Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://www.sohood.com/1/content/view/3507/41/

Possibly true?

lets hope...

Poland?  I highly doubt that

This is what was posted :smoking:

WELL i am no where nere poland but that would be sick if that did go out that way

Peace

Interesting. Would love to see it. International tour and then back in America for the album's release! Woot woot! 
:beer:

Tour in Poland?

Yeah motherfuckers :D

On another GNR forum(cant remember which) some guy said that there would be an update on gunsnroses.com before 17 feb. So maybe its about a tour?

I most definitely hope so!  I've been itching for another US tour. 

Im going to back up this date aswell,

Ive heard from a few people that we will hear something ( I dont know about tour) from the gnr camp on the 17th (a week from today)

So lets sit back and hope :beer:

That guy was me....

and it's all part of something that's going to happen soon. in the next few days/week.  perhaps before the 17th, of a bit after there is going to be an anouncement.

and If I'm wrong.. Im ready to take the blame.
but from what I've been told. Stuff are finaly in good motion for the year.

Peace

Yeah, now I remember. From newgnr... :-X ;)

Maybe it's the RIR announcement?

I'm on most gnr forums.

cd.com/newgnr.
HTGTH
Dutchdemocracy
Mygnr.

and some more. but yeah. things have been set in motion so look out for some news coming .

Possible. It was around that time when they announced it last time...

They are a lot to choose from... :hihi:

Well how do you know? Just a hint. ;)

Im excited and hope theirs going to be more then just a tour news when gnr does hit the foreshores again
when it comes to informing the fans,

I mean I love them touring ,
but theyve done that for 2 years already, and without cd in our hands, It just seems like its 06/07 all over again,
I hope and pray that we get some concrete release date  :peace:

Who cares man, better to have them out there doing something than hiding away doing nothing at all.  Not that I wouldn't also like a release date, of course.

And PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE come to England, I just missed you in 06, but no way that's happening this year.  And don't play a festival, play the stadiums and arenas. 

I agreed,
I said im glad that they are touring,

I mean to choose if they would tour or no tour, i would choose tour everytime,

But the question remains, is this gonna be afd/cd tour after tour,
or will it be the cd tour after tour...

But I hope we hear from the gnr band either way

peace  :peace:  :D

If they start touring again, (especially in North America), I really think they should do the right thing and make it a CD heavy setlist (similar to the Get in the Ring tour). I mean, if the album is still months away from the time the tour starts (speculating here, nothing more) than they should really treat the fans that are seeing them for the second, third or even fourth time since 2002 - 2007.

I also wouldn't mind seeing different UYI songs in there too...but who wouldn't    : ok:

I hope it is true :)

Nobody remeber us. Come on, South America havent seen GNR yet. (except brazil).
Axl, we are waiting for you here. Dont forget us. Argentina!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anything other than some details about CD would be incredibly dissapoiting to me...

Well any news is good. If its a tour announcement, then at least thats a step in the right direction then sitting back and wondering whats going on.

I'm not sure how many more new songs we'll be seeing yet until the release of the album, but hopefully they'll start to do all of the new songs live, kind of like that first Hammerstein set-list.

If I was an established rock star and had a lot of creative control over the music and tour ( like Axl does) how cool would it be to tour places off the beaten path & take in the people and its culture for a little while?

How soon after the 2002 MTV appearance did they announce the tour?

I think it's funny how nobody is suggesting a possible surprise Grammy appearance to tie in with this latest 'news soon' rumor. Artists love to follow surprise appearances, shows, etc. up with BIG NEWS (especially tour news) in the following days.

I really hope the news is about the album and not just another tour. How many times can they tour without the album. Why tour without the album.

I want to hear all the new songs on the studio album. I dont want to hear any new songs on some crappy bootleg. We have pretty much heard half the album. Atleast keep the other half as a surprise. I can live with a tour only if the album has a set release date and it comes out during the tour.


gnrjanus.....are you expecting just a tour announcement or will it be more than that in your estimation. Thanks for the heads up.

Yeah, why play live in front of your fans at all? Why would anybody play in front of their fans when they can just sit at home?

Stupid question in my opinion.



GN'R is often compared to Metallica for some reason.

Like Metallica is some kind of template for how things should be done.

Yet, they tour without the new album out.

Metallica is gonna do their third "Escape from the studio / Sick of the studio / We need to get out of here / Let's go on tour this summer" tour since their last "proper" tour in support of the St Anger album ended.

I wonder if their fans are as upset as you?





Who's forcing you to do anything?

 ???



/jarmo

And Chinese will far surpass anything Metallica has put out in the 16 years. I'm a huge Metallica fan, but yeesh.

Are you going to hijack every opinion of mine Jarmo?

I dont care if you get off on seeing GNR playing in Poland or wherever. I dont. I will get off on Gnr on tour when the album is out. Then I would love to see them tour the world. Every inch, every corner.

Me, as a gnr fan, I want the next press release to be about the album. Im sorry you dont feel that way. But I do ;D

Does Gnr owe that to me? Nope. Am I expecting the next press release to announce an official release date? Nope.

No1 is forcing me to do anything. But when you know your band has been struggling to release an album is really hard to not download the leaks.

If there were no leaks, no tours_or atleast no playing of the new songs), the surprise and excitement would have been 1000x greater than it will be when we get it. Although it still will be great even though we have heard almost half.

all the new songs are great but they are taken for granted by most. Including myself. If everythig was released a once it would have been an unimaginable experience.

So hopefully gnr will spare me and salvage the rest of the album for me and not play any more tunes until its released.



But I can hope for it. Thats what I would like to see happen. Its the same story year after year. We all hope for that 1 press release that announces what we all want. You can get excited about a gnr show in poland but im not. Ill hope for the press release MOST  gnr fans have been waiting for.



 

a european tour would be good now

in 06/07 it started with 4 us shows, a european tour, then a mini us tour, then a full us tour, then a break and a mexican/australian/japanese tour

Maybe because you're selfish?





Me, as a GN'R fan, want GN'R to do whatever the fuck they wanna do.




Exactly.

Nobody's making you download "crappy bootlegs". You choose to.

Nobody's forcing you to "wait" either.




As a fan, I get excited when GN'R, my favorite band, does things. It might not affect me directly, but I'd much rather read posts from happy/ecstatic fans who attended shows than more of the same posts from you.

You want the album, how many times can you state it? We get it.

Ever tried repeating it really fast while holding your breath? Maybe it'll be out faster!  :P




/jarmo

There's two sides to it. If they go around the world again and pick up the tour where it left off in Japan, then that's OK, at least it means people will get to enjoy the band and have fun at the gigs, and I'm sure there are GNR fans out there who aren't really nagging for more new songs or an album - they just go to enjoy it for what it is, to hear Axl singing the classics. I'd love to see them come down to Australia again. The Sydney gig was one of the best I've been to. Most important though, at least we know that Axl is still interested in GNR, and any GNR activity is better than nothing, right..

As I've mentioned before though; if Axl wants the new GNR lineup to have its own identity and look to the future with new material rather than playing a Greatest Hits set, then it would be nice to have something new to promote the forthcoming tours. It doesn't have to be a single or an album - if they went so far as to post the studio version of a brand new song on the website for free streaming download, I'm sure that would be of benefit to all people no matter how significant their interest in GNR is.

The "old" GNR fans would have a taste of new material and maintain some interest in Axl's future, rather than just what they believe is a "non-existant" album, based on tabloids and rumours that they hear

Casual fans of the band and general music fans would have a new song to enjoy and rave about

And the more serious fans such as ourselves would be pleased with something to indicate that things are going forward.

Hopefully the release of a new song in such a format could also coincide with a promo CD that is issued to radio stations for them to play officially rather than sneaking in illegal demo mp3s

younggun.....i agree with pretty much everything you said.  another chinese democracy tour w/o a cd would be so counter-productive.  100% of the focus should be on new music.  the next tour should be almost exclusively new songs.  it's an embarrassment to the members of the band and the fans of the new band that they are forced to play songs that they did not write or record when they have 4 cds worth of tunes that do belong to the new band (that they aren't allowed to play live yet for whatever fucked up reason)  i personally have no interest in seeing robin finck play slash's guitar parts, i want to see him play his own shit.  the music is there, it's fucking kickass music, play the new shit!!!!!!

I agree 100%. The "new" line up kicks the old line ups ass and they should have a venue to show off their own talents and not playing music written and played by others. Robin, Tommy, Brain, Richard, Chris, and Ron are great and they should be doing all new stuff to get out of the olds shadow...Am I a hater for saying that? Younggunner and TWAT made valid and true points and jarmo rips them a new one?

Because sometimes it's not about what you want them to do for you?

"I want this, I want that"

What happened to "ok, so they wanna do that and it's fine with me"?



It's pretty simple. If GN'R goes on tour before the new album is out and you don't like it, don't fucking go. You really have that choice! Isn't it amazing? : ok:

But we both know, you'll be there if GN'R plays in NYC before the album is out.....




The whole idea of "I don't wanna hear them play old songs" makes no sense to me. Ask concert goers if they expect to hear Paradise City at a GN'R show. Do you honestly think they'll say "no, it was by the old band?"

They can never win this fight. We have people like you who want them to play 99% new songs, and you probably don't care that a big part of the audience only know the hits. So your ideal set will leave a lot of confused people.


I must be stupid, I just want the band to play whatever they feel like playing. If they wanna play 99% new material at shows, cool. I'm sure I'll enjoy it just like I've enjoyed all the GN'R shows I've been to.

I never saw anybody at the shows being upset when the band played Welcome To The Jungle, Sweet Child O' Mine, My Michelle, Nightrain or Paradise City.



This whole thread is about a fucking rumor and already the setlist whiners are out in force. Amazing!


Could you for once try to understand that the band could actually decide themselves what they think is the best for them to play? Is it possible that they know what might work and what not at any given time?



But it's like Axl said, he doesn't play for the people who sit at home whining about the setlists.  :)





/jarmo

dude, relax. i never said i wouldnt go. of course i'd go. all i said is that YG and TWAT made some valid points about this rumor and what they thought about it. that's it. as far as im concerned, yes, id like a new set list and a new album. but if they dont do either and just tour, then that's great also and i'll be at those shows....

good points jarmo, but this is a different band.  if people want to see 20 year old songs played live then go out and buy the tokyo dvds.  i've seen the original band several times and while i love those songs with a passion, i'm ready to turn the page.  the new band is fucking unreal, there is fucking sick music out there and it needs to be unleashed.  i'm sure the band members would have much more passion playing new songs that are "their songs" rather than playing old tunes that they didn't write, which in turn would make for a better live performance.  sure, axl can do whatever the fuck he wants to do, but the only way the new band will get their own identity is to play their own shit.  it is very difficult to get a crowd into music that hasn't been released, no matter how good it is......which is why getting the cd out should be 100% of the focus in my opinion.  once the cd is out and the new songs fucking smash people upside the head, those tunes will be huge live....i'd much rather wait as long as it takes for the cd to be released and then get a tour with alot of new shit played live than have another tour now.

Well then it sounds like you agree with me. That you respect the band enough to let them decide what they wanna do.

Yes/No?



It works pretty well for The Rolling Stones.....


You say it's a new band. But it's still GN'R.

GN'R plays GN'R songs.





/jarmo

the stones have more than 1 original member in the band....bad comparison

No, I don't agree. It's not about the members.

People buy a ticket to a GUNS N' ROSES concert and I bet they expect to hear GN'R songs.





/jarmo

Yes. 100%. That wasn't my point. My point was the YG and TWAT brought up some valid points. That's it.

Great.



I disagree, as I pointed out.




/jarmo

And its totally fine if you disagree with them, but don't go off on them just because they don't agree with you. That was my point all along.

Why not? I disagreed with the opinions and presented my reasons.



And why are you defending them? I remember this guy attacking people who were agreeing with me once. Something about them kissing my ass and being my army.....  :hihi:





/jarmo

im actually not defending them. read my post. i agree with them. im sure they can defend themselves. they dont need me to do that. what i said was, you go ahead and disagree, that's fine. but, you go off on them as though your opinion is the end all and it is surely not. when someone disagrees with you, you call them names and such. its just childish...state your point and back it up. if you have a solid point, the point will speak for itself. no need to get petty on them....

As a faceless man once said "get off your high horse".....


That's your misconception of what I do. It's not my fault you see things that aren't there.

If you weren't that biased, you'd see that I post my opinion just like everyone.



Yeah, things might get heated at times because I tend to believe in what I say instead of trying to impress my online buddies.

Also, people like Younggunner state his opinion month after month, you'd think that he would get that we get it by now? So when I have to tell him "we get it, you want the album" for the 19484th time, would you think it's weird that my tone might not be the same as when I told him that the first time?





/jarmo

again, another non-responsive response to my post.....its ok, dont worry...you can do it. its your house...and as far as you telling people what to think and see, you are right...i dont believe a word you say.....

They've done it a couple of times. People would love to see the band tour in support of the album. But I'd love to see the band after all this inactivity. Album or not. I mean when they were trying to get the album out in 2006 they were "just touring". People in NYC and in Europe really dug those shows and were some of the best performances in GNR History. So those should have just not have happened right?

So the band should lie dormant until the precise moment the album can be released? No momentum for release, really?

I love Jarmo's little sig thing, "You can't always get what you want".

Of course not.

You're the kind who runs away as soon as you're required to give some real answers instead of basing everything on "you think you speak for the band, get off your high horse".



I'm glad you agree with me that the band should be allowed to play whatever they think is the best. Maybe something for your friend Younggunner to think about.  :)




/jarmo

real answers? what are you talking about? i give OPINIONS here. there are no right or wrong "answers" as you say. however, if i or anyone else disagrees with you, then our "answers" are of course, wrong...

so do I...

I never knew it was bad for a fan of a band to want to hear new material.



and no1 is forcing you to agree with my opinion  : ok:

as many times as they go on a tour without a new album

wow your so funny !!

Just like I "repeat" the same stuff over and over...so do you.

Thanks for laying it out there captain obivious.
No shit gnr will do what they want when they want. But at the same time people are allowed to make comments about what there doing. Im sorry you cant handle it. Can you also stop with your little slogans and gnr company lines? Its getting sickening.

:o omg gnr has fans that want to see this new band play the songs they created :o

This just in. the original gnr band have been broken up for over a decade. This just...not everyone can get over that fact......yet you are claiming the band is upset that they have fans wo actually are ready to move on? Please dont make dumb comments liek that. Your not the spokesperson of the band.
Im sure Tommy and Robin and Axl are happy that they have gained supporters of the new band over the years and im sure they are appreciative that the people want to hear their music.

Now its my turn to play captain obivious....

maybe the greater part of the audience only knows the hits because well lets see....hmmm....um maybe because they havnt had a fukin gnr single or video yet? Or an official album?

maybe, just maybe, when the album comes out, and they release some singles and videos, and do some interviews etc...that maybe that kid from poland or idaho that your so concerned about will actually know and want to hear the new material?



I promise you this.....after the album is released and people see new gnr in action I promise you most will think this is the ideal setlist....
Chinese Democracy dominated set with a few classics sprinkled in...

and then when the follow ups get released they would have 2-4 albums of new stuff plus old stuff...imagine that tour!

If anyone here would be opposed to that type of a set or thinks that the general public would hate that set after a few months of the CD release then please tell me why or who....


Noone can be confused about the set because all they have to do is go on a site and that will be the set for the night. 99%  of new gnrs sets have been the same.

But im sure you dont have a problem with that because "Gnr does what they want when the fuck they want" yea dudeeeeeeeeeee

nope all i stated in my original post was what I hope the next announcement would be.

When they are in my area I go to the shows, so hes not talkin about me! :peace:

And the band should respect their hardcore fans enough as well. Your not the gnr spokesperson. Stop talking like one. Im pretty sure GNR respect the fact that some of their fans want them to release the album and play the new songs. I think they sense the frustration and anticpation over the years.

Of course its cool to see gnr when they hit your town. Im not disputing that. No1 is knocking the show they put on. Its amazing. With that being said, I would like to see the new era begin.

I rather have gnr not do anything then do another tour without the album. Like I said earlier, the main reason being, I dont want to hear anymore new songs until I hear a studio version. Thats just me. Its cool if others have diff opinions. Im not Jarmo, I wouldnt knock them.

A real answer to a real question.... Like Yes or a No....





Do you ever bore yourself?






Do you think I'd have to repeat myself if you weren't repeating yourself in the first place?


That's a real question and I bet there's a real answer for it that you can skip!




Ah, the good old insults from the super-fan.





I sure hope so!

Wouldn't want you to feel too comfortable repeating your 2001 act.


I'm sorry you can't handle a band that doesn't do what you want them to when you want them to.



GN'R should respect the hardcore fans?

Respect goes two ways.






It's funny seeing how you two are like a cute little tag team.  :)

You shouldn't believe everything this lakersaregreat newbie tells you.

Just because he's gotten into his head that I think that doesn't mean I actually do.

It just makes you seem like you have no clue at all when you make that kind of statements.....



Edted to add: Maybe you shouldn't be asking "How many times can they tour without an album out?" but instead "how many times can I repeat that I want the album out".....




/jarmo

Your the only one who seems to have a big problem with my "whining" and redundant posts. Take a step back and dont respond!

Lets see the respect I have given gnr ....

6 shows
a Tommy Stinson show
VGH
a couple of Bucket albums
couple of tshirts
poster
soccer jersey
even though they dont profit from this....a shitload of vhs/dvd boots off of ebay etc.
I have pretty much every show on cd from the 00-02 tours
and all the support I have given them and will continue to give them
o and i have never once bashed their show or songs...

is that enough respect for you?

actually i havnt read one of his posts in this thread yet

and I dont even know who he is. why do you always think I am in cahoots with members of the board? I told you to leave your Sherlock Holmes badge behind. Your clueless when you make those claims

That's your wish. That you and your pals can take over with your whining and turn everything to "whine whine whine".





That's respect? You buy stuff and you give them respect?

If that's respect, then how much respect do you have for McDonalds? Pizza Hut? I bet it's a lot of respect over the years!  ;)




I meant respect like "I want the band to be happy, I believe that they are the right people to make their own decisions and I support them".

You don't need to spend a penny on that kind of respect.....  :)
 





/jarmo

Any GNR tour, at this point, is going to be good just for the hardcore fan, or the few brand new fans. It's been an on going nostalgia tour for the last eight years. Sides a couple new faces, you know what it is and what you're getting. Take a tour for what its worth. There you go.

Well being that Im not rich and choose to spend my money on them, I think its not a case of just throwing my money at something ebcause I have money ;)



Yes Jarmo, Im sure this group of adults, are more than capable of making their own decisions. And Yes I do support them when its all said and done.

But Im also allowed to disagree with certain things they do. Thats life. And Im sure they understand that. They cant please everybody. Just ask Axl that one

Its just my opinion dude.

I mentioned Metallica earlier. The "template" that many of you like to use on how "other bands" do things.

Every summer they focused on a different area.

One year they did a bunch of big festivals, the other it was a lot of shows in Scandinavia and next summer Eastern Europe.




Look at the empty spots on a world map where GN'R hasn't played. Either since the 90s or ever. You'll see that they could play, if they wanted to, to a bunch of people who wouldn't complain.






You're free to disagree, but I'm trying to convince you to look at it from another angle....

Instead of being so self centered, think about the fans who never saw GN'R. I didn't see one disappointed fan at the shows in Japan that was upset about the album not being out....





/jarmo

jarmo - ask axl which type of respect he would rather have from his fans....the kind youngunner described, OR the type you describe where you don't need to spend a penny.  :hihi:

i think we all know what his, and most other musicians response would be. in fact, Seb Bach basically said that a few weeks ago.

so i think axl would be quite happy with younggunner's "respect."

you don't want "complainers" on your board (and i agree with you on that), but don't confuse that with what puts money in axl's pockets. and ultimatley, gives all of us all the opportunity to enjoy his talents.

I didn't talk about what any other band is doing. We all know what a GNR tour is and what you'll expect to see after all this time. I said, take it for what it is. Any real discussion, besides GNR coming to your town, about a tour is pointless at this point. You add an "I wish..." comment to anything related to GNR and you're slapped with the old "whiner" tag.

So yay, a tour might be in the works.

I just wonder if you would be saying these things and having these concerns if the album was out and GNR never even toured there or thought about touring there?

Would we be reading posts from you saying "Im dissapointed in GNR, there are a lot of places that havnt seen gnr play yet, why arent they playing there?"

not a shot

I want as many people as possible to see gnr in their lifetime. Its a great experience. But this idea that because GNR havnt played in every arena in the world yet,  we should shut up and wait till they complete that mission, is absurd.

Correct me if Im wrong but I do not think all bands play in every city in the world before they can move on to a different chapter.

this thread sure went to hell in hand basket.  Jarmo, i thought you were suppose to be a MOD.. why continue this childish banter?  we get it... YG wants the CD and you take it personal if anyone questions the band... i think everyone needs to move on

I, for one, seriously don't think Axl is "all about the money" at this point in his career.

I'm pretty sure there's a lot of people who "respect" the band like Younggunner without the negativity.....

The silent majority.  : ok:





I live in a country that a lot of bands skip on their tours.

What concerns? I'm not concerned. I think that in this day and age, it's possible for bands to tour without albums out since album sales aren't what they used to be.



It all depends on where it's done.

Quite often we have something good going and then a few people feel the need to add a "I wish they'd do this instead".

It's like, you know they're gonna do this, but you just wanna focus on them not doing that.





/jarmo

Because it seems like they are doing everything but what the majority want

younggunner:

Aren't you tired of marvelling at your own hypocricy and short-sightedness?
After all the track history that you have, coming in this thread and trying hard to appear how well you wish the band and what kind of a hardcore you are is simply ridiculous.

If you have nothing better to do, why don't you instead go re-read that insightful masterpiece that your hero Slash wrote? You claim you support the new gn'r, yet over at the VR section you support even more the people who tried to destroy gn'r and who are majorly resposnible for the delay in new material and for the negative public image of certain people.

And no, spending a few hundred dollars does not make you a sincere hardcore fan, regardless of your financial situation. And I doubt this is necessarily the kind of fans Axl has to have respect for. After all, he is the last person on this planet who is motivated by or cares about money....unlike some other heros of yours, who would gladly sell you their unpersonalized signature for $40 and will tell you how much they appreciate your support.

I normally try to stay out of fight threads on things that have already been discussed a million times. But your confidence that everyone agrees with you but Jarmo, needs to get a reality check.

And there it is! Exactly what rock n' roll is about!  : ok:


Didn't we also establish that it's ok for GN'R to do what they want?



I think I know what you claim the majority is wanting, but could you put it in your own words. And maybe think a few seconds about possible reasons why it didn't happen before clicking Post?



/jarmo

You know, I'm starting to get a feeling there's some left over hostility from the whole "I wish they'd play Civil War on this tour, or change up the setlist a bit" argument from a couple years ago  :hihi:

And leather, Younggunner has been a new line up and Axl supporter since he got here. He was never a Slash/old line up fan. So you should check things out before you jump on someone. And that was before he spent any money on GNR.


We've also established there are consequences to that.

ask any gnr fan what they want from gnr...what would there answers be?
im sure they all want another show in africa or japan


Not really. Not in this context.
Actually, what would be really ballsy or "rnr" would be seeing Axl finance the promotion of this album by himself and or giving the money that they ivested in him back and saying fuk u to the label. and taking his show on the road. That would be ballsy.

i dont think the same set for 3 diff tours is ballsy or rnr sorry

My hero Slash? lol. Yes Im a closet Slash fan.... : ok:

Slash was great when he was in gnr. But aside from a few songs with VR hes not so great..actually pretty bad :yes:

As for the last part of that post. Yea its all Slash and Duffs fault CD is not out ::) and new gnrs image

did I ever claim that is the reason why im a hardcore fan?


 ???

Why didn't you answer my question?

Is it because it's easy for you to just repeat "release the album" over and over again when nobody ever asks you to think?






/jarmo

the majority wants a new gnr album. There are a lot of reasons why it hasnt happend yet.

again this is not rocket science.

Just because there are reasons why its not out, people are allowed to comment on the situation.

Jarmo, you need to relax!

And your being naive if you don't think that the majority of GNR fans want a new album?

And so what if someone posts that they want GNR to announce a release date instead of a new tour... that's their opinion.  Do we really have to hear from you everytime someone says they would like the CD?  This by no means, means that we don't like GNR.        

Talking of rocket science! Why don't you go to the moon? I want you to go to the moon!

I know the reasons why you can't/don't/won't, but I'll keep repeating it.

No, I won't. It makes no sense to me



When you know you can't have something and you still just keep repeating it, you come across as a little kid crying until he/she gets his/her wish......


It's not rocket science? What exactly do you know about the situation?




Nowhere did I claim the opposite.

But unlike Younggunner, many of us who'd love to hear the album, understand that it won't be out any quicker if we keep bitching about it year after year.


Maybe it's an age thing.....




/jarmo

Apparently you do claim it....

You've seen them 6 times when they came withing 20 miles of your house. Isn't that impressive?

When you travel the world on your own money to see them, or make life-changing sacrifices inspired by your love for the band, and show prove of that, maybe you will sound a little more convincing.

YG was actually one of those who used to scream New Line-Up support at the level of Jim Bob. To try and call him a closet Slash/Old band supporter is not accurate. Rather than vilify him for his current opinion of the situation, those hurling their hate and disgust at him should step back and ask themselves what it says that some of the people that were at one point willing to lay down in front of a bus for the new band are as discontented as they are.

Unlike Jarmo, many of us who'd love to hear the album, havnt had the oppurtunity to hang out with the band on a personal level and travel with them. So maybe we arent privy to certain info or are as content as you? Discussing the situation has nothing to do with getting the album out faster.
We are all in different boats.


maybe its a groupie thing?

maybe I can pick up the sounds of CD on my way to the moon?

Again, I never claimed any of that makes me a hardcore gnr fan. Jarmo was claiming that respect goes both ways...which is does...and I stated how I have "repected" this band over the yrs and will continue to do so.

I cant travel the world to see GNR because Im not rich! Nor do I have the time to do something like that at the present time. of course I would love to. Maybe we can go together?

I dont need to prove anything or convince anyone of anything. I have and always will support gnr, old and new. I love the new band. I love their music and imo there arent many bands out there that can match this band. But I also have to sometimes take a step back and say, whats going on here. Its not all rosey 100% of the time.

That he needs a break from GN'R?  ???



Once again you're making up stuff in your head that's far from reality.



Discussing? You repeating your mantra is not discussing.

You know there are reasons for everything but you refuse to acknowledge them.

This is your act:

I want the album out!
Well, it would already be out if...
LA LA LA LA LA I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU! I WANT THE ALBUM OUT! LA LA LA LA




I guess you know more about that lifestyle than I do if you make that kind of connection.


When you come to a certain age, you realize crying won't help......  Well, I don't know how it works for you in your groupie world.




Let's hope so.  : ok:





/jarmo

Wasn't Poland where they had that ticket scam before?  Somebody actually sold tickets to a GNR concert that wasn't scheduled.

That was Hungary (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=844).

And also Georgia (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=1362)....



/jarmo

:no:

Jarmo has Axl done anything wrong over the past 7 yrs? If so, what and why was it wrong?

I guess he screwed up your life to the point that you became a groupie huh? On the other hand, maybe that's what you always wanted....  ;)


I like how you always try to make it personal with the insults and hints at me being supportive because I met certain band members.

I guess it goes back to 2004 when I met Tommy.....


Insert Tiny Tim voice and ukulele: "Skipping through the questions...."



When will you admit that you are aware of the reality that the album not being out has reasons and that your constant wishing for it to be out is like a broken record?

One more simple question for you: What kind of satisfaction do you get out of repeating this week after week, month after month, year after year?




/jarmo

Dude, I want to see an album out and hear more new songs at the shows too. Just like you. But unlike you, I don't want that for myself or for other fans. I want it for the band members - they are the ones who deserve it and would benefit the most. It also makes sense that Axl wants that too, so he keeps his band happy and together......But since it hasn't happened just yet, I trust there are very very good reasons for the delay. So do most band members I hear...Maybe you should too if you are an unselfish sincere fan.

when I said "maybe its a groupie thing" I was referring to you and your mentality being of the groupie nature

Insults? I didnt insult you once in this thread. Then you bust out age, me whining, little kid mentality, etc etc etc.


If you cant handle it keep your smart ass comments to yourself.


I was thinking more 2006

hey I met Tommy too!

I am aware that the album has not been out because of numerous reasons.
My constant wishing for it must come across as a broken record.

None, just discussing GNR. This is a message board. Without discussion and speculation and the mystery that is known as GNR this board wouldnt be as popular as it is.

now that I have answered yours....you can answer mine

Has Axl done anything wrong in the past 10 yrs. If so, what and why was it wrong?

I have to agree with YG here. If GnR wants to do another tour without an album to support and, to top it all off, call it the Chinese Democracy World Tour Leg XY, then more power to them. But such a tour does not get them closer to what should be their ultimate goal, the release of music created by the musicians on stage.  The success these musicians deserve depends on that release. To assert that GnR's success is not tied to the album is ludicrous; I hope no one attempts to argue this point.  Axl will discover diminishing returns if he continues to circle the world without the album. The party simply cannot last forever and each time it happens, many fans are left wondering if the album is still so far away, the band needs to make money to stay solvent, relevant or together. Who knows.

So if Poland or South America get a tour but with no album in sight, I am content that there are some people in the world excited for the band. But as they will discover, this song has been played before in many corners of the world with many fans wondering: well, now what?

just to back up YG, I have been to many shows with the guy and he is as much a new band loyalist as anyone. To question his allegiance is really sickening. Sometimes it takes the brutal honesty from friends to deliver the message. I share his concern.

Hopefully this is just a rumor and better, more exciting plans are being hatched.

Right. No new tour without an album release date set has been booked!  : ok:

Can we calm down now?

Excellent points.

That's what I mean by respect.

I wouldn't be shocked if the band want it out more than Younggunner!




Maybe I need to start using the word "dude". It seems to be the key.....  ;)



Yeah, I know. But thanks for clarifying that you had to stoop to insults once again.

It's nice to see a man who can present his opinion in such an eloquent way.




Yeah, I'm making fun of myself.

I get told to grow up on many occasions you see....



It certainly didn't have any effect on you...



What will you do about it?




But you know it's not a discussion if you just keep repeating it especially when you know there are reasons behind it.....




No.

I can't think of anything right now.


You see, the easy Younggunner way would be to just list a bunch of things that are "wrong". Like a favorite among certain fans: "post more updates"....

But I just thought about it for a second and realized everything has a reason. I can see why there aren't more updates so it's not really something "wrong" anymore.







They haven't played a show since July 2007. The album didn't come out.

Why do you think it would be a problem?

It would be a problem if it wasn't recorded and done......






/jarmo

I am not sure if the 'album is turned in' tours are successful with other bands, but to push this project forward, the new guys really need an album out there to generate the respect and attention their careers deserve.  I fear for the band's future and the music's relevance the longer these delays persist. Tours or no tours, but to have a touring band in the back pages offers plenty of opportunity for music writers and fans to dwell in the sluggishness of CD.

I harbored the same fears in 06/07 when no announcement was made. 

As far as GNR touring again without a possible release of C.D. then I'm gonna throw out the EXACT same situation concerning one, Steve Miller. This guy hasn't had a new album out since 1993. Confirmation of him recording a new album circulated for quite a few years. There's still been absolutely no news about anything new from him, but yet he still fills venues with thousands of fans and tours pretty frequently. So how come it's not ok for GNR to do the same???

GnR once ruled the rock n roll world. If Axl's vision is to have a Steve Miller festival touring band, then he is free to do so. Expectations in the GnR community would have to be downgraded substantially.

I'm sorry, but saying you want the album out for the sake of rich rock stars instead of your own enyoyment is going too far up the GNR suck up tree.

Steve Miller and a BAND touring are 2 very different things. The new line up has been playing majority of other peoples music for damn near ten years! He still has to tour to establish them as a band, with the few of their songs they get to play in a night.

These tours are nothing different than the Styx and Journey nostalgia tours going on.

Actually those are good points. Ive also mentioned most of those along the way as well. Robin and Tommy in particular deserve their moment in the sun. They have worked extremely hard and put up with a lot over the yrs.

Jarmo, I, like everyone else here have patiently waited for the album...and will continue to do so. I do not dwell on this situation everyday of my life as you try to make it out to be. FOr some reason you have that idea. Thats fine. But like many of your assumptions, you are way off base with that one

tru, maybe I should use more "insert word here" and icons? You act as if you speak in "eloquent" terms. There are people on here who truly speak in eloquent terms. You and me arent in that category.

Well being it was only for like 5 min and he was a drunk....

Like I told you the last time we had this discussion...

I will sit back, support, discuss, and enjoy the ride

it only becomes more of a discussion when you add your 2 cents in it. If you dont agree with something you dont always have to tell us why its not right. Or what is really going on. You know you can take a step back and let others who have a diff opinion than you discuss it.

so why do you take it as an insult when I tell you no1 can argue with you becuase Axl has done no wrong in your eyes?

You have an answer/excuse for everything this band does.

Just like "I want the album out more than the actual band" you have more answers and excuses than the actual members of the band.

Its funny how you can tell me I act/sound like a child. Yet you are an adult who has a website of a band and declares that Axl ROse has not done one thing wrong over the past decade.

They are actually one in the same. Recall the situation of Buckethead: a new gunner who, according to tom zutaut, had doubts that the album would ever see the light of day and eventually jumped ship. I fear similar fates from other members if the music is not out there.  A nostalgia tour, as you succinctly put it, doesn't get us any closer to that goal. In fact, I believe it aggravates the wait because fans are left with a memories of a good show but no product in the store or on the radio to relive those experiences.

I would have to disagree with you there. The GNR tours are embracing past, present and future.

For those who like to insinuate that GN'R and Axl have a history of intentionally booking tours without a clear indication to put an album out during or at the end of a tour, let me break it down for you:

1. The first tour booked for the new band to play was in Europe in 2001. That was consequently cancelled. Whatever the real reason for the cancellation, Axl himself told us that the tour was booked without his concent or any consideration of the situation within the band at the time.

2. The second tour (or tours if wanna break it down in two) scheduled was in 2002. Yes, there was no indication to put the album out by the end of that year and Axl kinda indicated that at the MVAs. That was the ONLY instance of a tour without a clear attempt to promote and put an album out during the tour or at the end of it. But since it was the first tour of the new band, maybe it was normal for them to go out there and play and introduce themselves to the world first, even without an album in sight just yet. Why it was called the CD tour is a good question then, but maybe the name had to do more with the promoters and less with the band.

3. The 2006 tour/s. Clearly there was an honest intention to put the album out by the end of that year (even as early as Fall). If there was not that understanding (as stated in Axl's letter), Axl would not have agreed to the tour. Cerntainly not to the US one, which was booked at a time when it was already starting to become clear an album is impossible to release by the end of the year. But because Merck went ahead and booked shows left and right (some of which really not well thought thru), Axl prefered not to cancel a whole tour, but instead do it so at least the fans who bought tickets are not disappointed.

4. When the 2007 tour dates were booked the intention was still to release an album or at least a single before they went out. Unfortunately, things didn't go as planned and the album was not ready to be released (although it might have been done by then already) before the summer. So, what did you expect GN'R to do? Cancel the tour because the album release was delayed yet again? Of course, they'll go and play the shows regardless. Especially when they all sold out and so many fans were so excited and happy. I didn't hear one negative review from fans who went to the 2007 shows (save a couple from the first Mexican show where apparently some people expected a completely revamped setlist).


So, there has been just ONE tour booked without the clear intention of it backing up the album release during or a the end of it. Yet, some people make it sound like for GN'R booking tours without caring about the album release is normal business for them.

Have you ever wondered why GN'R have restrained from booking anything since last summer, including a much coveted NYE's gig? Do you honestly think it was because they (or Axl) weren't ready or didn't feel like it? No, it's because of "fan posts" like younggunners and the general media perception who demand an album with a next tour, and publicly make fun or feel sorry for GN'R otherwise.

The idea is to have all these issues settled before booking/ initiating the tour.

I am not sure I agree with your breakdown point for point.  If these tours were part of some promotional package for the new album, why did the band leave so much up in the air and so much room for the whole plan to break down? Clearly, work was still being done after the tour started. Not exactly the right way to go about an organized catch and release tour.

A few posts ago it was Slash and DUffs fault that there was no album and that the new gnr image was tarnished.

Now its my fault?

Will the next reason be the Malibu fires?

According to Jarmo, the album could never have been released prior to this yr because the album was never done from 2000-2006/7. So lets throw any idea of an album release during those times out the window.


I thought the 2002 tour was fine. It reintroduced the band and it allowed for the band to get out of the studio and gel as a band.

Axl had no intention of releasing Cd during this time. This is proven by his VMA interview. I think with the arrival of Bucket things picked up and they did more things in the studio.

This was 5-6 yrs ago! After the 02 tour Axl should have wrapped everything up and not done any touring until the album was out. But for whatever reason that didnt happen.

Dude! Most band members are not that well off. In fact, not at all. I know certain fans and members of this board who make more money than them. And in the current state of the music industry, no matter how great CD might turn out, I highly doubt band members will instantly become millionaires.

You too need a reality check and stop with the subtle insults.

jarmo has no clue if the album is done and either do we. he can quote others until the sun comes up, but his opinion on this , as well as all other issues, is just as good or bad as all of ours. but then again, he comes across as though he knows exactly what the deal is with the cd. i have no idea about the status of the cd other than it has not been handed in or released. all i care about is the cd's release. nothing else matters. jarmo just keeps on talking about excuses, delays, etc about the cd. I think we all know that! it's not out yet, so of course there are delays!

Why does GnR need to release an album to put on a kickass show for the fans?  I don't see how the two are related.  I've seen them 5 times and whether or not the album was out didn't ruin anything for me.   This is a kickass band and anytime I have a chance to see them, I will.   Album or not.   People put everything on this record and I think we all need to just chill on that idea and let it happen when it happens.   Something is obviously holding it up, and we don't know the details of whats going on, but if the possibility of seeing the band live comes?  GO SEE THEM!

Most of us did in 01/02/ 06, and 07.

Do you think the band can continue to exist in its present form without an album? is the point to tour or to produce albums and tour? The current lineup's very existence depends on the release of Chinese Democracy, not to mention its success or failure. Another tour without an announcement is worrisome, to say the least.

nah, you're taking the whole album thing too seriously.  any chance to see GnR is a good thing, album or not.

SERIOUSLY JARMO AND CO:

I DID NOT CLICK ON THIS TOPIC TO READ & PAGES OF BITCHING FROM YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU BETTER STOP OR THIS FORUM IS GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL. IT'S RIDICULOUS!!! YOU RUIN MANY THREADS A WEEK!

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Exactly.  I've said multiple times since 06 that I would choose a tour over CD.  The band is fucking amazing live, and it's an extremely unique experience to be at one of their concerts - I've never been able to recreate it. 

and i dont get how someone can claim to be a fan of these guys yet insist that they shouldn't tour unless they have an album.   fuck that!   GnR doesn't have to follow anyone's rules.. they put on a mind-blowing show and its an incredible experience and I wouldn't trade any of the shows I was at for an album.

so, any other sign on an announcement, tour?? anything.. or do we only have the two sources from CD.com?

("This thread better  go back on track.")

I couldn't agree more and even though this is just a rumour at present, the mere possibility that they might be touring in 08 is enough to dispel my Monday morning blues.  I didn't get to any of the shows in 07 and, after hearing the reports of those who attended the Japanese shows, I was kicking myself for not making the effort.  With or without an album, there's no way I'm making that mistake again!

Maybe you should think about what you're doing a bit more before throwing around insults?

Last time you didn't think before posting you ended up banned and were begging me to let you back in.

I won't make that mistake again.





You'd love that wouldn't you?

To have a discussion about nothing where you can present your "facts".


It's apparent to most here that your idea of a discussion is you repeating the same whiny shit that you've posted for years WITHOUT considering the possible reasons or offering ANY kind of solutions.

I've yet to see you offer any kind of solution to any of the issues in this thread.


I asked you what you were gonna do about the fact that you sound like a broken record and you basically said you were gonna keep doing it.



What? No, I don't care what you think.



Should I apologize because I don't get off on dwelling about things I know nothing about and because I know everything is done for a reason?

A mistake is something everybody makes at one point. But most of us don't do them on purpose.




Why is that funny?

It's an "adult" thing to just point out mistakes even when you know why they happened?

I guess to you it is. I mean, you're the one who keeps repeating the same shit WITHOUT taking any kind of possible reasons into account.

I'm sorry that I'm not like you and dwell on mistakes.


It's only impossible for people like you. Because you like to skip that second step in a discussion. Where the other side presents their opinion and answers to your post. You refuse to make any kind of note of that. It's pretty one sided.....

If you did, you wouldn't be here claiming "everything is like before" and stuff like that. And maybe you wouldn't have to turn to insults every time either.



Several others have managed to get thir points across in this thread without insults, but not you. For you it's always personal.

So think a bit about what you're doing, because the only thing this is gonna lead to is that, sooner or later, you'll be begging me to let you back in here and I won't make that mistake again.





As I said, one doesn't exclude the other.


But maybe you'd rather have them sit at home....





/jarmo

Wow...  is all I can think of to say.   :o

My thoughts exactly.
CD or not, it's worth to go and see the band whenever it's possible. The best live act I've ever seen. If I could handle it, I'd follow them whenever they're on  tour.  :yes: Lord, I wanna either  get a pay rise/be as rich as that Hilton girl/ get a grip on a wealthy man!  :hihi:
 Seriously, it may seem silly (to some people) to tour without an album, but I don't think I was ripped off when I paid for those tickets. I don't have any regret and I would still pay for tix even if CD is not released in 10 years' time.

Poland??? Seriously....Poland???

I don't know what's fuckin' going on!!!! They forgot Argentina, Brasil, Chile, They forgot one of the most exciting crowd that ever played in front to...

Is unfair...UNFAIR.

Like a proverb in my country: "God gives food to the toothless"

if they play the new album it will be really great.
if it's just the same playlist, i don't get the point to do a tour now.

There is a rumor about GNR playing here in Brazil sometime on 2nd half of the this year. :)

if i'm not wrong, it's gonna happen after chinese democracy's release. :hihi:

Hey Younggunner, I'll be nice to you.

I'm offering a simple solution to your problem with me responding to your repeated "discussions".

Take a break.

Just stop posting until things change. Ok?

I think it's a simple yet effective solution. You won't have to read my replies to your "discussions" and you certainly won't have to get yourself banned for insulting me again (because you make everything personal against me).

Since you keep going on and on about the same shit, and you know for a fact that I'll be there replying because I think you're just taking the easy way, take a break until you have something to add. Until things change to the point where you have something new to say.

Ask your friend what happens when you keep pushing the "you think you're in the band, you're not a spokesperson for the band, you're a groupie" thing too far.

Several people in this thread have managed to get their points across disagreeing with me, yet they don't seem to resort to insults like you and your friend. So the whole idea that I ban people who disagree that you two have come up with, is bullshit. Just like the idea that I think I'm a band spokesperson, that you two seem to repeat as well.

So, logout, take a break and we'll see you when you have something new to say.  : ok:





For fun? For the fans at the shows?

I'm not saying they will, I'm saying I don't see why it would suck if they did.

I just don't see it.


Think about it.

The album's done, they'd go play in South America (or somewhere else), release the album and play the rest of the planet. Why would that suck?  ???



/jarmo

If they did some new Euro shows with the same/similar setlist as last time, then I'd personally still go.  I can understand more casual fans that saw them in 2006/2007 staying away though, there wouldn't be so much incentive for them to attend.  I guess it's the law of diminishing returns from that perspective

That said, if I thought there would be significant differences between shows on the same tour, I'd be more inclined to attend multiple nights instead of just attending once  : ok:

Why the whining?
A tour is always awesome!!

The ony thing I want when going to see them again is that they put at least something 'new' into it, so you don't see the same show like the last time you saw them.
I'm talking about setlist... new songs (or old ones, but not played during another tour >> eg Civil War!) ....new special effects (if applicable).

Why do I want a setlist update: because otherwise it becomes to predictable and for me that's boring.... if you like that fine, I don't!  :peace:

I think the band is aware. They didn't play Europe, USA or Canada in 2007.





Some are already upset/worrying that GN'R might play "the same set list" in a far away country for fans who never saw them.




/jarmo

To be honest, I'd take "same setlist" tour over "no tour" every day of the week  :hihi:  I'm sure the camp aren't daft though, as you say playing other shores that they haven't visited would be a good call as their international appeal is significant.

I can't get my head around the opinion of those that would prefer nothing at all though ??? ??? ???

I want them to conquer the world again. Clearly, they will never accomplish this goal in the near term either sitting at home or on the road without an album to support.

If I was forced to choose between either of these two actions, I prefer sitting at the table with the entire meal in front of me to getting small bites over a long period of time. Of course, if Axl wants to raise money to buy the album from Universal, I would strongly suggest everyone buy twice the usual number of tickets.

where did you read i wrote it will sucks ? bon jovi sucks, velvet revolver sucks, sometimes this board sucks, but i never said guns n'roses sucks in any way  :hihi:

i just don't see a personal interest seeing the same show again even if there's always little changes, due to the price of the show places.
i used to listen appetite for almost 20 years now, i need some fresh blood. the album is done, so what is the problem to play new stuff we don't know yet ?
i just need excitment.

Me too.

I just don't see how a tour before the album is out would prevent it.

Especially if the tour was in a place where they haven't seen GN'R in years.


I assume the tour would be scheduled not to interfere with any promotional activities.




And if they're not playing in France?

Would it still bother you knowing that you wouldn't make it to that show even if the album was out.



/jarmo

Who said any gnr show without the album wasnt kick ass?

Because as Axl said in 2002 at the vmas, things will be taken one step at a time. It just seems like we are stuck on the same step for quite awhile.


I know your anxiously awaiting for me to mess up and insult someone. I wont. I rarely do.

Again, you are the one who starts with the insults. Your insinuations that Im a whiner and I act like a child, I dont think, along with your changing of the voices insert comments here etc, can all be considered insults. So if you want to come at me with smart ass comments I figure its fair game for me to throw some digs at you.
So if its not then dont "insult" me. I dont mind it you can insult me all you want...Im not insulted! But obiviously you are....I wonder why  :-X

Generally, there are no such things as facts in GNR world.

What I would really love is to be able to discuss certain things with people who are more open minded and realize that not everything is rosey every step of the way.

Not really. Actually I have "whined" only in the last yr/ yr n a half. Before that you never had a problem with what I said...or the "insults" I dished out to the "haters".....

No, I said I was going to continue doing what I have been doing for the past 7 yrs.....
sit back, support, discuss, and enjoy the crazy ride.

For you, what I say, may sound like a broken record....for others, it might actually make sense. We dont need you deciding that.
I cant offer any solutions because I do not know the full details of all the situations. Nor does any1 else here. Hence, speculation occurs....

speculation has been part of the gnr world since the original band. Why are you offended by it?

You do because last time we had a discussion I said there is no sense in arguing with someone who sees no wrong with GNR. You were offended/insulted.


I dont get off on dwelling on it either. But it is what it is. We all know the situation. Some choose to not say a word and some do. Theres no right or wrong on either side.

Why are we talking about mistakes?....according to you gnr have made no mistakes

So you want people not to dwell on the negative because bands make mistakes? or because gnr have made no mistakes? you cant have it both ways.


Jarmo, you are the one with the sarcastic remarks not me. You want to dish it out but then you cant take it. Again, you cant have it both ways.

not really. If I dont insult you or anyone here, you cant ban me...well I guess you could but then it will just show what type of person you really are...and what your real agenda is around here

All I do is state my opinion on certain topics. You choose to "present the facts" to me. Thats fine. But there are no rules here that say you cant state an opinion...Its obivious you want some sort of dispute with me so you can ban me or something.  

Yea, in a perfect world FOR ME, I wished they would have went on the 02 tour,and then "wrapped the baby up" and then release it sometime in 03/04 or even 05.
That way I would have not heard the new leaks and I would have enjoyed the album that much more....

I have always said since day 1, I rather have the album out first even before any kind of touring.

Again. if you cant take an insult then dont insult people. Is obivious you want me out of here.

I dont need to take a break. This is a message board and we are discussing our opinions on the state of gnr and what we hope/wish/dream what might happen or want to happen. I dont need you to set me straight with gnr facts. You are like the rest of us...you dont know any or much. So you are on the same level as everyone here in terms of discussing gnr.

if the discussion sounds like a broken record why would you blame me or any1 else? Maybe its because our fav band has been stuck for quite some time now? Maybe you should blame them? or blame the label? or blame whoever?

There are no forces physically preventing the band from touring. If Axl wants to go out again, raise some cash or awareness, then more power to him. But, and I am not going out on the limb here,  the perception is that a tour without an album in support is not only a redundancy but a sign that the release is not imminent. It is understandable that fans would be concerned, especially in lieu of 02/06/07.

Fans of South America deserve a tour, any tour. Most of the world has already experienced them, so it would be kinda right if they could see them next.

...after that GNR is very welcome to Finland again..  ;)

To be honest, I don't mind if they tour again without an album, I'm just happy to know they're rocking somewhere. It's just a funny, comforting feeling.

No probs with the band touring, if they want to play more power to 'em.

I think they've gotta pick their spots though, stay in parts of the world where they'll pack the venues and get a positive vibe.

KV isnt it funny how some people here claim that a GNR tour has nothing to do with the album? Yet the reason part of the last tour was cancelled was to finish up the album? I dont get it.

If the album is indeed finished and handed over I have no problem with them touring. They can tour all they want. But there is no official word on the status of CD so all we have is history. And hitsory tells us when GNr tour its to get out of the studio, make some money to help fund the band, and then when the tour ends...finish up the recording.

or are my facts wrong on that?

Holy shit....




You remind me of a kid crying to get things his way.

You know there are things that explain everything, you choose to ignore and go on "crying".

You on the other hand called me a groupie.




What the hell?




What I would love is for you to think.

I tried it once and you just made fun of the whole idea.


As I said multiple times, and you ignored it as many times, you're just repeating yourself with no intention of trying to change. Why?

You know you can't have the album, you still go on and on about wanting it.


Sorry if it reminds me of a kid who's crying for candy and is told time after time that he can't have any candy today.

That's how you come across.

Even kids might stop once they understand the reason for the "no candy".




No, I generally don't have problems with people who come to a GN'R site and support the band.

Is that childish?

Maybe it's being a groupie?





Who's we?

You're such a supporter... As leatherebel pointed out. You're clearly behind this band!


I'm free to decide whatever the fuck I feel like deciding. You on the other hand should remember that you're only a guest here and you're posting because I let you back after you were baned last time.





No, you don't even speculate!

You just want the album out. No buts or ifs.

If you did, you might actually stop the whole act and realize it's pointless to repeat the same line when you know for a fact that it's boring and theres a reason for everything.



How am I offended?

You are the one who never even bothers to try to see things or understand the problems.

I don't have a problem with you trying to understand why the album isn't out. Too bad you have.




Maybe I'm offended by stupidity.


You say there's no sense and you keep ding it.

I offered you a simple solution to yuor problem. You didn't liike it.





I didn't say that. I said everybody makes mistakes but most of us don't make them knowing that it's a mistake!

It's easy to "sit back, support and discuss" when you can point out mistakes without having to take any kind of facts/reasons into account.






What kind of person I really am? What would you know about it? Nothing! You and your friend are too busy thinking about what kind of person you think I am.

I'm possibly the most patient person you've come across.




That's what a fucking discussion is about. The thing you say you want to do.

What the fuck did you think t was?

The issue here is that EVERYBODY else seems to be able to take those facts in, process them, think about it and then make another response in the thread. Without trying to make it personal and without adding the insults.

You and your friend can't.

It's always "you think you speak for the band" or "you only think that because you met band members". Nobody else makes those remarks except the two of you.

Why is that?




Put it in your signature and don't post it.

Problem solved.  : ok:




Hello? You see insults that aren't even there.


Ask your friend how come he likes to point out to people that they weren't fans back in the day when he was one. Maybe he can tell you how you're not as big fan as he is since I bet you weren't rocking out to AFD in 1988.....





Again, you don't need me. You're here to discuss, but you don't need anybody to correct you when you're wrong.

I don't know what you're after. Maybe talking to a mirror would work better for you?

Everybody else is fine with the idea of getting replies in a discussion. Not you!




Making it personal again. The old "who do you think you are" routine.

How many times per day can you do this?


And who the fuck do you think you are?

As your friend should remind you, you weren't even around when AFD was the latest GN'R album!



The difference is that the album wasn't done in 2002 or 2006.





/jarmo

Albums will be out eventually. it's done. now the band better sit about at home?

I'm not reading those quibbles with the rumoured tour. why can't handfuls on the net mind their fin business?
even if they were from poland they just wouldn't make sense.


These days the band gives off overwhelming positive vibes on stage.

don't forget Bulgaria S africa and some Asian countries.  :yes:

The difference is negligible if there are problems at the label. Eddie Trunk expressed just such sentiment in his blog.



Eventually is not strong enough of a word to dispel my fears. Smile was released eventually. Rumors of problems at Universal worry me to the point where even the great news that the album has been turned has been tempered.

I don't think GNR can do anything for the problems the label faces.

was it like brain wilson couldn't release the album for long time after he finished it due to his label's problems?

Yeah. All I'm saying is, if everything is fine, I don't see the problem with a tour.




/jarmo

What dont you understand? In the land of GNr facts dont usually hold up. Or am I making that up?

no I dont. Where in this thread do I demand the album? I think everyone here wants the album. How am I different? Im sorry I rather them finish the album before touring. Im patient like that : ok:


If I described how your comments came across then you would label them as insults. So I wont go there. You win!


Of course you can. But the more you do that the more you lose credibility.

I was banned last time because I somehow insulted Vanessa...when I was really insulting JimBob.

This is a message board. Not the court of law. Its a court of public opinion. The sooner you realize that the better.

All I know about you is that when you try to play Sherlock Holmes you sound really bad. You keep suggesting that I am in cohoots with "my friend". And then you say we talk about what type of person you really are!!!.comical stuff

What I know is that yoiur a cool guy and I wouldnt mind hanging with you again at a show and talk gnr. But I also know that we have some differences of opinions on certain thngs in regards to gnr. You cant handle that, I can.

Stop asking me "what am I going to do now" and I wont have to keep repeating it : ok:


Stop playing Sherlock Holmes pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...you have no idea what you are talking about

:-X :-X :-X
If I commented on that statement we would have another dead horse thread

in your future responses can you please stop mentioning "my friend". Your way off base with your assumptions. And you sound really silly

Not talking about the band "giving" off positive vibes, talking about playing places they virtually know will be well attended in the size of venues they need to play to make fiscal sense.

Fuck that!!! I'm from Argentina...and I want Guns N' Roses back in MY country. Not only in Brazil.

i wonder how long this word-wrestling will continue. the more i read the more i'm enjoying it. is it so hard to agree to disagree?

Haha.

Oh man....

This is from somebody who refuses to acknowledge facts.






Thanks for worrying about my credibility. Maybe you should worry about yours, turn coat.....





The sooner you understand the concept of discussion the better!




I'm not playing anything.

Funny how you need to resort to the old insults again. Playing Sherlock Holmes?

I can read. I can see you two bringing up the same shit about me time after time. "Who do you think you are", "you're not speaking for the band" blah blah blah....







Oh really?

I could tell you one thing I can't handle, but wouldn't want you to feel insulted.....

Maybe you should look around. Do you see me having issues with someone like killingvector in this thread?




Yeah, asking you to do something productive is asking for too much.



 :'(




Nah, you'd just make yourself look ignorant for refusing to acknowledge FACTS.

Deja vu...



You're like a cute little tag team.....

"You don't speak for GN'R!"  :rofl:



I disagree with many people. But unlike Younggunner, they read my reply, think about it and ask a follow-up question or maybe even agree with what I said.

YG just refuses to look at the reasons/facts and keeps going on about how he wishes the album would be out before a tour.

His wish wasn't granted in 2002, 2006 or 2007.....



/jarmo

Great battle ??? well it would be a great idea to see again GNR playing Europe, at least we can see more new songs...

Calm down first.

If they really come back to Brasil, there is a STRONG possibility to have it also on Argentina and Chile. I think it would be implied that on my post, but anyways... If this rumor is true, I think you'll also have good news for YOUR country.

it doesn't make too much of a difference i think: touring shortly before or after cd is released. either way is fine. the important thing is, that this time they would have an album to support that is about to come out (or has just come out). great marketing for cd, a cool video for the first single and hitting the road is the package that i'm hoping for. as long as all of this takes place in 2008, it's fine with me.

I just don't see the problem.

Imagine this:

The record is done, ready for release, the band plays a few shows, the album comes out, the band promotes it, starts a new tour.....

It seems like some people want this:

The record is done, ready for release, the band plays a few shows, the album comes out, the band promotes it, starts a new tour.....

But nowhere does it say that the release will happen faster when you remove that part of the equation.





/jarmo

I'm sure that the band will play some different songs down the road not only from future albums but from past material too. For example I think it was Dizzy who was talking about maybe playing Civil War.

But I'd personally rather have a great show than the band sloppily throwing together songs just to please the whiny babies. As much as I loved the Hammerstein shows, the band has been sharpening their skills on the "basic setlist" for sometime. Listen to the Hammerstein show then listen to the Budokan show. Axl's voice is razor sharp, Robin's chops are full of emotion, and Frank is banging the skins like a 5th grader discovering porn. Not to mention the other member's performances.

Some of the old lineup performances were awesome and raw, but some of them were pretty crappy. So... quit demanding things out of the band. Notice how complaining dies down and we get an awesome Don't Cry performance? That was cool because people let the band do their thing and were genuinely surprised by it. When you try to control something out of your control you are inevitably angry and jaded all the time.

So don't cry you whiny little monkeys.

Good news!.

I would like that Axl never forget his experience in Buenos Aires. I hope to see his band again.

You think we got a treat because there wasn't as much whining on message boards ?!?!  What a silly monkey YOU are ! ! !   :rofl:

i don't see a problem either. playing some shows in e.g. brasil or other places where gnr haven't played for quite a while is totally ok. if they did manage to arrange that now, they would play there, like in the summer or late spring; then the release is not too far away (if the plan is to release it in 2008). then kick off a new tour with more material from cd. sounds nice to me.

Nope, I think we got it because the band wanted to play it. The two were/are unrelated. It's pointing out that once people let their hair down, people were enjoying things. They didn't expect it.

If people are constantly complaining, when the band does play something they want they'll say "finally.....about time.....now they need to play this".

Also remember that they played 4 months before Illusions were on shelves. It's not the end of the world if they announce a tour (or few shows) without a release date for Chinese Democracy. They don't even need to be touring in US when the record comes out... It's very likely, yes, but not an absolute necessarity.

God damn this happen to almost every exciting threads. Discussing pointless thing again and again. The last 6 pages have been about the same shit.  >:(

If a tour starts without a release date confirmed, they are not going to play more new songs, they will play the same new songs we know (it is an opinion). Perhaps they will play some old song like it was nice boys.

At this time, i dont think GNR would start a tour whithout a release date confirmed. Except they play in south america.

Just remember that for every one of these unhappy supporters, there are people who are excited about the news.

Replace the subject to day "GNR to play in Mexico, Australia, New Zealand and Japan" and you'd get the same responses.

As you said, same shit, different thread.





/jarmo

never from the people in the countries in question. no one from Poland is complaining.
wonder why.  ;D

Im all for that . I hope that it ends up like that. So we actually agree on something!

Like I have said time and time again..Im for any tour that supports the release of CD

That's awesome.



I bet all tours so far since 2001 have, more or less, done so. Not in the way you think I guess.....

If nothing else, it gives the band a chance to get to play together in front of people. That must only be a good thing for any band right?





/jarmo

Regardless of what anyone says this is clearly great news.

Well, not really....if the album wasnt done from 2000-2006(like you claim) then those tours couldnt have been in support of the album release correct?

Details, details. This will all be forgotten when the album comes out.

They could have been in support of the album's forthcoming release.

agreed!

I am ecited for Axl and company < i got to see them live a few years back , ass kicking shit....so i guess things are getting ready to heat up .....whats with the febuary 17 th date ....any signifgance ?

Which is exactly why I pointed out that you probably didn't mean it that way.

 :)




What?  ???

Is this from the guy who said there'd be a GN'R commercial during the Super Bowl?





/jarmo

Every time one of these threads pop up I say the same thing: I will go see GNR on whatever tour, in whatever venue, playing whatever setlist.

They are my favorite band (let me save you the reply; by "they" I mean GUNS N' ROSES-Axl, Ron, Robin, Frank, Dizzy, Chris, Richard & Tommy) and they've always put on an amazing show.

If there are dates coming anywhere near me... I'll be there.

I think this would be an ideal scenario as opposed to playing 10-20 shows then heading back onto hiatus.


Since everyone here is ignorant of the band's plans or capabilities, the fog of release creates an atmosphere of concern. Another tour without news of CD's imminent release creates a lot of fog.

What?  ???

Is this from the guy who said there'd be a GN'R commercial during the Super Bowl?





/jarmo
[/quote]


I am trying to keep all this in perspective.



whats true...whats not....whats rumors......whats not

The crowds won't forget the great time they had.
But for those tours I wouldn't have happened on the album title song from the RIR boots. I wouldn't know about this band. I wouldn't be here.
we wouldn't know of BH.

I dont know if its the same person, but there are a couple of "sources" on varius forums, claming something will be announced by the 17th. Dont make anything of it. There have been "insiders" before..

As I said before. GNR was confirmed for RIR in Lisboa 06 around the same time 2 years ago. So maybe its why people think something will happen. But its about time that we hear something from Axl again...

Apparently these "insiders" don't like the check their calenders.  The 17th is a Sunday, and I've rarely seen any major announcements made on a weekend.  I wouldn't get your hopes up.

Cheers,

Andrew

I heard it like it was around the 17th, not particually that day...

Secondly it wasnt "announced" as a major announcement, but just an update...

We will know soon enough.

Honestly. Do people think that just making up random dates will sort of "will" something to happen?

I don't think they are going to sit around all summer.  I think they will tour some where and we'll hear something.  And believe it or not I'm waiting patiently, I'll freak in April if we haven't heard anything.

You're a freak now  :P  Jus' kiddin'  ;)  I hope they get out too, they always look like they are really enjoying themselves, especially Frank and Ron!

Subtle insults? What insults? If you really are of the mindset to put all interest in life below the interest of the band, then there is no helping you. They are successful adults. That's what I was saying. If they're poor then something isn't right with this picture. You are a fan, not a mommy, a nanny, or a member of the band.  They make their beds, they lie in it. Their interest is what's important to them, the same should be said of the fans. I want the band to succeed. I want them to be healthy and happy.  But that's where it ends. Anything else crosses into something else.

I don't put up rules or criteria that the band has to follow. I love the band, can't "wait" to hear the new album. If it doesn't come out, fine. But if he expects fans not to be aggravated and voice displeasure for an album he's been touting for ten years, then he's kidding himself, and so is everyone else...

I do not subscribe to the belief that a fan is someone that lets Axl Rose shit on them, then turns around and eats it and tells him how good it taste.

I do not subscribe to the belief that a supporter of Axl would post what you just have.

You're exactly right. I'm a supporter of Guns N' Roses.

Oh, right.  ???

Is it possible for someone here to confirm if Axl is in Guns N' Roses?

Judging by things here, I think the 2 are two very seperate things.

I love Axl, I just don't Love Axl...

You seem a little confused.

There are Axl fans... Fans of Axl.

There are GNR fans... Fans of the entire BAND.

Wow, explaining that just shows how confusing my post really were. Sorry about that.

They've alot of sitting for alot of summers. Don't get me wrong, I'm really hoping for everything to move along too, but I'm not getting my hopes up because of "insider" information.

But doesn't being a fan of GN'R, the entire band, also then encompass being a fan of Axl Rose?

Ali

depend their are some band tha tI am not a fan of certain member. Metallica is a band i am a fan of and I am not a Lars fan.

I have to say that seems strange to me.  You have to be a fan of Lars Ulrich in some capacity, at least as a drummer/musician, in order to be fan of Metallica because he is such an integral part of Metallica.  Axl Rose was and is such a huge part of Guns N' Roses, because of his stage presence, the unique sound of his voice, and his songwriting.  To not appreciate those things means not appreciating all that has and continues to make Guns N' Roses so great.

Ali

i thought the plan was to tour when the album droped? or was that a rumor too?


:peace:

well at this point in time,

Me like alot of people would rather gnr not tour just for a few months, if it means they can concentrate all their efforts in releasing
chinese democracy.

I mean
Its actually Better for the band to tour under a new album..
I mean, the album is promotion itself for the tour, and judging by how alot of shows ecspecially in america in 06 werent even nearly sold out,
which means their obviously not spending enough money on marketing/promotion, or the big obvious, they havnet dropped cd

I mean, from a business point its dumb as a brick to tour without a new album,
but once again, gnr does decide to do things their way, which might be why we have no album...

I mean, I just hope this isnt like 06, 07, 2 years imo that were wasted opportunities to release the album,
how would everyone feel if we dont get the album this year, and all we get is a few short tours?
can we all say GROUND HOG DAY

I agree. I can't stand to see Vince Neil's face let alone hear what he has to say about anything, but I love Motley Crue, and IMO to love them means that I have to at least respect him as an artist. I absolutely love his voice.
Simplified: I hate the man but I love the voice. Weird huh?  ;D

As I'm sure the band want the album out even more than we do, I think it'd be nice for the fans to give them a little credit and acknowledge that they're hardly likely to do anything that'd cause an unintentional delay at this stage.  That said and bearing in mind all the various mobile communication tools available today, I can't see that being on tour would put a spanner in the works anyway, given that the recording is completed.


Oh come on, you've got to give him some credit on this one; Axl isn't some wet behind the ears newcomer to the music business and although I don't believe money to be his main motivational force, he's got a living to earn as we all have.  Fair enough, the profit may not be as large as it would be if an album was out but have you considered the fact that maybe there were additional reasons, besides purely financial ones, behind his decision to tour?  I'm not claiming to have any special knowledge but I can think of several other factors that could well have had some bearing on his decision.

And, guess what, regardless of whether you or I consider it a sound decision,

a) it's not our money that's being spent, and

b) it's really none of our business how he conducts his financial affairs or lives his life.


I don't agree with your 'wasted opportunities' comment because the album wasn't ready for release then - and for all I know, there may still be business stuff to sort out now.

How would I feel if I don't get the album this year but do get some live shows?  I'd be delighted that I get to see my favourite band play live again and happy to wait until all the creases are ironed out before I get to hold the album in my hands.

Fair enough, But if the album wasnt ready to come out in 06 then why did axl keep confirming that it was going to come out that year,
anyways  thats in the past now, and Ill be glad if they tour this year,
but all im saying is,
Each year should be better then the last, and to me, 06 was better then 07, so I hope it only goes up from there  :beer:

Maybe he thought it was coming that year and that?s why he said it. I mean, he is not stupid and he knows this kind of things produce a backlash so, I don?t think he just said it to make us happy and give us false hopes but because he was sure it was going to be that year. And maybe things didn?t go as they were planned and it all fucked up for whatever reason.

By the way, good post Cyllan : ok:

because he thought it was. things don't always go according to plan. read axl letter.

07 was even better than 06. the band ripened each show. the new songs sounds stronger.
they completed the album. and we got the baz album with 3 songs featuring axl

Yeah... I agree... 2006 and 2007 were great years comparing to those before... now we can just wonder... what will 2008 bring us? More touring? An album? More changing in the bandmembers? New release dates? Any press conference? Who knows! Let?s just wait and see.  ;)

So what is it?

Tour in 2008 or not?

Only Axl and a few other people know.

As someone who has been a fan of GNR since the very beginning, I would love to see a constant never ending tour, regardless of the setlist. (Axl, I would pay to hear you sing the alphabet, no joke. ;) )I have listened to the "old" songs every day since I was 13, and they are such a huge part of my life that hearing them live is more amazing than you can imagine...it brings me back to a time and a feeling that you can't understand unless you lived it.  So CD or no CD, I will continue to buy tickets to hear the songs of my youth until the day I'm dead...quite honestly, I would be severly disappointed if any GNR show didn't give me Axl and the snake dance of WTTJ!

Well said, I can relate to those feelings, I lived it also, a little older than you, but I was on the same boat.  By the way Welcome to the board!!!

Thanks MsAxl...I'm a frequent reader, infrequent poster

What was that?


 :peace:

It's called bullshit.




/jarmo

apparently the rest are also bs and they are not planning to tour at the moment, nay? :P

According to Mysteron there?s no tour planned. He said it in Mygnr.

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 QUOTE (banaszkiewicz @ Feb 13 2008, 03:57 PM)
plans on a tour? yes or no?!


no 

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=109005&st=105

So I guess...end of story. :-X

Lol...oh really? What makes you think that? The fact that we've been told that?

Kinda sucks if they're not gonna tour right now . .  Guess it would make sense though to know when the release might be and schedule around that.

sebastian just gave out an interview and said he was goin to tour the whole summer starting from july...i guess it could be with gnr.

Its was something like.... He's touring with a 'big huge band' he's not allowed to talk about in July?

i dunno, i didn't get to hear the interview cuz i'm at work. it's up on metal-sludge.

everyone in there either assumes it's Gn'R or Priest. but most likely Gn'r.

he's gonna be in sweden in early june..

Let's hope it's Guns...

Mysteron said that there aren't tour plans, then let's trust him. :)

Is it possible that Axl would make plans without including this "Mysteron"?  I bet it is!

When did he say that? I mean, things could have changed since that.

What Mysteron said was fairly recent, however as much as I listen to the guy,  he doesn't know it all and if we're reading too far into it I'm sure that somebody will let us know.

Or they won't and we'll find out in July!   :yes:

We'll find out one way or another.
That's if there is anything to find out about..

I'm going to be a bit selfish here and say, while I hope they might hold off tour plans until there is a definite plan on the release of the album - If they were to announce another Australian tour I would be ecstatic though.