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Title: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: In a coma on July 04, 2006, 01:38:29 AM
On there website you can get all 9 europe shows. Why are GNR not doing this????? Pearl Jam did something recently and I think its a great idea. I want to be able to download the mp3 and video if required of every gnr gig. I want to be able to watch it all live on the net if required and would be happy to pay to do so. If I was Axl I would have the biggest and best website on the net and embrace these new ideas. Just my little rant as much as I like Metallica I would prefer GNR to be doing this!!! 


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: mikegiuliana on July 04, 2006, 01:40:12 AM
why aren't they doing this ,when does "gnr" ever offer the fans things :hihi:


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: hunterwh on July 04, 2006, 01:43:21 AM
It would make too much sense for Guns to do that.... They should have an excellent functioning website.
It is pretty sad fans have to go out of there way to see footage or hear recent stuff. I get kind of tired of cell phone vids when it is obvious most, if not all shows, are being recorded.
I can only say I think it is a mistake Axl and the boys don't do things like that.


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: mikegiuliana on July 04, 2006, 01:51:03 AM
not only should they have a functional website that could be great but axl could be pushing cd as well as a single while touring each country too.. There's many things that could be done to benefit the fans and himself..


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: Jim Bob on July 04, 2006, 01:57:28 AM
I'd love it if GNR did something like this someday  8)


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: misterID on July 04, 2006, 02:01:10 AM
Someone should let Axl know he actually has a website. If gnronline was hacked all the hackers would find is dust bunny's.

But remember, we got all the boots in 2002 free. I liked that.


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: gandra on July 04, 2006, 03:59:33 AM
well,axl is owner of site www.gunsnroses.com

Btw i think that Axl rose hasn't that kind of felling against fans,like members of metalicca have.so we only can dream about gnrboots


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: Six Strings on July 04, 2006, 04:07:06 AM
Oh my God...THIS IS GUNS N' ROSES...NOT METALLICA!


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: Where is Hassan Nasrallah ? on July 04, 2006, 04:15:10 AM
i dont think they're at a state where they can offer stuff fro free to the fans, they need to make some moooolllaaah first.


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: Schwarzgold on July 04, 2006, 04:23:37 AM
On there website you can get all 9 europe shows. Why are GNR not doing this?????

Since "getting" means buying, I do not care.


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: suicide on July 04, 2006, 05:12:11 AM
They already gave us the "leaks"... that's much more then I would have expected some years ago. Maybe they'll offer some live downloads during their next tour in 2010.


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: jarmo on July 04, 2006, 06:09:03 AM
I'm sure they have several reasons for not offering live recordings from this tour.

I guess it requires a lot of extra work to put it together.




/jarmo



Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: Bravefish on July 04, 2006, 06:43:59 AM
Yep it prob does and as Axl and the band are still gelling, mistakes are bound to happen so you dont wanna let the fans d/l that lol :)

FIsh


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: illusionone on July 04, 2006, 06:56:14 AM
Well the one positive thing you can take out of the whole situation is that you can never call Axl out for gouging his fans.  Over the last 15 years, Axl could have pulled a Bon Jovi and released his old material 8000 different ways knowing that the die hards would buy it.  Granted I would have loved all of that :drool:.  I guess my point is, Axl obviously is happy with making or having just enough money to live the life style that he wants, and his first priority is making and releasing quality music.

I respect that!





Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: Voodoochild on July 04, 2006, 07:10:46 AM
I don't think he wants to release anything with this new band before Chinese Democracy. Actually, that's pretty fair... As we could see here lately, there's A LOT of people judging the new members by boots...


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: mrlee on July 04, 2006, 07:20:57 AM
well axl has every use your illusion show filmed so he has plenty to offer.


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: Butch Franšais on July 04, 2006, 07:24:47 AM
It would make too much sense for Guns to do that.... They should have an excellent functioning website.
It is pretty sad fans have to go out of there way to see footage or hear recent stuff. I get kind of tired of cell phone vids when it is obvious most, if not all shows, are being recorded.
I can only say I think it is a mistake Axl and the boys don't do things like that.

what?! dude, it wouldn't make sense at ALL if GN'R were to do anything like that! :hihi:


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: Voodoochild on July 04, 2006, 07:28:26 AM
well axl has every use your illusion show filmed so he has plenty to offer.
Axl could sell anything - fas would buy it. But what if he release ANOTHER old material (and I'm talkin about just Live Era)? People would still whine...


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: WARose on July 04, 2006, 07:35:29 AM
we`ll get rock am ring on the 11th of august and i`m very happy with that : ok:

aren`t you people complaining about the same setlist at every show?? why do you want to watch the same show 12 times??


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: estranged2006 on July 04, 2006, 08:08:07 AM
why would u want to download the same songs? all the songs are the same at every of the concerts. same shows same downloads. and anyone who owns a copy of AFD has the show already. the reason they dont do this is coz they know that nobody wants this. its a wasste of money and time to offer the same thing.

they play the same show everynite.


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: Ines_rocks! on July 04, 2006, 08:16:12 AM
god I would love it... It?s so sad we gotta find by our own the bootlegs of the shows... but don?t think it?ll ever happen.... What will happen for sure is the dvd with the shows they are filming getting sold, so we can buy and they can make more money. Lol sometimes I think that?s all they care about: our money. :-X


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: Schwarzgold on July 04, 2006, 09:04:48 AM
they play the same show everynite.

Download Metallicas shows, and you will see that they do the same thing. AMAZING, isn't it?


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: chineseblues on July 04, 2006, 10:02:00 AM
why aren't they doing this ,when does "gnr" ever offer the fans things :hihi:

Oh they only made sure the hardcore fans on the forums got tickets to the Hammerstein and Hammersmith shows first. But oh yeah they never do anything for the fans right?  ::)


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: estranged2006 on July 04, 2006, 10:30:34 AM
they play the same show everynite.

Download Metallicas shows, and you will see that they do the same thing. AMAZING, isn't it?

no they dont. i know metallica.  they even might show a new song and you wouldnt know! or play songs that havent been played for years or if ever live  like orion. dont try to compare them you dick. metallca shows are way different than a cover band playing AFD. axl is great this tour but the song selections sucks


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: Madagascar88 on July 04, 2006, 10:44:52 AM
well... Im told that they ARE looking into releasing a version of the UYI dvd's WITH surround sound...


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: Schwarzgold on July 04, 2006, 10:45:15 AM
1. You can't compare multiple Metallica-Tours and one GNR-Tour. You have to compare one and one, if you wanna be fair.

2. This said: I saw Metallica at Novarock and at Rock am Ring, and it were as much the same shows as GNR puts on same shows - one core (MoP, AFD), plus songs from various albums (where Metallica indeed has more to choose from) - slight difference, but mainly the same. (Great shows by Metallica, both, btw).

3. "The new song" was played at the Waldb?hne once, "TWAT" was played at Hammerstein once.

4. The "you dick"-part was very intelligent.


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: estranged2006 on July 04, 2006, 11:01:44 AM
1. You can't compare multiple Metallica-Tours and one GNR-Tour. You have to compare one and one, if you wanna be fair.
well since GnR have so many tours to compare too.. lol.. u were the one that first tried to compare the bands.

2. This said: I saw Metallica at Novarock and at Rock am Ring, and it were as much the same shows as GNR puts on same shows - one core (MoP, AFD), plus songs from various albums (where Metallica indeed has more to choose from) - slight difference, but mainly the same. (Great shows by Metallica, both, btw).
yes this time is different for tallica coz they want to play one album in its complete! MoP! thats why its special. coz they dont do that very often. and the songs on that album are not played alot before this tour! axl has been playing and living off of 12 songs from 1988 for his life. he cant play another or a song like estranged anymore!

3. "The new song" was played at the Waldb?hne once, "TWAT" was played at Hammerstein once.
new song was new! TWAT was downloaded and months before. its differnt. its more random and new and frest what they did.

oh well u will belive that playing AFD is soo great to hear for years and years. ok! good!


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: Evolution on July 04, 2006, 11:13:01 AM
why would u want to download the same songs? all the songs are the same at every of the concerts. same shows same downloads. and anyone who owns a copy of AFD has the show already. the reason they dont do this is coz they know that nobody wants this. its a wasste of money and time to offer the same thing.

they play the same show everynite.


The people attending the concert would want a copy I'm sure, meaning a few thousand downloads of each show at least.


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: Schwarzgold on July 04, 2006, 11:14:18 AM
No, I do not. There is nothing that I wish more than finally gettin my hands on ChinDem and watch a live show, which consists MAINLY of new material.

Only point I try to make here is that it's not THAT unusual for a ?band to rely on a) older material as a fundament and b) not to change that material to much on ONE tour.


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: ppbebe on July 04, 2006, 11:27:12 AM
GN'R is not alone. Many bands don't offer download of their tour.

Like cb said, those presales were real treats for the fans. Also in most cases they are not strict with the audience taking pics and recording the shows on this tour. They care in different ways.

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metallca shows are way different than a cover band playing AFD. axl is great this tour but the song selections sucks

why would any band like to give away their recordings of their shows to a person who calls them a cover band and think their set sucks?  ::)
As for your name calling, read the board rules.


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: Neemo on July 04, 2006, 11:32:29 AM
you gotta buy the shows and it's all the shows not just Download...metallica has been trying to make as much $$$ as possible from everything they do for a while...hence the napster suit.

remember Lars words..."Metallica's not about the fans...we've never been about the fans...it's about us" or something close to that


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: oneway23 on July 04, 2006, 11:39:27 AM
you gotta buy the shows and it's all the shows not just Download...metallica has been trying to make as much $$$ as possible from everything they do for a while...hence the napster suit.

remember Lars words..."Metallica's not about the fans...we've never been about the fans...it's about us" or something close to that

How, exactly, is the primary goal of Metallica offering their fans live shows making as much money as possible?...Of course there's commerce involved, it's a business, but damn, at least the fans get a token or momento of their experience.


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: Neemo on July 04, 2006, 11:53:14 AM
you gotta buy the shows and it's all the shows not just Download...metallica has been trying to make as much $$$ as possible from everything they do for a while...hence the napster suit.

remember Lars words..."Metallica's not about the fans...we've never been about the fans...it's about us" or something close to that

How, exactly, is the primary goal of Metallica offering their fans live shows making as much money as possible?...Of course there's commerce involved, it's a business, but damn, at least the fans get a token or momento of their experience.

say they play 40 shows...and 10000 fans buy each show for $10 a pop...then they also pay $50 or $100 (or whatever) to go to the show...fuck man if you're gonna do that kinda shit then lower the price of admission or something...if this ain't a cash grab i dunno what is...come'on then there is the diehard collectors who want to get everything..what? now bands have to bootleg thier own shows? gimme a friggin' break ::)


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: Neemo on July 04, 2006, 12:03:56 PM
oh yeah to answer In A Coma's question

On there website you can get all 9 europe shows. Why are GNR not doing this?????

cuz they don't have a website :P ever since st anger was released metallica has made a bunch of live material available to Purcahse from their site...to generate more $$$ and so that greedy little sites like napster don't get their grubby hands on metallica's precious material...the more they put out the more that is "official"

so if gnr did this you can kiss the bootleg sections goodbye on sites such as these cuz EVERYTHING will become official material


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: droezle on July 04, 2006, 06:08:45 PM
you gotta buy the shows and it's all the shows not just Download...metallica has been trying to make as much $$$ as possible from everything they do for a while...hence the napster suit.

remember Lars words..."Metallica's not about the fans...we've never been about the fans...it's about us" or something close to that

How, exactly, is the primary goal of Metallica offering their fans live shows making as much money as possible?...Of course there's commerce involved, it's a business, but damn, at least the fans get a token or momento of their experience.

say they play 40 shows...and 10000 fans buy each show for $10 a pop...then they also pay $50 or $100 (or whatever) to go to the show...fuck man if you're gonna do that kinda shit then lower the price of admission or something...if this ain't a cash grab i dunno what is...come'on then there is the diehard collectors who want to get everything..what? now bands have to bootleg thier own shows? gimme a friggin' break ::)

You also can download some of these shows for free on several fan forums. It's very simple. A forum member bought some livemetallica shows and putted them on the forums as soon he gets them. That's how i got my 2006 Metallica shows. You can't get better quality. They are all soundboard.


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: Neemo on July 04, 2006, 06:48:51 PM
You also can download some of these shows for free on several fan forums. It's very simple. A forum member bought some livemetallica shows and putted them on the forums as soon he gets them. That's how i got my 2006 Metallica shows. You can't get better quality. They are all soundboard.

but it's an illegal download...if gnr did that there would be no DL'ing from any gnr sites.

I understand soundboard quality and thats awesome...but I just think that it's another cashgrab by metallica ;)


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: droezle on July 05, 2006, 01:02:03 AM
You also can download some of these shows for free on several fan forums. It's very simple. A forum member bought some livemetallica shows and putted them on the forums as soon he gets them. That's how i got my 2006 Metallica shows. You can't get better quality. They are all soundboard.

but it's an illegal download...if gnr did that there would be no DL'ing from any gnr sites.

I understand soundboard quality and thats awesome...but I just think that it's another cashgrab by metallica ;)

And what about G N' R these day's? They are gonna release an album in the fall (if it's true) but where are the new songs in the shows? I'm not meanting I.R.S. and stuff but real new songs that no one has heard before. No,they prefer to play a Appetite overdose instead of promoting the new album. Isn't that a cashgrab?


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: In a coma on July 05, 2006, 01:29:37 AM
why would u want to download the same songs? all the songs are the same at every of the concerts. same shows same downloads. and anyone who owns a copy of AFD has the show already. the reason they dont do this is coz they know that nobody wants this. its a wasste of money and time to offer the same thing.

they play the same show everynite.

I disagree most people on this site are pretty hardcore fans. Now as much as I would have liked to have gone to every european show money and time dictate otherwise. If I was in GNR (Which in my mind I am) I would have sold a european tour pass!! Each gig live on the web, mp3 available, backstage access, interviews with axl and the band. And as a hardcore fan I would have bought this!!!! Maybee its just me but I think this would be a great idea. Even if you just look at this from a monetary point of view, there are only so many seats in a stadium! Why not sell the gig to the fans who can't make it? I am a genius and I am now off to work in Marketing!!!! 


The people attending the concert would want a copy I'm sure, meaning a few thousand downloads of each show at least.


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: jsg2295 on July 05, 2006, 02:05:49 AM
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You also can download some of these shows for free on several fan forums. It's very simple. A forum member bought some livemetallica shows and putted them on the forums as soon he gets them. That's how i got my 2006 Metallica shows. You can't get better quality. They are all soundboard.
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Be sure to tell Metallica this on their forum. I bet they would love it. I am sure they would respond faster than you could say Napster.


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: F*ck Fear on July 05, 2006, 02:38:38 AM
I'd love it if GNR did something like this someday? 8)

Yea man after the album is released. That way he isn't giving away live versions of these new songs.


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: oneway23 on July 06, 2006, 02:17:51 AM
you gotta buy the shows and it's all the shows not just Download...metallica has been trying to make as much $$$ as possible from everything they do for a while...hence the napster suit.

remember Lars words..."Metallica's not about the fans...we've never been about the fans...it's about us" or something close to that

How, exactly, is the primary goal of Metallica offering their fans live shows making as much money as possible?...Of course there's commerce involved, it's a business, but damn, at least the fans get a token or momento of their experience.

say they play 40 shows...and 10000 fans buy each show for $10 a pop...then they also pay $50 or $100 (or whatever) to go to the show...fuck man if you're gonna do that kinda shit then lower the price of admission or something...if this ain't a cash grab i dunno what is...come'on then there is the diehard collectors who want to get everything..what? now bands have to bootleg thier own shows? gimme a friggin' break ::)

If they are going to do what shit?  Is Metallica forcing the fans to buy the disc?  What do soundboard quality bootlegs have to do with lowering ticket prices...And no, collectors don't "have" to have them all...Buy the show you went to for $10 bucks and stop whining that Metallica strong-armed you into buying 40 live CD's, well, because you're a "collector." 


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: metallex78 on July 06, 2006, 03:40:02 AM
you gotta buy the shows and it's all the shows not just Download...metallica has been trying to make as much $$$ as possible from everything they do for a while...hence the napster suit.

remember Lars words..."Metallica's not about the fans...we've never been about the fans...it's about us" or something close to that

I don't believe Metallica would have said exactly that, maybe something like "we do this for ourselves, not for anyone else" because that's the attitude they have and I think that's a good thing. The day that Metallica start catering to what people tell them they should play is the day that they've truly 'sold out'.

And besides, Metallica are so good to their fans - regular updates with what they're doing - studio and on the road, a website dedicated to their shows and setlists (with an option to buy a quality recording of the show you attended), a well-run fanclub, meet and greets organized for nearly every show they play. I've met the band several times and they all couldn't have been nicer, no rock star attitudes at all.

Whether you like their music or not is debatable, but they are really good to their fans.


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: Limulus on July 06, 2006, 04:04:26 AM
no matter any circumstances (money/no free d/l etc.)......the main point is Metallica officially offers true digital complete soundboards from nearly EVERY show for about 10bucks only in best quality! you dont have to buy/collect them but at least you have the freedom of choice picking/getting them. this is just a fucking great service for fans these years!!

...and GN'R fans only have this official 2CD thing called "fake era"? :-X


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: Poof! on July 06, 2006, 04:20:45 AM
Keep in mind that most of the songs played by GN'R on this tour are owned not just by Axl, but also former GN'R members, so I'm sure there are a lot of legalities that would have to be worked for any sort of public release of those songs. And I don't think Slash or Duff would be too crazy about signing off on something that would, at this point, solely benefit and promote the new GN'R.


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: estranged2006 on July 06, 2006, 04:47:27 AM
Keep in mind that most of the songs played by GN\'R on this tour are owned not just by Axl, but also former GN\'R members, so I\'m sure there are a lot of legalities that would have to be worked for any sort of public release of those songs. And I don\'t think Slash or Duff would be too crazy about signing off on something that would, at this point, solely benefit and promote the new GN\'R.

no true..


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: Limulus on July 06, 2006, 04:53:32 AM
Keep in mind that most of the songs played by GN'R on this tour are owned not just by Axl, but also former GN'R members, so I'm sure there are a lot of legalities that would have to be worked for any sort of public release of those songs. And I don't think Slash or Duff would be too crazy about signing off on something that would, at this point, solely benefit and promote the new GN'R.

yeah, but when seeing it through the fans' eyes it doesnt matter....we dont have any choice getting ANY new/old officially material yet


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: Neemo on July 06, 2006, 08:54:00 AM
I don't believe Metallica would have said exactly that, maybe something like "we do this for ourselves, not for anyone else" because that's the attitude they have and I think that's a good thing. The day that Metallica start catering to what people tell them they should play is the day that they've truly 'sold out'.

actually a kinda a mix of the two :peace:

Quote from: Lars Ulrich
A lot of bands have this sort of ?give the people what they want, we?re doing it for the fans? mentality and all that type of stuff. I think people have sort of gotten their wires crossed a couple of times with this whole thing, because we are so accessible. Because we treat our fans with dignity and respect and so on, people put this kind of brand ?Metallica the fans band, ??Metallica the peoples? band? which I have no problem with. But we?re not doing it for the fans ? we do it for ourselves and ultimately the fans get something out of it.

And besides, Metallica are so good to their fans - regular updates with what they're doing - studio and on the road, a website dedicated to their shows and setlists (with an option to buy a quality recording of the show you attended), a well-run fanclub, meet and greets organized for nearly every show they play. I've met the band several times and they all couldn't have been nicer, no rock star attitudes at all.

I'll give you that but GnR has ever been secretive, it's just differences in the way they do things

If they are going to do what shit? Is Metallica forcing the fans to buy the disc? What do soundboard quality bootlegs have to do with lowering ticket prices...And no, collectors don't "have" to have them all...Buy the show you went to for $10 bucks and stop whining that Metallica strong-armed you into buying 40 live CD's, well, because you're a "collector."

Because ultimately they make more on each show...so why no reduce ticket prices cuz basically they recoup it for free from the boots...And I don't collect metallica music (or anything really)...but there are people that do... :P and ask some collectors around here if they have to have "everything" or not....there are people that feel they do indeed need to own everything

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You also can download some of these shows for free on several fan forums. It's very simple. A forum member bought some livemetallica shows and putted them on the forums as soon he gets them. That's how i got my 2006 Metallica shows. You can't get better quality. They are all soundboard.
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Be sure to tell Metallica this on their forum. I bet they would love it. I am sure they would respond faster than you could say Napster.

too true :hihi:

And what about G N' R these day's? They are gonna release an album in the fall (if it's true) but where are the new songs in the shows? I'm not meanting I.R.S. and stuff but real new songs that no one has heard before. No,they prefer to play a Appetite overdose instead of promoting the new album. Isn't that a cashgrab?

well they are getting back in the public eye and they aren't doubly charging all fans to pay ticket prices then buy a boot from their website : ok:

Keep in mind that most of the songs played by GN'R on this tour are owned not just by Axl, but also former GN'R members, so I'm sure there are a lot of legalities that would have to be worked for any sort of public release of those songs. And I don't think Slash or Duff would be too crazy about signing off on something that would, at this point, solely benefit and promote the new GN'R.

excellent point ;)

no matter any circumstances (money/no free d/l etc.)......the main point is Metallica officially offers true digital complete soundboards from nearly EVERY show for about 10bucks only in best quality! you dont have to buy/collect them but at least you have the freedom of choice picking/getting them. this is just a fucking great service for fans these years!!

...and GN'R fans only have this official 2CD thing called "fake era"  :-X

Another good point...at least they are offering a place to get undoctored shows, but still...i also hated it when PJ did this btw with cds...part of the charm of bootlegs...for me is hunting down a good one or the one you attended...i own all metallica's albums what like 8 albums and the garage days dbl disk and S&M...isn't that enough money handed to these guys? now they want fans to dish out more cash? i still say fuck that :peace:


Title: Re: Metallica offer download of european tour
Post by: Zon on July 06, 2006, 09:24:05 AM
I'm sure they have several reasons for not offering live recordings from this tour.

I guess it requires a lot of extra work to put it together.




/jarmo




I was standing next to the sounboard in Nijmegen, and the show (audio) was being recorded