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Title: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: AtariLegend on October 13, 2006, 04:51:17 PM
Coma Vs Estranged

So what do you people think is the better of these classic two songs?


Title: Re: Comma Vs Estranged
Post by: FortusGNR21 on October 13, 2006, 04:52:48 PM
Mmmm a classic GN'R epic or a punctuation mark.............I can't make my mind up  :rofl:


Title: Re: Comma Vs Estranged
Post by: nygiants82 on October 13, 2006, 04:53:18 PM
Thats tough, but... Estranged.


Title: Re: Comma Vs Estranged
Post by: gibb on October 13, 2006, 04:53:56 PM
Personally, I would take semi-colon over comma, but Estranged over both. ?(Sorry - Friday afternoon, couldn't help it).


Title: Re: Comma Vs Estranged
Post by: gnarly on October 13, 2006, 04:55:54 PM
i'm not able to choose. ???
they have different styles...   :P


Title: Re: Comma Vs Estranged
Post by: SPUNKY on October 13, 2006, 05:09:34 PM
coma just... cause its the most underated song ever.......


 :love:


Title: Re: Comma Vs Estranged
Post by: Alina on October 13, 2006, 05:42:39 PM
its hard to choose , the songs are diferent  :-\


Title: Re: Comma Vs Estranged
Post by: Megaguns on October 13, 2006, 05:52:51 PM
coma, all the way..... Id rather be driving around with coma pumping out my car speakers,
Estranged is cool, but i dig the live versions better, There always seems to be more emotion in that song live.


Title: Re: Comma Vs Estranged
Post by: AtariLegend on October 13, 2006, 05:57:18 PM
I would've said Estranged, until I seen that great youtube video of Coma live.


Title: Re: Comma Vs Estranged
Post by: dboyd13 on October 13, 2006, 05:57:24 PM
comma or coma? ?is this a new song we have never heard of? :rofl:


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: PrettyTiedUp763 on October 13, 2006, 06:16:12 PM
Okay, that is a hard pick. They are both very different. I love Estranged, but I have to go with Coma. It never got enough credit to me. It's such a powerful song.


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: charlesfosterkane on October 13, 2006, 06:18:16 PM
estranged. my favorite song.


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: St_Jimmyuk on October 13, 2006, 06:20:29 PM
thats a tough one they are both fantastic songs but im going to pick estranged because i love it


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: russtcb on October 13, 2006, 06:47:37 PM
If you held a gun to my head and forced me to choose, Coma would win out.


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: Alina on October 13, 2006, 06:51:28 PM
why its hard to choose becouse coma is ?very heavy ?song , estranged more soft and slow
IMO ?it was more easily to compare between estranged or madagascar or even NR
coma hard to compare with any song , maybe its just me


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: AtariLegend on October 13, 2006, 06:55:48 PM
Coma + Estranged both have the same role to fill on their respective album


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: polluxlm on October 13, 2006, 07:01:28 PM
There's no competition here. Estranged all the way. The best song ever created.


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: Robman? on October 13, 2006, 07:17:09 PM
Estranged, one of my favorites, right next to Nightrain


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: CocaineTongue22 on October 13, 2006, 08:01:05 PM
Estranged. Easy. My favorite GNR song by far.


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: HamsterDemocracy on October 13, 2006, 08:04:32 PM
They're incredibly different songs.

One is aggressive and the other isn't.

The only thing that ties them together is that they are both introspective. Otherwise everything about them is different.

I prefer Coma when I'm in the mood for it, and Estranged if I'm in a different mood.


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: Vicious Wishes on October 13, 2006, 08:15:38 PM
For me, it's no choice. I'm going with Girth. I mean Coma.

Got a one way ticket on your last chance ride
Got a one way ticket to your suicide


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: The Legend on October 13, 2006, 10:01:52 PM
Boy that's tough. They are my top-2 fav's.

But I gotta give the edge to Estranged...


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: bigcash2002 on October 13, 2006, 10:06:05 PM
Estranged


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: Chandler on October 13, 2006, 10:07:30 PM
Ummm.....This sounds like a Dead Horse to me  ::)


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: oldgunsfan on October 13, 2006, 10:17:05 PM
They're incredibly different songs.

One is aggressive and the other isn't.

The only thing that ties them together is that they are both introspective. Otherwise everything about them is different.

I prefer Coma when I'm in the mood for it, and Estranged if I'm in a different mood.

Agree with every thing you say.

But I'll always prefer Coma no matter the mood.  i think it's more introspective an personal level.


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: no more patience on October 13, 2006, 10:28:08 PM
coma


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: kunzerd on October 13, 2006, 10:36:23 PM
i dig coma, but i think it has cool parts, as opposed to being a song that is cool through and through.

that last 2 and a half minutes is killer, but there are sections that it couldve done with out, like the sound effects.


 i vote dolphins. i mean estranged.


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: gilee7 on October 13, 2006, 11:27:00 PM
Coma is an amazing, amazing, amazing song. But Estranged is the greatest song of all time by any band.


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: Albert S Miller on October 13, 2006, 11:38:08 PM
(1) Estranged
(2) Coma
(3) I don't know why!! ;D


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: HoldenCaulfield on October 13, 2006, 11:42:37 PM
'Coma' is the most brilliant song ever recorded, IMO. It has such an intense, ugly poetry to it. 'Estranged' is a fantastic song as well, I just haven't been a big fan of it. I think Axl's done better. I think 'Coma' was a sum of each indivual members' best efforts: Axl's best lyrics/vocals, Slash's best solos, Duff's best bass, etc...


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: HollyW00d on October 14, 2006, 01:22:09 AM
Estranged is a better song, it has more meaning behind it and excellent solos and piano work.  It's like listening to an epic movie in the form of a song. 

The problem with Coma is that it is underated by the casual fans and overated by the die hards.  If Coma was cut down to around 6 or 7 minutes it would be a much better song.  The heavy riffs last too long and the vocals are too spread out.  If you cut out the middle-end of the song where there are paramedics in the background talking and the same riff is playing over and over again the song would be a lot better.  I really want to try editing my own version and see how it comes out.


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: melissa on October 14, 2006, 04:34:46 AM
Estranged. but both are great songs.


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: mdttkk on October 14, 2006, 04:35:56 AM
im going through a Coma phase right now so id have to choose that.  Dead horse


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: miljana on October 14, 2006, 05:01:59 AM
estranged


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: killingvector on October 14, 2006, 05:06:49 AM
sick of this life

not that you care.....


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: codenameninja on October 14, 2006, 05:14:12 AM
Coma Vs Estranged

why?  ;D


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: WeHeldTogether on October 14, 2006, 06:15:52 AM
Are we talking about a head to head battle here, with weapons?  if so Coma would certainly destroy Estranged


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: blaqktiger on October 14, 2006, 07:29:00 AM
Estranged ;D


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: The Legend on October 14, 2006, 07:45:00 AM
Are we talking about a head to head battle here, with weapons?? if so Coma would certainly destroy Estranged

Yeah but Estranged would kung fu kick Coma, before it could get it's weapon out.


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: Goddamn_Electric on October 14, 2006, 07:46:06 AM
No contest.  Coma is a great song, but Estranged is my favorite song.

Estranged FTW.


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: feestybaby on October 14, 2006, 11:13:07 AM
ESTRANGED GRABS COMA BY THE HAIR AND BENDS IT OVER... : ok:


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: HamsterDemocracy on October 14, 2006, 11:15:52 AM
ESTRANGED GRABS COMA BY THE HAIR AND BENDS IT OVER... : ok:

 :confused:

Don't write that ever again.


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: Calcy on October 14, 2006, 11:58:02 AM
Estranged for me by quite a way.


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: Red Sox Fan on October 14, 2006, 12:17:57 PM
Estranged, but Coma is such a close second  : ok:


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: AtariLegend on October 14, 2006, 12:20:40 PM
I said Coma before, but now I'm changing my religion to Estranged.


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: moondance_1 on October 14, 2006, 10:03:46 PM
two of my fave but Coma just does it for me,always has always will.i'll be old and rocking in a chair on my porch telling the grand kids get my gn'r cds and play dead horse and coma.


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: a. on October 14, 2006, 10:59:43 PM
If I had to choose, 'Estranged'. Has a lot more personal "things" to it for me. 'Coma' is great too, but I've never been that fucked on drugs or booze, so I can't related. Relationships are a fucker though!

a.


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: lennonisgod on October 14, 2006, 11:17:58 PM
Hmmmm... Growing up Estranged used to be my favorite song of all time for many, many years. Nowadays though, I hardly ever give it a listen and I don't really have a good answer as to why.  I prefer a lot of other GN'R songs now over Estranged. Coma has always been a favorite of mine but without the ending that Axl wrote himself, the song would just be "ok".  So at this moment, sitting here today, I would have to pick Coma. I love the live versions and for me, the live versions of Estranged just never did the studio version justice at all.  Don't get me wrong, I love it played live and I would love to see it live with this new band, but there was just something missing from the live version every time I heard it.  I think Axl might actually be able to perform that song better now, than he used to be able to.  God, thinking about these two songs just made me realize how long it's been since I listened to anything by the old band. I haven't listened to any studio albums for months or even any of the complete collection of live shows I received a few days ago. All I've listened to is this new band and all the boots and demos over and over.  Fuck it I guess.  Maybe I'll go and give Estranged a listen for the first time this year...


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: WhosGilby? on October 15, 2006, 12:42:08 AM
Coma


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: BluesGNR on October 15, 2006, 01:14:41 AM
Estranged. 

Hands down. 

Coma rocks though and I love it, but Estranged means too much to too many people to let a rocker own it.

 :peace:


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: badobsession81 on October 15, 2006, 03:10:55 PM
Hmmmm... Growing up Estranged used to be my favorite song of all time for many, many years. Nowadays though, I hardly ever give it a listen and I don't really have a good answer as to why.? I prefer a lot of other GN'R songs now over Estranged. Coma has always been a favorite of mine but without the ending that Axl wrote himself, the song would just be "ok".? So at this moment, sitting here today, I would have to pick Coma. I love the live versions and for me, the live versions of Estranged just never did the studio version justice at all.? Don't get me wrong, I love it played live and I would love to see it live with this new band, but there was just something missing from the live version every time I heard it.? I think Axl might actually be able to perform that song better now, than he used to be able to.? God, thinking about these two songs just made me realize how long it's been since I listened to anything by the old band. I haven't listened to any studio albums for months or even any of the complete collection of live shows I received a few days ago. All I've listened to is this new band and all the boots and demos over and over.? Fuck it I guess.? Maybe I'll go and give Estranged a listen for the first time this year...

I hadn't heard about Axl finishing the song on his own... what's that about?


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: Kaleigh on October 15, 2006, 03:23:58 PM
I hadn't heard about Axl finishing the song on his own... what's that about?

I found this on MYGNR:

Writing "Coma" on "Use Your Illusion I" was so heavy I'd start to write and I'd just pass out. I tried to write that song for a year, and couldn't. l went to write it at the studio and passed out. l woke up two hours later and sat down and wrote the whole end of the song, like, just off the top of my head. It was like, don't even know what's coming out, man, but it's coming. l think one of the best things that I've ever written was maybe the end segment of the song "Coma." It just poured out. I thanked Slash for that, because I used to curse him, going, "Man, that son of a bitch has written this thing and I've got to write to it and don't know what to write." It was so hard; it made me feel like, "l don't know how to write, I should just quit. But I finally did write it, and l ended up feeling a lot better about a lot of situations that I expressed in that song. - Axl.

And the source of this is http://hem.passagen.se/snoqalf/m-meaning3.html  I always love reading that explanation.  I can definitely relate to the feeling better about the situations that were written in the song, because I do that a lot. (putting emotions away into a song)

As for Coma vs. Estranged, it's Coma for me.  It's one of the best songs ever, and it means a lot to me.


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: Adler_Sorum_Brain on October 15, 2006, 03:53:30 PM
Estranged...ohh i?m gonna listen to it right now


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: AtariLegend on October 15, 2006, 08:04:01 PM
This is a good thread, 3pgs long and it hasn't been deleted or locked yet.

 Yipee!


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: realtime visionary on October 15, 2006, 08:19:42 PM
Coma.

Estranged's an excellent song, but (just in my opinion), more about the music than the lyrics. Don't get me wrong, the wording's good, but if you held it up as a poem in comparison to even the last minute and a half of Coma, the latter would win, hands down. Besides, the emotion that comes through in Axl's voice, starting at "But who am I to tell you" is just gutwrenching. I dig songs like that, the ones that are almost... visceral.


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: madagas on October 15, 2006, 08:21:50 PM
I think, artistically, Coma was Axl's and Slash's masterpiece. Slash extended himself musically with the arrangement-all the chord changes etc. Axl's lyrics were simply the best he has done-and probably ever will do. That being said, I listened to Estranged a lot more, a little easier to digest. I rarely listen to either of them now since I am a wee bit older. :hihi: Still two of my top five Gnr tunes. :peace:


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: mrbrownstone8797 on October 15, 2006, 09:28:51 PM
Coma is an amazing, amazing, amazing song. But Estranged is the greatest song of all time by any band.
Agreed. : ok:


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: tomass74 on October 16, 2006, 07:26:31 AM
Coma


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: NicoRourke on October 16, 2006, 10:27:37 AM
The last part of Coma and the last part of Estranged ...

Or the first parts ? Or the middle parts ?

Fuck, I love 'em both :yes:


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: Apollon on October 16, 2006, 10:33:55 AM
If I had to choose, 'Estranged'. Has a lot more personal "things" to it for me. 'Coma' is great too, but I've never been that fucked on drugs or booze, so I can't related. Relationships are a fucker though!

a.

Same goes for me... Estraned has a very peronal meaning to myself so I would choose it as my number one!


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on October 16, 2006, 01:14:54 PM
When the Illusions came out these were the 2 songs I was drawn to the most

Today - I really need to be in an Estranged mood to feel the same way about this song as I used to - it's very rare that it brings out the same type of emotions in me

Coma today is as heavy and intense as it was day one and is often the song I tell people to check out when they are kina unfamiliar with the entire GNR catalog - so to answer the question - Coma wins


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: robert32 on October 16, 2006, 01:59:42 PM
Coma Vs Estranged

So what do you people think is the better of these classic two songs?

Mmm... Estranged.  Coma is great, rare example of some great songwriting from Slash, too often he only contributes only in bits and pieces.  I don't actually agree with Iz's assessment that it is self-indulgent.  It might be more complex by GN'R's standards, but it's not exactly prog-rock, is it?  Estranged wins it though for me.  Moves me a lot more.


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: AtariLegend on October 16, 2006, 02:02:30 PM
Without self-indulgence we never would have got most of UYI 1 + UYI 2.


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: robert32 on October 16, 2006, 02:11:45 PM
There's plenty of stuff on those two albums that could get cut really.  I don't think I would cut anything that Izzy had a songwriting credit on, except perhaps Bad Apples... though plenty of the tracks that Slash wrote the music to could go.


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: AtariLegend on October 16, 2006, 02:13:58 PM
There's plenty of stuff on those two albums that could get cut really. I don't think I would cut anything that Izzy had a songwriting credit on, except perhaps Bad Apples... though plenty of the tracks that Slash wrote the music to could go.

We should be glad no cut's were made, otherwise we may never have heard Coma or Estranged in the first place.


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: Eclipsed107 on October 16, 2006, 06:53:02 PM
Coma.

There's no question in my mind, even though Estranged is great, Coma is amazing.


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: Eclipsed107 on October 16, 2006, 11:13:10 PM
There's plenty of stuff on those two albums that could get cut really. I don't think I would cut anything that Izzy had a songwriting credit on, except perhaps Bad Apples... though plenty of the tracks that Slash wrote the music to could go.

I would cut Bad Apples and You Ain't The First in a heartbeat.  Those are probably my 2 least favorite songs.  Put on Crash Diet damnit. :p


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: AtariLegend on October 16, 2006, 11:16:09 PM
God, please not another Crash Diet fan.


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: Eclipsed107 on October 16, 2006, 11:19:23 PM
Crash Diet is a very good song.  It's not one of the best Gn'R songs, but IMO it's better than a lot of the songs on the Illusions...

I'd say it's better than: LaLD, YATF, The Garden, Bad Apples, Dead Horse, Get In the Ring, and Shotgun Blues.

IMO it had it's place on UYI1, they just forgot about it. =/


Title: Re: Coma Vs Estranged
Post by: AtariLegend on October 16, 2006, 11:23:39 PM
Mrlee said the same thing, so I clicked on the dudes youtube Crash Diet video link, and after 3mins, I lost 5 years of my life.