Here Today... Gone To Hell!

i know some people are gonna hate me for this (sp1at.com) because this info was posted by "bigboss" i dont know how he got this info but taken from their advanced section from an anonymous person then he/she pmed it to me and i later posted it at my forum.. but anyway? :nervous:

we will get an announcement by the end of next month.

"It will not be announced at the UK gigs. Guns will go back to the US the first week of August. Axl has the tracklist to finalise. It will be then handed to Universal, and the album will be announced thereafter. As of now, Universal have not recieved the album "

"CD will be the opener"

and i do find this info legit.

thanks to mandy
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i guess we will see end of next month ???

It doesn't sound unreasonable to me. With the US tour coming up, there is bound to be a release date and numerous sources talked about late September before. Here's to hoping....

It better be! Enough of this cock teasin! get the fucking album out.

Thats what I figured as well. 

An announcement while the band is off in August.  Perfect time for some interviews and promotion.

Sp1at said the same thing in march, April, and May. The buzz at the beginning of the tour killed off the speculation for awhile, and now its back. I'm still waiting for that announcement from Merck that was days away in March.

Its just a safe guess.

Yeah, sounds like an educated guess though. Don't think any true facts or sources are involved, just kinda common sense and process of elimination.

That's the most logical guess anyway.

Ho hum, guess we'll have to wait 'till then.

hey bitch get on msn  :P

Sp1at said an announcement was "deffiantly" coming . . . . ?that was months ago after the leaks, they do guess work.

The only source I'll believe is Universal, when they say it's coming then it's coming.

Hmm sounds like it came from a dustman of universal.  Or maybe that parkingman :P

i got an impression of deja vu....am i the only one????? guess not....

I don't think I'd really believe anything until I see it out there.

richard said in an email they`re going back to the states and then they`ll update the website, give out more info,etc.....

that, and a little speculation, are enough to make such a conclusion....

Update Richard's site maybe?

gnr`s for sure : ok:

Sp1at is doing nothing but trying to state the obvious, then go around and tell everyone that they had the "scoop" on the release date.

Sp1ats stock has dropped significantly over the past year.

I believe this IS reliable.

The fact that this was posted in the advanced member section, and was never meant for public consumption suggests you're talking crap thorazine.

@#$%Funker

yep. you can't go wrong with a vague gn'r info..
that's the most informed i've been in the past 15 years  :hihi:

Sp1at's top secret info about an announcement that was days away in March wasn't in the public forum either. Did that ever happen?

Hey, say the record company doesn't have the record yet...Doesn't the promotional machine take months to kick in while the label sits on the record anywhere from 3-5 months in order to select an optimal release window?

is this information in the "advanced members zone"?

Maybe it's in the super advanced members zone

Yes.

And Lofton - that's the point. Sp1at don't come out and say "this will happen". It is conjecture kept in the advanced member section to stop exactly this kind of crap discussion.

@#$%Funker

thats what the dude said. theres more but id rather not say anythin else, i feel bad already.  :P

An album supposedly being released 'in the fall' being announced by the end of August hardly amounts to inside info.

Not yet, but they were right about the Rio announcement.

excellent news if its true

If you had a shred of decency, you'd check before posting. Legally, you are a bit naive ?:hihi: Nevermind

Will someone please lock this thread

whats crawled up your ass?

Please elaborate. Axl said himself early this year that festivals might be played. Obviously Rio would be at the top of the list. Again, another safe guess.

exactly... guess the month :hihi:

Get off your high horse!  Even if this inside info. came from you, why keep it to yourself?  Its not as if you are giving out confidential government wire tapping secrets.  Legally?  Give me a break!

I dunno. Maybe it's because if they tell it and people get carried away, it's sp1at that gets the blame when it doesn't come to pass?

How'd you feel to take the fall for CD being delayed again and again?

that's not a nice thing, Inferno

The fact tha twhat was in their advanced member section got put out in the open isn't rigth .


But the info isn't really that big of a thing hell it's the same shit that gets said every year.

If the album is coming out before years end then an announcment in August would be bound to happen.

There's always the difference.

"I think there might an announcement in [month]."

"I have reason to believe there will be an announcement in [month]."

edit: clarified

Thats not really that big of a difference ,Sir.


It's just a difference in wording  is all .

What the fuck are you talking about?

I hardly go to that site anymore, nor am I privy to the "advance members section".

So how would I know that it was in the advance section?

Exactly.

The first one can be labeled speculation and is no big deal if it doesn't happen, whereas the second one would boil some blood, because it's expressed in a confident manner.

Such is the case here, which is why sp1at would've rather waited a while longer.

Pure speculation.


There is nothing in that bit of gossip that I haven't thought myself in the past few months.  For discussion purposes, it is harmless.

But let us not look too much into it.

speculation huh..

he even mentioned the opener for CD. and the month cd would be released

Well, I dunno to what you are referring to Frozen, but I remarking about this part.

Any other information in their Advanced Section is pretty much the same garbage in, garbage out. They have to get it right at some point. I think it is fun to discuss but at this point, I give it no weight.

thats just a piece of the info he posted. or w/e. haha .

They both mean the same thing. both deal with Speculation.

Im gonna post the rest of the info in the news section here http://gunsreincarnate.bbfun.com/ cuz im naive. or just let the attention whore razz say it on his radio station.

jk jk..? :hihi: or am i??? :o

They said Rio would be announced within 48 hours, and the website was update the next day.

That's pretty damn lucky.  :hihi:

ummmmm, because it was stated in the very first post of this thread?

@#$%Funker

we will get an announcement by the end of next month.

Well gee, if the rumor of the album being out by the end of sept, that is an easy guess, and if the announcement is this month you can just claim, Axl did it early. Wow genious



"It will not be announced at the UK gigs. Guns will go back to the US the first week of August.

Well of course the tour is finished why would they stay in the UK if there were no more shows to play? Again rocket science

 Axl has the tracklist to finalise. It will be then handed to Universal, and the album will be announced thereafter. As of now, Universal have not recieved the album "

We all know that. Axl, Fortus and Ron have all said the final track listing is not final yet, so of course the label does not have the album yet. And of course once they get it they will announce it.
Damn where you do you come up with this stuff?

If you want to impress then give us some song titles that could appear on Cd that have never been mentioned in any interview.

Or name the first single

Ok here is one, i have been saying this for years. Ill pull a splat.
I said this back in 2002 when we thought we were getting the album.

Chinese Democracy is going to open the album. Yep. It makes perfect sense. Its the title track, the new opening rocks and the opening riffs rock. So there ya have it, you heard it hear first. CD will open the album? : ok:

You have waaaaaayyyy too much time on your hands.  ::)

@#$%Funker

I heard that the list for CD is finalized but they have it narrowed down to three different versions of each song. The reason it is taking so long is that they are waiting for Jarmo to listen to see which one he prefers and put on the album!!!!

So does Sp1at.

I could careless about a release date  I already have the album

u have "the" album or a fake from ebay?  ???

we heard this before. many times. esp from \"big boss\"

Its not coming out in 2006...  it will come out when Axl is damn well ready and that may be never.  Too many people are getting their hopes up for a 2006 release.

LOL.

I think you are going to be let down by your own negativity.

It's gotta drop sometime.

This seems like the right time to me.

I think there is a major fallacy to this argument.  One may think that after all this time, it MUST be released, but I don't agree.  This is year #15 without an original GnR record.  One would think after 10 years, Axl would have released it, just because it was "the right thing to do".  The fact that it has gone this long leads me to believe it will not come out more than it will...

  :no:

There's nothing really new in this, but sp1at isn't the worst source on earth, and all that was kinda confirmed by the latest fortus email.

I believe it, goes along with some things I've heard perfectly. : ok:

Shake your head all you want.  Axl has proven time and time again that he can find new and improved ways of delaying his album, his stage appearances and anything else he deems worthy of a delay.  Why even go on tour to play a bunch of songs from Appetite...?  Why not just hammer out the fucking record and then tour?  I'm not convinced one bit. 

Axl Rose owns your soul.

 :drool:

This isn't rocket science...............

....they return to the states in August, announce when the first single will hit the airwaves (September) then announce the cd release (October/November).

Better will be the first single, then The Blues will be the second, probably just before or a month after cd's release.

They were filming live clips for the Better video during the Hammerstein shows.

So yeah, you heard it first cuz I'm an insider.

This article says it all... 

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/06/arts/music/06leed.html?ei=5090&en=a13c0fac87670850&ex=1267851600&partner=rssuserland&pagewanted=all

That article predates the current tour. It's conclusion is therefore dubious. Dig out Merck's reaction to the piece and read up on all the 'facts'.

Yeah, but the article title is incorrect, it's definitely made, he has 32 completed tracks and will finalize the tracklisting when he comes back. Several sources have said a "fall" release is on for sure. Some of us have heard it straight from the band or the band's record company's mouth. No stopping Axl this time, train is rolling along at full steam ahead.

Read the article.  NOTHING has changed.  Of course, his manager Merck, is going to renounce the article.  That's the obvious reaction by someone who manages Axl Rose.   The article is recent enough and makes some irrefutable points.  Chinese Democracy has not been "made".  By your definition, it was "made" 8 years ago.  Until it hits the shelves, its not "made".

i maybe would feel as confident about it as you are if a official press release was released about this with cd release date/the first single on Monday.

Even Axl has never declared there are 32 songs DONE.  Not even close.  He said they're working on 32 songs and 26 were 'nearly done'.  Sounds like the same stage they were at 8 years ago... 

Axl is being very vague about this for a reason. 

Something very substantial has changed. Axl Rose has taken his band on the road in Europe and to the US in the Fall. For the first time, he has indicated a time frame for a release, Fall 06. Never before has he indicated such a time frame. In fact, he has been vague when there wasn't a time frame established.

Get a grip, better, wait for Fall 06 and eat your own words. Or just leave. Whatever eases your restless spirit.

Axl toured in 2002.  Didn't change anything.  The last time he tried to tour America, he cancelled on some very unhappy fans in Philly.  Around and around we go...

Just because he said we'll "hear music this year" and "fall to late fall" doesn't mean anything.   Read the article I linked above.  Axl will find something else to tinker with, especially after being on the road with the band for a few months.  One thing was obvious from that article and that is Axl thinks its 'his way or the highway'.  Most musicians will tell you that type of mentality is never going to be received well by the other members.  Axl has single-handedly wrecked the old lineup, wasted millions of dollars of recording time, and cancelled any good-will he had from American fans with his antics in 2002.

Seriously man, fuck off. Take your 2003 arguments to the dead horse section so we can talk about news here.

until official release date is announced. until the first single is dropped. until the cd is dropped these arguments are valid.

 :hihi:   You guys get so personal when I state a fact.  Makes me think I may be on to something with the points I am bringing up.  That's what I get for speaking the truth.

 :rofl:

Not only are they valid, they're almost certainly going to be correct when January 1st, 2007 rolls around.

Your arguements here are totally moot. This is a thread about Sp1at posting a release date. Instead of discussing that release date in regards to Sp1at's credibility or other things pertaining to Sp1at, you attack them on your own prejudices about the band.

This thread isnt a vehicle for you to rant and attack others based on your opinion (and only that) of whether the band will release CD this year or not. There are plenty of other threads for that, which you seem to love.

Good thinking, Batman.  ::)

Your entire second paragraph is dead horse. You can look up the realist point of view there.

AS for your first point, he has given us a time frame. This is not something that we have been given before. If you choose not to believe him then that is your right, but it is not a certainty or a fact or any other indisputable issue.

I used to like seeing articles about CD release announcement soon, but now they all have been proved to be bullshit.  I think sp1at is bullshit.  When Axl says a date then that most likely will be the date.  He said fall, late fall.  Richard hinted at the same time frame.  So thats the most accurate info we can go on

The fact that the album won't come out this year does relate to this thread.  The history lesson was part of my supporting arguments.  You're basically telling me if I don't speculate on the release date (within the year of 2006), I belong in Dead Horse.  That's gotta be the stupidest fucking thing I've read this week.

 :hihi:

I did not see a release date given by splat. where is it? Giving a release date is this.
CD will be released on the 3rd tue in sept 2006.
That is a release date, splat gave no such thing

Maybe HE is Batman.   :hihi:

Splat didn't give a release date and they didn't post what people are discussing on this thread. They didn't post it as news, they didn't post it on their forum, and yet people are bashing them for posting it. What's next, complain about what goes inside their heads?

It's almost as if we must have a splat bashing thread periodically.

[off-topic]And about the DeadHorsePOV, I'd like to ask the moderators how many negative karma points it takes to get you banned. Thanks [/off-topic]

 :hihi:  :hihi:  :hihi:

I think we all understand your opinion. A NYT article with a number of problems with its sources isn't strong enough to convince me. I suggest you allow others to discuss what they think. You are becoming a broken record of negativity around here.

btw, i'm still waiting for that list of bootlegs from the 2006 tour that you have heard...

OK... perhaps YOU can tell us what "really" happened between 1995 and 2005?  This should be good...   :hihi:

They have no reason for a press release at this time. I am sure once the U.S tour is finalized and the tracklisting has been seleleted for the album that we'll get an update. Late August/Early September makes the most sense.

I am not at all insinuating that I know. However, if you were here when the NYT piece dropped, it was pointed out that the reporter only spoke to sources who had worked on CD very early in the process. Merck invited the reporter to talk but he never bothered to call back. Those involved in later stages of CD were never interviewed, nor would they speak. As a result, I too have issues with the sources used in the piece.

What other explanation is there?  Axl sat on his ass for 12 years?  The NYT article really doesn't bash Axl personally.  It could have been written with a lot more malice.  Besides, there are keys truths in that article which are undeniable.  Geffen/Interscope shelled out millions to get the album done and Axl squandered it.  Interscope finally cut the cord on Axl after years of frustration.  Axl is still re-mixing and re-doing songs he's been working on for 12 years.  There's really nothing contradictorary in the article. 

All this leads me to believe we are no closer now than we were in 2002.  Axl toured in '02 and the tour eventually flopped.  Axl lost his lead guitarist AGAIN.  He couldn't pay Bucket enough to stay in the band.  If all these band members are bailing out on Axl, shouldn't that tell you there's a problem?  Also, why would you take Axl at his word about a 2006 release, when the tracks have not even been selected yet?  They were asking Axl to select the tracks way back in the 90's.  Nothing has changed...

Remember people-

In 2002, Axl said "soon is not the word." In '06 Axl said it would come out this year for sure.

:beer: exactly. in AXL's own words "CD will absolutely come out in fall/late fall" or something along those lines.

Unless something goes wrong, really really wrong, I really do believe that now is the time and that the album is coming out for sure.

In 1961 JFK said that we would put a man on the moon by the "end of the decade," so I don't see why we can't expect "Chinese Democracy" to come out.

:rofl: Now thats funny.

Alot of people think the moon landing was a hoax.....

And some people don't believe in the theory of evolution either.

Axl Rose and his new GNR is putting out Chinese Democracy this year.
No way would anybody in this world have the balls to strike out with their fans three times.
Axl Rose looks poised to make a strong comeback and he's already celebrating with his lady friends and bandmates because its inevitable.

MNW

I will believe it comes out of Axls mouth or we have a offical press release. Until then go on and live your life and maybe just maybe one day Chinese Democracy will come out.

The number of things that are different this year compared to previous years regarding GNR activities are too many to list.

To suggest nothing is different, and it seems as unlikely to get an album this year as any previous year is a very thin argument.

Unless you are very naive about journalism, you'll realise the NYT article is irrelevant to this discussion.

@#$%Funker

Nothing is official until it comes from Sanctuary. When things go well for Axl he believes he can do anything............ when they go bad shit hits the fan and things constantly change!

Jonx

It's acutally quite funny, I'll never get tired of reading about all the dicussions around CD.

If there's something that I've it's not to take too seriously about anything and to stay positive. Been negative is just a waste of energy.

I've seen two shows so far this year. One in Warsaw, Poland and the other one in Roskilde, Denmark and they were both mindblowing experiences!! I waited 18 years too see GNR and it was definitely worth it. I had a ticket to a GNR show for the first time 1988 when they were about to support M?tley Crue but they cancelled because of Nikki Sixx overdose. After that I've had tickets to a GNR show 2 times and they cancelled both times (2001, 2002).

Now I've seen them twice in 2 weeks and I continue to wait for CD, and If I've waited as long as I have done, I simply coninue to wait.

You're a regular here so please take the time to memorize this:

DJ: When is it gonna be the new album? Is it possible that we're gonna have a new record from Guns N' Roses?

Axl: Yes, I've heard. Um, hopefully we will put out a new single umm sometime this spring and then the record gonna be done in June or shortly thereafter.

Axl interview Radio Rock And Pop Chile
Radio Rock And Pop Chile, January 2001

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=39

Awesome post. And you're 100% right about the NYT article. People are using this piece of shit like it would proove something. Bullshit, this article claims so many urban legends towards the CD that makes it even less credible. Also, NYT is not trustable at all, I can say that for sure.

Hopefully. Something went wrong, so what? This time, he said def this year.

I hope it'll come out this year but you should understand that when you're talking about the future you could always insert the word 'hopefully' - and just because Axl inserted this it doesn't mean that anything could explain that 5 (five) years later we still haven't heard the album. BTW I think that Axl's  'hopefully' referred to the first single's release not the album's.

Voodoo, come on man.....Axl isn't any more credible than the other band members...maybe even less credible. He changes his mind all the time. He said the album would definitely come out in 2003 on a Detroit radio interview in late 2002. I'm not bashing Axl. Just stating facts. The guy is very unpredictable. Tracklist was done in 2002-remember that? Time to wrap up the baby then a month later soon wasn't the word. Axl's words are meaningless. :-[

cool!!!hope nothing stops axl this time and everything goes ahead!!!

seems logical

Here's the quote you're referring to:

"There are a lot of new songs that were just done in the last year that we feel that ?Okay, well that bumps a lot of stuff of the previous list,? but it?s time to stop that now and wrap up the baby.  It feels right, the timing, and a lot of things.  We?ve sorted it down to what songs are on the record.  What the sequence of the songs is.  The album cover art is ready.? ? Axl Rose (August, 2002)

And 4 years later.....  :rofl:

Axl's comments after the VMAs  were clear enough. His comments during the Eddie Trunk show, even more so. I agree that the quote which you have posted seems a bit vague and uncertain, but I agree he did mention a plan.

thanks for the reference, though.

Well, I think there's a big difference there. As I understand, by that time they had an album done. We all heard demos and I think there was a lot more material. Something went wrong... But the situation now is different. Now, we have more new songs, we have a full sucessful tour and, for god's sake, a very tight band. The whole environment is better now.

Also the word "hopefully" could be about both single and album.

I know. But not only him, but the whole band were being a little too vague in 2001/2002. I remember all those things, but you remember too how things went wrong with the US tour. Also, you may remember the VMA interview, when he stated how "soon is not the word".

It's very hard for me to put some logic in such a volatile person, you know. But even the most skeptical person would see how things are happening now and how it's more likely to a release now.

I heard about this too...i guess we'll wait and see

BTW is there any source...besides bigboss :-\

Where did you heard about this?

Neemo, Your source is common sense : ok: Voodoo, things are different I know but putting blind faith in Axl's statements is risky business. :-\

i agree it is a risky venture especially with all those times in the past axl said the album coming out as stated here before me  :no:

If you look at the facts and look at prior Axl promises in reference to CD, you'll see the band is actually in a worse position now to release CD than they ever were before.  Hell, he just named the new lead guitarist in May!   There's nothing new about 2006.  If anything, Axl should have just worked to get the album completely done before doing any further tours.  It would have been the right thing to do.

If BH didnt quit in 04 (was it) we would have had this album by now

How exactly are they in a worse position? Two bandmembers have said that Bucket's parts will remain on the album.

So its Bucket's fault?  Read the NYT article I linked earlier.  The band should have been done with the album even before Bucket arrived!  That's right, blame Slash, Duff, Matt, and Bucket for the delay.  It would never be Axl's fault.  :confused:

Bucket put a lot of time and effort into Guns.  Don't blame him for Axl's incompetence. 

Financially, they are, because Axl squandered all that paid studio time before.  The equipment he rented, the technicians, much of those resources are depleted now.  In fact, I think this tour is more of a fund-raising event than anything. 

LOL.

Show me evidence that Axl was in financial hardship? You do realize that he spent his advance on the project.

But if we assume that you are correct, then wouldnt' putting out the album be a solution to such a feduciary crisis?

really... ::)

I'd like to be so broke that i could only afford $5,500 in booze for 90 minutes @ the bar

As I said, his financial sources are more depleted.  If he had an advance backing him before, what's backing him now?  Sure, he could spend his own money, but the point is not that Axl doesn't have enough money to put the record out, its that he had Geffen/Interscope paying for all his toys before, whereas now they are not.  I doubt Axl's desire to create the "perfect" record will have gone away.  Anybody with business sense could tell you how that lack of funding would curb production on any project, especially since we're talking about Axl Rose here.

Pure speculation on your part. You have no evidence that this tour is a fundraiser b/c of album overhead.

A more believable rationale behind this tour is the need to prove to the American promoters that the band can sustain itself on an extended tour of festivals, small venues, and large arenas.

Take it from me, we'll get the album soon. Soon is the word  : ok: Soon is before 2007 : ok:

 :rant:

Boy do posts like that frustrate me, do people genuinely expect posts like that to reassure us?

you're an idiot. but im glad u could read.

i'm not an idiot, i simply wrote what i believe to be true, i simply don't believe what others say  :hihi:

Remember when he played the supposed complete album at the Crazy Horse II in Vegas a few years back? ?And then more recently he played another version at some New York club to bribe them to keep it open. ?You'd think there would be some info from someome who was at either of those venues. ? ? :'(

Yep, this is the year for the launch.


True but maybe the guess is not too far in a sense.  If you think so, why not support the tour fully and wholeheartedly, POV?

Well if you believe certain people the CITR leak comes from a recording of the CD that was played at the Crazyhorse. Apparantly a load of strippers over in Vegas have a few songs.

Jonx

what's wrong with this picture? a whole bunch of strippers have a whole bunch new gnr songs but not us  :rant:

Maybe the strippers were a little more "supportive" in their enthusiasm than we are. Assuming this is true of course.

someone, get there ass on a plane to Vegas. NOW!!!! :rant:

i cant  :-[ im grounded.

Hey Frozen did you post that '86 GNR performance on youtube?  That thing is awesome!   :o

No offense, but this says it all.  Many of you are too young to remember Axl back in his prime.  Times are different now and Axl doesn't have that same powerful voice he had back then.  Its going to take a lot of hard work just to make it into the charts here in the U.S.  Releasing an album after 15 years of silence (new material) would prove to be a fatal mistake for GnR.  Axl simply wasted his best years doing nothing truly productive.  For those of you who think I'm just here to bash Axl, you're mistaken.  I'm a huge Axl "fan", but that doesn't stop me from being realistic. 

I remember people complaining about Axl's voice on the Sympathy cover.  Sure, it wasn't as strong, but it was still an awesome performance, IMHO.  Many of GnR's most loyal fans began complaining about Axl's voice as early as TSI.  You can see the grit and power slipping away as he got older.  That's why GnR is in a worse position now than before.  Axl has wasted his better years doing nothing.  If it were Axl/Slash/Duff/Izzy, then GnR would survive, because the sound would still rock and people would simply overlook Axl's aging voice.  Now Axl has gone out and hired his own band, and has the audacity to still call them GnR.  People are not going to overlook Axl's weaker voice when the spotlight is squarely upon him now (as opposed to sharing it with Slash).

So even if CD gets released in 2006, people will crash the record stores at first, but once the words get out, sales will plummet quickly.  I'm not even sold that it'll make double-platinum status.  The new songs are OK, but most of them lack any type of hook or relevance by now. 

i dont know i post a lot of things   :P

doucebag post of the month. heres my advice, get off the internet, and get a job  : ok: :smoking:

How in the hell is his voice weaker?  He can hit every note in every song.  He has lost none of his range at all!  Yes, he has to sing differently now than he did back in the day because the way he used to sing put a lot of undue pressure on his vocal cords.  I think he sounds better than ever now.

Ali

Oh and for those wondering, Nik_IT pmed me the info. hes such a nice guy, really. even if some of the info is well.. bullshit.

This is simply not true.  Its like saying how in the hell is Hitler a Nazi?  He's a very nice guy and has a bigger heart than anyone.  To say he's lost no range is like saying Mike Tyson hasn't lost any hand speed.   :hihi:

Has his voice changed? Yes.
Is it weaker/worse? NO.

Why does his voice almost sound muted in the demos then if its still so powerful?  The music is obviously cranked up to drown out the lost vocal range and power.  To ignore this is simply ignoring reality.

Good post there mate.

Axl's voice is pretty good considering, but youd hope that in the million years hes been a recluse he'd at least have some sort of vocal coaching, gotta do something with all that time!!! Couldnt have been worse than the 2002 tour. ?Hes obviously fucked it though if he has to get on an oxygen mask after every song justabout. Saying that, Id rather hear a bad Axl than another Finck solo!

As for CD, I agree that it'll sell loads upon initial release due to reputation and the GNR name but once people realise its essentially an Axl solo project (yes yes I know what it'll say on the cd cover) the interest will fade considerably. Shit, the new songs that we have heard arent even new anymore, some have been out now for 4 years and IMO that really is taking the piss.

Get on with it Axl!!

p.s The Sympathy cover was shite. The whole thing, not just the vocals.

Dude, if you're such an Axl fan why the fuck do you care what other people might think of Axl? I couldn't care less what the main mass of the USA or Europe is gonna think of Axl and his new Guns.

I see you in threads spreading nothing but fear of judgement and you keep saying that you're the biggest Axl fan. Then why do you care about it so much? I consider myself a major Axl fan and a major sceptic but still I can look at this in a positive manner. And fear has taken over you; you're scared Axl might fail. Let it go; Axl doesn't care about it either.

I liked it.  Axl's vocals are certainly better than anything I've heard on the CD leaks.  The orchestration of the music is not the best, but it wasn't exactly Slash's decision to allow Huge on the track either...

Are you a producer? No, I didn't think so either.

I am; and I can tell you for sure that these are demo's and Axl can nail it real easy since in the studio you can fix anything and you can do it over and over again. I'm even pretty sure that he sang almost all the vocals in 1 cut.

What do you want everyone to say here? That Axl will fail? Cause you keep on going on and on on how Axl's not gonna make it, his voice is weak, the people are not gonna like it bla bla bla. You wnat Axl to read this and start over again? What do you want?

Dude, if you're so scared of failure; Bon Jovi seems to bee scoring pretty high so maybe you can join his forum?

Dude, its gonna matter what people think.  Most people regarded Guns as the biggest band of the day back in the early 90's.  That was because their sound was simply better than everybody else's.  That is not the case these days... times have changed.  It does matter what other's think, because this is NOT Guns N' Roses.  I could live with Axl's loss of vocal power if I still had Slash and Duff up there with him, but he's asking me to accept his weak vocals along with brand new musicians that I care nothing about, all the while expecting me to still call it Guns N' Roses.  :confused:


Has nothing to do with "fear".   :hihi:  It has to do with reality, and the reality is, as has been pointed out by OTHERS here is that Axl has promised CD well before 2006 on countless occasions.  I don't fear anything, I see the reality and quite frankly, I could care less.   :hihi:

 :hihi:   I'm sure if you mixed Axl's voice enough, you could get it to sound like Britney Spears.  This proves nothing. :rofl:  He still has to sing the shit live.   :confused:

Your prob right, although I really really like TWAT - not keen on the others really. But I'll wait to see what CD is like before I really make judgement. Im sure it will be out one day. ?:rofl:

I just dont like Sympathy because its just pointless, why do a cover of such a classic perfect song? And screw it up.

As for Paul Huge - less said about that the better. I dont blame Slash for bailing with that 'Yoko' around.

The problem I have with most of the new demos, such as TWAT, is that Axl's voice almost sounds like its being drowned out by the music.  Sure, its a demo, but its obviously a somewhat polished demo.  Back in the day, Axl's voice fit perfectly with the raunchy sounds of Slash and Izzy, but now it seems to be an afterthought on the demos.  When his voice is not protected by the music, like on "Better", you can hear him struggle to hit those higher notes (the helium effect).  The same is true on "The Blues".  I'm not seeing any ground breaking or relevant lyrics in the new songs either.  Not a good sign after 15 years of writing...

You would think that after so many years he'd pull out something a little better than Rhiad, or well, Better. After so many years I really dont think that this release will cut it. Adding a few drum loops or nonsense effects does not make something fresh or originial. Maybe he'll prove me wrong. But whatever he does it'll always be compared to the classic line-up. And rightly so.

The demos sound pretty damn good to me (production wise) for demos, although its obvious thats what they are. Mind you, when everyone said how bollocks Oh My God was didnt he say 'Oh but its a demo' or some rubbish like that and then went back into hiding for 3 years.

Hes obviously not going to have the voice he did back in the day due to age etc. it could be worse, but you just have to listen to any live version of Madagascar to realise that hes not what he was. Worrying though by your comments that the only thing thats Guns N Roses about this band is being drowned out by the music cos its not good enough!!!

I honestly believe Axl may have just ruined everything.  His motivation, his band, everything.  He obviously has a "me first" attitude about the business.  Neither Slash nor Bucket left because of Axl's voice.  Its a lot easier to look past Vince Neil's whiny old voice, because you have the originals behind him.

FYI, every album released by a major artist has a huge initial run during the first few weeks of a release, and then sales taper off. ?GNR would be no exception. ?BTW, Greatest Hits, which more than recouped the recording costs of CD, just entered it's 118th week straight in the top 100. ?That is the longest streak of any album currently on the charts. ?It has gone 3x Platinum in the U.S., and 7x Platinum worldwide. ?While that does not predict CD sales, it gives one an idea that there are many people out there who will buy this album.

the mix will be as perfect as possible on the album I'm sure...problem is that you can't please everybody. and no matter how 'perfect' the album is....there will still be people that hate it. A perfect record is unattainable, it's an impossible task.

Back on topic, the 'insiders' have been saying a release date is imminent since the leaks. I guess now it's REALLY imminent :hihi:

its a demo. don't blame axl for the mix.

His vocals are much higher in the alternate demo that came out, same vocal performance but the music is not so dominating. I really doubt that the vocals are intentinally low in the mix, its just what that mix sounded like, mabye they wanted to hear the guitars or mabye nobody had sorted the production - but its not like were intended to hear them.

you are an idiot sir and i hope your stay here will be short. you shit out your warped opinions like they are facts and everyone who thinks otherwise is out of their minds. go away you miserable little puke.

I dont think Axl has ruined everything or you wouldnt be posting about how much you think Axl sucks in everything he has done for the last 13 years on a site that is mostly pro-Axl and devoted to GNR.

What was this thread about...

Anyways POV compare these 2 performances and if you still consider the show 1) rocks less than the show 2), I'm afraid you're not a fan of rock band music.  :no:

1) http://youtube.com/watch?v=4vdfh9RmMhQ&search=you%20could%20be%20mine
2) http://youtube.com/watch?v=DNNLcbQscGo&search=you%20could%20be%20mine

We all understand how much you hate the world of today.
Now, Can you and your friends kindly stop dragging the fans to the same fruitsless argument, plz?

You're joking, right?  I mean, seriously, you ARE joking I hope.    :hihi:  :hihi:  :hihi:

Axl sounds basically the same.

Yeah, and I didn't have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky, and the check is in the mail......  :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

...and your opinions matter.

The difference in those two clips is this

1992) axl was completely destroying his voice... sounds cool but parts sound out of control
2006) axl could probably sing like his does in the 1992 but he wouldn't be able to sing for a week after that. Now he has way better techinque, which accounts for the change in sound and he still sounds fucking fantastic. this is 14 years later give the guy a fucking break

I said the performance. listen to the the whole band and get what the word 'intense' means.


Exactly. Axl has evolved. Now he reached another level.

Yes, he has.  Its called mediocrity.

This is a great interview.  It really puts the whole Chinese Democracy release in perspective...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=O2rdfzeAooA&search=guns%20roses%20interview

See; you still care what people might think of GnR based on their legend, not the music they make these days. You make yourself like like an idiot in this post cause you could live with Axl's voice if S n D were up there....how stupid is that? So you only care about who is up there and not the music? Sounds like a poser to me......


Has nothing to do with "fear".? ?:hihi:? It has to do with reality, and the reality is, as has been pointed out by OTHERS here is that Axl has promised CD well before 2006 on countless occasions.? I don't fear anything, I see the reality and quite frankly, I could care less.? ?:hihi:

Refrase that please! You meant to say "your reality"! If you couldn't care less then why the fuck are you moaning about it in every fucking thread?

The name is self-explanatory! They are demos. Demonstration only, it's not the final thing, and demos never have the best sound quality.

Ohhh... OK.  Are you sure this is not some kind of excuse, though? 

I guess it will be an excuse if they appear on the album that way.

I just hope Axl doesn't forget to re-mix the songs before he sends the album off, like he did with "Oh My God".   :hihi:

Why are you making up information, mentioning us, then blaming innocent people? You implicated Thorazine initially, now it is Nik. If Nik was to mention anything, he has his own site. Why would he tell you?

I notice how at each forum you posted this, you also posted a link to your own site. Have you no shame  :hihi:

 :drool: :beer: :drool: VMAs motherfuckers!!! what they play there will be the single. Then the single comes out in September. Album sould be out on 10/31/06 with the us tour kicking off in November. Just like 2002, just like 1991.

I just hope Axl doesn't forget to re-mix the songs before he sends the album off, like he did with "Oh My God". :hihi:

No way man I listened to that song about 5 times today. ?Is good........I like it.......... :love:

making up information you say? lol hhhaahaha you really are a piece of shit  :hihi:

Why do you say that?

You have either made it up or believed someone who has made it up. Surely I should know what I publicly say  :hihi:

Or maybe Axl thinks the European fans are just as important, if not more important than America. There is a world outside the USA you know, and most people on this board come from Europe. This tour will generate lots of revenue, introduce the new band, remind people about GnR and promote the new songs and album. It's just as important to do that in Europe as in USA. Maybe he does need to prove something to the American promoters, but either way he would have done this tour.

That's odd, because someone just sent me this:

(http://img322.imageshack.us/img322/8496/bigshit4bp.th.png) (http://img322.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bigshit4bp.png)

owned....

so then....what's the deal with that sp1at? :hihi:

well, not sure if it backs-up what sp1at said, but i just received a response from fortus to an email i send back in february. one interesting thing he said was, "I don't have any NY shows coming up.  When i finish
this tour in August, I'll go back to LA.  Don't really know when i will be back in NY as of now."

thats good to hear..

MY GODDDDD
every time that I reed south america tour... I get ahhh have no idea how to describe it

my fucking dream might be come true  :o :o :o

goooooooooooooooooooddddddddddddddddddddddddddd :drool:

Here today, bored to hell?

Christ I'm still laughing.

Froze...buddy...you kick ass..

And Mandy.....yeah..

Look the reason the album did NOT come out in 2002 was because the Tour got cancelled. ?It was NOT Axl's fault. ?He has or had no control over the "powers that be". ?But if you know anything about the music business, you always tour on the strength of a new album. ?That's what the tour is for...to promote the album. ?
So frozen posted some exciting news and half of everybody here is bitching and complaining, well... fuck me! ?Why all of a sudden are a few dumping on Axl's voice? ?Let me tell you something bout Axl's voice, I don't know anyone who can talk very low and sing very high. ?Does anyone here know how to sing? ?Yes his voice sounds raspy and perhaps horse at times now, so what? ?He's not god, he's only human. ?That's real man. ?That's what rock n roll is all about. ?It's not about some teen age pop tart who goes on stage to lip sync. ?You'll never catch Axl lip sync to anything. ?
The Tour is going great - GNR back in America in the Fall and album to follow!!!! ?:beer:

Shhhhhh...dont talk about Axl's voice or this will be dead horsed. I have a question....Was Izzy at the concerts in 2002?

never.

apparently, Axl and Izzy recovered their friendship in the last few years

I think this helps validate that we will hear music this year. Not to change the subject again but it sounds like the show in Oslo was one fucking good time had by all if the set list they have posted is true. Complete with Izzy again.

I cannot believe some of the things I read on this forum!  :hihi:  Axl left Philadelphia hung out to dry.  A riot ensued.  That's why the tour was cancelled.  This WAS Axl's fault.  Also, it was Axl's fault many of the shows along the way were not even close to selling out.  So, a no-show in Vancouver, a no-show in Philly is why the tour was cancelled.  If nobody is coming to the shows, that's Axl's fault too.  Do you just repeat everything Merck says as if its gospel?   :no:

How so?  Izzy subbed for Gilby at a few gigs in late '93, but this didn't push Axl to drop any new music.  How is this any different?  Izzy is just being - Izzy.  He's also played alongside VR.  He has no interest in joining Axl full-time.

Are we still discussing this? It's 2006 people!

I apologize. I meant that Izzy was at the show again. Not that Izzy was permanent

yeah it's 2006 and still no change!  :rant:

 :beer:        : ok:     :peace:

why don't you two go suck each other's dicks?

Maybe you should go suck on the HTGTH Rules thread.

what happened to the rule about posting only emoticons?

I really hope something is done about this pair.

Agree, its kinda boring have to search for an interesting post trough all this bullshit. :(

Did anybody feel a bunch of hot air brush over them?

You think so?  :hihi:

I was actually expecting that to happen.

sorry about the insults...but this guy wont give it up.  All about the old band and ruining threads by posting stuff so off-topic, and yet no ban?

no. i think u cant even read his posts.  hes not even talking about the old band.  what is off topic? the fact that axl DID fuck over his fans in 2002?

he didnt even bother to show up in philly 2002. who cares what "buisness" was going on behind the scenes?  he owed the ticket holders. he can get his fat ass out ther and sing the old songs.

he could have stopped that riot if he had wanted to.

fact. he didnt want to perform that night.

fact. he could have played his old 15 year old hits and pleased the people who payed to see that cover band.

fact.  its not off topic.

opinion.. CD will not be out this year.  you may keep BELIVING it wil. but my 2 cents are it wont be out this year.

does the thread title say "axl fucked his fans over in 2002" or "philly 2002"??

and did your mother tell you that CD won`t come out this year?   as far as i know nobody knows what is going to happen.....

and did your mother tell you that CD won`t come out this year?? ?as far as i know nobody knows what is going to happen.....

Good one.? ::)

I can understand people getting sick of others saying things about the old band or things about how this isn't "guns n' roses". That has been discussed to death. But seriously, to beat up on someone for doubting that the album will drop this year is ludicrious. Even with all the positive signs there is still a 50/50 chance for this thing to actually be released this year. We have heard NOTHING in regards to an actual release date (not referring to a potential release "season") nor have we heard anything about what the first single will be or when that will see the light of day. For those that think that the album will just come out with little forewarning or little promotion, you are living in a dream world. Expect at least 2 months (probably 3) heads up before the thing gets released. So far that head's up (management announces release date or single) has not happened.

Once again, don't beat up on people that doubt it will come out, they are not out of line.

Fuck man, you are sounding like a broken record! The title of this topic is "CD Release Date Announcement", nothing at all to do with Philly in 2002! You should take you're negativity and youre cheap shots about "cover bands" and the CD not coming out this year and go and post on the topics about the old band or the tons of other topics about Axl and his way of doing things. That way, you can leave those genuinely excited about the CD coming out to have their bit of fun  :yes:

I think the poster means the fact that sp1at said "There will be an announcement up on the RIR site within 24 hours"...and there was.

That, combined with the fact they called pretty much all the tour dates prior to them actually being announced.

Look, it's a rumor site.? As a rumor site sometimes they get it right, and sometimes they don't.? If you want 100% accuracy, stick with HTGTH's news site.? If you enjoy the speculation and rumors...sp1at's a pretty good place to indulge.

But I agree:? This info should not have been transplanted here.? Sp1at has asked that the rumors not get cross posted to other forums specifically to avoid "discussions" like this.? If you want to discuss sp1at info...go to sp1at.

Fact: You dont deserve to be a Guns N Roses fan!

I feel sorry for you! Mike

I wish people would just shut their trap and quit whining. The concert got cancelled, enough is enough. This is 4 years later, Axl will do as he will. No he will not give a free concert and suck philly's cock.

Except...well....you're not.

You're not stating facts. ?Not entirely, anyway. ?You're stating opionions culled from interepretations based on actual events. ?That's quite something else. ?And the bias in your interpretations is pretty evident. ?I wouldn't, remotely, term you as having an open mind on the subject. ?Nor would I term your "viewpoint" as anything other than typical Axl hater drivel. ?Considering some of your assertions (Axl single handedly fucked up the original line up? ?Really? ?And what great insight leads you to THAT conclusion? ?Seems there is more than enough blame to spread around on that front...) are complete fabrications based on...well...nothing concrete...you'll excuse me if I dismiss you and your opinion as being less than relevant.

And I wouldn't be too quick to jump on the NYT article bandwagon. ?It's littered with inaccuracies. ?There's a thread around, back from around that time, that points many of them out. ?You might want to do yourself a favor and dig it up.

I shouldn't bother replying to him.. he's not here anymore.

Thanks god!

Well, on the prinstscreen that Mandy posted there's a mention about CD being the opening track on the album. I think it's a pretty good choice. :D

You confuse pessamism with realism. ?There's a big difference.

And then you fill your post with speculation, opinion, more speculation, and finish it up with some more opinion. ?And none of it...not one iota of it...has anything to do with the topic at hand.

I was originall going to go over the post and point out how wrong headed some of your opinions are. ?Then I got to the end and realized something: ?It'd be a waste of time. ?Because, in the end, everything you post is diatribe and drivel. ?No matter what evidence there is to the contrary you view your own interpretation, biased and backwards as it is, as the "truth".....and be damned with whatever anyone else thinks. ?You have no respect for anyone else's interpretations, no matter how much better founded they are than yours. ?And you add nothing useful to any discussion because of that....

So I have but one question for you: Why? ?What do you hope to get out of an open discussion forum? ?Seems like you'd be better off talking to yourself, or some insular group that shares your "viewpoint".....

Of course, that's off topic too...I'll kindly head back to the topic trail now.

Edit: Oh, and Adz just pointed out you're banned.  Well, I'll not reply to you anymore then.....had I noticed sooner I wouldn't even have written the reply above.  I'll let it stand now, simply because I don't want to delete it now that it's been posted...

1) Is this thread about the '02 Philly riot or the '02 tour?? Then discussion of it, in this topic, is off topic.? In addition, I might add, there is a nice thread in dead horse all about it.

2) Axl doesn't owe anyone anything.? Tough to hear? Yes.? But he wasn't contracted by the Philly ticketholders to do a show.? He was contracted by CLEARCHANNEL to do a show in Philly.? And the Philly ticketholders contracted with CLEARCHANNEL to attend the show.? So, when things happen, and from some reports those "things" had to do with CC and the business side of things....maybe it's time to start placing the blame a bit closer to a certain megalithic corporation (who no longer promoted concerts, I might add), or at least investigating their involvement, before lynching Axl.? ? If your boss suddenly threatened to cut your salary by 50%, or told you on Monday morning that they were going to fire you on Tuesday....would you show up for work on Monday?? 'Cause that's what's rumored, at least in part, as some of the stuff that was going on behind the scenes.? ? Could Axl have stopped the riot?? Partially, maybe, possibly.? But he wasn't even AT the venue, by all reports, and had let CC know he wasn't going to be there HOURS before CC let the ticketholders know. So we KNOW CC could have....by not opening the doors in the first place until a deal was actually done, or letting people know MUCH sooner than they did.

3) Fact 1 isn't a fact.? All we know is he didn't perform that night.? Whether he wanted to or not isn't a fact in evidence, at all.  Unless you've personally talked to him about it and have something you'd like to share?  He's been pretty tight lipped on the matter, so.....

Fact 2 is partially true....though I think we've established they are not, no matter how much you want them to be, a cover band.

Fact 3 isn't a fact at all.? It IS off topic....for this thread...even though I've wandered down the trail, along with some other posters, with you.

4) Thanks for the opinion.?

dude... there`s a huge difference between people who doubt CD will come out this year and people who "KNOW" CD won`t come out this year....

i have no problem with those i mentioned first...... but i seriously hate the latters : ok:

i thank god (or jarmo/ the responsible mod..) that POV got banned. it was long overdue :peace:

....and i hope estranged2006 is the next one on the list.....

He WAS. Thanks god and Jarmo/ mods. That's why we're nomore responding to their draggy hate posts.

oh   i overlooked that :hihi:

great :beer:

good news i guess huh.sure lookin forward to august then.