Here Today... Gone To Hell!

it's a fucking awesome song, the lead lines in it from slash are stunning, and scott sounds awesome.

Where did you hear it?

The short clip was already better than the piece of shit known as Spay.

i tunes UK was letting people buy the album even though no tracks are listed except SBQM, and when you got it from there you got psycho killer messages and the SBQM video.

because it's an i-tunes purchase even if i sent you the track you wouldn't be able to play it as it won't be authorised on your pc's.

I can't wait to here this track the clip in the vlog was awesome

This song wouldve indeed been a welcomed addition to the main album.  Slash shines on it.

the couple of seconds we did hear of it sounded awsome

So messages was a uk bonus track?

seems like it may have been. it might just be an i-tunes bonus thing

The only reason I can see that this wasn't included was because they wanted to keep the album fairly high-energy throughout... It would work at the end of the album, but then it would be following Gravedancer.  The Last Fight and the ELO song are both fairly mid-tempo, but this song is slow.

good point but they could have thrown it in the middle some where and it's not like can't get it out of my head is a hard rocker it is a mid tempo song

Hey, I wanna hear this song. I hope it'll come out on the 2nd single.

I was going to start a thread about this too. I have no idea why they would've left this off, I haven't heard the full song but I remember from the VLOGS it was the one song that really stood out and grabbed my attention. I thought VR were finally experimenting and trying different things musically. Maybe it just didn't fit with the rest of the albums sound. So long as it's put out i'm happy.

fine soloing ;)

I really can't wait to here this track

Ok I just heard the song and I must say that this seems to be a scott/slash song since the rest of the band pretty much takes a step back....



My Verdict

Good song, nice solos by slash and some good lyrics by scott..

*edit, Ok this songs has been stuck in my head for over an hour now, I'm really liking it  :)

Link now!
You give link now!
Link!! 8)

well all i can see from looking at the UK iTunes store is a partial album "Libertad" which lists as containing the video for SBQM and a digital booklet. No mention of messages or pshyco killer for that fact .......

Please explain further .

CJ

They are nuts for keeping this baby off Libertad!

....why in god's name did they keep this off libertad.  Not only is it an amazing song, but the album really needed an addition like this. I'm annoyed with all these special tracks being shipped off to different versions. I am starting to hope gas and a laugh or whatever its called sucks now, because  its almost depressing knowing this wont be on the official version

Anyone have a link to somewhere I can find it?

Ya me too. Any link anywhere?

Oh man this is one beautifull song, the guitar breaks are just  :drool:

Why the fuck is this not on the main album? Are they out of their fucking minds?

In all seriousness, I think "Messages" is the best song VR has done.

Oooh, I wanna hear! Please, tell Me where I can find it!

I wanna hear this song sooooooo bad  :(


After hearing those vlogs, this was the song I most looked forward to on the album

me 2 please ;)

Its on itunes or it is in Australia anyway

i want to hear it to

Totally Agreed.

damn itunes i dont have a credit card

If anyone wants it I have it. I doubt I'm allowed to post it here though, so you'll have to find another way.

(if you can figure out what I mean without me bolding "P" and "M", then you're a genius)

Oh fuck this song is cool!
Yeah and why is this not on the Official US release?
Pure bullocks

Please, I would love to hear it Matt

buy it. then you have messages and the entire album oh and psycho killer again

or at least i did yesterday

yea this song should have been on Libertad.   

Slash actually sounds like Slash!   he hasn't sounded like that in so long.   I think Last Fight is a stronger ballad tho.  but this is definitely better than that Gravedancer shite.

help a brother out here with a robin finck (link!)

this song is amazing

why wasnt this on instead of cant get it out of my head

Jesus Christ. This song is amazing.

The intro gave me goosebumps. Why the fuck aint this on the album.

Slash and Scott steal the show.
Could have been the highlight of the album... heres hoping this is what the next album will be like!

Not that i dont like Libertad... I love it.

this song should've taken "can't get it out of my head's" place on the record


it really feels so emotional from slash.. maybe his best since GNR :o :drool:

Can someone hook me up with a link or something.

Thanks

You can use Itunes to convert it to MP3. Then it'll play.

I'd really like to hear this song!!

you can't convert songs you purchase from itunes using itunes.

Must be a european thing. I do it all the time with Itunes, so i can load songs i purchased onto my mp3 player (my player doesn't support the m4a format).

I got the song now though.

shit this song looks awesome! is it possible for somebody to hook me up with that song? please guyz

I would like to hear messages, Please help Me !!!

Well if you get the ITunes file and then convert it with dBpoweramp converter (what i did), that will take off all the unessecery (sp?) protection crap that iTunes puts on and will give you a straightforward mp3 for you to listen to.

For me iTunes = the main reason why ive never bought an iPod. Creative Zen all the way :D

CJ

pm please:)

WOW! This shouldve made the cut instead of the ELO cover  :yes:

Wow, awesome track!!!  Slash is killer!

its the track of the album.....thats not on the album...... ::)

The opening guitar lines sound like "interstate love" song meets "estranged". amazing :drool:

AMAZING! without words, slash's guitar makes me cry, soooo much soul in there, by far one of the best VR songs!

this song is yet another song which far surpasses any tracks on libertad. are VR insane to not include these far better tracks

id like to hear this song, can you pm a link

never ;)

This song is flat out brilliant. ?The best, soulful shit Slash has put down since Estranged, and beating out that Song he did called Street Child. ?Wow, awesome.

They're fuckin nuts. I think this is the best ballad they've ever done. How could they not find a place for this song on the album?

This might be the best SONG they have ever done. They are fucking NUTS

In my humble opinion it's easily the best

i'm impressed, they are definitely better at ballads than heavier songs. Slash really impressed here, great guitar work.

i havent listened to Libertad yet, i'll pick it up tuesday.

So what version of the CD is this on?  Or is it an Itunes exclusive?

Fucking Brilliant, Slash milks these notes so well..  Incredible!!!!!

anyone want to be so kind as to share some linkage???

thats some reaction this song is getting can someone PM the info cheers

Check your PM...


The greatest VR song ever. ?This song puts Fall to Pieces to shame. ?Makes Gravedancer look like a joke. ?And those are decent songs. ?This song, messages, is not decent. ?It is not good. ?It is fucking brilliant on all levels. ?This is the most GNR fan freindly VR song ever cause it lets the vocalist ?and lead guitar player shine so much just like on Estranged for instance. ?The two work beautifully together throught the song, like the outro to SCOM. ?Its like the theme or lyrics pushed Scott and Slash to higher level. ?This is what I expect from VR from now on. ?This is their potential. ?Its amazing. ?

I like what I am hearing and I like the direction. ?

Libertad in its current state, with Messages, Gas and $ Laugh, and Psycho Killer is a hell of an album. ?What if Wasted Hearts is this good too? ?

This album should have had 18 songs and it would have satisfied everybody.

An album full of songs this good would be the album of the decade.  :peace:

This album really strikes the heart deep. If you don't get shivers up and down your ENTIRE body while listening to this then you have so soul or any recollection for the event of 9/11. This is most definitely the greatest song ever and I seriously hope this is the bonus track for the US and should have been on the album.

Great points!  Not one person has bashed this song.  That speaks volumes.  I think this is one that doesn't have to grow on you.  It hits you right away!

VR are a great band but one of the dumbest.


The fact they didn't release You Got no right as a single and now the fact they left "Messages" off the CD is just inexcusable.

D, I was certain this song would be on album like most of us including Duff.  Who could have trumped them?  Was it their plan to release it like this to drive up sales on itunes?!?!?!?!  Did they fear backlash from media for singing about a touchy subject?  Did they just want to put it out there so they didn't have to make donations or make money off it, but let us hear it? 

Regardless, this song is amazing.  And I agree, how do you not release YGNR as a single?  However, this song is a much better single song than YGNR.

This song has changed my outlook on the world and I have completely reevaluated the way I live my life. After hearing this song, I no longer fear death, or hold any animosity towards even my greatest enemies. ?I believe hearing this song was the last step in my process of reaching nirvana. On the closing notes of this song, I could feel my soul transcending this earthly plane for a brief glimpse into heaven, where jesus told me this song was indeed the after-life's theme song. Did you notice I used the word "transcending"?, before hearing this song, I would have had no idea what that word meant. Now,due to this song, I'm smarter, stronger, and faster, thanks VR for discovering musical perfection and creating the best song in the universe.

Was that supposed to be funny?

If u arent being sarcastic, U need therapy. :hihi:


BTW I'd love for one of my friends to  PM me about the day they are having.  Just send me a Message and let me know how u are doing.....

I need to hear this song...... help?

exactly my thought, what the f... went wrong?

FUckin Idiots man


god damn this is one of the best songs Ive ever heard PERIOD



I think even Jarmo would have to give this song props.

Just think of the video that could have went along with it. Scenes of him leaving, entering the airport, saying goodbye to the family, the terrorists taking control of the plane and the look on his face, news shots of the planes hitting the towers, the nations reactions. I mean that would get props for years to come along with the song itself!!!

i have to hear this song, can someone help me out?

Strangely, I dont share most VR fans enthusiasm over this song.  I certainly think its good, but not VRs best song. 

I dont think it was dropped due to concerns about controversy (or else they simply wouldnt have released it).  I think the likeliest reason was that the band didnt think it fit on the main album. 

This easily could have replaced American Man on the album. Both making reference to America in their own ways and it would fit well with the title Libertad. There is absolutely no excuse for this not making the album.

Yeah Booker, have no idea where u are comin from


This in my opinion easily the best VR song.


I think its better than YGNR,FTP and LTA and better than everything on Libertad by far. It crushes Last Fight, Pills,Demons, For A Brother, Gravedancer...........

This was a top 10 smash on the main c harts.

OK, I'm officially jumping on the bandwagon. This IS VR's best song, bottom line.

You have got to be shitting me if Spay and She Mine made Libertad, but this song didn't.  :o

Messages and GOTD are, imo, VR's best songs

Pacing could be one.  The song is good, but quite maudlin. 

A great song is a great song. there is no excuse.

Booker why can't u just admit they fucked up?

Is it that hard?

"November Rain" doesnt belong on Appetite For Destruction.

Unbelievable that they left this beauty off the album, this is one of their finest songs.  Now I'm not ready to put it above YGNR, or Loving The Alien which is my favorite VR song, but it's better than anything on Libertad.

The only downside of putting a really good song like this on the album, is that it would illuminate just how mediocre most of the album is, seriously.  What a waste

November Rain, Don't Cry and others were saved with the assurance they'd get their time to shine on later albums.  I doubt that the same is the case with Messages

Youre right, but that doesnt have anything to do with my point.

I understand your point, and yes November Rain would've been out of place on AFD, if AFD was in its current format.  My point is that the final tracklisting with AFD was chosen with a grand scheme in place.  This is a different situation.  This is a case of leaving one of this band's best songs off an album and potentially never having it appear on an official release, which would be a bad move.  This would be like leaving November Rain off AFD and then leaving it off the UYI albums as well, a total waste of a good song

Furthermore, I dont' think Messages would be especially out of place on Libertad, it fits well enough alongside songs like Last Fight and Gravedancer, sure it's a little more depressing but it's not nearly as big a departure as NR was from the AFD sound

Agreed but they didnt release it as a B Side either.


If Messages were gonna be on the next VR album, Id forgive them but to make their greatest song in my opinion *At least Greatest Ballad/Slow Song* a Bside is just pure lunacy.


This Damn song has united PRO GNR and VR fans somehow to all agree on something.

This song has one of the best vocal melodies I have ever heard, Scott's voice absolutely soars.

U guys keep overrating "Mary Mary" talk in about a hook


THIS SONG HAS A Hook big enough to catch a Fuckin Whale.

A fair point, but again, separate from the one I made in reference to Ds post.

Im not even necessarily saying it should have been left off.  I simply disagree with anyone who says theres no excuse for leaving it off of the main album.  There is an excuse.  You might not agree with it, and thats perfectly fair, but its still a valid one.

Another weird aspect of this is the fact that it is being officially released. 


I can see your point.  However, I can also see how its inclusion could stall the momentum: "The Last Fight" and "Cant Get It Out Of My Head" arent nearly as slow and maudlin and "Gravedancer" concludes the album.  You used a good word: "depressing."  Its possible that the band just felt the song was too depressing to fit in the album they wanted.  Im ultimately ambivalent and not arguing that VR made the right decision, just a possibly legitimate one.

All that matters is that at least some people can hear it at the moment, so it's not as if it's going to go unheard forever.

true, i think we all just wish it got the recognition it deserves. (being properly released, and maybe even a single, etc. )

i mean my main gripe about VR in general, and i'm sure many others will agree with this, is that they just dont seem like they are living up to their potential, i mean STP and GNR were fantastic rock bands, and we know what these guys are capable of.

i think this is the first VR song i've heard that really lives up to this bands massive potential. it also gives me hope for the future of this band.

I have been saying this since yesterday. Although I think that gutter trash song spay should have been the one to go. This would be like GNR going well I don't think we should put the blues on CD.....

GnFnr87, that's what I've thought since I first heard Contraband. If I wasn't told, I would've never guessed that was Slash riffing away. STP had something about it as well, and Scott's voice, in my opinion, sounded miles better then than now. I don't know, hopefully this song is a sign of things to come.

(I'm not bashing Velvet Revolver in any way, I'm just agreeing with GnFnR87, I still support the band and it's members in what they do.)
It seems we need disclaimers in our posts when in this section. :hihi:

Slash's beautiful melodies and tone are what make this song.  Scott sings with a nice tone and some genuine and touching emotion.

Ali

libertad i think is versatile enough to fit "Messages" and "Gas and a Dollar Laugh" on them

if they had been originally released on the album none of you would've thought anything of it


oh well....like somebody else said, at least we get to hear these masterpieces.  i still can't believe how heavenly "Messages" sounds

Just because the song was left off the album doesn't mean it can't become a single.? Some of the most kickass songs were released as singles first while not released on an album (Honkey Tonk Women, Strawberry Fields Forever, Positively 4th Street by Dylan).? Maybe it'll get an itunes single release since digital is the way to go now and it can garner radio play that way.

THis song has one of the greatest hooks that I have personally ever heard.


Im not talk in bout just VR, Im talkin Music period.


WOW

I have listened to this bout 25 times no bullshit and it touches me the same everytime I hear it.

Beautiful tune....definitely VR's best and one of the better rock ballads I've heard in a while.  Hopefully this song won't be washed away in B-Side infamy. 

There was az intervew where Slash was talking about a song he really loved and was very proud of his guitar playing. He mentioned that the song didn't make Libertad but it will be released 'somewhere else'. Does anyone remember the article? Was he talking about Messages? I hope the 'somewhere else' means an EP or a single.

I think you mean this one, about 6 min into the interview he mentions something along those lines...It's actually a pretty good interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5VLzMWm0Mk

Hey, can someone pm me a link to d/l this song please?  :drool: :drool: :drool:

a pm with a link would be very much appreciated!!!! :(

I would really appreciate a PM with the link as well, I'm in Canada and the album won't be on itunes for another couple of days. Thanks

i would appreciate a PM too thx in advance

I may be new to the forum to post, yet I registered just yesterday and one deciding factor was that I really wanted to hear "Messages." If anyone could PM me this song, that would help me out immensely. Thanks in advance.

Maybe they will use it for a soundtrack?

can anyone Please PM me PLEEASEE !!  :-\

A PM might be nice..  ;D

I'd like to hear this too.

Why they kept the song off is beyond me. Its a good song. It is better than Gravedancers imo because its more original. I love the Slash sound on this one. Overall its a good song I thought I was going to hear a monster after reading the descriptions.....But yes def should have been on the album... If they went in this type of direction I think they would have a more complete and fufiling type album and potential. Hopefully they explore this avenue next time around.

But booker, they released it on UK Itunes, meaning its not intended to ever be on an album.  Just a song from a band.

cant compare it to the nr/dont cry/ycbm scenario because A} this song would fit on the album...and b} they released this song with this album. If they held it for a follow up thats a completely diff story

It mainly Slash's tone that melts my heart.  It is so vocal, and combined with Scott's vocals, it equals magic.  Very few bands have a guitar player like Slash that can put that much emotion into something simple like he is playing.  He is a special player and this is a special song.  The more I listen, the more i love it!

Well I think "You Could Be Mine" would've fit perfectly on Appetite, but I digress. ?There is no indication that this was left off the album for inclusion on future albums, as having it as a bonus track/b-side completely negates that theory. ?Leaving if off in lieu of "Gravedancer" was a mistake in my opinion.

Ali

The music itself is great, some of the best playing slash has done since leaving guns. The only thing I don't like about it is scott's singing, what could have been an amazing song, is reduced to only a good song for me because of his voice  :-\

I can see how they might leave the song off because of the mood/pacing of the CD... I wish they had saved it for a future album though.

There is always hope that the song will be heard, one of Pearl Jam's best known songs (Yellow Ledbetter) was a B-side....

Great point Easy E!

Realizing the song's success they can easily release it as a single. I don't see the reason why they wouldn't do this. They should.

amen

I'm dying to hear this song. Could someone PLEASE help ME out?????

Yea PLEASE someone help ME i would really like to hear this song

help me please im dying to hear this :-[ ???

me too

please im me, screw the law help me out half of ya got it illegally anyway spread the luv

I love Messages, it really gets into me. Ones of the best song i've heard from Slash post-GNR

It seems that Tedy Zig-Zag worked for "Messages", because a few harmonicas of fund are listened.

maybe keyboards too.

Slash Guitar sounds so great, it mealts your heart, so much feelin in some simple guitar riffs, that's why Slash is a guitar god.

I can't belive how people says Slash should learn about creativity from "certain" guitar player, man  ;D  :rofl:

Thanks Slash  :peace:  :  :love:  :drool:

yes, slash shows he's still capable of writing brilliant guitar riffs and licks.   the question is why doesn't he do it in more of the VR songs?   He hasn't shown this side of him in any other VR song, and a guitarist like Slash should be out in front more often playing shit like that.   otherwise the songs just end up mediocre like most of the songs on contraband and libertad.

I think Scott's voice really makes this song, It just goes to places I have never heard it go before.

This song sounds like scott back in his prime and slash back at the top of his game.  It gets me excited to listen to rock music again and so does gaa&L it reminds of why I like STP and GNR so much because of their raw talent. VR should have forced these songs down RCA's throat fuck RCA

the intro sounds a lot like interstate love song.   jus reminds me of it.   i love interstate love song tho.

Agree, I was thinkin of the same thing, Just a a little bit in the intro before Slash goes into the main guitar Melody riff.

I think they sould release another ep with the house is alive and all the bsides in a couple of months I would pay 10 bucks for it instead of downloading it

alot of bands hold songs to be b-sides.

look at bon jovi, they held 2 amazing songs off HAND, Unbreakable and Dirty Little Secret. The darkness did the same off there last album with Grief Hammer

where is this track at seriously!!!  ??? ???

Am I the only person that doesn't care for this song all that much? I mean - it's not bad - but it just doesn't do anything for me.

This song should be required listening for every guitar player before they pick up their instrument on how to say something without saying a word at all.


In case anyone had forgotten, this song just illustrates that there is not a better guitarist on this planet when it comes to playing the guitar on a ballad. Now, if we could only find him a lead singer who specializes in epic ballads, we might really be on to something. :hihi:

I was just sitting here listening to this song with my eyes closed and his guitar sounds absolutely haunting in this song. If you listen to the lyrics from the perspective Scott sung them from it is really moving.

Much like my favorite singer on the planet :beer:, listening to Slash play like this reminds me of that "it" that you just know when you hear it. When those 2 individuals let "it" come out to play it makes you realize why you even bother with this and that other band in the first place. That special "it" just can't be replicated, can't be duplicated, can't be replaced. Just reaffirms why that voice and that guitar produced the biggest band of the past 25 years.

best VR song PERIOD , wow I' listening to this right now , sweet dam slash owns those licks are so emotional and beautiful. When he said he had been listening to old blues , you can hear it. Scott is amazing too , this song can make me cry.

ok now thats going a little too far, don't ya think? ...

I won't cry but it makes my hair stand up on my arms and makes my spine tingle. : ok:

Yea thats more of what I meant lol , in all seriousness thats some good guitar work.

the track is no longer on itunes uk  ???

It may have been a pre-order only track. iTunes does that a lot.

can someone Please help Me hear this track - thanks

Yeah i would like to hear this aswell. Drop me a pm. Thanks

i didn't pre-order it as such. with pre orders you just get them on the day of release, i got this last friday i think it was.

I just joined the forum (been reading here sometime for updates on the band though) and I really want to hear Messages! So where does everybody get this track from??

im really loving the song musically. Wish Slash would have saved this for Axl one day. I could def see Axl singing on something like this. Reminds me a lot of a buckethead type song.  Weilands vocals and lyrics dont match the potential of the track.

I thought that too first time i heard it.

Good lord, people. Where is the track???? I am dying to hear it!

Who wants this (great)song send me a pm

I had high expectations for this song since everybody is saying how good it is, but this song is actually better than i thought! Beautiful melodies by Slash.

I'm probably in the minority but I found the guitars a bit predictable, would have preferred a sharper tone as well.

Scott's the strong suit here for me, he sounds great.

Scott absolutely makes this song but Slash *give him credit* knows how to play without goin over the top and overshadowing the beautiful vocal melodies and lyrics.


thats hard to do.

Sometimes less is more and that is what makes Slash's playing so amazing here.


People can say someone is the greatest guitar player simply cause they can play 100 notes in 5 seconds but guitar playing 101 can be taught by Slash

It isnt How fast u play, it isnt how technical u play it boils down completely to WHAT you play and no one does it better than Slash. : ok:

Probably they wouldn't release it because it wouldn't fit with the songs on the album.

Messages will most likely be on their next album-which all of their songs will fit along with Message.

So the next album will probably be the greatest album VR will ever have.

I want to hear it  :crying: Please Mates

Well, after hearing ''Messages'' several times, there is no doubt that this song could be one of the best tracks in Libertad. I really find weird that it was not included.

But at the same time I dont think this song is better than ''American Man'', ''Dont Drop That Dime'' and ''Gravedancer''. ''Messages'' has beautiful guitars, really great Slash job, but overall I think the song is a little boring and, like most of VR tracks, repetitive.

The song starts really great, but once Weiland opens his mouth, the song starts declining. Once Slash appears again in close up, the song grows.

This could be a good second single, IMO, but I dont think MTV or other music channels will give this too much airplay..

Id love someone to Please Me by letting me in on Messages and Gas  :beer:

 

Couldn't disagree more.

For me, Scott's vocals elevate the song and take it to a more listenable height.

Estebanf u clearly just hate Scott Weiland


Seriously if u say he messes this song up u just need to not even try to listen cause u are obviously biased when it comes to him.

Why ''hate''? I just dont like his vocals in most of these new songs! I like his vocals in Slither, in Sucker Train Blues, You Got No Right, etc, and I also LOVE his vocals in STP hymns like ''Plush'' or ''Interstate Love Song'' or ''Big Bang Baby'', among others.

geez...

I don't think Weiland's vocals ruin the song by any means, but the highlight is still Slash's playing, both the melodies and the tone.

Ali

It's good to see the tune has different points of appeal to the listener, that's hardly a drawback.  :beer:

I agree about Slash's job is pretty good and his solos are the best part of the song, but you must recognize that Weiland's voice in this ballad is very expressive and emotive, you know I am a bit sceptic about Scott job but in this performance he is brilliant....

Agreed.  Also, I do like Scott's vocals during the chorus.  He creates a very nice tone to his voice there and sings with a lot of emotion.

Ali

I found Messages great, it's not better than YGNR because of the simple fact that, as you said, it' repetitive. The song grows really when Slash appears

I remember slash talking about using new guitars and such , man but that classic les paul into the marshall tone is so beautiful. The way slash articulates his notes is great!

I actually agree with this to a point.  To me, the guitars are the vocals on this song, and I think Scott did great.  But if Axl could have song on this?!?!?! :drool:  Its killer how it is anyway.  But still.

Would love a PM for this song as well. Thanks in advance

With out Slash's guitars, the song is nothing. ?

At the end of the verse when Weiland goes, "hey ey eh hey", is that like, I have nothing else to say? ?Just kidding, but at times, its like he lacks conviction and power in his voice and almost goes out of breath when singing, "tell my son I sorry I yelled at him yesterday". ?I like it, but Scott's perfect vocal range is that of "Psysho Killer". ?

Slash's guitars are so vocal throught the song, and he plays with major balls with out over playing.

Great song.

Its called an opinion. I also think Scott is the weakest link in this song, for me Slash's playing is great, like I said earlier in this thread it's easily the best playing he has done since leaving Guns. But scott ruins the song a bit for me, he has one of the most annoying voices ever as far as I'm concerned. But that's only my opinion, just like you think scott is great on the song. Neither of us is wrong, because it's an opinion....

Scotts voice can be nasaly and whiney, not everyone's cup  of tea.  He has a nice voice when he "sings".   I like him as a singer and frontman, and like I said, the Psycho Killer vocal range is his best.  I think his "voice" is better on "Last Fight".  But, his lyrics are better here and this is a better song over all.

This song sends chills down my spine that is what I want everytime I hear VR but it's also eerie to think that conversations similar to this happened on 9/11.  I use to live in NY close to the city I could see the smoke from the twin towers from my job when all of that stuff went down.  This song is a masterpiece.  Slash's guitar playing flows over with emotion.  The man is a god and Scott man his vocal are so desperate in this song exactly what the song is all about.  I can't stop listening to it the last fight doesn't even hold a candle to it.  This is one of the best songs ever made.

I thought it was about flight 93 specifically when they called their wives and said they are taking the plane down and coined the term "Let's Roll".

Messages is on Libertad!

I have to ask, as much as I enjoy vr's work why do they always leave off great tunes and put the lower half like she builds quick machines as their single.. I mean out the door, pill demons etc  american man all sound like better tunes to me to grab attention..

No it isnt

Yes it is!  American Itunes Version, as is Psycho Killer.

I think that question is better asked of their record company.  After all, they're the ones who stand to profit the most from album sales and they're the ones who have the final say on what is released as a single and what isn't.

Ali

Thats the deluxe bonus version of the album. Go to bestbuy and buy the album....its not on there......that sucks I know

it's on everyones i-tunes deluxe version now. they put it back on the UK one again

The song is awesome.   I worked on playing it.  Took me a while.  but got it.  Its in Standard tuning.  Slash is never in standard. Oh well.

Can someone 'P'lease 'M'e with this song?

I just got it off itunes and it is def my favorite VR song. It is absolutely beautiful. From slash's opening licks to weiland's vocals, the song is just brilliant.

It's a nice track, but I think it's hardly the work of monumental genius that this thread has made it out to be.  After all the buildup from you guys, I'm somewhat disappointed.  It's good.  Better than some of what's on the album, for certain.

Would it be too much effort to get a tab up somewhere? I'd love that.

While I think "Messages" is great, I'm glad they left it off the album. While I really like it, it wouldn't have fit the flavor of the album. A lot of times when I hear an import with the "bonus" songs, I get that sense, that the added song has just been tacked on and seems out of place. Now this would be great for a sound-track though, or on a single.

He's always in standard - (well, dropped half a step a lot of the time, maybe that's what you mean?)

It's certainly not a slide tuning or anything, as your comment would suggest.

Anyway, reason I bring this up - why does that deserve an "oh well" ?

i agree 100%. some of you guys are really getting carried away.

It's one of the most beautiful songs I ever heard, scott's voice and slash making the guitar cry like an extention of his heart..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3pjV1Ah6rNM

 I still get chills and pissed off when I see that footage. :rant: :rant: :rant:

Love this song!  :drool:  PM please.  :peace:

To be honest, i thought alot of you guys were full of shit when i was reading the comments about this song, but now i've heard it and it blew me away, i can't stop listening to it either, it is wicked and Slash's playing is just incredible, so i guess i'm full of shit too :)  This song should have been the first single for sure, someone at the record label screwed this one up big time!!!

A ton of contraband is drop D.  Half step down is not standard, it is a half step down.  I wondered if they went back to standard (AC/DC) for Scott's voice?  They went a half step down for Axl's voice.  In the history of recorded albums for Slash, he has always played a half step down.  Standard tuning on record is a new for him.  I think.  I may be wrong.  I said oh well, cause when trying to play it by ear, it fucked me up cause I kept thinking "slash is always a half step down".  So I busted out the capo to figure it out.  Then tuned back up.

Yup, great song, but...

I just downloaded it today off i tunes and it is maybe their most powerful song.? ?It is so emotional that it actually gets me teary eyed which is an effect that no song has ever really had on me, and Slash's playing is amazing.? Reminds me of Estranged or something.? I think it was better to leave it off? because it would have had a different effect on the album as someone else stated and be subjected to reviews.? ?I think it stands on its own.? Definatly a nice bonus.

The guitar is some of Slash's greatest playing since the Illusions, I've said this a few times.

BUT a few days later after listening to the song a lot, it doesn't really have any staying power.   not sure why.

Although its still puzziling why they would leave this song off and put gravedancer on the album.

I have spread this song around to people on myspace and the people who responded really liked it.. Weather it genius or not the fact is it's still a real good song and I am really hooked.. :beer:

May I ask for the same thing?  ;)


p.s I can?t stop listening to it (the youtube video)... 10th time now... not kidding lol... I really want to have the song... I got no problems saying that this is the best VR song ever, undoubtedly.

Everyone I give it to says it beautiful, regardless if they like VR.  It is a very good to excellent song.

Just listened the 'Messages' !

Damn! This song is damn good!! why isn't this on album?

That is the question that I don't understand? Anyone? Give me a good answer why this song isn't on album..

IMO One of VR best songs this far!

anyone has the lyrics for this song?? thanks in advance  8)

lol that?s what we all are trying to figure out.  ;)

Looking for this song too, really wanna hear it :peace:

These were posted on velvetrevolverforum.com and may not be 100% right...

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Its been so long,
nice to see you,
wont be long before i come back home,
when the plane lands,
will you reach me,
will you call me on the telephone,

tell my son i wish i never yelled at him yesterday,
cause everythings changed
radar signal seeking you,
but finding nothing at all, hey.
but they'll hardly call the calvery,
theres something happening. hey

goodbye mother,
tell my daughter,
have to leave,
get off the telephone
theres a problem,
sinking feeling,
heros died and plastic armor on

tell my son i wish i never yelled at him yesterday
cause everything's changed,
and you, you gave me all you had,
I hope someday you will be happy,
without me.

lost in a world thats quickly going by,
you were there so strengthened you knew the ground,
angels and the demons fight to save the lives,
while all the others cry,

as for you, you made my life worth living,
I pray one day you will be happy,
without me.

goodbye,
goodbye.

"but they'll hardly call the calvary"

my guess is "blow the horn and call the calvary"

"lost in a world thats so quickly going by"

my guess is "lost in a world thats so quickly going mad"

I have a question for everyone:

If this song is about United 93 (the flight), why would he be saying "when the plane lands, will you call me on the telephone"? ?The people on that flight knew they were going to die, right? ?Is this song for sure about 9/11?

Ali

I believe that part's supposed to be a "call" that happens before the guy got on the plane

That's the only scenario that makes sense, I think.  Although, from just listening to the song it wasn't intuitively obvious.

Ali

Slash gave an interview for the Greek version of Rock Hard magazine and he said that later this year they'll release an EP.

My guess is that given the fan's reactions on this song, they'll probably release the EP for this song, plus a few fillers...

This @!#!@ song gets me everytime I listen to it. It's a fucking masterpiece  :beer:

I agree, and I think it's "a human vessels tweaking towards the ground" instead of "you were there so strengthened you knew the ground"

that's the one common ground I've seen.. Sometimesa  song is just beautiful and crosses boundries of what people typicaly like or dislike.. Just the way scott sings and the way slash's guitar whales with emotion.. It's not a NR solo but it's just the quality in small doses with feeling..

Can I get a way to hear it ? Like a PM ;D

Request seconded.

ok this is getting quite repetitive but damn.. everytime I listed to it I just think the guys weren?t quite smart not puting that on the album and release it as a single... it would be massive! They would sell much more copies of the album... but no, it ain?t there... that?s kinda frustrating... I just wanted to know why  :(
btw... I bought the bonus version of Libertad with the DVD and there was no Messages in there... in which edition can u find it?  ???

Its not physically released on anything yet as far as I know. It's only on the itunes deluxe edition of libertad.

oh.. ok. thanks for clearing it up  ;)