Here Today... Gone To Hell!

The National Association of Recording Merchandisers (NARM) in Marlton, N.J., and the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame in Cleveland, released a list of what they term The Definitive 200 albums of all time. Topped by the Beatles, Pink Floyd, Michael Jackson and Led Zeppelin, the list is a virtual who's who of the artists who we all love and rock out to. Check out where your favorites rank. Guns N' Roses' 1987 classic "Appetite For Destruction" ranked No. 32:


The Definitive 200 (Complete list (http://www.rockhall.com/pressroom/definitive-200/))

1. Beatles ? Sgt. Pepper?s Lonely Hearts Club Band ? 1967
2. Pink Floyd ? Dark Side Of The Moon ? 1973
3. Michael Jackson ? Thriller ? 1982
4. Led Zeppelin ? Led Zeppelin IV ? 1971
5. U2 ? Joshua Tree ?1987
6. Rolling Stones ? Exile On Main Street ? 1972
7. Carole King ? Tapestry ? 1971
8. Bob Dylan ? Highway ?61 Revisited ? 1965
9. Beach Boys ? Pet Sounds ? 1966
10. Nirvana ? Nevermind ? 1991
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32. Guns ?N Roses ? Appetite For Destruction ? 1987

A glimpse of the future, and not because of its huge influence and umpteen million sales. The poor-little-rich-boy protest "Out ta Get Me" intimates that Axl Rose's egotism and martyr complex were soon to grow bigger than his head; still, Appetite's night-train wreck of punk and metal sounds and sensibilities make it more than just an emblem of its time. Whether GN'R are dancing with Mr. Brownstone, penning a callow kiss-off letter to some chick named Michelle, or passing out on somebody else's sofa, this was and remains a savage journey to the heart of the American--or at least the Hollywood--dream.

--Rickey Wright

Sources: http://www.gnrdaily.com/news_detail.asp?id=604

can someone please tell me why that shit of a band nirvana always get in the top 10?

The amount of albums, famous and not famous that piss all over that are in the millions.

its because cobain is dead, same as all other posthumous bands/ singers that are successful!

what bothers me is why the fuck dylan gets to the top ten of these things, he's fuckin gash! he cant sing.
all he does is write songs that other people cover and do better!

thats hilarious :hihi: and true  *cough Knockin on heavens door cough*  :)

I don't know how you can say Nivana is shit.  Nevermind was as big as Appetite.  Do I like Appetite better?  Yes.  Still, Nevermind was huge.  Nirvana was/is huge. 

Dylan is also an icon.  Every artist today would probably like to be Bob Dylan.  Go listen to about 4 or 5 of his records and then tell me your not a Dylan fan.  Start with his earliest and go from there.

I like Nirvana, really do, but yeah, his death no doubt evaluated his status. If Billy Corgan had shot himself instead of KC, then there is no doubt in my mind Siamese Dream would be at number ten,

As for Pet Sounds, I can appreciate it ground breaking innovations and techniques, but personally, that album never did anything for me.

Tapestry is a good album, but in the top ten?

The others aren't too bad...

Still, where is KISS? Van Halen? NIN?

I always find these lists amusing, isn't the whole idea for people to then debate them?  No list is definitive, and no llist is going to get agreement...
I would argue there is no Radiohead in the Top 10 - for comparison a Channel 4 poll in the UK had Radiohead OK computer at No1 (and AFD was in Top 10)...

i tried to like dylan, my old man has loads of dylan cd's! i just cant get in to it, i just think he is fuckin rubbish! i also think a whole lot of people like him just to be in fashion. alll these fuckin asshole new acts quoting dylan as an influence, its pathetci, my girlfriends brother, who knows jack shit about music went to see dylan in glasgow a couple years back, paid ?50 for a ticket, and him and his buddys left, it was that shite! :-\

typical American list no Queen in the top 10? ::)

Ha, ha so true. He is a great songwriter though. An excellent example of what you said is the song, "All Along the Watchtower". It became famous only after Jimi Hendrix covered it and then Dylan started performing the Hendrix version live.


Agreed.  :P

It should be anyway  ;D

Anybody that wants to debate this list should consider one thing:

21.  Shania Twain "Come on Over"
41.  Jimi Hendrix "Are you Experienced"

WTF!? Where are Black Sabbath? Where are Pantera!? Where are Queen and Van Halen, The DOORS!!!!? Where are THEY!!!!!?


Piss poor list that is! LESS than piss poor list! Oh, and there's no way the Beatles are number 1, they were awesome, but fucking hell they don't deserve to be top of the list! Same with Nirvana, the Beach Boys, and Carole King.

"can someone please tell me why that shit of a band nirvana always get in the top 10?"

'cause he shot himself... Too bad he's dead, if he weren't, maybe critics wouldn't be sucking his cock all the time... :yes:

It's somewhat humorous how angry people get over these types of lists.  This one may hold a little bit of weight considering the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame helped in its compilation, but at the end of the day, it's still just one or a couple of dudes giving their opinion.


Seriously, relax.  In six months there will be another list. 

And for those of you who don't "get" Dylan, understand that he has produced some of the best lyrics.  Without Dylan, everything would have been different (he was a major influence from the Beatles to Radiohead).  You may not like his work, but read up on songwriting as it relates to Rock N' Roll and there isn't a major artist that doesn't hold Dylan in high regard. 

Anyway, this is a GNR forum and such the discussion should surround GNR's placing on the list.  Most of us over evaluate GNR as they're our favourite band.  But just because GNR is my favourite band I wouldn't be so naive to suggest that they are the greatest or best band, or for that matter, the most influential.  I don't need my favourites to be the "best."  I'm just happy that Appetite for Destruction was acknowledged for what it was, instead of what it wasn't (through most of the mid to late 1990s GNR was for the most part thrown together with bands like Poison, Cinderalla and all the other crap hair-bands; thankfully the band is now given distinction for being a band above all those who surrounded the air waves). 

Should it be in the top 10?  Probably not yet, but who knows later on depending on how the future values the music.  Is it bigger than the Joshua Tree?  Both great albums, but I have to give the nod to the Joshua Tree for simply transcending U2 from superstars to icons.  Had appetite been GNR's second or third album, maybe then, but it's a tough call.

Cheers,

Andrew

Because Kurts dead, its like art, when an artist dies the value of their paintings soars.

Sgt. Pepper at one?! What a joke, I wouldn't even put that album in my top 50. These Dicks always fail to remember what an impact AFD had on an era.

Typical American hater? ::)

There are pleanty of american acts not on that list who should be... Plus a non american act got #1 so hush? :P : ok:

Yea but he still wrote the songs and therefore has to take 99% of the credit for the song, regardless of whether you prefer a cover to his own and surely the fact, as your friend pointed out, that lots of other people cover his songs shows him to be an awesome songwriter. Admittedly he cannot sing very well but his songwriting ability on it's own means he deserves to be in most of these charts

Haha...funny.....and I agree...but I think I like the European lists better because my favorite band is usually in the top 10 on these types of list.  And Queen is amazingly underrated here in the states.

This list is awful.  You mean Nevermind is better than the 2nd best Beatles or Led Zeppelin album.  Im not saying Nevermind was awful, but what are they judging these lists on.  If its on talent Nevermind should be in the bottom 100, if its on sales then its barely in the top 50, if its on impact on music i think if you look at bands today you can see a much bigger influence from Metallica, GnR, than Nirvana, also Nirvana didnt start  a movement with Nevermind they ripped off better grunge bands.  Nevermind has not business being up there, when was the last time you saw a singer wearing flannel, mumbling worthless lyrics, playing just chords etc... Rock music today, even though I dont like it that much, seems to be a lot on speed/hip hop/ or high pitched screaming.

Led Zeppelin IV is soooo overrated! Just because of Stairway to heaven it gets the praise it gets... III is a million times better

And U2's best album is not The Joshua Tree, Acthung Baby is much better....

I also liked to see Exile on Main Street and Born To Run on the top 10, although I think they should've been a little higher on the list.

BTW, Shania Twain??? Santana's Supernatural??? Come on!!

well for me in my 27 nirvana songs and lyrics are funny
i liked them in my 12,but now not
btw afd are grat great,but why people don't recognise briliance of illusions albums

Because they're full of fillers... THere are some genious songs on there, but other shitty ones... They should've made that one album, and it would be as classic as AFD

truth
1.civil war
2.you could be mine
3.pretty tied up
4.breakdown
5.november rain
6.estranged
7.back of bitch
8.dead horse
9.yesterday
10.locomotive
11.coma

The problem is that I don't think it would fit one CD

yeah,but i can't goout november rain or estrenged

At first glance I thought this was a very typical list.  But the more I looked into it...I realized it actually lacked any sort of true unbias.  Pretty much every album on this list is either a top-selling, multi-platinum album or an extremely famous artist.  There is no obscure album or influential underground album on the list.  Whoever made this just took a list of the best selling albums of all time and mixed it up.

It's very hard to take this list seriously when Shaina Twain, Alanis Morrissette, Norah Jones, Kenny G. and R. Kelly make the list but the likes of The Velvet Underground, Sonic Youth, Pavement, Van Halen, and Run DMC are nowhere to be seen.

I mean seriously who in their right mind ranks Kenny G over NWA and the Sex Pistols?

i didn't see skid row first

yeah but what i'm saying is that bands take his songs, change them, and they are infinetly better!

I was thinking the same thing. I almost considered taking this list seriously until I saw that Alanis Morrissette is ranked better than Appetite.


A-fucking-men!

true man! :peace: I knew that already I just like jokin around like that :hihi:

As if you could call that shit ART.  :rant:

Guns N Roses should have been at least Top 20 or Top 15...and certainly ahead of any Nirvana. Eminem, Alanis Morisette or Dr. Dre ablum.....

What I don't get is how they can not include a band like NIN which created the band Tool Manson and many others.  Trent R is one of the leaders in modern Rock. 

Also how can they put Smashing Pumkings so far down the Mellon Collie CD's are one of the best shoecases of musical diversity and talent ever created. 

Yet they put Twain at 21 even though she does not even write most of her own stuff

7. Carole King ? Tapestry ? 1971

That's the one I don't get.

I'd argue this over any other higher placing album.  Really...... LOL

Pass the Dutchie! - Think I'll need a bit of that!!!

I don't care for that kind of lists

What worries me is tht this list is compiled by people who are supposed to be some sort of (self-appointed) authority on music and the masses will be influenced by it.  I guess making people think 'artists' like Shania Twain are great helps to keep the masses eating up the shit music the big labels keep producing.

i agree.? a list like this is complete and utter crap.? while it may be interesting to laugh at, a list like this is completely subjective.?

having written that, AFD definitely deserves to be in the top 10.? and Slave to the Grind- Skid Row needs to be in the top 10, as well.? it was the first metal album to debut at  number one on the charts.

32...hmmm...32...32 is half way to 64...the beatles wrote a song entitled "when im 64"...Paul Mcartney IS 64....GNR covered LIve and Let Die which was written by Paul Mcartney...this means Axl is the son of Paul Mcartney ! STOP THE PRESSES !

wft?

Anyway, yeah, shit list.  Typical "wank off to the favorites" list, really. 

Just once I'd like to see any one of the following conversations occur amongst the great all knowing list makers:

1.) "Hey, since Nirvana kind of led to the downfall of music, let's not put them too high."
     "WOW!  It makes so much sense now!"

2.) "Hey, Bob Dylan is 426 years old...do we need to keep fellating him like this?"

3.) "Hey, everyone likes U2...but does anyone know why?"

I can't believe you guys can stil behind your computer and write these ingorant ass comments like "dylan sucks becuase he can's sing" or "sgt. peppers sucks" or "nirvana has no talent" and "my brother knows nothing about music and saw dylan and thought it was shite and left early."

people who can make comments like these are really just showing how ignorant they are about the history of music.

I love GNR, but honestly, they really haven't done much.  even theirr best album (AFD) can't evben come close to these bands you guys are trashing.

if you want to diss bands like dylan, the beatles, and nirvana, you should really tey and learn something about music history.  spend about 10 years listening to every record you can find, and you will develop some understanding for why these artists are consinstently listed as the best.

Nonlinear, those artists are constantly listed as the best because the people making the lists are constantly sucking the collective cock of the masses, and they know that if they didn't put Nirvana in the top 10, there would be a backlash of complaints from "mainstream" rock fans... they're the ones most affected by the metaphorical fellatio.

We who get outraged at lists like these aren't affected at all and see the list-makers as really ugly-old-fat-spotty-AIDS-infected wankers with no self esteem are hardcore music fans... and the majority of the population aren't... as sad as that may be.

The Beatles... I can understand them being in the top 10, but not number 1. Every list its either Nirvana or the Beatles at number 1.
I'm not saying Nirvana weren't talented at SOMETHING... because if they weren't, then they wouldn't have been so successful.
And I like Bob Dylan! Obviously him being in the top 10 is a result of his song-writing skills. Yea his voice wasn't very good but so what! His songs are awesome!
The Beatles are always gunna be in the top 10 no matter what because they were among the first, and obviously influenced countless later bands.

Then again... so did the Doors and they're not in the top 10. So did Johnny Cash and he isn't there either! So did Lynyrd Skynyrd! So did Queen, and Nazareth, and the Ramones and Cream and AC/DC and billions of other bands!

The Stones and Floyd were in the top 10.

It always amazes me when "St Pepper" tops these lists.

I mean, the record isn't even in the best Beatles album, in my opinion. "Revolver" is better. "Rubber Soul" is better. "Meet the Beatles" is better...

And, im sorry, but "Thriller" is WAY too high on that list. Better than Zeppelin 4...?!

Oops my bad, I didn't have the list right there when I was typing that... shoulda opened a new tab. Sorry... I'll just edit it so it makes  sense... :hihi:

It doesn't bother me when they put Bob Dylan pretty high on these lists (even though I don't like his singing).  What bothers me is that every Top 100 list has about three Bob Dylan albums in the top 20.  At the end of the day, the authors of such lists have NO respect for the importance of hard rock.  As someone else mentioned, there is NO Sabbath on the list until Paranoid checks in at #62!  Surely you can understand that that's ridiculous.  My God, The Clash barely make the top 100!  This is just silly. 

Obviously these lists are completely subjective, but I think it's reasonable that something ought to stand the test of time before we put it on the Definitive 200 list.  For example, whether it's good or not, how can a Norah Jones album from 2002 be on there, and ahead of an album like Appetite?  It makes absolutely no sense.     

The total list is shit.
I could do a better  list if I were deaf  and dumb. 

I saw this list in The NY Daily News... I think afd is the best, but that's my opinion... Some great albums up there either way..

Nirvana is good but they are also the most over rated band of all time.  pearl jam is way better, AIC was much better and soundgarden was better too.  Ten and dirt are way more deserving than nevermind.  These lists are such a joke.  i wish they could put out a top ten list of greatest albums.. and just focus on the music.. not how it influenced music.. or what it ment pop culture..   the criteria should be based on how many songs you skip when listening to the album... i couldn't even tell you how many songs are on nevermind...  my list would be

1) AFD
2) Ten
3) Back in Black
4) Dirt
5) Led Zep IV
6) Metalica Black Album (i don't even really metalica but this album kicks ass)
7) Pretty Hate Machine
8) Hysteria
9) Aerosmith (self titled)
10) Open up and say Ahh .... ok this prob doesn't belong a top ten list.. but i couldn't decide between poison, buckcherry or skid row   haha