Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Guns N' Roses => Guns N' Roses => Topic started by: Minneapolisnewsman on August 29, 2006, 10:57:08 AM



Title: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: Minneapolisnewsman on August 29, 2006, 10:57:08 AM
This could be the biggest change to hit the music industry, well, ever!!  Very interesting news from the Universal, via reporting done by the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5294842.stm


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: Knight of Rose on August 29, 2006, 11:01:45 AM
fuct that shit...


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: Neemo on August 29, 2006, 11:02:52 AM
no mention of gnr in that article ::)


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr on August 29, 2006, 11:03:03 AM
I dont like it. As a musician, I can see that the artists arent gonna like it either.


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr on August 29, 2006, 11:03:56 AM
no mention of gnr in that article ::)

He's just saying that if Axl waits too long to release Chinese, then this idea could already be in place.


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: Minneapolisnewsman on August 29, 2006, 11:04:47 AM
I think the major artists could benefit from a similar model, and have more control over their content. ?Think about it!! ?Anyway one spins this, though, it's great for the consumer.


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: Minneapolisnewsman on August 29, 2006, 11:05:09 AM
no mention of gnr in that article ::)

He's just saying that if Axl waits too long to release Chinese, then this idea could already be in place.

GNR are on Universal!


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: bDinan on August 29, 2006, 11:09:12 AM
Part of it already has...  :hihi:


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: Neemo on August 29, 2006, 11:15:01 AM
no mention of gnr in that article ::)

He's just saying that if Axl waits too long to release Chinese, then this idea could already be in place.

GNR are on Universal!

whatever i doubt this will happen, they may make new disks available after a certain time period or a seletion of tracks but they won't give tunes away for free, what is the point of being a company if they don't make money.

and this is not really gnr news, that is the point i was trying to get at :P


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: Thorazine Shuffle on August 29, 2006, 11:16:35 AM
Don't count on it kiddies, save your allowace for the CD. ;D


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: BLS-Pride on August 29, 2006, 11:17:29 AM
Why would Axl even care? Bands don't make shit on record sales.. Its all merch and touring.


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: codenameninja on August 29, 2006, 11:19:43 AM
The idea is ok, i still like to own physical media and like the art work that comes with it (assuming its any good). Having said that, compact discs have impacted my views slightly, as vinyl records really felt good to own ?:)


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: BLS-Pride on August 29, 2006, 11:20:40 AM
They would still print it on CDs and what not. They wouldnt just let it be on the net.


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: stvyrayvhn on August 29, 2006, 11:22:01 AM
Guns N' Roses make a lot of money off of their albums as well as touring and merchandising. 


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: BLS-Pride on August 29, 2006, 11:24:37 AM
Not as much as you think.. Thats not where the money is when your in a band.


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: pasnow on August 29, 2006, 11:26:25 AM
THis threads title is completely misleading. The CD will be marketed & sold!!


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: Minneapolisnewsman on August 29, 2006, 11:35:51 AM
THis threads title is completely misleading. The CD will be marketed & sold!!

How is this mis-leading.  Universal is most likely going to put their whole catalog online for free.  Read the article.  It is a very revolutionary move in the music industry.  Of course, CD will be packaged and sold--most likely though, with mult-media content to make it valuable and worthy of purchase (this would apply to most major artist releases).


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: WARose on August 29, 2006, 11:41:05 AM
Not as much as you think.. Thats not where the money is when your in a band.

bands who aren`t touring unfortunately aren`t making money either :hihi:

i guess axl`s making tons of money from record sales.... but maybe even more from merch and touring...


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: Neemo on August 29, 2006, 11:42:49 AM
Not as much as you think.. Thats not where the money is when your in a band.

bands who aren`t touring unfortunately aren`t making money either :hihi:

i guess axl`s making tons of money from record sales.... but maybe even more from merch and touring...

he prolly has a shit load of investments too i highly doubt all his $$$ is from record sales but i bet a good portion is and i doubt S&D would bother suing if it wasn't much money


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: BLS-Pride on August 29, 2006, 11:44:11 AM
Not as much as you think.. Thats not where the money is when your in a band.

bands who aren`t touring unfortunately aren`t making money either :hihi:

i guess axl`s making tons of money from record sales.... but maybe even more from merch and touring...

You get the point. The main bulk of money doesn't come from record sales. Ask any band ont he road and they will tell you that record sales isnt where the money is.


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: miss bomb on August 29, 2006, 11:44:16 AM
aye i was watching this on the news today, they reckon other labels and sites like itunes will follow suit. anyway, good news for gnr i guess...people could listen for free, then open them to a whole new world of gnr


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: stvyrayvhn on August 29, 2006, 11:56:35 AM
Not as much as you think.. Thats not where the money is when your in a band.

$1 per record is a lot when you've sold 50 million albums.


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: polluxlm on August 29, 2006, 12:05:24 PM
A truly genius move by Universal. The world is going digital, and instead of spending money on fighting a development they can't hope to stop anyway, they're adapting to it.


A win-win situation for everyone.


The business sector will be able to get more revenue in having their commercials reach out to more people in a more efficient way.

The record company will make alot more money on advertising then record sales, as more people will download when the music is free. The bands reach a much greater audience, which again makes them more money.

And most importantly; We, the customer, get's the opportunity to listen to all the music we want for free (Although we'll off course spend the money we save on all the useless shit in the commercials :hihi:)


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: busngabb on August 29, 2006, 12:40:14 PM
You lot are missing the point.

All free legal downloading does is shift the purchase from your bank account to the bank account of some global corporation who advertise either on or during your download.

Advertising will play a large part of this as it will allow the record company to make back the money they would be losing by giving away their products.

I agree that it is unlikely to be that big a revolution as a lot of people still want the book that accompanies the CD, and a CD case for it to go in their collection. That is the one big downside to digital media.


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: ComeOnAxl! on August 29, 2006, 12:41:51 PM
Universal, better watch there steps..........


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: BurningHills on August 29, 2006, 12:42:51 PM
Lock this misleading as all hell thread please.


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: 1badapple on August 29, 2006, 01:03:29 PM
i think it's a great idea. instead of bitching and moaning about the $$ they're losing, they're finding an alternate way to make money instead- advertising. i suppose i can put up with some lame commercials while a cd is downloading. Chinese Democracy is still a cd that i will purchase though, along with a few other bands that i'm loyal to.


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: Minneapolisnewsman on August 29, 2006, 01:23:22 PM
Lock this misleading as all hell thread please.

I am still trying to find out how this is mis-leading?  Isn't GNR on the Universal label?  Isn't GNR a part of the Universal catalog?  Isn't GNR gearing up to release music under the Universal label?  Can't we have an educated conversation on this wonderful board, that is not about what color of braids Axl gonna wear at the MTV awards?   I, for one, would love more tangible, intelligent conversation!!

 I think, this opens up huge, new avenues for fans and the label.  Heck, instead of buying our favorite artists CD, we will buy their DVD.  The times are a changin! 

I think, it will only help a major established artist like GNR, as fans and new fans can have their music at their fingertips for free!  It will only increase the interest in the live shows and merchandise!!!  :yes: 


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy may end up online for Free--Universal revoltuionary move
Post by: Z on August 29, 2006, 03:17:36 PM
Lock this misleading as all hell thread please.

I am still trying to find out how this is mis-leading?? Isn't GNR on the Universal label?? Isn't GNR a part of the Universal catalog?? Isn't GNR gearing up to release music under the Universal label?? Can't we have an educated conversation on this wonderful board, that is not about what color of braids Axl gonna wear at the MTV awards?? ?I, for one, would love more tangible, intelligent conversation!!

 I think, this opens up huge, new avenues for fans and the label.? Heck, instead of buying our favorite artists CD, we will buy their DVD.? The times are a changin!?

I think, it will only help a major established artist like GNR, as fans and new fans can have their music at their fingertips for free!? It will only increase the interest in the live shows and merchandise!!!? :yes:?

It's yet another misleading title that leads one to believe that the thread contains info on the pending release of Chinese Democracy.

This is not a subject that includes Chinese Democracy.  It's a discussion that belongs in the Bad Obsession section without referencing CD in the title.