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I am beginning to wonder if we are going to see any dates starting in february like we had heard. It's been too long since i've seen them. With no dates announced it may be a late spring/summer tour instead.  :crying: Going through live GNR withdrawal!

I am needing a live show as well.  If I had to guess, we won't be seeing any US shows in February

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It's not too late to announce.  I am sure we will hear one way or the other in coming weeks.

Who said february???

DJ?

DJ said February indeed, but Frank during Europe Tour said Fall '10  ???

i heard that now the us tour wont start until march/april

where ya hear that?

Seems like everyone has their own source these days.  ::)

I love these posts.  Reminds me of the good old days.

Dam I just want to go see them so bad!!!!!!



Joe

Reminds me of the period before the 2006 US dates were announced...calm before the storm of GNR trekking across the USA!

And often they just drop the post and then vanish without backing up their claim.

Just common sense that if we don't hear something soon, the dates will be a bit further back.

I have little doubt there'll be some shows (hopefully lots) in 2011.

Promoters are talking about cheaper tix to draw bigger crowds in!! I'd be willing to pay extra for a premium package..Whether that includes meet N' greet, merchandise I don't care I DESERVE GREAT SEATS!!!!!!!

i heard it from my friend who saw it on twitter

For guns this would be a plus...
it could help them sell out a few more places!

I need to hit several shows this time around.  I regret not seeing more in 2002 and 2006

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I regretted it too thats why i went all the way to Canada & the UK to see them 6 times in 2010- wasnt taking any chances on them not coming to the US & never seeing them again- worth every penny!  : ok:

It's time to see a new video on the channels

I agree
I new single or video might set the stage for some US tour interest from ticket buyers
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GnR isn't stupid... I'm sure they know how to set up a U.S. Tour.  Video or no video, I will be buying tix as soon as they go on sale.

When Sebastian Bach was announced as Canadian Tour opening act, he released a promo video for one of the canadian dates, but he certainly released the wrong one, because the video was promoting a US date on mid 2009  :P

yeah for like july 10 in arizona

They need to come back to Canada  :peace:

I don't think this tour is gonna happen.

I think it will, DJ seemed pretty confident about it, why would he make that up?  Also, what kind of world tour doesn't hit America?  You know, the country the whole band is from, and currently reside in. :hihi:  Common sense tells me they will be playing shows here at some point.

Frank said on an interview the Tour would start on Fall 2009. And it didn't...
So if DJ was wrong, wouldn't be the first time a band member gives wrong information about US tour.

I don't think Dj made it up, I think plans changed again.

I'm sick of YouTube videos - I want to hear Axl's voice in person.  :drool:

Exactly.

I'll take what I can get, but it would be cool to see them play smaller venues here in the U.S.
The stadium show I caught was great, but he Hammerstein show in NY was amazing.

yeah thats what im saying, he didnt make it up, the tour is going to happen.  Maybe not in February, but the tour is going to happen.  My response was to someone saying the tour wont happen at all.

The US tour is gonna happen. It would e stupid of them not to concidering the money that could be made.


Joe

it will happen its just a matter of when at this point

I agree, I think it's common sense to think that GN'R will be concentrating on the US for a while now. I think the band are having a well deserved break at the moment, and maybe we will start to hear US dates in a couple of weeks.

Some how I think it will be a bit longer than weeks but they rocked the world we want to see them completely ready.

Since it will be my first time seeing GNR live I would rather wait so they would really fuckin blow my mind!!!



Joe

I don't really see any dates coming anytime soon but that just doesn't mean there isn't plenty of background work starting. Most likely there are lots of people on holidays after this tour has now ended but I'd imagine they'll get their heads around a US tour soon enough.

You know it's those other people who actually does the organising and then the band just arrives on stage 8)

I have a question.. after the whole Azoff Ticketmaster/live nation thing.. how are they gonna be able to tour, considering 99% of the tickets are bought online in the US?

I have a 2nd question, is there any alternatives to livenation/ticketmaster in the US?


DISCLAIMER: These questions are intended to be just questions please

They made it work throughout europe
so they can do it in the states as well.
tickets are going down to lower prices so it won't be that hard

my point is, im guessing Europe was already planned way before the US, so whether they liked it or not, they had to maintain the agreement!

I dont think the US tour was set up at that time. So will they be able to reach an agreement? thats the question.

Also in Europe were not so ticketmaster/livenation dependants... we have other companies selling the tickets, we have stores, post offices etc selling the tickets... i mean... i went to several shows already including GNR, and NEVER EVER i bought a ticket through ticketmaster...

It seems its a bit different in the US and thats why im asking, if there's any alternatives to ticketmaster/livenation?

Not that I know of.  I could be wrong, but I've never bought a ticket that didn't come from the TM/LN conglomerate.  I would agree, that could make things a little difficult.

Exactly, and a little is being nice, if they dont get a deal done, they wont be able to tour. I hope that's not whats happening due to the lawsuit! It probably is though... so im not expecting a tour at this time.

It would be a perfect timing for an album though...

well gnr throughout europe again or Asia/australia,South america, Canada isn't a  bad idea...
Us didn't care for gnr last times they were there (Not the fans though they love gnr) just the press over there is damn irritating!

Not that i know how these things work and i don`t really know how to say it, but i would think if a company as big as ticketmaster were seen to be interfering with any band not just Guns n Roses touring then they would surely be acting illegally. When Azoff bought into ticketmaster there was talk of monopolising the music industry and only promoting bands he had something to do with if that's the case not only does he leave himself open to being sued but also legally it could bring the company down or a vote of misconduct from shareholders.
I think there will be a tour but it might just be festivals i have a feeling they want to or they already have been working on some new stuff  the momentum needs to keep going  : ok: (just my own opinion :peace: )

I don't think Ticketmaster is the problem. Here in Brazil the tickets were sold by Ticketmaster.

I understand Manets, but that was then... the South American, Asia, Europe tour was already set up! In 2009/2010 im guessing.

The problem is the US tour doesn't seem to be set up.. and thats where the problem starts. Once a tour is set up, both parties have to respect the contract and go ahead with it, which is what happened.

If the tour isnt set up... thats another story... If the US tour isnt set up already... its gonna be really dificult for GNR to set it up through Ticketmaster, considering both parties are in a lawsuit right now.

Azoff can just refuse to have any business with Axl or GNR if he wants to.. its his company.

Which leads me with a bad feeling about the US tour nothing happening at all. Hopefuly im wrong!

for some reason,  I too think it is odd how long this tour has lasted with zero US dates.  I am not sure the exact reason, however, GNR appears to sell more tix and do much better financially when they tour just about anywhere but the USA
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That would be a bad move on Azofff's part, would play into the Gn'R lawyers hands by underlining how "he" wants to "control" the band and their business, legit or otherwise. There would also be  restraint of trade issues with a monopoly commission type bodies. My guess would be that they just want to get the details nailed down before issuing dates they can play, rather than scheduals that other would like them to play... : ok:

Good point Wight Gunner!  : ok: My question to you is this though, what if Axl is refusing to do business with Azoff now? that could also be the issue, we dont know, after all the damage Azoff tried to do to Axl, i think its a legitimate thought.

Also what if the whole lawsuit is holding up everything?

The Brazilian tour wasn't settled before the end of 2009, which was after Azoff and the band broke up. I don't think there was a contract agreement for this leg - why would Axl claim in the lawsuit that Azoff had gone leaving the tour a mess to deal with?

Well, there was ONE US date at Sturgis. :)

That's subjective and wouldn't be an issue IMO, the band do business with organisations not personalities with booking venues and organising ticket distribution, the individuals concerned are more about representing the act/artist and maybe to act on their behalf, the bands current management (ie the Azoff replacement(s)) would deal with this I'd of thought...

Yes and no.

First off, it's not Azoff's company.  The company belongs to the stockholders...and before you poo poo that distinction, it's an important one.

Azoff is the head/CEO of TM, yes, and it's theoretically possible that he could "blackball" GnR/Axl from TM venues (which is most of them)....BUT TM has had serious issues with the Justice Department regarding monopolistic practices, specifically in regards to EXACTLY this type of scenario. There were also some pretty serious conditions to the TM/Live Nation merger (http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/26/business/la-fi-ct-ticketmaster26-2010jan26).  It would be AWFUL hard for Azoff to end around GnR, provided they found a promoter willing to do the tour....because if he did, and the JD took notice, he'd put the whole company under the microscope again, incur (potentially) millions in legal fees, and potentially cause the entire company to get broken up into pieces.  That wouldn't exactly endear him to his stockholders, or the Live Nation Entertainment parent company execs. 

He CAN make it somewhat difficult....but again, he he'd have to be VERY careful.  Honestly, he's less "dangerous" as the head of TM than he would have been had he simply stayed the head of his enormous management company.

The question is, though, does GnR want to do business with Azoff.  If the answer is "No", then it's going to be very difficult (but not completely impossible) for them to do a US tour.  Their selection of venues is going to be sparse. AEG would be the best bet..they own about 100 venues (including Staples Center) and are supposed to be (as part of the justice department conditions for merger) able to use TM's software to sell their own tickets.

And remember, Azoff is only the CEO of Ticketmaster...NOT Livenation or Live Nation Entertainment (the parent company of both).

Everyone, including Axl and the rest of the band, know that Azoff is at the top of TM.

It's not hard to imagine a scenario where they simply don't want to do business with any entity he's involved with, especially considering the way they parted company.  Yes, TM is a monolithic corporate entity and nobody would be dealing with Azoff, directly (at least, not likely).  But still....we know Axl is pretty "stubborn" when it comes to sticking to what he sees as a principal.  This may be one of those times (or it may not).

I don't know if that's the case...but I actually think it's MORE likely that GnR would balk at dealing with TM than it is that Azoff would risk his career, the principal parts of the company that he's currently working for, and his reputation just to spite GnR.  He has bigger fish to fry, IMHO....certainly more productive ones.

I surrender to your well elaborated answer Pilferk, nice job : ok:

I do think though that the problem of Gnr not wanting to do business with Azoff is more close to reality then the opposite, after all Azoff wants to make money, but still i believe that its gonna be very dificult for them to tour the US without ticketmaster!

LiveNation does a lot of ampitheaters maybe they are doing a summer tour and im pretty sure LiveNation did the Canada tour last year so they sold GN'R tickets recently

I speak fluent "corporate" (unfortunately, IMHO). Professional job hazard, I guess. 

haha yeah  :hihi:

would love it to be in july, im gonna be in la and vegas, so shows there would suit me.

I think GN'R should do a club tour.

3 if you cant the Acoustic concerts at John Varvatos and Rose Bar.

Pilferk, very nice work explaining the business/legal aspect of Ticketmaster! : ok: As someone works for a financial news company, I can definitely appreciate that.

Maybe I was abit premature saying that I expect to hear US dates in a matter of weeks. But come on guys, you US citizens have nothing to worry about, you know this is going to be your year.

Just wait and enjoy the build up.  : ok:

ok, but as long as ur right... :drool: :drool: :drool:

We just need to relax. Gn'R will tour when they want to tour. They just did a full year of shows, there is bound to be some down time. I'm not expecting any US Tour before the summer, but when they do tour. I hope they do more shows at places like Hammerstein, and at least 1 Atlantic City Show  :peace:

I hope they play Vegas when they do decide to tour.  I'm gonna fly down if it happens.

Amen to that. I plan on seeing as many US stops as possible, but I really think I'm going to make Vegas one of them no matter what.

I wouldn't mind if it was a fall tour like the 06 US dates were, just as long as it happens. I'll be sad if five years pass since the last time I saw GNR live. :(

I want to see them play LA this year!

Oh Hell Yeah!!! And it would just be awesome to have a SUMMERish US tour. Outdoors. I think the last two I've been stuck with Novemberish winter time area shows. Boo. I'm not complaining (well kinda). I'll  take any kind of show over nothing, I just want to see Guns play somewheres awesome like The Gorge or Red Rocks. That would kick my ass.

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I cant go to Usa ...but would be cool a tour this year.I need GNR! ......yeah i know they need rest!.


And if they play Civil war or estranged that would be awesome.

really want it to happen when im there in july

He just said they were planning a tour - did not say a USA tour.    :-\

But people asked about US tour, it seems.

yeah, maybe I looked a little too deep into his comment - but still, what's written is what is written.

only time will tell! : ok:

SOON is the word. :hihi:

Well what he wrote is that they had plans, that to me means they want to tour, hope the rest of the cards fall into place for them to tour some more in 2011.

Sometimes it seems that just DJ has plans and he might be talking a bit about things he's not really supposed to say at least yet.

But surely that enthusiasm is all good, there will be so much energy whenever he finally gets on the stage :beer:

Even still being a little new boy (or is he not anymore after a great tour), I'd imagine he has some influence on the frontman or he wouldn't be in the band. Soon etc.

Ron confirmed in his interview that the band was supposed to be on tour by February, but that didn't happen for some reason. I don't think DJ was talking out of his ass, but he may was too optimistic about it before everything was set in stone.

I still think there's plenty of time to get them on the road for a US tour. Just wait a bit more. :)

DJ said that they are planning a tour this year, but it wont be in feb... They both confirmed that feb was the original plan tho...

Don't worry guys, there's always Motley Crue.... they're releasing a record and touring 2011.

yay, no worries then^^ love their shows, it's like a rehersal and the audience are singing Vince lines

Maybe you mistook this for another fan site? I mean, maybe you mistook us for those people who give a shit about what other bands are doing?

Don't try that shit again.



/jarmo

Gotta agree with ya jarmo if they want to talk about a different band there is a thread for that.

I am still waiting for the official word because they could just push it back but I doubt that's what's gonna happen but only need a bit more time.

This is a fan site! Im sorry if i tried to get people's mind a little off their crazy obsession for Guns though. People need to relax and concentrate on other things other than GNR... thats all im saying.   :confused: anyways no pun intended Jarmoooo!

I'm sure people can do that without you trying to promote your favorite bands that aren't GN'R in the GN'R section.  : ok:




/jarmo

I have a good feeling for 2011 :)

Philly Need Shows

Gonna be so pumped up when they come to Chicago it would be so sick to see them at the First Widwest Ampa Theiter but I bet they will go to the House of Blues.

No close to home show for me lol



Joe

I doubt both places you mentioned.

Probably the same places as last time - AllState Arena in Rosemont, IL.

Just my guess in your area.

First Midwest sux the big one.

Yep it is. Gonna be so fucked up!!! Hope we get to hear Nightrain then  :beer:

MADISON & STAPLES CENTER

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Funny you would say Madison. Why?

I bet he means Madison Square Garden.

Looks like he's just listing venues he knows in the USA....




/jarmo

IZOD & PEPSI CENTER

 :peace:

i'm really hoping this thing comes together. promoters have to understand there is demand for this.

my dad turns 68 this year and is really hoping to see gnr. he had back surgery a year ago. for a couple years prior, he wasn't able to stand for long periods of time so couldn't go to concerts (at least no concerts that required lots of standing). so he knew if gnr toured he wouldn't be able to go (he had to skip the shows in 2006). but once he was fully healed, he said he was looking forward to being able to take long walks, AND going to a GnR show. he's a big rock fan and loves Elvis, the stones, and bruce and has seen all of them several times. but he took me to see gnr in '88 and '91 and has always said that Axl puts on the greatest live show he's ever seen.

so anyway, i'm dying for a tour!! or even a leg of a tour that hits the NE area. or even one show!!  :hihi: ideally in philly, but anywhere in the NE and we are there. 
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I've said this before but I would love it if GNR did something in the States that was small, like a theater tour. It would create so much positive buzz.

that would be killer!  : ok: dream come true really.

i have at least 8 friends that will go see them if they tour. and these are not die-hard fans that check message boards and stuff. just fans that enjoy all of GnR's music and are dying for what they know is a first class EVENT. an old-school kick ass hard rock show with lots of energy.

is there a Facebook campaign we get going or something? A "we need a U.S. tour" petition or something??? i mean if there's anything we can do to let promoters and whoever else know that there is demand for this, we should do it.

Your dads got some great taste in music! Man I was born in the wrong era, to be able to see Elvis, Stones, Boss and Guns sounds pretty amazing. I've been lucky enough to see all but Elvis, but none in their prime.

I would love to see Guns scale back to smaller venues here in the states. The Garden isn't what it used to be for concerts here in Boston. When they came to Mass in '07 they cancelled the night before in Maine, so they honored two shows worth of tickets and still there were empty seats all over the place, so they may not have an option anyway. A lot of big names have been playing smaller venues of late, and it makes for such a better show in my opinion. Would like to see them keep the pyro though.

I hope this US tour gets rolling soon, for GN'Rs own sake if not for the fans.

I love thinking about all of the places GN'R might play on this tour like NY, LA, maybe Vegas. Should be a good year for the US fans.  :)

lol I guess that would make sense. Thanks.

I am pumped bring on the shows!!!
 ;D

Jarmo - is this post personal opinion? Or are you speaking on behalf of someone else?

I keep an eye on Pollstar just in case something starts getting booked. I've noticed in the past that things tend to show up there before even being confirmed.

Pollstar is also a great place to get alerts of shows AFTER they have gone on sale.

Happened to me a few times and got screwed, it's hit or miss there. They can be real early - or real late.

Oh I hear ya. Just my personal experience that they've been more early & accurate than not.

Oh I agree, found out about a ton of shows before I read anywhere else on there.

Just saying I also got screwed once or twice ;)

Yes it's my opinion based on the fact that there is no show.




/jarmo

I share the legitimate desire to see GnR stateside, but I seriously want the 10 minutes of my life back, that I wasted reading this thread.  : ok:

Rather than getting to 10 minutes back, maybe just find that guy that held a gun to your head and made you read the thread?

I just hope they come here when it's warm - i really wanna cook General Tso's Chicken in the parking lot.  :beer:

My 7 year old really loves Chinese Democracy and wants to go see Axl and GNR... that's probably too young? Hmmm...

Not really I have seen kids at shows where people tend to dress a little crazy.
Cough (Kiss)

There was a 5 year old next to me in the front row of GA for the GNR show here in Jersey back in 06.  The show ended a little before 3am, she was a complete champ, didnt see her complain once.

there was a kid in front of us at manchester he was fast asleep untill the pyro started :hihi: and don`t forget the little one at moscow aswell  i say if they want to go take em  : ok:

My girl was both conceived and brought up listening to AFD and latterly UYI I&II  :smoking: She hasn't turned out mad, bad or dangerous, knows when to swear and when not to.... It also has to said, she heard worse in everyday life than what goes on in these records. Oh and she is still a fan and saw them in the UK in and first saw them in 1991, and the other shows, 2002, 2006 and 2010.

In her case, I think you'll agree, she has been a life long fan  : ok:

I have never needed a gun to my head to visit HTGTH, however scanning through 5 pages of speculation and "I wish", only to find out that there is 'no news' was frustrating.  Its the same 'emotional rollercoaster' certain fans seem to love to subject themselves to, over everything related to the band (next album thread??), and via web-forums (thank God Jarmo polices this one well) they spread it to the masses - often times building to such a level that it appears in 'the news' or someone in the band feels the need to respond.  I should have noted the "?" in the title and skipped it.  :peace:

You're never too young, nor too old, for some Guns N' Roses ;-)

I guess that's it.

I'll schedule my 2 weeks off for early July.

Hopefully GN'R will be touring the States.  :yes: