Here Today... Gone To Hell!

They just interviewed Axl on kroq! it just ended but heres some info on what was said.
-He talked about how he's had fun during the Euro tour and how people were great.
- He said the set list varies based on the vibe of the crowd and how they dont change it to mucch. but they have about 4 to7 songs to choose from.
-He wanted to add shows to this tour.
-He said he's not bored with the older songs eventhough he's no longer on the night train.
-He said he was injured with a mucle spasm in the hip for most of the tour but now he's got it all worked out.
-Hes very excited about the inland invasion and said the vegas and sf shows are warm ups.

NO cd info

I CAN HELP HIM WORK OUT THAT HIP PROBLEM LOL.

thanks rhiad!!! :beer:

cheers :beer:

Always good to hear.

Bit of a understatement ain't it ?:hihi:

Interesting

It's going to be interesting to see how things turn out in the forth coming months.

oh yeah, they asked him about Alice in Chains and he said he met Jerry Cantrall but didnt catch the band live eventhough they played the same festival. He said he surprised about how they are drawing a youger crowd. And, as the tour goes on they'll add newer songs to the setlist.

That last bit about adding newer songs is pretty interesting.? I wonder what that means as far as singles being released and whatnot.

Ali

what is kroq ?
a radio station an were is at ??

The radio station hosting Inland Invasion in LA.

Ali

Another exciting thing was that, they asked Axl if he'd miss his flexible schedule of having a lot of time off. He said it was the oposite and wants to get out there play shows!

thankz i didn't know that till just now.

kewl. warm up shows  ;D
new songs  ;D

Thanks for letting us know, rhiad! Appreciated!

did anyone record this?

Yea can we get an mp3 please like last time?

when is Trunk's show? maybe we hear him there also  : ok:

Tonight in NY I do believe around 11PM.

Yup: http://www.eddietrunk.com/radio.php

"This show is called "Friday Night Rocks" in NYC and airs live on Q104.3 (NYC, NJ, LI, CT) from 11PM-2AM every Friday. This program also runs on affiliate stations and worldwide on www.KNAC.com on tape delay. For a full listing of places and ways to hear this show, see "Syndication" on this site. It is available nationwide live or on tape delay through KGB Radio Networks and also known as "Eddie Trunk Rocks". For syndication info contact me through this site, thanks. You can hear this show LIVE ONLINE anywhere in the world by going to www.q1043.com and clicking on "Listen Live" from 11PM-2AM Friday nights NYC time. 
 

8/17/06: In addition to Rob Zombie as a guest this week, I will also have a bunch of free tix to major shows including Iron Maiden (NJ & LI dates), Gigantour (NJ & LI dates) and Alice In Chains in NYC at Nokia. Listen to win!
 
8/17/06: Rob Zombie will check in live from LA on this weeks show. Lot's going on with Rob, he just finished a tour with Anthrax and is headed out with Godsmack soon. He also is directing a new version of the film Haloween. Rob is a great guy and a big metal fan so it should be fun to have him on for a few minutes this Friday

8/18. I'll be on from 7PM-Midnight Saturday 8/19 on Q104.3 NYC. This is not my metal show, regular format. I PROMISE, satellite news VERY soon....."

Thanks Will... I guess it will be like 4 or 5 AM in London, but who knows... Mr. Rose i usually awake at that times :hihi:

That's odd.. but thatd be kick ass if Axl has an interview with trunk again.. he's still in london, i beleive... is that confirmed?

Thanks rhiad! Hopefully we might be hearing some audio later.  : ok:

cheers for that... its good to see axl so positive about everything, wanting to ADD shows and such. its great.

11PM-2AM in NY will be 4AM-7AM in London and 5AM-8AM in Paris, Madrid, Rome, etc.

Does anybody else find the lack of CD news alarming?
I am all over the US tour, but you would think there would be a mention of it. If it is not out during the tour, I would love to know what this is a tour for? To promote what? The gold re-issue of AFD?

Not alarming, but kinda weird for sure. Of course, it will be out when it's ready, but I think it's very, very risky to go on tour in the US without an album, or at least a single out on the radio or a confirmed release date...

Even announcing the US tour without album news is going to be a big disappointment. :(

Yeah. Even if he said something like "CD is still on track for fall" or something to that nature would be great. But silence when it comes to CD at this time with the tour gearing up is just dumb. They could use this time for a major marketing attack.

I agree with Rancid Punx. ?This is ridiculous. ?If hes there for an interview about the tour, take the next step and ask him about the album. ?Dont be scared of him, but the longer we're all left completely in the dark the worse off its gonan be. ?Great to hear theyll be adding more shows but come on, throw us a bone here.

no offence to rhiad, but have we got a second source on this yet?

If they add TWAT, CITR and Rhiad on the setlist, it would be the newer songs he talked about? :nervous:

I agree. ?That would be a disappointment. ?However, I'm guessing that in this interview, Axl answered what he was asked. ?If they didn't ask him about the album, he wouldn't have any reason just to bring it up on his own. ?That's not his job to steer the interview.

But, I say wait until if and when there is an announcement on the tour in its entirety. ?Then, if there is no mention of the album, then I think it's fair to be disappointed after what Axl said on Trunk's show.

Ali

Or he could have told them no CD questions.

Just so ya'll know.. I'll record the stream of Trunk's show tonight, but someone else should probably do it too, incase i mess it up. i've recorded a stream once before, and it worked.. but u can never be too sure.

IF he does do Trunk, i'm sure trunk will ask him about CD.. seems that guy knows how to ask the right questions...

Why would Axl be on Trunk tonight?

GNR's not coming to the Eastern US any time soon, he was on KROQ to promote the West Coast shows.

Nobody else heard it? Can anyone confirm it?

That's true, but either way, no questions asked about the album means no information on the album is divulged.

Ali

Why not? (What else to say? There is always hope... Last time he was at KROQ few days after Trunk, so maybe this time he will be on Trunk after KROQ, whatever... maybe he will announce East Coast dates at Trunk. Who knows?)

Maybe Trunks show just has nothink to do wit this. And also can anyone else confirm this, so far (no offence) only 1 person claims to have heard this

You would think he would bring it up himself. Isnt he suppose to be excited about his work? Wants to share it? I mean your touring again.. Usually touring is for promoting something.. hmm like an album. He should be talking about it and if Axl Rose starts openly talking about CD the buzz will start.

This whole "an album needs to be released for a tour to be valid" line of thinking seems flawed to me.? If the European tour proved anything, it's that GNR does not necessarily need a new album for a tour to be successful.? I know a lot of you want to think otherwise, but a GNR tour means one thing: money.? GNR can still successfully tour and make money without a new album.? People will still pay $90 and up to hear the hits and could care less whether they're not playing TWAT or Better.?

If you think of GNR as a corporation, as a brand name, you can understand why Axl and co. would continue to tour without an album.? I love it how GNR fans seem more concerned about Axl's career than he seems himself.? It's not your career, so what do you care?? Let's be honest, this isn't frustration over GNR touring without an album release.? This is more about frustration about the album not be released period.?

Bottom line: it's his career, let him worry about it.? Go live your life and stop obsessing over his.

may I buy you a beer?  :beer:

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but for one thing, I think America is going to be tougher and less forgiving than Europe.

Ali

I dont care when they release the album, it would be good if they would just release a single  :o
in a few days  :confused:

Did they say anything about playing this interview again?  I remember the last interview could be accessed on the site.

Would be great

regarding Trunk Show: just got email from Mr. Trunk and he said probably not!

Inland Invasion, cool lineup, shitty fucking venue...Vegas Baby Vegas...Saturday night on the floor, hope to see all you fuckers that can make it there!

Amen to that!

thats a good enough no for me

so is axl back in US now or what or was it a long distance interview

Still only one person who heard this interview...? ?:-\

That's what concerns me.

Its not exactly hard to call KROQ for verification...

Common sense, folks. Common sense.

went on kroqs website and NOTHING bout an axl interview...if this guy made this topic up--TIME TO BAN.........if its true, i want an mp3

I'm sure thousands pf people heard the interview...just not people from this board...i think its a crappy radio station, so I dont listen to it day in and day out just for a chance of hearing Axl...Why would he make it up? He didn't say anything too remarkable anyways...noww if he said that Axl said a release date for Chinese Democracy, then I would have my doubts...

really?! not many people are interested in that station even with them hosting the gig that brings GnR back to LA for the first live gig in a dozen years ??? If i lived there I would be glued to that station for updates :yes:

lol, I know what your saying, but theres really no updates to expect, we know they are playing, and yes, I want a mp3 of the interview too, all Im saying is that it doesn't surprise me we don't have one. Have you listened to KROQ beofre? The playlist there sucks...Half the time I couldn't even classify it as a "rock" station

I've heard K-Rock out of detroit...is it the same chain? anyway I like the Detroit one :-\

no no... go to www.kroq.com   and click "listen live" and listen for about 15 minutes and tell me what you think

well I"m not gonna sign up but the playlist looks pretty standard to me for a current rock station..I like a little more classic tunes than that but i wouldn't be totally unable to listen :hihi:

If this interview really happened and no mention of CD was made at all then I think that the chances of seeing this album in 2006 just diminished a lot.  And to think I bet my friend a 100$ that this album would be out this year! :rant:

ROFL!? :crying:

Well at one point it really looked like it would be.  I know there is still time but I'm starting to think I better start saving my money so I can pay up at the end of the year.   :-\

lol really, it aint looking too good at the moment  ;)

I know.  Oh well lesson learned that is for sure.

Yep. Lesson learned. Wanna bet it won't come out in '07 either?  :hihi: :hihi:

Great that Axl said"las vegas are warmup shows"

he hasnt said anything as far as i am concernced cuz i am still waiting for an mp3 like everyone else..as far as i know this interview is as real as the axl/slash reunion rumors from 5 months ago

Yes an mp3 of the interview or someone in America ring up the radio station and ask if it actually happened. If it did not happen the person who started this thread should be instantly banned! (I'm not saying he is lying but there does need to be more proof)

he'll just get a few negative karmas. i kinda believe this though. He didnt exagerate or anything.

that doesn`t really add to his credibility imo.....

it`s a matter of view...

i`m not saying he`s lying though... just that i don`t completely believe this interview happened at the moment.

Why not? It's not like he gave the release date or anything.

http://www.kroq.com/indexii.html

Click on the link ("Axl Rose is ready for the Inland Invasion") on the right hand side of the page.

i`m always a little skeptical about things :hihi:

I can't see it... Can you copy and paste the text here?

Settle down everyone. News of an album will be announced when Axl is ready to announce it. The fact that Axl gave an interview and said nothing of an album means nothing, one way or the other.

theres nothing. what are you trying to pull?

I'll pass if you don't mind. ? :peace:

Sorry, the web-site uses the same links for multiple pages (it's framed).? Try this.? It should open up in Windows Media Player.

mms://kroq.wmod.llnwd.net/a168/o1/kbaudio/axl_rose.asf

Ah thanks so much for that link!

dont work for me, where did u go?

Works for me man thanks!

Thanks.. I'm gonna record it and post the mp3. ;)

Thanks Voodoo.. Listening now. Rhiad, didnt lie, people ;)

Good stuff.

i feel so ghey and left out.. this sucks..

frozen inferno . . .

Try loading this page:
http://www.kroq-data.com/kevinandbean/sounds.asp

On the right-hand side is a photo of Axl. ?Beside it is this text: "Axl Rose is ready for the Inland Invasion: ?click here". ?Click on the link within that text. ?It should pop up Windows Media Player for you.

thats great!

found it. thanks a lot.

thanks  : ok:

thanks alot for the link!!! : ok:

i like it at the end when the presenters say bye & Axl says "Have A Great Day"  :hihi:

Why would rhiad have lied about this? Come on people, trust your fellow GN'R fans sometimes. :)

Edit: I love the recent Axl pic on KROQ's site! loool Come on guys at KROQ, it's not 1992 anymore! Hellooooo!!

axl says they`re gonna announce it soon...  but it doesn`t sound like a single announcement :no:

He says he talks to "Jerry" (of Alice in Chains) I wounder if Duff came into the convosation. The annoying thing is he did a European tour and he's still in England, why not ring up a UK radio station, to talk chris moyles he'll give you a good time ?:hihi:

those dj's sucked. nice interview though.

For those who can't catch the stream or wants to save it:


http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=7C71064474439E92

why wouldnt he? i would have if i could be bothered to come up with hoaxes.

i think by now we should all be sceptical of gnr/axl news - no matter how well this year has gone, we're a sect that has been burned more than most.

but its nice that rhiad was genuine. axl doing promo, and from the otherside of the atlantic (never mind country), is just further evidence that he has his head in the right place this time round.

what i also found interesting was when he said that he didn`t like to play the old songs some years ago or something along the lines of that. i think it`s quite obvious he`s enjoying his past now more than some years ago.

7 new songs in a show!!!! ok lets say TWAT, THe blues, IRS, Better, Chi Dem, erm Madagascar, erm rhiad. Wow surely hes suggesting new songs will be played.

yeah  that was cool as well : ok:


maybe chinese democracy is going to be a live album....

Go fuck yourself

the WHOLE PURPOSE of this band is new music...if i want recycled old shit i will listen/watch live era and the tokyo dvd's

 :rofl: makes sense, spending 13 years to have the perfect show to release ?:rofl:

Its gonna be real lame if this album isnt out by the end of the yr and they continue to tour without one.

I just dont get what the fuck his problem is if that ends up to be the case. Go finish the dam album then tour. If you dont wanna finish the album, fine, but dont tour either. Its getting old now.

oh yeah it`s getting really old now...  but the year isn`t over yet though

to me it makes perfect sense to debut the single at the vmas. Release it the next day. DO the warm ups and kick off the US Tour at that kroq show. And then release the album sometime in October. Why is that so hard?

and if vmas are too soon, fine...then debut the single at the kroq show and release the album in late oct/nov....

instead we are gonna get the same setlists. a descent sized us tour witht he same set! and no album...not good....

Is it just me, or did it seem like Axl was almost admitting that he can't top the old stuff, and that he's cool with playing the old stuff again, although it bugged him when he was recording the album? I just thought that was a little weird when he was talking about playing the old stuff.

not really.. but just that he realizes that people have Huge reactions to it and they pretty much have to do some of the old material in the shows even if he isn't in that same space these days..

Sounds alot like the Monsters of Rock tour that came through town with Poison and Cinderella headlining. They drew real good sized crowds and played a nostalgic set list. People had a great time and all was well. Thing is, GNR wants to at some point become a non-nostalgic, relevant act again.

Yet another U.S. tour with no album release will put them dangerously close to being seen as a nostalgia act touring around on songs that were popular 15-20 years ago like Poison does.

Stop the madness and the negativety.


There is no need for Axl to talk about the release of the new cd prior to a concert that will happen prior to its release.


Just relax. ?The songs for the cd have been completed. ?What remained was the final selection of the tracks for the first cd. ?This is where Chinese Demopcracy stood while they were touring Europe. ?That task may have been accomplished. ?Final product may be in the works as we speak for Axl to review once he returns to the states............soon I'm sure. ?

There's no need to get all worked up. ?Stay positive. ?This ball is still rolling in the right direction.

The album will definitely come out at some point. If Axl wanted to be a nostalgia act he would just ring up Slash. Axl could make way more money and play to way more people if he reformed the old band. Bottom line is that Axl cares about the music more then anything else and he will do things in his own unique way. I'm just glad I didn't bet anybody that the album was coming out this year.

IMO, he hinted about cd being done or close when he said how he was searching for a direction in the recordings...

Also, if he said he'll add more new songs on the tour, I'm pretty sure he'll do it within the release of at least a single and/or b-sides.

I'd never ever bet money on when CD will be released. I was sure it would be out in 2001, then again in 2002, and again it looks like this might be the year, but we can never know for sure, I became really really skeptical over the years about the release of the album, so I just don't hold my breath anymore :)

DJ: How did you go about putting the setlist together for this? Tell people what they're gonna see when they come out to the Guns N' Roses rock show on the 23rd of September. You're doing a lot of the old stuff. How much new stuff are you doing?

Axl: It varies, sometimes four to six new songs. Maybe seven. Umm, right now, and that'll grow as we beging touring. More songs, or new songs.




/jarmo

i refuse to give up hope that cd WILL come out this year!  : ok:

from a business side of it , one not discussed yet , if any album is to be released , it has to have time to be packaged and mass mailed to massive retail outlets......the final product is upon us.Say if it is november , the mastering is done now , and massive production would reumne anytime now one would think , right in time a for a tour , or shortyl shortly there after.


think about it......

So the 4-6 are Chinese Democracy, The Blues, Madagascar, TWAT, IRS, and Better. Whats the "maybe 7" part of it? The fact that they had Rhiad as a possibility on some setlists? The possibility that they might have planned playing Catcher in the Rye if Brian May had shown up on time? Or maybe he's counting one of the new covers like Sway or back in the Fuckin UK...

Probably Rhaid

That should excite people. I doubt Silk Worms or Oh My God are going to do a comeback, so aside CITR, there's a real good chance to hear new material very soon.



Yeah, it's probably a placeholder like it was during the '02 tour. They only did it in Detroit, and were reportedly supposed to in Vancouver. Likely a B-side, that one, otherwise I think they'd keep playing it more often.

Riyadh and The Bedouins - it's already been confirmed that they've rehearsed it.

said they'd be adding more new songs as the us tour goes on...thats good news

hes in a great mood in this!! he said "have a nice day!"  :D

I HATE when people start talking abot the old songs and say it is okay for this gnr to do it again. They say, Yea man, poison and cinderella do it ?and pull in big crowds, why cant gnr?" Very simple, This is a NEW BAND. If Axl wants to tour old songs, than he might as well let the guys who wrote the music play them, Why bring new guys to cover the old bands music? Any one can do that. We need the cd before the tour PERIOD! anything else, and it will fail.

Sorry if I started this topic with no link or verification. I was trying to type as fast as I could before the Vegas presale went up. I 've been a member for years but rarely post, sorry for any undeserved "pre- link"confusion. thanks to whomever posted the link. See you guys in Vegas! oh yeah, I hope one of the 4-7 newer songs to be played will be RHIAD! haha

awesome interview!!! it's really great to hear Axl doing fine and being so well spirited about this whole tour :love:

you can tell he's enjoying himself, he's in a great state of mind and things are finally coming together.. I have faith :peace:

cant wait to see more shows come up

Axl talks about having too much free time since the European tour is over.  Well I've got a suggestion for him to fill up his free time.  One that will please everyone I think.  RELEASE THE ALBUM ONCE AND FOR ALL!  And promote it.  Jeez!

"Free Time" = obsessing over which order the tracks will be on the CD, which tracks will be on the first rather than the 2nd CD, and what color shade he wants one small part of the cover of the album to be.

And to think that might be true.  *lol*

Just to give you an idea of how it may be starting to be a little late for an October release.  The Canadian band The Tragically Hip have announced that their single will hit radio in 2 weeks and their new album will hit stores on October 17 2006.  See they are letting their fans know about the new music that they will put out.  And they are letting us know in advance.  How nice of them.   : ok:  Get the hint GNR?

If new songs are played lets hope the bootleggers are out in full force.

Its ok... Thanks, im glad the interview was for real... : ok:

Cool interview.  Sounds like he's still in London

Guys, this is soooooo good.

Axl says they have 4-6, maybe 7 new songs as part of the possible set list (which we know about), and this will grow as the tour progresses.

This can only mean more new songs on this tour, and surely an indication that CD is coming.

This is nothing but positive!

@#$%Funker

Thanks Voodoo i needed that!

Agreed. I think those out there that expect Axl to give the release date, future show information, tracklisting, etc. in a small radio interview (the purpose of which is to promote a concert) or on stage at a concert, or on the street, etc. need to just sit back for a little while and relax. It's not gonna be something small scale like a short interview (at least I don't think so). However, in a short interview he may drop a hint or two like the one above. It's coming guys, just chill out a bit. Everytime a concert date gets announced or Axl is seen somewhere and there is no news of CD a number of people seem to flip out and call for Axl's head. We've been so patient for so many years. I say we be patient for a few more months. If we hear nothing by December than I think it would be okay to be dissapointed.

Maybe no announcement about album is to keep bootleggers off guard, so if and when it is being mixed or goes into mass production there are few who know.  I imagine at some point before the release date the whole album will be leaked.

Overall I thought this was extremely positive. If they're playing new songs the album is definitely going to be released during the next tour.

If it's in the hands of the record company Axl may not even know the release date yet, since they're the ones that usually make this kind of decision.

I read the last 7 pages of posts. I dont know why people are talking crap. I thought it was a great interview. Axl says that the first few shows in the U.S are warm ups. There will be a full blown U.S Tour.  People who are true Guns fans that live in the U.S should be jerking off!!! I cant wait till they roll thru Dallas, Tx. I dont give a damn if they change the setlist. anyone who has ever seen Axl in concert knows that they will get their monies worth when he comes to town. When they play the A.A.C here in Dallas it will be amazing!!!

ITS BLATANTLY OBVIOUS THE INTERVIEWERS SIGNED A DISCLAIMER TO SAY THEY WOULDNT ASK ABOUT CD.

4-7 new songs = Blues, Madagascar, CD, Better, IRS, TWAT, Rhyad.  :drool:

with absolutley no mention of the album in the interview whatsoever ???? I find it bizarre..

You find no mention of CD bizarre?

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Sorry dude, but that was funny. Seriously tho - more Axl, more dates to come, more new songs. Add it up - (glass half full) CD is coming.

@#$%funker

yes well, I just hope he starts acknowledging its existence a little more  :-\

The question is.  Does it really exist?  One has to wonder at this point.

well we've heard the demos. ofcourse it exists..  :P

i just lisened to the interview.he is absalutly adorable .i can't even say how adorable he sounds.pretty kool by the way too. :-* :P  yeah it left me with my tounge hangin out '

Althought far behind, Me too am listening to it now.
Thanks voodoo, chindem and everyone provided the links.
and rhiad, ta!

I thought Axl might have picked up some british accent by now. but damn :hihi:

Odd that ANY dj wouldn't ask him about CD release date or at least mention the album....but he asks about Alice in Chains? hehe.  Time will tell.

Great lineup at the show on the 23rd...tempted to go see it. 

it concerns me axl gave no cd info for this interview. it makes me wonder if it really will come out this year like he promised eddie trunk it would  :no:

Unfortunately I'm reaching the point where I don't expect the album to come out...its just a very nice surprise if it does

That doesn't mean I'm not pissed off about it though!

this makes me ever more sad because axl promised it would come out and now it won't  :no:  :crying:

never any cd info.. How can you interview axl rose who played a rehash tour times two and still not as k about singles, videos or the albums.. is everyone that fucking gay..

But axl could at least confirm the art work is done for cd. which he has never confirmed. he could show us the cover of the cd for a preview which he has yet to do. he could reveal the complete track listing of the cd which he has yet to do either. he could do alot of things including tell the official release date of cd and also what the first single is to hear on radio. but he hasnt done this either. so its not this rehash because the truth is axl has answered nothing to these questions keeping gnr fans in the dark.  :no:

I don't think interviewers should bother interviewing Axl if they are not prepared to ask him about the album

At the very least Axl needs to show his fans that he's enthusiastic and optomistic about the idea of releasing the album. Even when the Rolling Stone journalist interviewed him at the Korn party he didn't come across as very excited...

You know, the DJ never asked him about CD, and so there was no talk of CD.

It could be that the DJs just didn't want to bother him with the question.

It's not like they asked about it, and Axl refused to answer.

I wouldn't worry about the difference between this interview and Trunk's - they actually asked him about the album.

@#$%Funker

Axl confirmed that the tracklist the track order and the cover art work were all done in 02 and we still got no album, for all we know the artwork could well still be the same, but even if he did mention these things it's no sure thing that the albums on its way.

The first US shows will indicate alot imo, if the setlist has changed very little and there are no new songs (songs we so far haven't heard) then it doesn't bode too well for CD appearing this year.


If the talk turned to new songs then surely an album question is the logical followup to that? The DJ's would definately want to bother him with such a big question imagine the scoop if these DJ's were the ones to get Axl to give a release date. Either they were told not to ask because a special already organised announcement is due at a later date or because CD progress has halted and won't be out soon which isn't good promotion with shows to sell.

Doesn't it worry you a little Axl isn't trying to plug it?

If it was so close to being released you'd expect him to talk about it now and them, unprompted

Expect the same setlist.

I am........sadly  :no:

Why do they need 4 'warm up' shows? Its not like its been 4yrs since the last show!

i agree because they already had warm up shows at hammerstein so why need more at this time? it doesnt make sense please axl release the cd for the love of god please  :no:  :crying:

just saw a poster at spencers. guns n roses is their artist of the month. it says chinese democracy comming this fall.

whooooooooooooooooooooooo this is spectacular news  :beer: but can you provide concrete proof of this so i know it's for real?  ???

i was at spencers yesterday, i didnt get to see anything.

the ad is in the new revolver magazine too

It's just a suspected release timeframe.

they are the artist of the month at spencers for sept. i believe it is gonna come out , do you think they would let them print that in the ads if there wasnt some truith to it? my buddy works for mtv, he doesnt care for guns n roses, but he told me there is supose to be some kind of comercial during the vma's. we will have to wait & see.

a promo for CD during VMA's is what ur saying??

Yes, I think it could happen.

i dont know he didnt tell me. his exact words were " theres some comercial for gnr for ?the vma's, but everybody is very hush , hush about that ?crap". i asked him to find out more for me. so we shall see.

Here's the link to the Spencer's Ad:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=34437.msg683812#msg683812



I think the "CD in stores this fall" is from when Axl said something like that during the Trunk interview. ?:yes:

there you go very cool ad. i for once think this thing is really gonna happen. he better not blow this chance!!!!

wat did u mean about the commercial thing? wat "kinda" commercial?

i have no clue. i wish my friend liked guns n roses, but he doesnt so he could care less. we'll just have to see what it is.

we'll just have to wait and see

UUGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!  >:( >:( >:(

Could well be just advertising the tour of the US like they did during the adverts when they showed download in the UK.

We've seen this same rumor since the late 90's.

the KROQ guys may not have asked about the album because Axl's people may have told them not to ask about it.  It is fairly standard for publicists/managers to let interviewers know what topics (if any) are off-limits.  It wouldn't surprise me if Axl were sick to death about being asked that question.  Otherwise, it was pretty shocking for the KROQ guys not to ask a single question about CD . . . .

Oh no!  Poor Axl is sick to death about being asked about CD. :crying:  Gimme a freaking break.  If he is so sick of it then all he has to do is release it once and for all.  I have no pity whatsoever for him on this.  He promised an album by fall, late fall and therefore at this point in time he should be asked about the album.  Especially since it's been 7 years in the making.

well, I'm not saying he does (or does not) deserve sympathy.  Just providing a possible explanation for why the KROQ guys didn't ask the magical (and obvious) question.  They also could just be idiots: they sounded like typical radio guys, who just can't be quiet for a second.

It could very well be they are idiots and did not ask about it.  There is also a possibility they were told not to ask about it and if that is the case well again I think things are bein poorly handled and managed in the gnr camp.  But I'm not the manager so....

I agree ten thousand percent.. Just fucking finish teh damn album, only taking forever.. Enough with these yesteryear cover tours.. Give the band an identity and release the debut already..

he could have said this song is going to be our first single during this european leg, he could have said something wroth while for once.. he wants to be taken seriously yet he never talks about anything relevant..

i guess the album is not ready yet thats why he didnt say anything about it. his previous interview whith the same radio station when asked about the fall release he said 'Absolutely', but then again he has lied before about the release so it wouldnt surprise me if its not out by fall ( not that im holding my breath). 
if he wants people to take him seriously then bring on the new guns and stop cashing off old guns.

Exactly, Big Willie, exactly  :rant:

Actually it wasnt the same radio station, he did the other interview with Eddie Trunk who is bases in NY. Though it has many affiliates that carry his show.

the albums never gonna be ready and is never gonna be released.

its all crap.

the fact that gnr is playing buttfuck/ca actually makes me hope for a big event in the next weeks....

i mean they just can`t be that dumb and repeat the 2002 desaster. of course a lot of things changed since then regarding the band and gnr`s popularity in general, but that`s not enough to sell out an arena tour....

Yeah, just because Axl didn't want to announce the release date in some random interview for a radio station. ::)

Thanks for that insight. I can tell a lot of thought went into it.

My guess is that the album will not be ready until late fall at earliest. We will see plenty of promotion when this does happen. I would also guess that they will start playing bigger shows once the album/release date are ready to drop. It's all conjecture, of course.

I know that everyone here is impatient for them to change their setlist, but you have to keep in mind most people do not share your opinion. There are a lot of people out there who would rather go see them play the hits than hear a bunch of new stuff. It is highly unlikely that the new album will enjoy the same longevity that the GH cd has had, but the best chance for that to happen is to get non-fanboys interested in the band again.

So its like a publicity tour before the full CD tour?  I guess that makes some kind of sense.

no, it makes absolutely no sense at all to tour the US without an album. : ok:

Well, i meant it doesnt make sense, but they (GnR)  think it does.

TRoxie and Madgas, you are both right.  Fans in the US are different and much more informed then our European friends...  US cities will ask, "what is different about this tour then 02 other then the fact there is a new guitar player."  Why are they wasting our time, again!  Will I go if they come to my town, probably, but its kind of lame.  Its like he is holding the CD over our heads so that we will go to the shows.  I wish they would be honest and say "CD isn't coming out, but we like to play live shows and hope you will come out and see me sing Guns N' Roses Greatest hits plus 4 or 5 new songs we wrote for an album that will never come out." 

I hear that it's the us audience who expect classic bands to play mostly the classics familiar to them because of the classic stations.  ???

Well is it really what Axl wants?  To be seen as a classic band who plays classics and that's it?  Does he want to become Poison?  If so then I have to say this is disappointing.

GNFNRAXL, Nope, quite the opposite, I'd imagine.

As that's the dilemma any motivated classic band would face on touring the US to promote its new release.

I pointed it out because people here seem to see the general us audience differently than what I've heard.

TRoxie and Madgas, you are both right.? Fans in the US are different and much more informed then our European friends...? US cities will ask, "what is different about this tour then 02 other then the fact there is a new guitar player."? Why are they wasting our time, again!? Will I go if they come to my town, probably, but its kind of lame.? Its like he is holding the CD over our heads so that we will go to the shows.? I wish they would be honest and say "CD isn't coming out, but we like to play live shows and hope you will come out and see me sing Guns N' Roses Greatest hits plus 4 or 5 new songs we wrote for an album that will never come out."?

Fans in the US are much more informed in what way??!! ?Am intrigued...

its hardly a waste of time - you either go and see them or you dont. ?I would hazard a guess that anyone who saw them at Hammerstein and then throughout Uk and Europe would be "more informed" in terms of how the band are functioning and playing at the mo.

There are more than likely to be new songs performed at future GnR gigs and I think most people here in Europe would agree that the band are a lot tighter and have better overall stage presence and performance than 2002. ?I like this build up of gigs we've had over this year and just think back to the barren years of no leaked tracks, no interviews, no pictures, no gigs - nothing. ?We are in a far better position this year to hear more new songs - and yet you dont seem up for it - or did I get that wrong?

When we go and see Poison and Cinderella, we know that we are going to see nothing but hits from the 80's and early 90's. But they don't really advertise new albums much and they actually put new albums out and will play a song or two from their album. ?I just don't get it. ?Kiss can get away with it cause it is a nostalgia act. ?If it was original GNR, they could get away with it too. ?But when it is a whole new band, you will get results like you did in 2002. ?Period. Some awesome shows with a lot of okay shows in between.

Europe has a lot more people in more concentrated areas.  So getting a sell out is not hard.  They eat GNR up over there.  In the US, fans are fickle and it can be "what have you done for me lately."  Basically US fans are lazy, but will go see a good product if need be.  Selling out Madison Square Garden is not hard when 11 million people live in that city and you get 20,000.  What is hard is selling out the place in the middle of Idaho.

I guess we Europeans tend to be less informed. They only played a total of 3 gigs back here in 2002. This summer a lot of people got a chance to see Axl for the first time since the UYI tour, but I guess that doesn't have anything to do with it, huh?


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Which is why I wonder they didn't stick with the safe bets, as they were knowingly touring without an album back then. Why bother throwing in a Monday evening gig in Idaho?

I understand what you are saying more now smoking guns - I dont have a great deal of knowledge of venues and their capacities across the US apart from the obvious ones.

i think the way forward for Gnr is to use the smaller venues to their advantage and present their current AMAZING show to the homecrowds and then work on the bigger scale tours in US and OZ etc with the weight of more new tracks (ie new album...) behind them.

 : ok:

GH.  :P

sic, which info do you think is hotter and fresher?

^Come again?

Which and which? Me confused.

Really - so you think that more people will come out to see them play IRS and Better than those that come to see Jungle, Night Train, November Rain, etc.? I'd like to share your optimism, but I can't. If it was that simple, I'm sure that the album would come out tomorrow. As you are probably aware, most touring bands that were huge in the 80's are doing more business with the classic stuff from their catalog than new songs.  Metallica has played all of Master of Puppets at shows, Anthrax has played all of Among the Living, Queensryche is playing Mindcrime, Iron Maiden's last tour was a greatest hits tour with material from their 80's albums, Alice in Chains is touring on their hits with a new lead singer(!), when Van Halen toured last, they weren't touring behind a new album. Bon Jovi has been huge for years - do you think that people who go see them want to hear "Have a Nice Day," or "Livin on a Prayer?" Same with Def Leppard. Same with the Rolling Stones. By all means - prove me wrong - I'm not a fan of the nostalgia thing myself, but those are my observations.

blame it on the system of Us radio. Once you had a hit album more than a decade ago, you'd be labelled as a classic band to be captured by the classic rock stations that play only classics. If this is true, something should be done.


refering to this line.

Right.

Smoking Guns was suggesting one of the reasons US audiences will move slower than the European ones is that they lived through the 02 tour. This means a lot of AFD, a few CD tunes, etc - which people wouldn't be too eager to experience again.

My take was a bit ironic; as far being informed you could roughly divide this summers European audiences in half. Those, who didn't know too much about the 02 tour and were thus expecting a decent amount of AFD, and those who did - and went anyway. So I don't think US fans are anymore informed than their European counterparts. It's the same thing everywhere - without a new album, people will expect mostly AFD. The US will in this sense behave the same way.

Most potential concert-goers back here know by know that it's Axl-only from the original lineup, that there is no new album as of yet, how much more informed could an average joe be?



Smartass. He'll never be completely ridden of AFD, of course he'll have to keep some of those tunes in the setlist. But with a new album, they could get away with something like a handful oldies, depending how much they'd like throw in.


Metallica played Puppets during their Escape from the Studio tour, on the road between albums. Anthrax has played Among the Living because its an Among the Living -lineup's reunion tour. Queensryche was garnering interest for Operation: Mindcrime II, and like Metallica, had already toured with their previous album. Same goes for Iron Maiden, a greatest hits tour between new studio albums. Alice in Chains, a reunion tour.
 

If Guns N Roses tours the USA again for the second time "TWICE" with no "CD/Single" it will be the biggest mistake in the history of Guns N Roses   :no:  :rant:

Exactly - how do you market new material by a band like GNR? It sounds easy because they are huge, but it is harder than it seems at first. Classic rock stations, which is where they get a lot of their airplay, aren't going to touch the new stuff. Alternative stations also won't go near it because it is GNR(although I was surprised to discover that VR pulled off alternative airplay - maybe there is a chance). On top of that dilemma, they are not going to sound like the GNR of yesteryear, so at least a few old-school fans are going to be alienated. It's a tougher situation than some people realize.

Sic, you are dead on, I don't get it either. ?I don't think the US will go for another Appetite Rehash except for large market areas.

I think if Alternative stations were playing Velvet Revolver, and they were, there is a good chance they'll play the new GN'R material.  Especially considering the new material isn't in that same blues-based hard rock style.

I wouldn't worry about it, especially when you consider the fact that the leaked demos got played on some major stations here in the US.

Ali

And, of course, you have objective support for this statement...because no one likes the AFD material anymore, and no other band has done this sucessfully.

Sic, you translated my thoughts better than I could ever have. ?That was my point. ?I saw GNR in Detroit, a large US city. ?Seats 20,000. ?Only about 10,000 showed up. ?I saw VR in the same Venue a year later and they had more fans then GNR... ?I guess cause they had new music? ?I don't know. ? If they are not going to do an album, do safe bets. ?Also, it would have been better for GNR to tour US in the summer. ?Fall time you have to compete with Football, Baseball, Basketball, Hockey, and everything else. ?I think a summer tour would have been more successful, like what happened in Europe. ?Plus we know for sure there is no album, when the tickets went on sale in Europe, we thought the album would be released at some point during that tour. ?We were wrong. ?I don't know. ?I am so sick of it almost.

But there's always room to balance out the audience favorites with new material. Your examples don't really count in this case, since they're either reunion tours (which tends to mean a lot of oldies) or greatest hits tours. I saw Tool this summer. They started the set with Stinkfist and 46 & 2, after which Keenan unceremoniously announced: "New album, new songs. Just how it goes." They didn't touch Aenima for more than three tracks.



We all thought RIR5 would be the day of CD, only it turned out to be the introduction of GNR 3.0. But the tour was a success regardless, there's no denying of that. The band gelled in again, Ron was solidified into the lineup, etc, etc. A lot of good things happened during the summer from a fans POV. Now there's a band that is able to tour behind CD properly, which is something that couldn't be said about the '01 and '02 lineups. I'm not defending Axl in particular here, just saying that after all these false starts it does make sense to have a summer tour and measure the beast.

Of course, this is only sensible if CD does drop this fall. Axl said that in May. This month, he quipped about adding more new songs to the setlist. No sense in doing so without a release around the corner.

All I'm saying is, let's wait for Inland Invasion. That should reveal Axl's gameplan. If it's 02 revisited, it's his call (as well as his potential career suicide).

In a sense this is the reunion between GNR and the fans.
People discover GNR anew and then the new story starts.  ;)


Or rather, europeans are more updated as of now. I just pointed that out, sic.

This is my point, sic. You're saying that the other bands are on reunion tours. What are GNR doing if not capitalizing on nostalgia at this point? Since there is no album out yet, how would you describe it? I don't think that Tool are comparable to GNR's current position, since they are a)not from the 80's, and b) have a new album that opened with sales over 5 million units in the 1st week. You're not going to catch Radiohead opening with Creep either, but they are in a completely different position as well.

GNR is capitalizing on nostalgia at the moment, yes. Their setlist is something of a greatest hits with some new songs thrown in, yes. Why? No new album to represent.

I merely used Keenan's quote to point out that when the album drops, I suspect GNR will behave like any other band. They'll tour the album, not greatest hits, because that's part of the whole point - getting publicity to the latest release. You previously implied other bands are also relying on nostalgia, because they have no choice - I simply pointed out your examples didn't have new studio albums to tour with at the moment. GNR is in the same situation.

Yeah, new songs like the blues and Chinese Democracy, songs that we heard for the first time over five and a half years ago.

As I said earlier, the us air system is making things difficult for a "classic band" to start a new game.
If the system was the chinese government the audience/fans would be Chinese people. It should be changed at some point.
But how?

Democracy. of the people by the people for the people. It takes time.

I believe GNR is making it.

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second biggest,having a band that's not gnr  being called gnr playing tons of covers with no original  members is the first

Jesus get over it This is Gnr whether you like it or not stop bitchin

same way people see cinderella or poison is playing they see gnr or any other former huge group and go out for sentimetnal reasons.. No one really cares what's new ,or what's coming up.. All these bands will have tour power but how many really sit around after they see a show and wonder what are they doing next, or what are they going to release.. Remember these are normal people who once saw these bands in their hey day.. I see bands because they were great back in the day and want to see a good show today, but I'm not chomping at the bit or evemn looking for their new material...

anything as long as you say it is ,then I guess it is ,maybe the beatles will come back too and that'll be them as well.. it's axl and hired guys ,these people have zero to do with any gnr success it's all coattail riding..

In this case it's also a matter of riding (or playing) those coatails well..

If axl rose hired 7 of us from this forum the shows would still sell out.. So then new have nothing to do with anything.. Guns stood for something, they made it from scratch they lived the life, they took over the world, this is all carry over from the great music we hear all day on any classic rock radio station..

i disagree

you`re generalising a little too much imo. it`s not like nobody wants to hear chinese democracy... of course there are lots of people who come to the shows only to listen to nightrain and jungle for example, but there are probably as much people who are also interested in the new stuff being played as they`d like to see what gnr and axl is up to in 2006. at least that`s what i experienced at the shows i attended. the new songs got a great crowd response, sometimes as big as the old songs, even though not more than 5% of the people in the audiences heard them before....

people on this board always say things like "the american audiences want/are/expect...whatever" it`s not like that....

and i read a post earlier in this thread where someone claimed the european tour sold better, because the people in europe were hungrier to see gnr, since gnr toured europe the last time 13 years ago and they toured america in 2002.... did it occur to you that people in america also didn`t get to see gnr for 9 years in 2002? :hihi:

The thing is that most of the audience end up being the fans of the people that have zero to do with any gnr success of the 80s, just because they kickass. Apparently they play those coattails better and more intensely than the exes would.

Accept the reality.  How come you hate VR that much?

yeah and I'm sure those dopes though those were the players of the music on afd too.. :hihi:

big to do a band called gnr fronted by axl rose can sell out shows, I mean the people in the band today really have something to do with any success.. he grabbed bfoot for his first show, it could have been anyone..

apparently not, maybe it seems that way because there's fifty people onstage.. All it is is covers sang by the only member of gnr...

I guess when the real band is gone anything is better then nothing as long as you want to believe it's gnr again..

So.. this isn't the real band?

Last time I checked it's a real band out there playing some old songs, some amazing new songs, some new covers and doing it all with smiles on their faces and to perfection.

That seems like the real band to me.

I just cant wait for Chinese to be released so all the nay-sayers can go home and shut up. This band will prove who the real, heart and soul of GNR really was with success.

Boy did I really feal that way in 2001/2002.   2003-2005 made me cynical

Mike, you are right.  This is such bull shit.  It would be different had we had in album in 99 or 2001.  But for fucks sake, it is such a mockery now it is sad.  Robin has been associated with GNR for 10 years and still nobody really knows what he truley brings to the table except some horrible solo's in November Rain.  Okay, didn't mean to go there on Robin.  Wrong thread.  I just don't know what to think anymore.

well robin did bring better to the table, and i think thats a pretty kick ass song.  i don't agree with you at all. 

We truly don't know who brought what until we have CD in our hands with credits and interviews discussing songs in detail.  I am saying we don't know much, cause we haven't been shown much.  On song for 10 years isn't "bringing it."

So many people had a hand in working on the stuff I don't know if liner notes will even manage to prove anything...

much like this discussion

dead horse anybody?

Dirt, you are right. ?I would love to see Axl dumb ass equation when it comes to splitting royalties... Nevermind, there won't be any to split by the time he pays back all his bills. ?Oh well.

I like many others have been waiting years on top of years for this record.

I do believe this is GNR because it is GNR. ?We have already heard half the album in my opinion
Madagascar,TWAT,Better,IRS,The Blues,Catcher In The Rye, and Chinese Democracy will be on the album so I hope atleast 14 tracks are on the record. All in all i'm not as impressed as I thought I would be but don't get me wrong. Just having them playing and more serious talk than in 02' of it's coming release is awesome. and that axl is finaly in the space that he feels like it's ready which i don't think he's ready or will ever be ready but anyway (ramble on :nervous:)

i'm a lil drunk right now...sorry :beer:

I don't think it's going to be a masterpeice, it can't be. the press will never let it happen. the main fear for me is the direction like in uyi the material was great but the direction was all over the place. i know why, i know the gnr story in and out but you give axl the full control and that's good and bad in many ways. axl's mind changes like the weather thru missouri so what he wants to do in june is completley different in july. that's cool that's a true musician doing what he wants to do and to hell with anybody that tells him different.

that's why I respect him so much is because like 97% of people in music will do whatever you want them to do for a little bit of cash, and axl will tell you to take your cash and shove it up your ass.

Axl, you do whatever the hell you want,play whatever you want, release the album if/whenever you want. your true fans will wait however long it takes.

Why don't any of you people realise that nobody gives a shit what we think?

If you disagree with what's happening the only way to protest is to stop following the band, don't go to concerts, and don't buy the album.

Moaning about it here ain't gonna do you any good.

I was checking out the thread about Axl on KROQ, and instead I get pointless moaning.  ::)

Guns N' Roses is: Axl, Robin, Tommy, Richard, Brain, Chris, Dizzy, and Ron.

They're doing what they want, they're enjoying it, if you can't accept this state of affairs follow the above instructions.

Man, I'm tired of reading the same shit.  :no:

@#$%Funker

If Axl would just put out the CD and the SINGLE and the MUSIC VIDEO then you would no longer hear the same stuff anymore but he still don't do it so until he does all you will hear is the same. Don't blame the messenger. Blame AXL  :rant:

I blame Axl. And you.

 ?Mike, are you hitting too many of those Heinekens again??? ?In this post you completely disregard the musical talent of GNR 2006 by saying it could be Axl and 7 people off this board and shows would sell out, and in another post you compare GNR 2006's tour to that of Poison or Cinderella. ?Do I have to say, "Give me a fuckin' break?" ?I guarantee you the average music fan on the street isn't waiting for CD with the same baited breath we are. ?Axl & Co. are smart enough to realize all new music won't put more fannies in the seats. ?Like today for instance, a co-worker of mine sees WTTJ from Rock-Am-Ring for the 1st time and is left open-mouthed and amazed. ?The overwhelming opinion of the American public (which isn't always known for its intelligence) thinks Axl is fat and can't sing anymore. ?Seeing these guys do what GNR does best is a start. ?People say, "Holy shit, he can still rock!" Now I'd like to see what these guys can do together...and then bam, Chinese Democracy this Fall!
 ?It's always sad to see the core fans hating on the band. ? :peace:

PS Mike, don't take that as an insult. ?I chalk it up to the insanity of a long, long wait. ?We all go through periods of insanity just waiting. ?I'm thinking of drawing a face on a volleyball and talking to it until the release of CD. ? :hihi: ? ?

Are you attempting to disregard my talent, you snot?

And here I was considering board members for the band I'd like to share the opportunity with. You were up there, but now...

 :P

The Dirt, you crack me up.  :hihi:  I guess I'll have to go join Poison's forum tribute band instead.  :peace:  This wait is driving us all loony.

As long as Brett Michael's is fronting I'd say you have a future there indeed.  :)

Sorry, but  :-*

Thank you..

I think that back in the day there was a good reason why Axl choosed to 'rehash' the old material. If they would've released new material when the new band was introduced and the majority of the set list would've been new to the crowd, everyone would've said: "This ain't Guns n' Roses, It's just Axl and some guys, and they don't even play real Guns n' Roses songs!"

So at least now some of us have been given a chance to go to a concert and realize that "Hell, maybe this is Guns n' Roses, There's Axl and... did I see Izzy there? Oh boy these AFD tunes rock!"

Do you see the point that I mean?

Well I know it has been many years, and many of us have already seen the new band and are bored to hell with the band playing almost all old material and not releasing the new album and so on... But that's just us.? :yes:

I think that Axl is still on his crusade introducing the new band as Guns n' Roses to the big crowds. Europe is done, east coast of the U.S. was done in 2002 (well, almost :hihi:), but they haven't played in the west coast yet...

So my conclusion and prediction is pretty hopeful: maybe we are getting to an end of an era, and maybe a new one is about to start. Axl did say: "We'll add some new songs to the set list as the tour goes on", didn't he? So why in the world they would add new songs any more if there wasn't any album or single or some kind of material coming out any time soon? And? earlier he did say the magic words: "Fall, late fall." It sure fits the pattern, in my opinion.

 :peace:

I am actually pretty positive about the cities they've announced so far. They're all big cities, metropolitan area, the same kinds that were the best sellers during the 2002 tour. For instance, GNR played two gigs in Illinois. Moline was half-empty, while the nearly twice as big Rosemont venue was packed, a damn near sellout, I'm told. The difference? Rosemont is Chicagoland, and thus inspired concert-goers from the surrounding areas.

Roughly half the gigs of 2002 had reasonable attendance, the other half was pretty bad. Cut the bad half out, and theoretically you have a US tour that turns a little profit.

Amen bro!  I dont understand why all these people who don't like the band or feel this is a band or disagree with every decision that is made still come here just to moan and bitch  :no:

Why do all threads have to turn into this same tired discussion? 

Axl stays in hiding for years, people bitch that he's not doing anything and wasting his life away.  Axl does a tour, people bitch the setlist isn't what they'd like or they don't like one of the guitar players, or they dont like how Axl dresses.  Some people are never ever going to be happy.  ::)

Me too : ok:

I just don't get, Mikeguliana, why is it that you hate GN'R so much ?

Can't you just accept them as a band ? I mean it's always the same arguments from you, basically "the originals that made AFD, the GN'R name, hired guns, etc."

Well Slash & Co weren't forced to quit in the first place. They chosed to do so. They gave up the name too. So if they were GN'R and cared so much they would all come together and handled Axl way better than what they did. They decided to leave damn it ! Axl refused GN'R to die and moved on. So it is GN'R out there playing.

The 5 originals recorded only "AFD" and "Lies", then it was already a new band that worked on the UYI's, then another band that toured those albums. then another one who recorded TSI, and another one who did Sympathy For The Devil, and now a new one that worked on CD.

It has evolved since day one, even before they did AFD it was a different line-up.

I'm just saying nobody in GN'R these days stole anything from anybody.

It is a band and they go by the name Guns N' Roses.

Alright people, try to stay on topic please. (Axl on KROQ)  :beer: