, Axl will pull some of the new stuff out when there is one less support band (i.e. over the weekend) and GNR techically have more time to go on. I'm presuming that BFMV can go on half an hour earlier thus giving GNR an extra half hour. And maybe Axl is been resourceful with his voice during these early UK shows and he knows full well that the majority of the crowd just want to hear the hits anyway so why not leave some of the new stuff out for a show where you can properly showcase it?

I would not read too much into the setlists for this tour until after the weekend, when Bach returns to the shows. I mean for example, it's likely they'll drop My Michelle if Seb isn't there, just wonder what they might consider replacing it with.

I just wish some people on this board would use rational thinking for a change and not jump on every little tidbit of info out there with the usual:

"OMG, (insert random member here) is leaving."

"One new song! WTF??!!! Chin Dem defo not coming out ever!"

"Axl gets hit??!!! This is the end of GN'R as we know it!"

BTW I have some photos from sheff that I may upload later.

OK then maybe I miss understod , cheers :)

yeah @ 44 or whatever he's gonna "grow up"..face it folks we wanted Axl back...he's back, shut the fuck up and don't piss him off....he ain't fucking around....this is the face of GnR we got...love it or leave it :rant: this attitude is actually way more laid back then he used to be...in the 90's he woulda just left...at least you got Nighttrain.

Think of the encore as you would a tip at restaurant...if your waitress is shitty she gets no tip....if the crowd is shitty they get no encore, simple...as a whole the UK crowd sucks...it happened in donnington and it happened last night...


well said Jarmo : ok: like fuck the band is back...enjoy it already...some people seem to dig to find something to bitch about....if anybody should grow up it's the ones who constantly poke and whine at little trivial bullshit

wheres the next show? manchester?
wherever, im hoping for another "st. louis sucks" kinda thing. maybe tearing up a newcastle united top or something.

to be honest, while i do understand the negative reaction and anxiety axls actions (his timekeeping skills, his 'tantrums') i've come to the conclusion that those people are pretty much wrong. since 1993 rock n roll has retreated to "a job" rather than an experience. there have been so many rules inforced in rock n roll that it has stifled the heart and soul and fun out of the rebellion and freedom that it is meant to offer and represent. there are but a few mainstream (or even underground) acts who try and adhere to the principles of the rock n roll ethos (and even those, dylan and jack white spring to mind, keep well within the structure boundaries such as clearchannels timescales), and whats worse is that the public have accepted this - not only as the norm, but as the expected, so much so that they get pissed off if things are completely exact.
with axls return (and christ almight, thank fuck it is a true return as his glorious behaviour last night suggests) we finally have someone who is not afraid to embody the rock n roll and its freedom. axl will do what the fuck axl wants. and though it isnt as plain and simple as that, he is the closest thing we have to that spirit and to see it bubbling under and erupt is something that should be cause for celebration.
the enemy here is the neanderthal, the dangerous fucking asshole, who threw a fucking coin. not axl. applaud his timekeeping skills, applaud his indignation. applaud his loose and ramshackle and even deviant behaviour. for its rock n roll and it has been missing for far, far too long.

Here's my review from down the front last night. Us Brits aren't used to these temperatures like....




The hottest day since records began in England brought Guns N? Roses to the Newcastle Arena and an eventful night with trademark highs and lows.

Coming to the stage two hours later than billed and with a restless and baking hot throng of a crowd baying for them, the band tore through Jungle, Easy and Brownstone flawlessly. Everyone looks happy again, particularly Bumblefoot who was tearing all over the place and in jovial mood with Axl.

A pyro-filled Live and Let Die, KOHD and Sweet Child were lapped up and Axl was quick to observe the increase in the arena?s temperature when he mentioned, ?We?re cooking now!?.

Then we got the solo spots. The bone of consternation for most of us on this board and let?s be honest, in a two hour show we could do without a Robin, Ron, Dizzy and then Robin and Richard solo spot. Does Axl need to rest his voice? Does he want the rest of the show to be so memorable he lets everyone in the band tart about like Joe Satriani and Elton John for five minutes by themselves? Either way, tonight it?s welcome so the crowd can cool down for a few minutes.

The Blues is pitched note perfect to a sea of blank faces, I?m the only person I can hear singing along. As in Sheffield, this is also the only new song we get tonight, caused by the band?s late arrival.

Seb Bach comes out for My Michelle and builds on the energy he started with his own band?s support slot and then Izzy comes on for the last few songs Think About You, Patience, Nightrain and a run through a Stones song which also features some guy from the crowd on backing vocals! Izzy was looking good and sporting the flat black cap he used to wear back in the day.

Then the fun started. I was up against the barrier right in front of Axl when something, the size of a coin, was thrown at him. The band tore into Nightrain, but Axl was distracted by this. He carried on singing whilst looking down at the object then picked it up and started mumbling to himself. He ordered Frank to stop playing and the band walked off. From off stage Axl asked the crowd to chop anyone seen throwing objects to security and the band came on to play Nightrain in its entirety.

Then they were gone as Axl spat out the words ?That?s the end of the show?. Presumably we missed Paradise City due to this idiot, but with the band being late for the second consecutive night it appears the only staples of the setlist that went missing were new tunes I.R.S, Madagascar, Better and Chinese Democracy.

A fun night up in tha Toon. Far too hot, but hugely entertaining, if not slightly subdued. Has anyone else noticed the slower pace the band is playing at on this tour? Patience and KOHD were very sluggish and felt like they were coming to a stop on occasion.

Also a quick point about the stand in drummer Frank, is this the same guy who drummed for Paul McCartney on his world tour?

I hope they stick the new songs back in... especially "Better". Fingers crossed the rest of the UK tour goes well. I'll be there on the last day, Wembley 30th.

thank you i agree... people who didnt like bucket seem to love bumble and i dont know why.  i guess the email thing and being more like a regular guy appeals to them and the playing and stage show has nothing to do with it at all.  He seems cool and can play better than me.... but does that make it right for gnr?

I agree too much whining. ?Especially if you were not at the show, you shouldn't care if they played new songs or not. ?Don't blame Axl for walking off the stage blame the idiot who had to act like a slob and a jerk by drinking too much, and throwing a coin like a punk. ?

That is the biggest load of shit I've read here.

What happened last night???? 12,000+ idolised Axl, cheered the solos and had a great time! ONE person "allegedly" threw something at him! I had a great clear side view of the stage and only saw him pick something up off the floor. Until I see a bootleg or footage of it then this gets the? ::) treatment!

One ridiculous baseless theory: maybe the UK tour is a farwell for the AFD setlist. :hihi:

Would be a nice change to drop every AFD-song from the setlist :hihi:

lee

im not trying to slag the band off or slate axl for what happened if you read my posts you will se im a firm supporter of this band. i just think that axl is childish at times, its fairly unprofessional thats he's late all the time. he is late btw, if doors are at six and he aint on till after, thats late :hihi:.

other bands i.e U2 and the stones, wouldn't do this. he is late btw, if doors are at six and he aint on till after, thats late :hihi:

it also seems to us on the outside like he is primaddonna----i.e the band make it on time, but he makes it whenever he feels like it. ??? so yes he is 44 and needs to grow up.


i was also at the hammersmith gig, and there were lots of boos, a hell of a lot, everytime the house music went down there was torrents of abuse going toward the stage and lots of chants for slash, saying that, when wttj started all was forgiven and forgotten ;D

bottom line for me is

its a great band, the new songs are great.
but axl needs to get it together, he's is on his last legs, so many chances, so many fuck ups.

there are many people who come here just to slate the new gnr, im not one of them, although i believe that saying axl should quit this late shit is whining, that doesn't mean it isn't true

"My heart is full of love for yooooou,
I wanna get right next to yooooou -

HE'S A COIN CHUCKER, A REAL BUTTFUCKER..."

im sorry to be so crass, but i gotta say, fuck off. axls attitude is a joyful thing. he is once again the only leading light we have for a true rock n roll spirit. the professionalism of the stones and u2 and basically every other band and artist around is grotesque. theyre showing up and doing their jobs. there is no spark or energy or truth in what they do. axl offers us something we only get in fits and starts (again, the only artists ive seen in the past year that do offer something more than just professionalism are jack white and dylan, and even they adhere to the strict rulebook of concert promoters and law enforcers no matter how entertaining and intriguing their live shows are) from other bands.
the fact that th public have accepted this slick professionalism as something honourable is alarming. rock n roll should be freedom, not set on rails, on time contraints and certainly not controlled by "the man". axl, in his own weird way, is still rebelling against that and that is something to behold and rejoice in. fuck playing from 8-10pm, thats a fucking load of shit. rock n roll plays when and what it wants to play and does what it wants to do. fuck the rules. and fuck those who adhere to them.

yeah, i think itd be pretty cool to play the hell out of AFD for the next 7 shows.. then a little quiet time.. boom release date, US tour.. and about half of AFD probally gone from the setlist. Then, everything would be forgiven and forgot.

They went to a concert, they should have got a 100% concert. A show is a show, just that. Missing the end song is not correct, they should have dropped a guitar solo or something. As for the band appearing on stage late, what's their problem?  :peace:

Haha, am I the only one that thought that was even a little bit funny?

I'm saying that he's 44 and he's been like this and way worse since the beginning...he's not gonna change...it's the way he is...

and Axl Rose isn't Bono or Mick Jagger...Gnr ain't U2 or the Stones....it's the way it is deal with it...also 1/2 hr or 45 minutes is nothing to 3 hrs or not showing at all...be glad he played at all look at the people in vancouver or Philly or any of the other shows that were cancelled in 2001 or 2002...at least you got to see Axl and NuGnR...some others ain't so lucky to bitch about only seeing 15 songs instead of 16. if it's too hot stay home or bring some fucking water :P

also my response to Jarmo's post were in general not necessarily directed towards you....your posts in this thread seem pretty unbiased, which is a change around here, but, other than this thread, i don't really recall seeing you around but in here you have some good thoughts...keep it up : ok:

Go over to Sladdi's site where you can hear Axl talking to the crowd after the coin throwing incident via MP3.  He was being so diplomatic and calm about things.  I think Axl is doing a great job this tour, and I hope he can continue to do so.


http://www.newgnr.com/newgnr.html

thanks phillyriot for finding that and thanks newguns for posting that

i have no doubts that this stems from the bottles being thrown @ donnington :peace:

a few random notes from last night:

When Baz came onstage for my michelle he commented "man, you've gotta play IRS tonight", presumably we'd have gotten it for the encore along with PC had it not been for whatever the happened during nightrain.

Axl was in an amazing mood all night up until the throwing incident, he commented that the band was having "too much fun", and nightrain began with two lots of opening lines, the "loading like a freight train, flying like an aeroplane, feeling like a space brain" were sung twice, which was very cool.

With regard to the temperature, Axl commented that it was "hot up in this bitch tonight", the security at the front of the barrier were spraying the crowd with little water gun things to try and cool them down, during Patience Axl acquired one and sprayed himself, the crowd, and any of the band members that were close to him - he went after richard and bumblefoot if i remember correctly.

As for The Blues, there was no-one else around me singing along, but Ron's Don't Cry solo got a fair sing-along from the crowd and November Rain was sung from start to finish by most of the people around me.

Would've been nice to get an encore, but other than that it was a great show, Izzy made my night, I've now seen all the original members of GN'R in one form or another...

Ok, here's my bit now ;)

Firstly, the reason why some people (not all!) were booing for the brief time they were was not really down to how mean and nasty the Brit crowds are...more to do with the arena and it's lack of information, I reckon.  We were told that doors were at 5.45 and Guns'd be on at 8.30.   Now, I, and pretty much anyone else here, know that that's not gonna happen.  However, we are the hardcore and most of the people there are casual fans whose GnR knowledge probably stops at where to buy the coolest tshirt on the high street.  These people won't have known to expect him to be late and the venue didn't go to any trouble to tell us they would be.  Sure, there was a last minute time change but by that time, most people were probably at the venue, waiting outside on the hottest day over here since 1911.  Plus, they didn't hit the stage till almost 2 hours after they were originally billed and we were packed like sardines in there.  Like someone else said, people were being passed over the front before the band even got on the stage.  I'm not blaming the band for this, more the venue, but that's probably where the booing came from.

However, during my wait, I got talking to the security on the right hand side of the stage as I was front row.  Got a few little bits of gossip from them, though god only knows if it's true.  Subjects of interest:

1.  Apparently, there was a physical fight between 2 guitarists after the Sheffield gig though the security guy did not know who was who
2.  Apparently, Axl was going to open with 14 Years and move straight into Better - the guy had seen it on the soundguy's set list.  That, as we all know, was bullshit, but I don't think the guy was lying, which is strange...
3.  Security guard snuck backstage for a look at Axl's dressing room before he arrived.  Covered in roses, with lots and lots of towels and...a bowl full of Vimto lollipops.  Excellent taste, Axl, haha.

As soon as the opening notes to WTTJ kicked in, every fucker forgot how long they'd been stood waiting and were just going crazy for the band.  The reception they got was amazing and the gig was going really fucking well.  Axl was in high spirits, not interacting much, but always smiling and seemed to be enjoying himself. 

The setlist was fairly predictable with the sad omission of the new stuff.  As someone else mentioned, Seb Bach demanded Axl play IRS but Axl just turned and said 'No, we're having too much fun here'.  The Blues sounded good but got a lukewarm reception, couldn't see anyone from where I was standing singing along at all. 

As for Bumblefoot's mood...well, you could certainly tell he was playing for the crowd, but he looked exhausted - whether it was the heat or whether it was his mood, who knows.  I still loved him though, I like the genuine warmth he seems to have when playing.  He didn't look as happy as when I saw him at Download, but that's just me second guessing, so can't really comment.

Finck was on good form, looking like a Dickensian tramp again.  In fact, everything seemed to be coming together and working better than I've seen it with the new line up.  Even my boyfriend, who is a GnR hater for the most, said that he thought they really were holding it together and playing their hearts out.

Couple of great comments from Axl - the downing of the Newcastle Brown scored him some brownie points and his rant at the security for eating all of Seb Bach's food was pretty fucking funny too.  It was really obvious he was enjoying himself. 

Then, the strop.  I didn't see anything hit the band *at all* and I was front row with a perfect view of the stage.  I did see a bottle hit Finck right near the beginning of the show, when he was doing his solo, but Finck didn't flinch and nothing happened.  I'm not denying that something was thrown but it certainly wasn't a case of the crowd being unruly and ungrateful...probably more like one little prick who had something to prove.  The rest of the crowd was overwhelmingly positive all night, despite the heat and the wait time.

I thought it was all over when they disappeared during Nighttrain, but looks as though Axl did the decent thing in giving us at least a bit of a finale.  I was gutted at no encore though...such a fucking shame for the fans who haven't had chance to see the whole show yet. 

I don't blame Axl for being pissed off and part of me doesn't blame him for going as I probably wouldn't stick around for long if I was getting things thrown at me.  At the same time though, I was pretty upset at the situation purely because of one fuckwit spoiling it for the rest of us.  I mean, yeah, Axl's been in music for ages and should really deal with these things a bit better, but at the same time, don't fucking throw things, fucker!  What's the point?  If I'd have seen the guy who spoiled it for us, I'd have knacked him.  Twat.  Axl seemed genuinely disappointed that it had all fallen apart - when he came back on he just said in a really downhearted fashion 'fuck, I thought we were having fun tonight'. 

We could see the access to the backstage from where we were and we could see people manically running around straight after they came off stage.  Seb Bach had been hanging around for ages and he just fucking ran backstage at one point.  God knows what was going on.

Bit pissed off at the end as well.  I think they were trying to hurry us out before anything kicked off riot wise but they ushered us out of a side entrance which meant those of us near where I was couldn't get our souvenir tickets back, so I don't even have that :( 

A few people near me pointed out who they thought it was. Guess what? He was a big lad. But clobbering him wasn't the answer. Sadly this thing seems to have been going on for ages in England and shows no sign of stopping.

So they took your whole ticket off you when you went in?

Weird, they aint getting mine.

thanks for writing all that decandece.. really good read.

seems like it was a fairly decent show besides no encore, and coming on late, and no new songs.
if it was me, id be pretty pissed but atleast you enjoyed yourself.

I know, it's a fucking nightmare. ?Gives us a bad reputation when in reality it's just a small minority of wankers. ?Grrr. ?I wouldn't have knacked anyone, I'm five foot tall in my docs, but y'know ;)

Ok people, here is the thing. PC and any songs played with it is an ENCORE, you DONT have to play them. Axl just cut out the ENCORE last night because some idiot threw something on stage. ITs that simple.

Yeah, they did. ?I wasn't best pleased. ?They took them off you and if you needed a piss or a drink, they handed you it back at the exit and you had to hand it in again to get back in. ?I think they just liked making work for themselves. ?They said we could have them back at the end, but they ushered us out the side and we didn't get ours :( ?

Aye, but it's still a shame.  I enjoyed the rest of the gig, was just disappointed that it ended on an obviously negative note when it shouldn't have, thanks to some idiots in the crowd who should know better.

What?

That is bizarre.

And here's me with a weak bladder and an insatiable thirst for booze. :no:

Aye, my mate needed a piss from 7pm onwards.  He didn't get to go till 1am!  Another stupid rule was - if you leave to go for a piss via the exit nearest to the front (where we were), to get back in, you had to go right round the arena and in through the back doors, right to the back of the crowd.  His bladder nearly exploded.  I told him to just piss his pants - at that heat, it'd have evaporated before it made anything soggy anyway.

-1 karma??????

the fact that you actual like jack white and call him "rock n roll" is disturbing. you may think that the bands mentioned were not rock n roll enough?

i've been to at leat 50-60 gigs in my time inc VR, metallica, audioslave, muse, U2, eagles, aerosmith, robert plant dadadadadadadadad.........................

fact is they turn up on time, people come happy and leave happy.

this is 2006, music is about $$$$$ or ?????'s. if a band treats its fans less than great, then less fans, less record sales, less success, more record co. pressure, disharmony in band, and general fuck-up-ability.

i don't want that for the nu gnr, and negative press can be avoided, thats all im saying

That is really harsh, hopefully the staff at Glasgow will be less highly strung.

Been at a gigs at the SECC before and to be honest never really noticed security, it was very chilled.

Same! I was singing my heart out and everyone else just stood there with crossed arms and gave me weird looks. It was a bit upsetting, same thing happened at Roskilde. And I get that they are old fans who probably don't know much about the new band, but shouldn't they like, find out or something? I dunno...it was just weird, for some reason I assumed everyone would know the (old) new songs.

That is why you release an album! So people can actually here the songs before the show. :rant: Only idiots like us want to scrounge around on the internet for shitty bootlegs and leaks of 4 year old demos.

First of all, let me say that I am with all the people who want more new material to be played at all these concerts. As a fan I would feel let down only hearing one new song.

That being said, I think Axl Rose has a plan.... I also think that 75% of the crowd is satisfied with a setlist that contains most of the greatest hits. Axl knows this and I think he also knows that this tour will be the last hurrah for a lot of Gnr songs such as Mr.Brownstone, It's So Easy, My Michelle, Think about you, live and let die, knocking on heavens door, out ta get me, and patience, when it comes to those songs being in the setlist EVERY night... in the future, i am sure those 8 slots will be used to play 6 new songs.... Axl didn't get to go overseas in 2002 and give all those fans one last live performance of the older material, so that has to be what he is doing now. If that's what he wants to do I am happy, we've have around 30 shows this year, leaks of new music, and a lot of band contact with members of this board, the train is definitely rolling again.

I don't see why Axl would choose to do a "greatest hits" heavy setlist in the States, but if he does choose to do that, it will still satisfy at least 50-65% of arena rock audiences, I see him touring with Kid Rock and Bach, those names combined with Guns N Roses will sell out arenas, I don't give a fuck what any of you say. Those arenas would be happy with whatever setlist Axl chooses to play. But, I really do see Chinese Democracy coming out sometime in November and I believe Axl will choose the upcoming American tour to promote the album.

All the shit about Richard and Ron fighting or getting into arguments.... who really gives a fuck. I got into arguments with my best friend all the time when we roomed together in college. Shit happens, Richard+Ron are both nice/stand up guys, IF there is a problem or IF there was an argument, I'm sure it's water under the bridge by now. :yes:

at last someone who makes sense  :o

Mr Intensity, or he could be "mired in denial and sooooo afraid." Everybody always speculates to the positive side-that side of me left in 2002. I'll believe there is a plan when one is actually executed-one involving the release of new music. :peace:

Amen :hihi:

people on these boards think that every gnr fan is a member...their not...of about 10 or 12 of my friends that are GnR fans...none of them are forum goers...MrI i would say less than more than 75% are satisfied...the last 2 shows before the UK tour started there was like 2 and 3 board members respectively attending...out of 10-15k fans...that is like .02% of the crowd :hihi:

how come GnR takes all the flack for not incorporating new songs? lots of older bands tour soley on old material...I saw poison in '02 they played 1 new song in an hour nad a half...and they were ready to come out with a new CD....saw the New Skid Row...like 2/3 of the set were Baz tunes...what GnR is doing right now is not unheard of at all :no: biggest thing is to build the fanbase back up and generate interest...which they are accopmplishing nicely...especially after the biting incident :hihi:

I think it's funny that the "Not every fan goes on message boards" is always used as a double-standard.  For example:

"Who cares if they don't play new songs - the people at the show probably don't know them anyway, and they love the greatest hits." 

OK, fine.

But then, you can't turn around and say "Oh come on, Axl's 1.5 hours late?  These people should know that!" 

I can't stand the fact that people pick and choose their arguments with such blinders on sometimes. 

tell me a show that Axl EVER started on time? If axl is notorious for anything it's arriving late :peace:

MSG 2002, but that is it  :P

Dave is right about encores. I think we have become accustom to having them, but they are supposed to occur only after truly exceptional performances.


Allegedly, disagreements between Robin and Bucket led to Bucket's departure. For the first time now, there is a chance that Ron will not be invited or will not accept an offer of extending his tour of duty in Guns. Will he be there for the US dates? It's an open question right now.

Neemo, comparing anything related to Gnr with Poison or Skid Row is a slap in the face to Gnr. You must have pretty low standards. How about comparing them to Radiohead. Just finished a tour playing 6-7 new songs a night in a setlist of 23-25 songs. Played more than 7 songs some nights-certainly not 1!

Ron was not sure if he was even going to do the US tour before the Euro tour right?

So there is audio from the show, but is there any VIDEO or PHOTOS from the show yet ?

I hate Radiohead :hihi: IMO they are the ones who shouldn't be compared with GnR...although they do have 3 or 4 guitarists don't they? :hihi: :peace:

Radiohead hasn't been out of public eye for as long as those 80's bands, and like it or not, they are from the same genre/timeframe ;)

what about motley cure's new setlists when they went out recently....or aerosmith's sets...

more bands that suck.......I do like 70's Aerosmith...a lot. Not a hair metal fan at all! ;D

Ron has always been very careful when talking about his future in GnR. I don't remember any comments indicating that he was definately going with the band across the US, but in all honesty, I fully expect that Ron will be there. 

haha :rofl:

anyway that wasn't the point of the post...I was basically saying that many other bands besides GnR live off their back catalogue.

People go to the shows for nostalgia...they wanna hear the feel-good tunes from their younger days

Sometimes I wish I could have gotten into Radiohead's music.. :hihi:

They've been recording new material for the new album going on years now, but even when not in the studio, they can consistently be found on the road showcasing that very material for their fans, without a new album to support it.

I think it's great Axl views the potential of his unheard material in such a high regard, that he's refused to indulge us hardcore fans with anything unheard, but at the same time, of those 32 songs being recorded, you'd think they might have a dud that they could play just to say they played it...one that wont even be an album... :peace:

Just a thought.

Neemo, I don't go to shows for nostalgia...very rarely. I want the artist to challenge me and challenge himself....not take the easy way out. That is just me though. Personally, 4-5 new songs a night would be good enough for me at this point. 1 is ridiculous for a NEW band with 4-5 years of recording under their belt and about 50 live shows played.  >:(

hey man i wanna hear new shit as much as the next fan, but we get what Axl, or whoever has the say, is willing to give...there are bands like radiohead that are willing to showcase new shit, and like Black Label Society and Pearljam that give free listens for new songs, then there are other bands, like tool and gnr and NIN who hold onto the stuff until the last possible second...just the way it is people

Madagas lotsa people go to shows to sing the tunes out loud with the band...not me personally but alot do...to some people it's great fun to know all the words to all the old songs :peace:


LMFAO AxlsMainMan... :rofl: yeah i know alot of people that like these guys but I find them to be a snooze fest and no matter how hard I'v etried i cannot bring myself to like them :hihi:

Im just throwing darts in the dark here...

But maybe the last few gigs, specifically in the UK, the fans just really didn't have the foggiest clue about the new songs...more so than all the other places they've played on this tour so far?

Or maybe with only a few gigs left, Axl wants to starve the real hardcore fans like us going to the shows, expecting to hear the new songs, because come Fall, we're going to hear them all over again, plus much, much more : ok:

Yeah I think its because what happened  last time, when he thought he was in, then management said he was not. I think ron doesnt assume anything.

is this show soldout

well it's over that's for sure :hihi:

the list of band members who had problems with Buckethead extended beyond just Robin.

I think we all need to just chill out and stop specualting on whats going on with this band. For all we know everything is fine and dandy. The internet is the one starting all the bullshit rumors. Lets just have a little patience and we will eventually find out if anything at all is going on.

This is a amazing time to be a Guns N Roses fan, the guys are touring, Chinese is hopefully getting closer to being released and Axl seems to be in good spirits. Lets just enjoy it while we can, because we all know this could end at any given moment.

exactly Mega, it could end at any given moment. That is why I want an album as soon as possible because the whole shithouse could go up in flames! Every little wobble scares me. I love the new band and don't want to see it splinter like the old one did.:D

I agree, this was just one show, and nothing that major even really took place.  Let's all go outside and enjoy some sunshine and fly a kite or something.

Axl should ask for everyone in the crowd to throw a buck on stage if they wanna hear another new song :hihi: think of the benifits of that.....about $10,000 each night for each new tune he plays :rofl: in the UK the currency is actually about 2.5x so thats a more of a bonus for him :P

@PhillyRiot....that sounds like a great idea but it's supposed to storm here :hihi:

Next to Axl, Buckethead was definitely the main attraction in 2002... The others were jealous imo.

Robin's role, for example, wasn't as important as it is now : Bucket's departure upgraded him.

Buckethead has numchuck skills...chicks dig guys with skills :rofl:

 :rofl:

That sure did come out of left field. ;D

In regards to Ron doing the U.S tour or not, I think all of that will be decided in the next month. If Buckethead can't be obtained to come back and play yhe solos/music he helped create for Chinese Democracy, then I would keep Ron in the fold. Ron's cool as fuck, does a good job of playing those speed parts, and has a good stage presence.

However, if I was Axl, I would try to make the peace with Buckethead and get him back into the line up, I think BH deserves his chance to play the material he wrote. Now, if BH has done something horrible behind the scenes to really fuck Gnr over, then of course don't invite him back, but I don't think something like that happened. Even if Tommy or another band member don't like BH, I think they should put aside their personal feelings and just keep it on a musical level. On a musical level Buckethead deserves to play on the same stage with all those guys.

In response to Neemo talking about a lot of bands touring playing primarily old material... I agree..... there is nothing wrong with that. But, let's face it, I don't look at GNR as a nostalgia act, I look at them as still having a chance to be the best rock n roll band in the world today based on their new material, I know all you guys do too.... so I still WANT more new songs, but I can accept Axl playing the old ones if he has some type of plan in mind. Whatever he has in store, we will see here in the next couple months... I think it's going to be one hell of a ride. :beer:

Why does everyone choose to ignore that Buckethead fucked over the band two years ago?

http://heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=104

In B's defense, the band was moribund for at least 18 months prior to Rio 4; Bucket wanted to  tour with Claypool, but had to commit for the summer and Fall.  At some point, when nothing is going on, you have make a decision to push forward. I really believe that B was not happy on that US tour and was unhappy to postpone C2B3 and a number of his side projects out of what appeared to be futile hope that GnR would get back together.

As for Axl's press release, you can literally feel the insulation in the band from those words. Lots of second hand accusations and misdirected mis-communication. Did these guys ever talk to each other directly?

Also, if Axl could recruit Ron on two week's notice, why couldn't he recruit someone back then to do the exact same job that Ron Thal is doing now?

I think there is always two sides to every story, I think that press release was obviously Axl's side....the truth is usually somewhere in the middle. I think Buckethead was flustrated with the lack of progress in getting Chinese Democracy released and saw touring as pointless without a new album and eventually had to make a decision. Buckethead's guitar tech said that "Bh did some of the best stuff he had ever done for Axl"... and that "those two's attorneys only communicate now"... meaning that Axl and Bh don't talk I guess. :no:

I wish Buckethead would just state his side of the story.... then maybe those two could come to some type of compromise and get him back in the band.  :peace:

It could be speculated that Axl may have in fact recruited Bumblefoot to join the band and re-record Buckethead's parts as far back as 2004, when rumors of Bumblefoot initially auditioning began to surface.

Perhaps the dispute Ron had with Axl/management in 2004 about the confidentiality of his audition was a cover up, just as it was for Axl to say he only joined the group 1 week prior to the May 12th show in New York... :peace:

Nice to see these threads never go off topic ?::)

It's really hard for someone trying to read about the concert, while searching through a thread where half the posts arn't even about the show

Yeah, please mods lock this thread already -no offense to all the posters, but this is way off topic anymore.

In all fairness, it does say "All Purpose Thread".. :peace:

Right.
Sorry, I just noticed. Thanx for pointing that out.?
I'll just use the "mark as read" function. :hihi:

what i cant understand is why the hell all this crap about throwing things at people only seem to happen at the GNR shows and nowhere else!! iv seen many shows from bon jovi to metallica to the fuckin aerosmith and i havnt seen anything beeing thrown at any of the band memebers intent on hurting them! i just dnt understand what the hell all that shits about!!! especially when u know wat axl is going to do!!

can anyone let me in on it?

You should have seen Funeral for a Friend at Download! They really got it

Where are you from?  I know I've spent the last 13 years or so going to mainly hard rock/metal gigs and in most of those, I've seen things be thrown.  Seems to be quite the regular occurence in the UK, unfortunately.  Especially at festivals.  I don't understand it either.