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The results are obvious, but this is interesting to watch anyway:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKKTpRrQdvY&mode=related

He's doing very good this year, but where is it coming from?

ie How much of this improvement is technique, training, physical, oxygen breaks, or electronic processing? 

I think somehow all five of these elements are being employed.  If you hear the 2006 band live, his mic is mixed in at a very low level - obvious by itself, let alone in comparison to Baz from an hour earlier - big difference.  It also has something about it that just feels very 'equalized'.  I don't think you can watch a 2006 show and deny that it's being 'tinkered' with.

Whatever it is, it's working!    -=ZIG

Axl sounded like shit in 2001-2002.

It's hard to believe that only a year ago we were having arguments about how his "new voice" from the 01-02 shows was either good or bad.

Yeah really. I cringe when watching Boston '02 sometimes. :no:

Whatever it is, I think it's vocal improvement. And there's no doubt he's at his best right now.


/lastroots

"My Michelle" from that show is the worst I've ever heard Axl sing.

But we treasured that bootleg along with the Pittsburgh bootleg for three years because they were soundboard quality. I'll probably never listen to them again.

Equalized or not, it's his voice that has drastically improved since 2002. It's so much more powerful now.

It's weird listening to "November Rain" from Rock in Rio III. Axl's voice is nasally and weak to the point where you'd think he hadn't sang at all in several years.

And bumblefoots guitar in Nightrain gets my hair standing! He rocks the shit out of that song! BBF for president!!

And yeah, axl sings great these days!!

WHOAMIGOD I made that video  :o

I believe that someone posted (on youtube) about how he's using effects on his voice. That makes sense, but when you think about it, why didnt he use the effects during the Rio clip? Plus, I'm sure the echo is because it's an outdoor concert.

Oh, and that clip is kinda shitty...I made it in like 5 minutes before I had to go to my final drivers ed  :hihi:

01' version  w buckethead....simply the best..not even close, then 06', then old school....

it has nothing to do with effects. Effect quality may have changed over the years. But if u cant sing u cant sing. and has nothing to do with the tone.

In 92 he used a lot of reverb and some chorus. same goes for today and same goes for guitars. Effects have not changed. there still the same basically as whats been around sicne the 80's. Just quality changes and better mixes.

slash's guitar playing kick these guys ass


The band looked way more band ass in 92 and sounded better

but axl voice sounds awesome this year as well

BH blew slash away on Nightrain, BBFs is good but slash was better.
So it goes BH, Slash BBF

In 01, it seems like Axl was trying to sing entirely in head voice and therefore it's a lot cleaner and sounds more 'compressed' I guess you would say.

I am not sold on BBF's contributions thus far. His shred in KOHD is abysmally out of place, Nightrain is sloppy, and some of  Bucket's cool TWAT effects are skipped altogether.

He is a damn nice guy though. I am comfortable with him keeping the porchlight on for the return of Bucket.

  :hihi: How do the angels get to sleep when the devil leaves the porchlight on?

you got to tell me brave captain, why are the wicked so strong.....

Sebastian bach recommended his voice instructor to axl back before the tour started.

baz's voice instructor also works with christina aguilera...

so in a way, another reason Axl keeps baz around.. baz helped him get his voice back...

Hello!
 Sorry! No effects on his voice.

really i didnt know that.

I was hoping someone besides me believed that!

Why is it not possible that the man (and his band) just happen to be at the top of their game right now??

I think Ron is cleaner and faster than Buckethead in that nightrain-clip (or any other), not sloppy at all.

I'm not saying people should like it more, I'm only having a very hard time finding the supposed sloppyness in Ron's

playing.

Why TWAT is dragged into this discussion (after all, we were discussing nightrain and not even the guitars), where

Buckethead never even performed the song live, puzzles me.

On topic:

Vox-wise Axl came a long way since '02, tinkered or not, the progress is pretty obvious.

-PEACE-

TWAT is revelant because several effects were skipped in the live version performed by Ron.

Bucket is much cleaner than Ron with Nightrain, much more melodic too. The 01 clip was from Rio 3 whose soundboard was extremely thin and ill mixed. The SBs from Boston 02 and Rock Am Ring 06 clearly show a marked difference between Big B and B Foot.

Axl sounds better than ever in 2006 and Buckethead kicks Bumblefoot's ass.

Nuff said.

The best "Nightrain" solo I have heard so far was London (Canada) in 2002 with Buckethead.

Thanks Beta...the reason I brought it up was because it was obviously someone who didnt like Axl or the new guys and was trying to say something negative.

Thanks for clearing that up  8)

This post is confusing my head.

that's because i wrote 2006 when i meant 2002 in the last line

already edited

My fav versions of nighttrain are all from 87 or 88 with steven on drums, its just got that groove to it. Axl sounds great in 06 though.

Buckethead SUCKED big time on GnR.
He just plain SUCKED a lot of ass.
IMO His style didn't mesh at all with GnR's.
Played the same fuckin' lick on a different key on every damn song, and isn't half the musician (and guitarist) that Ron is.
I think BBF is by far a more suitable choice for Gnr.

And he beats the shit out of every song on the set.

And Axl's voice is rocking.
I'm glad he isn't using that dying cat squeak he used in 02.

That's pretty cool he sounds best in 92 but 06 sounds fucking good too. 1992 he just has that raw power and aggression in his voice that isnt quite there in 2006. What the fuck was wrong with this voice in 2001/02 terrible.

Same here. Even '92 doesn't sound as great.

Just watch different versions of 02'.  Especially Live and Let Die, he has NEVER held notes that long.  He hasn't held a note that long ONE time in 06.  I prefer the 02' band and voice ALL the way!  The 06' band does sound tighter, but none of the guitarists hold a candle to BUCKETHEAD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf4lAubK13I&mode=related&search=......GREAT Nightrain, and Axl voice sounds great on it and YES ITS FROM 2002.

You can't honestly mean you prefer that version over... this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTHEZ8-uWXM

 :drool:

i know he sounded damned good in san francisco on 9/20.... really blew me away because i honestly wasn't expecting his performance to be so perfect and yea he really seemed to get into nightrain... it was fucking intense, the whole show

I saw that performance at my local theatre.  It was professionally shot, and the sound is adjusted to sound better.  If 02' had these qualities it would blow this version out of the water.  But this performance IS great.

grog mung, are you high?

I think this pisses all over the 91-93, 01-02 and 06 versions.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VtyqIRMJLCs     

To me thats Guns N Roses.

He only held the LALD notes longer because he was using his head voice and that requires less breath.

The reason '02 notes are held longer is because he's singing entirely in head voice.. he's compressing it so as to not as let much air out. Usually when singers sing in head voice, their output becomes stronger, but I find that Axl's becomes weaker. It is all a matter of taste which tone you like though. The raspiness comes through today (and in the early days) is using a softer head voice, bordering on falsetto.. because of that he lets out a lot more air and can't hold the notes as long.

Nothing beats 1992 on that case.... Just pure rock n' roll.

And 2006 is way better then 2001 --> Axl really sounded like Mickey Mouse in those days.....

No way man... i thought it was horrible  :-\ well not horrible but... i didn't like it.

I think, the difference between 06' performance and 92' is because of the sound reproduction. I mean, it's better nowadays.
but no doubt axl's voice has changed.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=AF9DABD43E642ED8

i put together a comparison of clips from songs to show the difference in Axls voice from the different eras. In every clip, the order is 2006, off of Live Era, and 2001/2002.

its pretty sloppy, but it does the job

I would rank it 92, 06, 02.  That is both on singing terms, and general band coolness. 

But in 02, who was the guy who looked like he was wearing a mask.  Not buckethead, i know who he is.  But the guy who looks EEEEVIL. 

06 is the best.

the only one who wore a mask was buckethead. maybe youre thinking of robin finck? he looked very goth and creepy back in 2002.

In terms of his voice, this would be my ranking:

1.) 1987 - 88
2.) 2006
3.) 1993
12313123187987.) 2002  :drool:

In terms of the band, as a whole:

1.) 2006
2.) 1991

^^Excellent list. I agree 100%.

Looking back at the RIR3 concert its really aa shame that his voice wasn't '06 material becuase the crowd looked energetic as fuck! Could you imagine that concert with the '06 voice?

Yeah. Imagine that crowd...at the Rock Am Ring-gig for example. RAR was one of the best GNR-gigs ever and the audience was boring as hell.

92>06>02. But Axl's voice was at it's best back in the late 80s.

2006 is by far the best, most exciting version out of those clips.   vocally and musically.

Comparing nightrain alone, i would say that it was at its best in 1993 when slash did the extended outro solo a la argentina. also 1988 was fucking awesome all together.

as far as the vocals go
88>93>06>92>02

as far as the solos go
93>02>88>92>06

axl sounds really fucking good these days, but ron's nightrain (remember i am ONLY talking about nightrain) is not as strong as slash's or buckets in my opinion

btw...this is the gnr i love the most (i know its not nightrain, but since everyone is posting heyday videos i figured wtf...) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fex7LU4-wdI

06' is beyond perfection.

2006 sounds the best but you can't beat 1992 for all round performance.

Yeah u can, 1988.