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Title: Pressure from the band
Post by: GNVR on July 31, 2006, 07:14:55 PM
Does anyone think Axl Rose gets confronted by band members urging him to release the album.  Everyone has put so much time, energy and dedication into this record that they must get frustrated because it's not seeing the light of day.  Do any of them challenge Axl Rose on the matter or do they just sit around and wait like everyone else?  At some point, they must get tired of the same old BS, playing the same old songs day in and day out.


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: Mandy. on July 31, 2006, 07:18:34 PM
It's Axl's band. They do what they are told to do. If they don't like it, then they might as well leave and Axl will hire someone else. It's what's been happening for the last 10 years.


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: gin hotel on July 31, 2006, 07:18:48 PM
i think they just sit down and shut up and do whatever axl tells them and be greatful there in gnr


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: michaelvincent on July 31, 2006, 07:19:53 PM
The general consensus around here will be 'AXL IS GOD HOW DARE ANYONE, EVEN GOD HIMSELF QUESTION WHAT THE ALMIGHTY AXL IS DOING? NO ONE CROSSES THE BOSS!!!!!11oneoneeleven!'

But you gotta think that at some point some of the guys have said 'dude what the fuck put this thing out already'. Or at least over a beer or two discussed it amongst themselves: 'so Robin...you think this think is ever coming out or are we going to be playing It's So Easy and Nighttrain for the rest of our lives?'


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: michaelvincent on July 31, 2006, 07:20:35 PM
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i think they just sit down and shut up and do whatever axl tells them and be greatful there in gnr

whatever dude, they're grown adults and they helped write the fucking songs. you people are retarded sometimes.


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: Bono on July 31, 2006, 07:25:12 PM
If they don't they should. What would Axl do if they all challenged him and said "hey man let's get the fucking album out already, it sounds great the way it is so let's do it"? Through a tantrum and fire them all? I doubt it. And if they all quit it would aonly look bad on Axl cause that would be 7 more musicians who he drove off. ?We all know that Axl calls the shots but if these guys aren't puting any pressure on him than they damn well should be. the more they continue to do what they're doing the more they themselves start become part of this joke. ?Axl has got to be paying these guys shitloads of money becasue that's really the ony reason I can see for these guys not quiting already. To be honest if it was me I would have quit long ago and gone off to do something more constructive and honest. ?This isn't honest because it's all playing off the name Gn'R. ?But whatever, money talks so......


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: freddiebrph on July 31, 2006, 07:34:41 PM
It's Axl's band. They do what they are told to do. If they don't like it, then they might as well leave and Axl will hire someone else. It's what's been happening for the last 10 years.

Oh yea! Great idea, look how good this has worked so far with all the new music and all! WHATEVER!!!!!!


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: Wicked Demon on July 31, 2006, 07:39:06 PM
Gee, if someone came to me and said, "Hey, I'm going to PAY you to play Paradise City and a bunch of other great rock songs on a world tour..."

There's a lot of us that use many songs on Appetite for regular warm-ups... they are fun as hell to play and sing.

Out of everyone I've jammed with, and out of everyone i've even just talked to about jamming with, i've never heard anyone say "i'm sick of playing those old GNR songs."


It's Axl's band. They do what they are told to do. If they don't like it, then they might as well leave and Axl will hire someone else. It's what's been happening for the last 10 years.

Oh yea! Great idea, look how good this has worked so far with all the new music and all! WHATEVER!!!!!!


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: Axl4Prez2004 on July 31, 2006, 07:40:02 PM
Everything I've read in this thread (okay, almost everything) seems to be contrary to what we've heard from the band through the years. ?It seems the majority of folks here think it's a dictatorship. ?The band members have had nothing but good shit to say about Axl.

I think I'll go with the band.

Has it occurred to anyone here that they are working towards 3 albums and not just one? ?Has it occurred to some of you folks they won't release 1 until they have 3? ?I don't know. ?I just think it's wrong for some of you people to insult the band by calling them lap-dogs. ?They aren't Axl's slaves. ?This is a band, and if you don't like it... ?


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: Mandy. on July 31, 2006, 09:02:38 PM
Everything I've read in this thread (okay, almost everything) seems to be contrary to what we've heard from the band through the years.? It seems the majority of folks here think it's a dictatorship.? The band members have had nothing but good shit to say about Axl.

I think I'll go with the band.

Has it occurred to anyone here that they are working towards 3 albums and not just one?? Has it occurred to some of you folks they won't release 1 until they have 3?? I don't know.? I just think it's wrong for some of you people to insult the band by calling them lap-dogs.? They aren't Axl's slaves.? This is a band, and if you don't like it...?

They are not slaves, nor lap-dogs. They are working, they are getting paid - Axl just happens to be the boss.
Just because you work for someone doesn't make you his lap-dog, slave, whatsoever. And of course they have good shit to say about Axl. Do you truly think they would be playing in his band if they did not like him?


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: Lucky on July 31, 2006, 09:26:05 PM
do you think they could form a union, and go on strike?

that would be a RNR first:)


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: the dirt on July 31, 2006, 09:41:12 PM
do you think they could form a union, and go on strike?

that would be a RNR first:)

A union would never fly. I can't begin to imagine all the legalities involved when it come to thier presence in GNR in the first place.


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: dodger girl on July 31, 2006, 09:43:42 PM
this is something that just popped into my head, it's kind of ridiculous.. but what if it has some truth to it..

what if one of the bandmembers had something to do with the leaks? and in that way induce Axl to speed things up and get the tour and everything else going once and for all?

ok, don't mind me, haha


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: chinesedemocracy05 on July 31, 2006, 09:51:57 PM
i think they just sit down and shut up and do whatever axl tells them and be greatful there in gnr

No.

Guns N' Roses should be a band. THose musicians worked their asses off. GNR is like a new band. They need to prove themselves to the world. This Edition of Guns N' Roses is not popular. They dont need to lick axxls ass because they busted their balls to be in the band. Those 7 musicians (plus Bumble) are all a band. And Richard and tommy and robin and all the other guys are just as much the reason GNr is around as Axl is. The band should have imput on the release and they should be able to talk to Axl about it.

Fuck the band shouldnt shut up. Goddammit!


That was probably very incoherent and i wasnt ranting at you GH its just i hate when people think this should be Axls show only, they are all working their asses off, they just dont get axknowledged like Axl.


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: bazgnr on July 31, 2006, 10:33:14 PM
Everything I've read in this thread (okay, almost everything) seems to be contrary to what we've heard from the band through the years. ?It seems the majority of folks here think it's a dictatorship. ?The band members have had nothing but good shit to say about Axl.

I think I'll go with the band.

Has it occurred to anyone here that they are working towards 3 albums and not just one? ?Has it occurred to some of you folks they won't release 1 until they have 3? ?I don't know. ?I just think it's wrong for some of you people to insult the band by calling them lap-dogs. ?They aren't Axl's slaves. ?This is a band, and if you don't like it... ?

I agree with that.  I think part of being in the band entails an understanding of "the big picture," what Axl's vision is, etc.   Once you sign up, it's pretty much understood.   Within those parameters, I doubt very much it's anything like a dictatorship.  On stage, they look like a band, sound like a band, and play like a band.  It's far from "Axl + backup musicians" when they hit the stage...


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: Chief on August 01, 2006, 12:38:14 AM
as far as the band goes i dont think they are all "yes men".  tommy got into a fight with Axl and he mentioned it at one of the NY shows.  Robin has left the band before but returned. there are probably many other incidents we don't know about...


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: Tomorrows on August 01, 2006, 03:13:01 AM
Im amazed people think the band is NOT totally under the thumb of Axl.


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: WARose on August 01, 2006, 04:12:28 AM
Im amazed people think the band is NOT totally under the thumb of Axl.

" they`re very opinionated guys" -axl   


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: blaqktiger on August 01, 2006, 04:33:03 AM
The longer the band stay together the more confidence the band will have questioning Axl... You can't tell me Tommy doesn't give Axl a piece of his mind from time to time?  :hihi:


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: michaelvincent on August 01, 2006, 07:53:44 AM
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Im amazed people think the band is NOT totally under the thumb of Axl.

I'm amazed that there are people who actually believe that Axl Rose is something above human that has some sort of magical powers that allow him absolute god-like control over his bandmates. Idiots. Every last one of you.

Axl Rose is a human being who sings in a band. That's all. He has no more control over Tommy Stinson or Robin Finck or Richard Fortus or Brain or Ron Thal, etc. than anyone else on this board does. Of course they speak their minds, they helped write the fucking album, Axl himself has said on more than one occassion that Chinese Democracy is a very collaborative album. If Axl really had the mind-controlling super powers some of you whack jobs think he does the original band would still be together and doing everything the way Axl wanted to back when he vibed the rest of his bandmates right out of GnR.

Finck already left once, don't forget. Anyone remember why? Right it was because he got sick of sitting around waiting for his hard work to pay off. Anyone care to venture a guess why Buckethead eventually bailed? I'm willing to bet sitting around waiting for the album to come out played a part.


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: Gargh! on August 01, 2006, 08:37:18 PM
Did Robin not write most of Better?  I'm sure I read that somewhere on here.  If so, and assuming that all the other musicians have invested some of their own material in the record, surely they must want their work to pay off.

As has been said many times before, this lineup is backs to the wall in terms of popularity - so many people: casual fans, press folk, diehards for the old lineup etc. see this as Axl + hired hands.  That may have been (and I think was) the case in 2002, but now it is a band, and long may that continue.  These guys have worked their arses off for the new album, so I think they have the right to opinions about it - I also think that Axl realises and respects this.


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: johnnythunders24 on August 01, 2006, 10:11:55 PM
maybe in the past...i think everyone is happy now


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on August 01, 2006, 10:14:10 PM
Everything I've read in this thread (okay, almost everything) seems to be contrary to what we've heard from the band through the years. ?It seems the majority of folks here think it's a dictatorship. ?The band members have had nothing but good shit to say about Axl.

I think I'll go with the band.

Has it occurred to anyone here that they are working towards 3 albums and not just one? ?Has it occurred to some of you folks they won't release 1 until they have 3? ?I don't know. ?I just think it's wrong for some of you people to insult the band by calling them lap-dogs. ?They aren't Axl's slaves. ?This is a band, and if you don't like it... ?


Agree with this.  I think maybe earlier on there may have been some questioning of Axl, and everything. But this current situation I believe was well-spelled out by Axl back in March and everyone involved knows exactly what the plan is........we're just not allowed to know


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: liesin on August 02, 2006, 12:50:29 PM
This is a fucking band!

Sure Axl pulls a lot of strings but there's always a leader!


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: requiem156 on August 02, 2006, 01:20:13 PM
There are definitely 2 ways to look at the situation in gnr right now - the band aspect of it, and the business aspect. On one hand, Axl has committed a lot to this situation, and since everyone considers him a dictator, he has the most at stake if it fails. Also, he owns the rights to the band name. On the other hand, they all have to stand in a room together and play the songs, they are writing together, and considering that most of these guys have, or could have, very satisfying careers outside of gnr, we can logically assume that they are staying for some reason other than the money. I'd be inclined to assume that it's a first among equals situation - Axl wants these people in the band, they want to be there, but when the chips are down, he can put his foot down and they can leave or not. Of course, he doesn't want to do that, because part of the success of this whole gnr resurgence rests on the idea that fans can see the new band as something other than sidemen. It sounds complicated to me.


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: GhettoBlaster on August 02, 2006, 01:25:15 PM
There are definitely 2 ways to look at the situation in gnr right now - the band aspect of it, and the business aspect. On one hand, Axl has committed a lot to this situation, and since everyone considers him a dictator, he has the most at stake if it fails. Also, he owns the rights to the band name. On the other hand, they all have to stand in a room together and play the songs, they are writing together, and considering that most of these guys have, or could have, very satisfying careers outside of gnr, we can logically assume that they are staying for some reason other than the money. I'd be inclined to assume that it's a first among equals situation - Axl wants these people in the band, they want to be there, but when the chips are down, he can put his foot down and they can leave or not. Of course, he doesn't want to do that, because part of the success of this whole gnr resurgence rests on the idea that fans can see the new band as something other than sidemen. It sounds complicated to me.

i agree.
the guys in the band wouldn't be part of GnR if it wasn't something they wanted to make a priority in their own individual creative output..


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: Mutherfunker on August 02, 2006, 01:40:53 PM
There are definitely 2 ways to look at the situation in gnr right now - the band aspect of it, and the business aspect. On one hand, Axl has committed a lot to this situation, and since everyone considers him a dictator, he has the most at stake if it fails. Also, he owns the rights to the band name. On the other hand, they all have to stand in a room together and play the songs, they are writing together, and considering that most of these guys have, or could have, very satisfying careers outside of gnr, we can logically assume that they are staying for some reason other than the money. I'd be inclined to assume that it's a first among equals situation - Axl wants these people in the band, they want to be there, but when the chips are down, he can put his foot down and they can leave or not. Of course, he doesn't want to do that, because part of the success of this whole gnr resurgence rests on the idea that fans can see the new band as something other than sidemen. It sounds complicated to me.

I agree, and....

How 'bout this for a crazy idea: THE BAND ARE PERFECTLY HAPPY ABOUT THE ALBUM RELEASE SITUATION, AND DON'T GIVE A SHIT HOW QUICKLY IT HAPPENS!!!!  :o :o :o

They are not us - thirsting for new material from GNR - and although they may want us to have the album sooner rather than later, it's release date probably has very little impact on their personal lives.

@#$%Funker


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: madagas on August 02, 2006, 01:52:01 PM
the release date will have major impact on their financial lives and personal lives...are you kidding? ::)


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: requiem156 on August 02, 2006, 02:35:51 PM
the release date will have major impact on their financial lives and personal lives...are you kidding? ::)

I think that remains to be seen.


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: ppbebe on August 02, 2006, 02:47:34 PM
How nice to see some of the comments here.
Axl4Prez, Do you remember the days when only a few of us debating to death to refute the "this is Axl solo act " theory?  ;D was fun tho.

Everything I've read in this thread (okay, almost everything) seems to be contrary to what we've heard from the band through the years.  It seems the majority of folks here think it's a dictatorship.  The band members have had nothing but good shit to say about Axl.

I think I'll go with the band.

Has it occurred to anyone here that they are working towards 3 albums and not just one?  Has it occurred to some of you folks they won't release 1 until they have 3?  I don't know.  I just think it's wrong for some of you people to insult the band by calling them lap-dogs.  They aren't Axl's slaves.  This is a band, and if you don't like it... 

I agree with that.  I think part of being in the band entails an understanding of "the big picture," what Axl's vision is, etc.   Once you sign up, it's pretty much understood.   Within those parameters, I doubt very much it's anything like a dictatorship.  On stage, they look like a band, sound like a band, and play like a band.  It's far from "Axl + backup musicians" when they hit the stage...

Yep, tommy said the ballzy goals of axl had him decided to be in.
no not visions. He also said axl didn't have any vision (to dictate to other members.) : ok:

On topic Tommy once said it would be like barking at wrong tree. In other words, he and prolly other members have known why it takes time and such.




Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: JDA on August 02, 2006, 03:03:36 PM
I hope they put pressure on him.  It is their band too now.  They deserve to see it come out. 


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: ppbebe on August 02, 2006, 03:09:09 PM
I hope they put pressure on him.   

which would be like barking up the wrong tree, according to Tommy.


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: Lucky on August 02, 2006, 03:16:32 PM
I hope they put pressure on him.? It is their band too now.? They deserve to see it come out.?


just like buckethead did...


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: ppbebe on August 02, 2006, 03:22:43 PM
I hope they put pressure on him.  It is their band too now.  They deserve to see it come out. 


just like buckethead did...

Did he? How?


Title: Re: Pressure from the band
Post by: Mattattack on August 02, 2006, 03:49:31 PM
This is a GnR cover band until "Chinese Democracy" comes out. Axl still holds all the cards until the album comes out. When the album comes out, these guys stand to make some serious dough, and gain some serious fame. Once this happens, this could shift the balance of control in the band. These guys may not be so willing to eat the amount of shit they have to eat to keep this band going, and quit on Axl. I stole the part about eating shit from the GnR Behind the Music, but I wouldn't be surprised if this band implodes after the Chinese Democracy tour. I personally hope this band sticks together, minus Bumblefoot, but it wouldn't surprise me if things went tits up.