Here Today... Gone To Hell!

"Universal Music sources" inform BW&BK that GUNS N' ROSES "fictional album" Chinese Democracy is done and has been handed in. All Universal BIG wigs were flown to Los Angeles a couple of weeks back to listen to it. The delay is blamed on frontman Axl Rose "not having the proper team in place" since he fired his manager, Merck Mercuriadis. As soon as he gets his "new team" in place the album will be released. September seems like the most likely scenario. Don't hold your breath.

http://www.bravewords.com/news/63042

this is stupid, september...

If the album is handed in, it's out of Axl's hands and the record company will make all of the decisions to when it's released.  However, I don't think this is true.

September?  No thanks!  I quit if that's true.

what a load of BS...
Allow me to post some off the wall shit about the album in some random website to stir the pot...

if universal has the album, they control the situation.. 

September?

And then November....

And then the Spring of 2008....

And then.....

Come on guys, if this is true it isnt bad news!  If its been handed over, it means EVERYTHING is done creative wise.  Which means that all we have to do now is wait.  And this wait isn't in vain since this time it has been handed over to tptb

Based on past behavior - If this is crap, I give it about 10 more minutes before thread is locked down

sounds reliable..
frame-wise
remember that the disc is only one part of teh shit.. cuz now after the habve been handed to UNIVERSAL.. they have to negotiate the promo, the money, the videos and shit.. that normally happens earlier.. but cuz this is a special case UNI said that they wont negotiate if they dont have the CD in their hands (this was confirmed by merck).. after they negotiate they have to start promo, do the single and shits..
and end of july-september date doesnt sounds so bad

Mysteron?

You know, I trust the band to update their website. ?I wouldnt trust this untill we see something there.

I bet the guy got that info off his magic fax machine (sorry Danny, I couldn't resist stealing your gig for a second).   ;D

Ha ha.  Yeah.  This guy must buy his office products from the same STAPLES that I bought my fax machine.  Coincidently, this is the same place where the GNR camp buy their label-makers.

What does that have to do with the release ? If it's handled at the RC, then the album is no longer in Axl's control right ? Or maybe they (RC) want Axl to have a manager to book all that needs to be booked (promo shows, TV appearances, etc.)

Don't telle me they don't have 200 people ready to work on this huge thing.

"September", tell me that it's coming out of the blue ?

If its not posted on the official web site i would say its bullshit.

I thought it takes 8 weeks to put out the album once its handed into the record company ? ?if its true shouldn't we see a late may early June release.

Bravewords is a good site but they have given us false info in the past regarding CD.

Well in light of the other recent activity this morning I would say this is very interesting ?:o

this sounds pretty cool...but crappy all at the same time...

GET A MANAGER!!! :hihi:

well... anything could happen.

the thing that makes me believe something like this is,
GNR missed the chance to participate on the european festivals this year, and if album is to come out in june last thing they'd do is go into silence mode.

Yeah, I believe an article under an ad for a 1992 Damn Yankees concert DVD. Case dismissed.

So how many Tuesdays are left until September lol ???, Just wake me up when September comes! Please people dont believe anything until we have official proof on the official site, or we hear it ourselves from Axls mouth. Also if Axl is waiting around for a manager, I am looking for a new job, or hell Jarmo would be a perfect fit.

Well it was pretty obvious that things won`t start rolling without proper management....not that they did not have enough time to find a replacement for Merck! ;D

But if it is true that CD has been "handed in" it is at least a huuuuuuuge step forward.

well, I wouldnt be comfortable with a GNR manager who's moto is "here today gone to hell". lol... :rofl: :beer:

All we need is clarification from the band or the record company to confirm this is true. Surely a simple press release wouldn't be so hard! Why is everything in the GN'R world so difficult?

If it isn't confirmed it generally means don't pay attention?

As soon as something happens, they'll announce it.

Yeah, Introducing Guns N Roses new manager.....















Merck!......... Jokingly...

why they think GNR will get a new (management?) team in September?

"fictional album."----Isn't  this article meant to be a joke?

If this is true then the record company will get it out as fast as possible, they cant hold on to it and risk it leaking. Way to much at stake for them.

Albums. Do. Not. Come. Out. In. The. Summer. Time.

September it is...

I love it how this post are in ALL the rumours posted here. Theres always some wise guy saying "Mysteron?".  :hihi:

Didn't Tommy used to sell fax machines before he joined GNR?

Somehow, I don't think they would announce this on the official website.

"Hey guys and girls! Guess what - the album is done and handed in. Unfortunately, we can't release it yet as we don't have a 'team'. We'll be hoping to get a new manager sometime within the next two years... Soon! guys!"

This is good news guys! This mean the album will come out this year. That's why Axl canceled the january shows to be able to finish the album until September, that's what normally takes to mix a 13 songs album. I'm so happy CHINESE DEMOCRACY STARTS NOW!! YEAH!!!! AXLS GOD AND HE CAN FUCK MY MOM AND I'M HAPPY ABOUT IT YAY!!!!!!!111!

i always thought he was in that unknown band called the replacements

kind of thing Universal are unlikely to say then surely?

no way Sept.

Really?
well then...

Enlighten me, what the fuck did we do so far?  :hihi:

Wow seriously dude chill the fuck out, you won't last long in the gnr world if you believe every single rumor.... :-\

how do you book a 7 shows with no manager? i mean shit 7 shows at the other ends of the earth no less?

What other recent activity this morning...?

Leaks...

Yes, they're has been some extremely strange events taking place on this fucked-up March the 28th.   :nervous:

If the the band are prepared to say the recordings are complete and off to be mixed, then I'm sure they will say if the album has finished being mixed, once it thas been fully mixed.

What was all that stuff about an album taking 8 weeks from completed mix to hitting the shops. April/May sounds about correct, not September  :peace:

Do you understand that albums aren't mixed up until the release date?

Judging by your sarcastic post, I'm not sure you understood that.



/jarmo

Just because it's handed in doesn't mean they automatically release it 8 weeks later.
It's all about the the record label as to how they choose to promote it and where it fits on their schedule.

The thing that floors me is I can't believe will continue to tour without supporting a new CD.
The difference in ticket sales in many markets would be greatly enhanced if they had new music available and promoted through radio, internet, etc...

thats very true man, I totally agree, a new album would boost ticket sales...especially i would think in the US

and as for the leaks, I would tend to imagine that this is happening as a case of the album being handed over, and like Machine Head and Megadeth before them is unstoppable in this day and age.

If only we could check the Universal 'Big Wigs' roster with passengers on Flight LA5072 then we'd know for sure they went to the listening party in LA. Hell I knew I shouldn't have watched 22 out of 24 episodes of Series 5 24 in one weekend.

As a  long term Guns fan, I've got to say this thing is getting VERY... FUCKING... LAME....  Come one get the damn album out Axl its been years and I speak for millions of GNR fans when I say we're getting fucked off with these tiresome delays.

It's only rock and roll, but I like it!!!   :yes:

Axl Rose can be easily the manager of Guns N' Roses. Axl is everything in Guns N' Roses and not only musically speaking.

I don't know that Axl could easily be the manager of Guns N' Roses. I am sure that there are a lot of things that management needs to take care of that Axl wouldn't have time for. Also, being a manager is not as easy as it sounds. Anyway, we want Axl to focus on music and touring, not management tasks.

well said

It seems like every year they base everything on a fall (pre-Christmas) release. ?I guess it's the way to maximize sales. ?The amount of legal issues surrounding this album is ridiculous.

I'm no longer holding my breath. ?It'll be out when it's out, if it's ever out.

Wow.. After 2 posts?? What a trooper

Jarmo, can you provide any additional information on this rumor?? Are we to assume that since it hasn't been deleted from the board that there might be some truth to it?

And by rumor I mean the one reported on bravewords.com about the album being 'turned in' to Universal.

Your assumption is wrong. We delete posts that are nothing but pure bullshit and lies.

If we don't know, we leave it until we know better.




/jarmo

Agreed.  No album, then please don't tour.  I love them but no more til the album. 

100% correct!!!

WTF?! Some of us haven't seen them yet, like Houston for example. So don't speak for the rest of us saying "No more touring" please.

Some of you guys act like you have some sort of deeper understanding of the situation, but guess what... you don't. Bands tour because they sell tickets, get exposure and make money. They sell tickets because people who have and/or haven't seen them live either want to see them for the first time or continue to enjoy seeing them. It's that simple.

What kind of fan tells his favorite band to stop thier first successful touring stint in over a decade?

Also, bands tend to write a lot of new material while touring.

cool, thanks for the clarification  : ok:

I'm having a hard time getting a good fix on this info. Seems like if the first part is true, the second part CAN'T be true.

But what do I[/b] know...
? ? ?

I have feeling that the first part is true, and the person who wrote the news piece decided to be a smart ass and throw a "It'll take 6 more months" joke into it.

I agree. The overall tone of their post is negative to begin with. Hence calling it "GN'R's fictional album."

Odd that Mysteron was just viewing this topic but apparently left without posting a response. 

Im just gonna say right now I dont believe Mysteron is Mereck and I dont believe he leaked that stuff, but I'm just saying that because I think thats what youre thinking

That's what I'm thinking as well.  If the whole thing was a crock, they would have put something in there like "They handed it over, but when the execs heard it they thought it was shit. It's been refused....again. Back to the drawing board!" or some shit like that.

If the record is completed (assuming this rumor is true), then it's as good as leaked right? They better get this thing out quick if they don't want to lose out on lots of potential money. I really can't see them delaying it for another six months if it is indeed finished, things would surely be reworked and added by the band if they held onto it for that long, and that could lead to even more potential delays. I would guess that the record company would try and get this thing out as soon as possible if it is actually in a completed form. This is all speculation of course, but it seems like common sense.

Ya, im not sure what to think about the 2nd part. Why would the cd be delayed to September because Axl doesnt have a manager??

This story isn't true.




/jarmo

thanks for clearing it up. but what part isnt true??

Hopefully the album is handed in part IS true

Uhg.

So the album hasn't been handed over to the record company?

haha, damn. well at least that means there's still the possibility of the album being released sooner than september.

I don't think that Mysteron is Merck or that he leaked anything.  I was simply pointing out that Mysteron often confirms or denies these types of rumors and I found it odd that he did not post anything confirming or denying.  Regardless, it's an irrelevant argument now, as we have Jarmo's post explaining that the story isn't true.

There's no truth to the story posted on that site.



/jarmo

damn.

With all due respect 2 posts or 2000 posts. It does not make you any bigger a fan than another person. I have been a fan since the very beginning and have seen the band, old and new play over 20 times but does that make a fan who is 10 years younger but has posted 2000 times on htgth a bigger fan? I think not! Mike

Well, good for BW&BK. At least they're trying. Too bad the paragraph states that the 'big wigs' flew to LA a FEW WEEKS AGO to listen to it. I'm sure if the "brass" at that organization cared to hear unmixed material, they could have downloaded the leaked tracks like we did. Er, I mean, like all those inconsiderate thieves did.

An 'A' for effort.

I saw who the source was and didn't bother replying  :hihi:

BW have a history of bad info when it comes to GN'R

Understood.  Thanks for the updates Jarmo and Mysteron.

Now I'm confused.? If I was reading the headline of this thread I would think that it isn't true that Bravewords reported this.

Well-said -  I think a lot of people immediately look to the left first to see the posts and then judge the person - that is utter horsecrap

Absolutely! And just coz someone has a low post count means nothing, tho i think thats been said. No one has the right to dictate to any1 else what it is to be a fan.

agreed. if you're here you're a fan.

so if this isn't true... when is this thing getting turned over. i mean who "unconfirmed" this jarmo?

Damn. This rumor was debunked before I could even look out the window in search of flying pigs  :(

You missed it the pigs tried to take off and fly, they were close until they were smashed by a semi. We cleaned up the mess and cooked bacon. mmmm you missed it.

i agree, Ferimonyde (prolly not spelled right) only has 27 posts and he is the best at remastering vids and audio i know and there are alot more that have low post count that are very loyal dedicated fans.

thats like saying "ohh your young you don't know the band as good as i do, your not a loyal true fan because they came out when you were in dipers" I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE SAY SHIT LIKE THAT :rant:

simplely put you are no bigger fan than any one on this board

:peace:

^^Well said!

Does anyone know who squashed this rumour?

Just to get a clarification Jarmo or Mysteron

 The rumor on that site as a whole is false, meaning that the album has not been trned over to the label yet not just the part about the big wigs hearing it in LA or the sept thing but the important tidbit about being handed in to label is false also.

Just want to be clear

I asked if there's any truth to the story and was told no.




/jarmo

I disagree entirely!  I passed 1000 posts the other day, at which time I stopped conversing with everyone who has under 1000 posts, as I am now better than them. 

I've also noticed that my shit has stopped stinking!

And actually I registered back in 2004 and have read the board rather regularly since then (at least, was checking jarmos site for a while before that). ?Just haven't felt the need to post. ?GNR cancelled on me a few years ago (lost a few dollars in ticetmaster chargers then ?:)) and didn't make it to my location this last tour (top 5-10 market in the US). ?I've been listening to GNR (as my favorite band) since around 1987 (was all of about 8 years old). ?But it's nice to know I'm not qualified to give an opinion.

And I never said I've given up. ?Just that if September really is the new target, that I wouldn't be surprised if they decide leading up to them that November would be a more profitable time to release it (hey it's only another 2 months), etc.

How many rumored dates have to come and go before we just take them all with a grain of salt. ?And for the theory that we shouldn't discuss rumors - what else do we really have? ?Axl can release this whenever he and the label agree to get it done. ?I'll buy it then. ?But forgive me for not getting my hopes up anymore until it's actually in my hands.

damn that sucks, i wish you hadnt of asked them, just so i could have some hope on this album lol :crying:

Thank you. Time for this thread to die out, then.  The fewer unconfirmed rumors we have to get worked up over, the better.

I really wish this was true...oh, well....hey Jarmo, what's your connection to GNR??  How can you squash these rumors??  I'm just asking because I don't know, that's all...no disrespect intended...I don't need another minus rating in my karma.... ::) :nervous:

if its false why is it still up there in the site? are they purposely putting up bull shit or did they get the info from a crock???

someone's source is wrong (or just lying).  theirs or jarmo's.

Beta probably told him  :yes:

Ahhhhh........  I was wondering why my shit was stinking so badly!!!   :smoking:

Thanks for enlightening my senses dude!!!    :yes:    :peace:    :beer:

Right. We GNR fans don't need hope.

Yeah bullshit you will ...  :rofl:

Remember Red, hope is a good thing.

I will not truly believe anything until I see posted on the GNR.com... No matter who you are... or what site you run...

Hey, I'm all for hope. ?I just prefer it to be official hope. ?I tend to get less dejected, angry, frustrated, and disappointed that way. ? :beer:

Hopefully we will get a release date before summertime.

Thank you for confirming! I know ''supposedly'' it is finished and being mixed so it shouldn't be much longer but as far as false rumors that is not cool!

Bummer.

Just to further clarify...the story is false but are the clips genuine or are they fan made? Surely this is something that GNR can confirm

Absolutely id like to know whether these clips are genuine or fan made

There's no mention of any clips in the story.



/jarmo

You should be a politician for the UK labour party.  :hihi:

OK, let me rephrase - the clips (not related in any form to this story) that were supposedly released yesterday that naturally none of us have heard, are they fan fabricated, non official? I only want to know if we were being duped by what was circulated. Surely someone can confirm that. Thanks if you can find out.  : ok:

I didn't make an inquiry in the matter you just announced on this message board.





/jarmo

I really don't see what the big secret is to be honest. And there was mention of the clips on this thread, and another one, although both that thread and all comments made about the clips on this thread have been deleted. I know because I wrote some of them.

you've been reading emails from merck too much, you got his style now ;)

how`s jarmo supposed to know, wether they`re legit or not?

Because he seems to have direct contact with the band or members of the GN'R camp. But we should probably stay on topic because we will get in trouble discussing this especially in a topic that has nothing to do with the leak (not being sarcastic).

no i was just saying that merck was ofetn answering with very short emails (he is on blackberry)  ...
that's all.

I just feel that if someone is passing themselves off as GNR or remixing their work then its fair enough to inquire whether its legit or not. Thats all.

(N.B. I didn't 'announce' it first, but I did find out about it here first)

Anyhoo, back on topic, I'm gutted this story isn't true. One of these days!

Personally you can't believe anything unless you witness it first hand or you see it on the Guns N Roses official site, this story is a total let down, as a lot of people (myself included) prob taught the ball was now rolling and we would have definiate confirmation of something happening since Del James, it has to be said, pretty bland update

I personally think that the next update, speculating of course but with good intent, will be about the single...as the band needs to release a video or a single to promote this album on MTV and the music channels and a single to promote it in the charts and until we hear about that the albums not just going to suddenly arrive on our doorsteps one day

There is no need to let anything get you down anymore. Trust me. The shit is ready and its far far faarrrrrrrrrrrrrrr better than expected. After hearing a snippet of CD, I now agree that none of the "Better" versions on the radio are anywhere near final mix.

It would appear that the promotional wheels are gearing up with an AMAZING commercial coming.

A-M-A-Z-I-N-G !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't fucking believe I ever doubted Axl.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhh,

After a decade of silence........Chinese Democracy HAS BEGUN.

If you are talking about the CD clip.................THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY THAT IS SOMEBODY REMIXING THEIR WORK.

I'm no expert on the issue, but those clips sounded really proffessional. The production values (if that means what I think it does) were amazing.

May I ask with whom are you in contact with jarmo?

Thanks

You may ask many things, but you might not get an answer to all your questions.




/jarmo

Thank you Yoda.

How can you be so sure?

The clip sounds great, but I have my doubts.

First of all, it reminded me of a BloodyRoses remaster of Chinese Democracy I had before (a 2001 or 2002 performance). Everything was really clear in that one as well. Second, when you listen to the december 20th performance of CD, the whole intro is clean as well (check newgnr.com).

In other words, the whole 'leak' doesn't mean much.. we might have had it all along.

Also, Axl's voice sounded quite different in the boston promo.. and somehow I don't think vocals will be shared on CD. It will be Axl all the way.. just wait and see :)

The vocals sound completely different from the same section in the BR remaster, and the overall quality is far superior. Granted, none of that proves it's legit but it is at least a different recording.

I agree, it was/is fucking awesome.

the boston promo is more than 4 years old and consists of different parts of the song......... and there is only axl singing in the clip we`ve got.

This place makes me laugh. Nope, nothing new going on here. :rofl:

                        Fuck why must we always get our hopes up with these rumors ? I was in a record store today and they even said that they wished the album would come out sometime this decade.

I wouldn't listen to employees at a record store...

PLEASE remove this threat if it has no vailidity.....Pretty please.  Lets go with the "Democracy" theme.  Who wants this thread here if its NOT TRUE.  Whats the point?

Thread not threat...oops.  Please just remove the Thread.

Then, explain how the intro (and the 7 seconds from chorus) has stereo effects, since there's no soundboard recording of CD. Also, explain how crispy and clear the guitar riff would sound, without any hiss or backing noises leaking (if you clean that much of a live recording, it would lose quality).

Use a proper audio edition program, take a close listen to the left side of the speaker, remove the vocals. You'll hear Axl's really high singing in falsetto, doing the backing vocals (he sings "lot more time than you.... masturbation").

Well, it's a different part of the song. Madagascar itself has different Axl's voices....

Tommy or dizzy once said they did some backing vocals on cd.

well madagascar from the cd has leaked so maybe the cd was turned in. its great btw

what leaked is not from "the cd" .

Richard did as well during an interview of his with a guitar magazine back in April 2004, I do believe.

and you know this how???

Because as gn'r says themselves; It's not a finished version.

I'm sure you can hear that yourself too.

ibelieveinaxl

use your ear. 8)

or eye
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=44675.0

Thanks ppbebe...I had not seen that.