Here Today... Gone To Hell!

First of all, I post on a music forum every now and then on a website called www.facethejury.com, this forum isn't pro gnr and in fact gnr doesn't get brought up a lot there. Today someone posted this thread.......

http://forums.facethejury.com/show_message.asp?cat_id=13&thread_id=74441&time=3&prev_thread=74440&next_thread=74442

This person isn't a guns n roses fan, although he has posted about Buckethead from time to time. I contacted him through personal im's on that site and the conversation went as followed....

Me: Where are you getting this Buckethead playing with Guns N Roses, as of now Bumblefoot is their 3rd touring guitarest and Buckethead isn't in the band. Where did you get this information.
Him: I have family that works for mtv, they know I like Buckethead, I have no clue who Bumblefoot is but all I know is this is a one off thing, Buckethead hasn't officially rejoined that band.
Me: Well what about Dizzy Reed, he has another show scheduled??
Him: Who the fuck is that?
Me: Keyboardist
Him: Well, I'd assume gnr is more important
Me: Do you know a song that they are going to play??
Him: I have no clue of any new songs, i just know their popular shit.
Me: Well I post on a gnr message board, people will lose their mind over this, how sure are you Buckethead is going to be there and perform?
Him: 98% sure, if it doesnt happen it will be on him, that guy is just as flaky as Axl Rose sometimes.
Me: So I assume gnr is a surprise and is going to close the show, so it can be cancelled if Buckethead doesnt show and nobody is let down.
Him: Dude, guns in roses is fucking playing the show, why the fuck do you keep asking so many questions.
Me: Well, i post on a very reliable board and this rumor seems like it has a very small chance of being true, I mean if you're not a gnr fan, why would your family members even mention gnr, how did this conversation come up?
Him: Dude, you are fucking wierd, watch the show, im logging off I got shit to do.

Take that for what it is worth, this dude has no reason to lie, it's not a gnr board, he isn't looking for attention.

time will tell.. i pray for it to be true...but i doubt it cause its too good to be true...plus why would they have Bucket play one time and then not tour etc..makes no sense

1st offcial vma rumor down...about 300 more to go....

I hope this isnt true

So did he mean to call you weird or wired? ?heh

this is disturbing

looks like we'll find out thursday!!

man no fucking way.

that's just a typo

Interesting, but I LOL at the guy's responses - There's nothing quite like dealing with a GNR fan on a quest for answers and information.  ;D  :beer:

I wouldnt have posted it if it were on a gnr board.......

but it was just on a random board

there is no motivation for him to lie, no one paid that thread hardly any attention at all..

man, talk about BS....i guess when people are bored, they create ways to entertain themselves...

Okay, why would Buckethead be there? ?I have a ticket for his 9/16 show in Chicago. ?Why wouldn't he be in Vegas that night?

I don't believe this for one min. ?We don't need any more freakin guitarists in this band.

Dude, it wasnt on a gnr forum, did you see how fucking wierd he thought I was with how I was reacting, he was more or less trying to talk about Buckethead.

And yet none of you believed me?

I didn't even want to mention it at the time because I knew it would just COMPLETELY make people call me a liar, but I heard a rumor that Buckethead was actually in the process of re-joining the band, too. I wasn't sure, though, it wasn't really verified. Bumblefoot is NOT a permanent replacement, though.

IF THIS ENDS UP BEING TRUE...

THURSDAY WILL BE THE BEST DAY OF MY FUCKING PATHETIC LIFE! GOD DAMN I AM SO EXCITED I WILL CRY TEARS OF JOY IF THIS HAPPENS :crying:

I heard Slash was comin' back.

Just what we need now, another band member shake up. ?I can't believe this, honestly.

Yea while we are at it why don't they just drag every other ex member of the band on stage as well.  There will be 25 people up there.  :-\

It is in NO WAY verified, in fact I wouldnt mind if Mysteron came in here and shot it down. I just posted info I got from an unbiased source with no motivation to seek attention, I discussed this via im's with a long time board member, and he reccomended I post it here. I was just going to not post anything, but I have no reason to think some guy on some random board would just make shit up for no reason about Buckethead.

I heard it was Traci.

Bumblefoot was NEVER intended to be a permanent replacement, he was just temporary for the '06 tour. They have actually been negotiating for BH to come back to the band because Axl really felt like Buckethead was a vital part of the band's new image and style - he wanted a fresh, edgy guitarist who could bring more attention to the band and vice versa. When BH left it was basically because he was bored of not doing anything, and now with the tour starting up again this was when I first heard a rumbling that management was negotiating with Bucket to play the American leg of the tour and possibly rejoin the band.

The other obvious reason for this is because they are planning on playing a new song at the VMAs and Buckethead is required because he helped create the song and Axl probably feels he'd be better at it than Ron, since Ron didn't actually write the parts, if you catch me.  : ok:

EDIT: Keep in mind these are not verified. Just things I've heard. The only thing I know for sure is that there were negotiations going on at some point w/ Buckethead to rejoin, but they had fallen through before. But I think it's highly likely he'll be at the VMAs, there's definitely something going on, and the person who told me the band is playing wouldn't lie.

This would also explain why Ron said he hadn't heard anything about playing at the VMAs.  :hihi:

BS.

Well I clicked on the thread link you posted and it was locked. ?That pretty much sums it up in my eyes. ?

This is just ridiculous.. why would BH be there? Gn'R is doing great now, they don't need him and I don't think he needs Gn'R either.

it would make sense if Bucket was going to rejoin the band. Most people dont know about Bucket leaving, and BFoot joining so it wouldnt be a factor.

Plus Bucket was frustrated that the album still wasnt out yet so if Axl calle dhim up and said hes ready its something that could be a possibility


but overall i highly doubt this rumor.

Here is the BIGGEST reason I do not believe this........

Buckethead has tour dates scheduled that conflict with gnr tour dates, so I dont forsee him on the tour.

However, the guy did say it was a "one off" and bh has not rejoined.

So the tension builds. :peace:

We don't know everything that goes on within GN'R. For all we know BH could have said (or, err, his puppet could have said!) he wouldn't play with the band again until the album had a release date or something. The reason he left was definitely because he was fed up with doing nothing and wanted to go on tour and release the album.

which is why this rumor is bogus.

agreed.Im aware Bucket wanted to move on with CD and thats why he left. He wanted Axl to release it.

I can totally see Bucket coming back into the band. But this rumor states its a "one off" which tells me its bogus. Plus who nknows if the band even wants Bucket back because as we all know they didnt get along...{my guess Robin,Tommy,Bucket}

YOU HAVE TO BE A MEMBER TO POST IN THIS THREAD.....

CLICK ON THE MUSIC FORUM LINK, NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT GNR IN THAT FORUM.....


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Why would Axl showcase Buckethead for one performance and screw up what most people already do not know is the lineup of this band. ?This makes no sense marketwise. ?

Frankly I like Buckets playing but his stage appearance just creeps me out and I am pretty sure he creeps out the rest of the band and I cannot imagine this being done would make them happy-

It was posted in this forum and got 4 replys....

people dont care enough to make up gnr rumors to impress people......

http://forums.facethejury.com/threads.asp?cat_id=13

In case you don't recall the last time Americans saw the band Buckethead was with him. BH also drew a lot of attention at the VMAs. Think about it this way - you are a laughing joke in the music industry for having band members come and go so often. The LAST thing you want is to return to the VMAs after four years only to debut yet ANOTHER new guitarist! Named Bumblefoot!

I'm not bashing Bumblefoot - I'm talking critical reaction. NON-FANS would point out the fact that the band has another new guitarist. "What happened to that bucket guy?" And everyone would start focusing on this.

It makes sense if you think about it.

Well it's better than performing with Christina Aguilera.

The info he got said it is a "one off" performance, who know is anything else has/is being negotiated.....

I think it's a real possibility and I am pretty sure gnr is playing..... :peace:

Buckethead's tour date was MOVED FORWARD to September 14! He is NOT playing on Thursday in Mississippi!

There is no evidence that GnR are going to perform at the VMAs. Axl is 'scheduled to appear.'

There is no evidence that Bucket was contacted after or during the Euro tour.

Bumble still has plans for the US tour even though no one in the band really likes him.

I would love for this to happen, but the music world must literally move great distances and heavens converge in full harmony before this reunion occurs.

That doesnt matter, gnr don't have a show until sat.......

I don't see how this makes sense at all seeing as they just came off a successful tour with the current lineup. ?It's the constant of NOT knowing who is in this band that is making the casual or maybe one time fans shy away because they don't know who is IN the band. ?All this would just add for more confusion IMO and would not be a good idea. ?

I don't doubt Bucket's playing but when he is on stage with them it looks more like a comedy act than a band. ?

Huh?

What I'm saying is that Buckethead is not playing somewhere else on Thursday. He was scheduled to play Mississippi on Thursday and the date was moved forward. If GN'R play at the VMAs, this means Buckethead's schedule would be free.

Oh man, where is Mysteron when we so need him?

Buckethead brings far more intrigue, than negative attention... anyone with music knowledge knows the man is an enigman... much like Axl Rose himself actually.

When are the Vma's I thought they were this week?

Thursday this week

Europe is very different than the US my friend. The '02 tour proved this. Americans don't treasure GN'R quite as much as Europeans - in Europe they are considered a classic rock band more so than they are in the States. I've no idea why. I only heard GN'R when I moved to England. They played SCOM on Virgin all the time. I traveled to Italy and they were playing GN'R on a remote beach in Sicily. When I go to America people don't react the same way most of the time.

Axl called America "the wicked." He knows he's got to really impress to win over US audiences. People who watch the VMAs saw BH in 2002. Those same people will be watching the VMAs this year. What will they think when they see a new guitarist named Bumblefoot? BH never played Europe.

Yup, I'll be watching for sure, being a gnr fan is always a fucking rollercoaster ride.

the problem with this is not that it doent make sense to have him back in the band. That would make the perfect sense. Bucket is an amazing all around player. And he has th elook. Some like it some dont. But it strikes up an interest/convo. And thats always a good thing.

this isnt about whether hes good for the band though so forget that for now...couple more days till we find out whats gonna happen

Let me explain very simply...

Buckethead according to his official website was scheduled for a performance THIS THURSDAY, the night of the VMAs.

This date was mysteriously moved to September 14th. It was not updated on BH's site, but it was updated on the official website for the place he was scheduled to play.

Therefore, Buckethead is NOT PLAYING A GIG THIS THURSDAY. Which means, technically speaking, he COULD very well perform with GN'R at the VMAs without any schedule conflicts.

Now that I will agree with you on :beer:

Ditto.  :beer:

You have to admit after all of this, if Axl DOESN'T play we are all going to be incredibly disappointed.  :rofl:

Ohh fuck man, the plot thickens, Axl Rose and Buckethead in the same building.... anything can fucking happen, even Axl flipping out and ripping off his mask. :hihi:

Of course, after all this hype I have to turn on a channel I never watch and pray it's gonna be worth my while as I sit through 3 hours of emo and pop torment. ?

So they better do something good dammit! ;D

Bucketheadland has the Mississippi Nights date as Sept 14th.

You are correct that Bucket has no show for the date of the VMAs.

haha wo guys this is just great i honeslty i love the suspense

Honestly, I'd have no problem with him popping up and saying "fake"......but how much would it fucking own if he just typed... "possible".

Well I'm not saying BH is definitely going to be there...he was scheduled to play in Mississippi on Thursday and that date got pushed to the 14th. If your source is correct, and the rumor I heard last week is correct, and Buckethead plays with GN'R, then he would definitely be in the building with Axl. But if he's playing with Axl then I doubt Axl will flip out and pull off his mask.  :-\

I'm getting sick of this bullshit. All these stupid ass rumours. If they bring Bucket back, I think that would be stupid. It will just add to the jokes about not being able to keep members. Dont get me wrong, Bucket is an awesome guitarist, but he doesnt fit the band's image. Its not like 2002 where the band was all dressing different, where Axl was in his jersey mode. Axl is dressing like a fucking rock star, Robin got rid of NIN look, and they look like a real band now. Bucket would just make them look ridiculous. I say keep Bucket's parts on the record, and keep Bumblefoot for the future.

Not only that, its clear that no one but Axl really liked Bucket as a person. You can defintely tell Tommy didnt like him, plus the rumours about Robin and him fighting all the time. It will spew up bad blood if Bucket's brought back in my opinion.

KEEP BUMBLEFOOT!!!!!!!!

Of course I work Thursday 4-midnight, the only day this week I work...figures...so I'll be missing the show.

Just to correct you, Bucket is performing at Mississippi Nights which is in St. Louis, not Mississippi.

He is gonna torment us and not say anything so we will all be tuned in on Thursday like crazed animals waiting for some huge thing to happen, hahaha

You can take image and shove it up Axl's ass so it can make out with Slash... Buckethead fucking owns.

where are his August tour dates? Because I dont see them on his site

They replay it 228929821 times you won't miss anything. : ok:

For the people saying its dumb to have BH play, first off its just for one show, and 2nd who is to say Ron wont be playing too? Also, if this rumor was bullshit, why would this person claim BH is playing, that would just make the rumor harder to believe. Also we all thought it was BS in 2002 before the VMAs and they played. I am not saying I believe this, but its possible. Anything is with Axl since he has always had an open slot for him at the VMAs when ever he wants.

Whether you want to believe it or not, image is a crucial part to the success of any artist.
Why do think Axl is pulling in so much pussy nowadays, and not in 2002?

I really hope this is fake, and I still believe so. And if it's true, I hope it will just be this one show with BH and then he's out again. I don't want him  :no:

Maybe Bucket will pull a Finck, and show up with long hair and a beard and stuff. ?Yeah... ?That would be cool!

Thats why its dumb, cause its only for one show. Then if Ron is there, thats 4 guitarists, its stupid. Might as well throw Izzy on there and make it 5.

Hate to tell you, but I don't think ANYONE in the band right now really likes Bumblefoot, either. Tommy is probably the closest to him. Robin very clearly dislikes him, and Axl is indifferent towards him much of the time. From seeing him during performances, and how he was on stage, and how he has treated his role in the band, and stuff he's said to people in messages, I've always had the feeling he didn't even consider himself a permanent part of the band. The only reason he's there is to replace Buckethead and to be honest although Axl had troubles with BH he really liked having him in the band and I don't think his image conflicts with them at all. Okay, he wears a bucket on his head. But it's something different. Ron has a bumblefoot guitar and a silly cap on his head all the time. He doesn't really look like a rock star IMO, either.

I like Ron as a person, he's nice and all, but I don't think he fits the image or sound of the band at all to be entirely blunt. I think he's more suited towards smaller-scale, solo-style projects - smaller groups or independent work. Buckethead, on the other hand, NEEDS someone to bounce ideas off of - he's like Slash that way. I think Axl and BH had chemistry working together as artists and you can hear that on the tracks. Bucket needs direction and Axl needs a strong guitarist.

Bucket's solo albums are mostly all rather poor (except Electric Tears and Colma) but you can hear Axl really had an influence on his guitar parts, and vice versa.

I understand, but buckethead's image isn't like some emo looking fag in the band, his image strikes conversation and is interesting. It's not all bad whether you like him or not. I personally just care about guitar playing and Buckethead is one of the best out there today.

Certainly would be more appreciated than the Bucket and the mask.

They are going to do a GNR retrospective (past and present) I tell you and drag every person that has ever contributed to this band onto the stage and it will be a mob scene

I'm kidding but could you imagine?

Unless the song calls for 4 guitar players. Some of the UYI songs had 4 gutiars and they never sounded right live.

which would make this whole thing stupid

even worse...might as well call out izzy too

any1 can make up anything. I could go to that or any site and play the " i dont know anything about gnr but i heard.."



I dont think any1 is doubting that they can perform. But with Bucket and only once? Makes no sense to be a one off. If he was rejoing then i might believe it


btw some1 please explain this cancelled bheadtour date if its not even listed on his site

I agree with you on that. Bucket is phenominal. I dont know, I just dont think Tommy or Robin or anyone else but Brain would be too happy to have him back. And I'd rather have those guys, who stuck around through thick and thin be there, then Bucket, who just seems to want the attention and the glory.

Flat out, Axl Rose and Buckethead have always had an artistical respect for one another. Those two also are kind of unique in their own way and probably connect on a personal level. I think Axl was pretty bummed out and estranged when Buckethead left in 2002.......

If Axl wants to reintroduce the current lineup to millions of people, then having a guy who isn't even in the band perform live on television is pointless.

Why would someone who is a long-standing member on a NON-GN'R site whose family works for the VMAs/MTV go on a forum and tell a lie?

1) He has a reputation on the site
2) He has no reason to lie
3) He isn't a GN'R fan
4) If he lied he'd lose all respect

It doesn't add up.

4 guitar players? Is this Yes or Chicago or something? My god. Well if Bucket is wearing a Popeyes bucket now it's all good.

Where is mysteron when you need him?  :hihi:

We haven't taken into account here that Dizzy DOES have a gig on the date of the VMAs. ?What about him? ?Is he just NOT going to be included in this maylay? ?That is why I just can't buy this, until I am proven wrong by what I see on Thursday.

how do you knwo that person really has connections to mtv.

i could go to any site and claim i have connections to mtv and somehow mention gnr ro something. Im not saying they are lieing but it shouldnt be treated as gospel either.

Buckethead was already introduced to millions of American viewers. Their performance was the highest-rated in VMA history. That means it was watched by more people than any other VMA event - ever.

That means all the people who saw that show are going to say, "Where's that bucket guy? Wasn't there some new, weird guitarist in the band? What happened to him?"

Like it or not BH brought a lot of attention to the band in 2002 in terms of controversy - people loved him or hated him and a lot of people made fun of him, but it caused discussion.

Ron is bland. That's why I think he's poor for the band. He doesn't stick out at all.

I don't think it was ever rescheduled. If you look at his tour dates, they are pretty sequential and have a frequency of one show every one to two days.

His first show of the coming tour is Sept 13, followed by Sept 14, 15, 16, 17, 19..... There was no reason for Bucket to begin a tour in August then wait two weeks for the next date.

Translation: there was no rescheduling.

From his post it seems he has a reputation already on that site and people "know" already that he's connected with the VMAs. Notice how no one questioned his post. If he was some "nobody" who hadn't already proven himself in the past people would have told him to fuck off. It seems, judging from the responses, that he's got cred on the forum.

Yep, which means the person earlier who said he had a gig this Thursday was lying all along.

that would be cool to see bucket just guest appear as like an extra guitarist doing a special gig. kinda like what izzy did in a way...

who said that? and how does it translate to hes playing with gnr

Someone earlier in this thread said the guy on the other forum was lying because Bucket had a gig somewhere else on Thursday. This was his "proof" that BH wouldn't be able to play with GN'R. However, if BH DOESN'T have a gig that night, then that means the person who said this was lying.

The performance was a surprise - you're implying that people tuned into the final ten minutes of the live show with the sole purpose of watching Guns N' Roses?

Not possible - sorry.

I really DO hope there is a performance at the VMAs this year simply because I hope it will overshadow what we heard in 2002 when Axl wasn't on top of his game as he is now, even if he does have 45 guitar players backing him. :peace:

But I still want to know if you all think they will play with Dizzy not there simply because he does have another gig scheduled that same day in MA-

fine, but this doesnt add to the theory that Bucket is playing with them Thurs.

I say they wont play if everyone in the band isnt there.

I don't think the performance was really a surprise. ?I remember hearing it was going to happen because I was watching and I never watch MTV-

Ha, let me guess, you weren't watching that night, were you?

It was a "fake" surprise. They made sure everyone knew. They dropped hints throughout the show. Jimmy Fallon wore GN'R shirts at every commercial break. Whistled the intro to Patience. They played Sweet Child at one point. Then he said "don't go away, we've got a BIG SURPRISE next! Call all your friends and tell them to watch!" etc.

Then when they cut back he was wearing a GN'R shirt and said to put the tapes in the VCR etc. By this time everyone knew what was happening.

Yes, MTV acknowledged that the performance itself - NOT the VMAs show, but the GN'R performance itself - was the highest rated in history. People didn't randomly all turn on their televisions right at that moment.

Also, Pink let it slip in an interview before the gig that BH was back stage and rumors were already on the Internet days before the show claiming that BH would be there with Axl. Word had already gotten around that GN'R were going to play - it wasn't much of a secret.

I didn't know anything about the band back then and even I heard about it.

I hope he plays, that will make it worth watching the three hours of shit music just to see Axl!!!!!

That forum's full of half-wits - I don't think they should be the ones to judge credibility.

Hell, the whole point of that FaceTheJury site is to judge photos and rate how hot people are.

That takes alot of intelligence.

 ::)

I wasnt a member of the boards back then, so it was a surprise to me. A pretty awesome one too, even though it wasnt Axl's best performance. I remember I almost had tears in my eyes, I couldnt believe it was happening.

I would like to think not because Dizzy really is the longest member of this band besides Axl at this point and I wouldn't think it would be right to play minus an important band member although the publicity would be astronomical-

"Alot" of intelligence, eh?  ::)

agreed. Also I dont think they should play if they are gonna do a stupid medley or play an old song. Its gotta be a new song, the single. It would be pointless to play anything else.

I think Axl is poised to reclaim his throne as the best rock n roll front man, I think he would feel a lot more comfortable playing a new song if one of the guys who helped create was there with him on stage, if it was a "one off" then Axl would at least be letting Buckethead have one more shining moment with the band before the cd drops... Buckethead deserves the oppurtunity.. I hope he was offered and I hope he did accept.

Whatever the case, I'll be tuned in Thursday. :beer:

So assuming that the reason the GNR performance was the highest-rated ever was because GNR fans tuned in, wouldn't you agree that the performance left a less than stellar impression among non-fans?

I remember people telling me the next day that Axl Rose was fat and couldn't sing anymore. And that a guy with a chicken bucket on his head replaced Slash.

Getting rid of that image is the best thing for the band, and they've already succeeded. Bringing back Buckethead is a step backwards.

relax...if gnr play all the members will be there

The forums are different, no one goes there to date dude, the forums are fun.

I hate to be the voice of reason here, but Axl is scheduled to appear....meaning he will present an award.

I fear that Justin will close to show with that horrible Sexy Back song.

Yes, if they play, it will be a new song. And that's probably a good reason why they'll have Bucket there - since he worked on the new songs and helped develop them.

Did you know Ron has not heard Chinese Democracy yet?

All I know is that I was told they're playing. I like to think, however, that they'll do a new song and end with a release date. It's the perfect opportunity for free publicity. And it fits because we have been told the album will be out in fall, and that time is drawing nearer. Plus, Mysteron said the rumor that the album hadn't been given a release date yet was "fake."

Amen. Especially no PC or WTTJ.. A whole new song would be awesome, something we haven't heard at all.

OH MY GOD TYPING ERROR ON THE INTERNET

I MUST BE RETARDED - THERE GOES MY CREDIBILITY!

 ::)

No offense to the believers of this rumor, but I think its really a long shot.

Why would Axl bring back Buckethead just for VMA's? Bumblefoot has already said "see ya in Cali" to me a bunch of times concerning Inland Invasion.. so why would they bring Bucket back just to play one show?

Seems stupid to me.

Like I said earlier.. BS.

But who knows?

Even more reason Buckethead should play, he helped write whatever song most likely.

When you are deriding the credibility of others due to their lack of intelligence, and make a spelling mistake yourself, yes.

Well it could be a special one off thing with BH.

It could be that they start of with an old song with the current line up and then when they do a song of CD, BH makes a cameo appearance and then he leaves and they finish with an old song.

I dont think that Ron has been let go yet because it says on his website that he's playing US dates with GNR starting Sept.

Who knows maybe Ron won't be there and it'll be BH all the way.

I say they just do Better. Make it the single. Fan or no fan of GN'R, everyone I've played it for likes that song. Its catchy.

I know, why can't we just get press statements and such... lol, fuck.

Why can't you just admit that the source of this thread's "news" is no better than a random post on someone's MySpace?

GN'R fans weren't the only ones who tuned in. Non-fans tuned in, too. Despite the poor performance it was a historic moment and a lot of "casual" fans of GN'R - meaning everyday people who dug the band back in the day but weren't die-hards - were interested in seeing what the band was up to. Axl hadn't performed publicly for years.

Yes, it left a bad impression. But it will leave a worse impression if Axl returns with a new guitarist again. People will just say "This band is a joke, he's got new guitarists every time he does a gig!"

OK now I remember after reading that why it wasn't a surprise to me. ?Being a very long time gunner I was tuned in and also pretty disheartened at the performance but glad that Axl and Co. were back out there. ?Then another 4 years later and here we are and he is right back on his game with vocals. ?

So performing IMO would be GOOD but only with members of the band that are intending on actually STAYING in the band. ?

Everyone I talked to after the show and then even at MSG 2002 was kinda creeped out by Bucket and again I am NOT dissing his playing. ?He didn't interact with the rest of the band at all and the solo part that they gave him was just circus like with his robot dancing. ?I want to see Rock and Roll, the good old fashioned kind like we have been seeing this year!

Dave, I post there A LOT.. the guy is a Buckethead fan... he is EXCITED BH is going to get mtv time, that's why he made the post. Not to fuck with gnr fans man, he has no motive to make up the lie.

I'd rather have Ron Thal as guitarist than a guy who speaks through a hand-puppet and fucks over the band.

I know Buckethead's a great guitarist - but he had his chance.

Your not kidding...my friends who ONLY listen to rap love Better and hum the intro a lot lately. Its really funny actually because they now have some respect for the mythical album Ive been annoying them with...chinese democracy

Because my source is more credible than a random post on someone's MySpace. As I've said already, I was told GN'R would perform. It was also indicated BH would be there, but that his presence was not a "definite." I have also been told that Buckethead was in negotiations to return for the 2006 tour but refused to rejoin because he didn't want to go through another 2002 fiasco and was waiting for the album to actually have a release date. If this is true then it explains a lot about why BBF was chosen last minute - think about it, why wasn't he hired right after BH left? Because Axl was hoping BH would return to the band.

BBF has been unsure this whole time if he was going to continue on with GNR, even through to America, so u never no

While I am not willing to believe this 100%, some of us knew(and prayed) that there was a chance he would return during the US leg of the tour. I've said it for years: Once it was time for CD to happen, Buckethead would be back.

Fuck I hope this is true. I cant wait to hear that IRS solo done proper in a live setting. Better will be much improved.. Hell, they can now add Riyadh into the setlist.


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Wasn't BBF actually offered a part in GNR in 2004 that didn't transpire for whatever reason? ?He started with them last minute but that is not when they initially expressed interest-

I am with Dave, Bucket had his chance and I think it is a downward spiral for them to do a lineup change again, especially now.

How'd he fuck over the band?

You do realize Axl was the reason the 2002 tour was canceled, don't you? And you do realize Axl has fucked over his own band far more times than Buckethead has? Buckethead LEFT mainly due to the fact that Axl kept postponing the album.

Yes, BH looks a bit silly, but he also is an enigma and I think that the band needs as much stage presence as they can get. Ron has none. He just kind of stands there and jumps in once and a while for a solo. He's a nice guy, but his image is bad too. At least BH stands out.

And BH doesn't talk with a puppet on stage so I fail to see how that really affects their music playing live. He doesn't get up and perform a puppet show for the audience every gig.

The moment I heard Axl is going to APPEAR in the VMA's, I was ready for the rumours. It's no surprise someone is claiming Gn'R to actually perform at the award show, and I don't think it's a surprise that someone is claiming BH is back either. It's just a speculation.. but personally I don't want him to join the band. Keep the current line-up, it's really working.

"This band is a joke, he's got new guitarists every time he does a gig!"

Well I don't know what the frig he was doing during his solo at MSG but it was pretty creepy. ?

This is why I like the lineup now.  Good music and NOT creepy

Just want to add my 420 cents.

If GNR performs at the VMA's...I will be so fucking ridiculously happy, I may just party the rest of the night.

If GNR performs at the VMA's and Buckethead is right the fuck there playing with GNR again...my god... I may just go Frank the fucking Tank and run around the streets fucking naked. I will be so deliriously happy... I may just lose it. I may break down like when Mufassa got trampled saving Simba and Simba thinks its his fault. Except I will be happy.

See... I think Buckethead is so fucking great. I love that motherfucker in GNR. You fuckers talking shit about image are so fucking out of it GNR wise. I don't think a GNR old schooler would say shit like that. Think about all the weird ass shit Axl/Duff/Slash used to wear and dress. To try and pigeon hold GNR's image like saying Bucket doesn't "Fit" their image should be an automatic boot to the fucking head. An automatic loss in Karma just for saying something that fucking moronic. You GNR noobs saying shit like that, need to go back on the formula. Similac needs to be added to you diet immediately.

Man I hope this turns out to be true.

As I said before, Bumblefoot was never a permanent replacement. He was a last-minute grab for the '06 tour. You can tell just by how the bandmembers are on stage that Bumble is really excluded from the band - Axl and Tommy have great chemistry, Finck and Tommy seem like they have respect for each other, and Dizzy is Axl's pal, but Bumble really has no chemistry with any of them IMO. Robin doesn't like him at all and Axl treats him indifferently.

Bumble has always been vague on what's going on with the band. If he were a permanent bandmember he would have heard CD by now - but he hasn't. He would have info on what's going on - but he doesn't. He hadn't even heard that Axl was a presenter at the VMAs.

And Bumble is still hyping his own band through MySpace and it seems to me that he's really just joining GN'R temporarily.

Funny how the Buckethead supporters always fail to remember that Buckethead left in 2004, causing the band to cancel their appearance at Rock in Rio IV.

Here's Axl's press release, detailing exactly how Buckethead fucked the band over:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=104

Video link?

I haven't seen what you're talking about.  ???

I believe one of his last messages was that he was looking forward to touring the States.

i stopped ther dude cuz i am the same, i will run around the streets naked if it happens! haha we all should

Hate to tell you, but that was an excuse.  : ok:

Bucket was their fall guy. Axl wasn't ready to perform again, after 2002 he did not want to go back on the road or do any performances. Bucket left BECAUSE Axl was going to cancel RIR4 and there was still no date in sight for CD.

And once again, even if Buckethead was the sole reason for the RIR cancellation (which isn't true), Axl still caused so many cancellations in the past that comparing it isn't even funny. Buckethead left because he had respect for the fans and the music and was tired of sitting around waiting for something that he probably felt wasn't going to happen any time soon.

Buckethead never moves onstage. Ron moves onstage. Ron wins in the stage movement category.

Bumblefoot never had the chance to record with the band like Buckethead did, and he only played with the band for the first time this past Spring. Of course he's not as close to the other guys as someone who's been in the band years would be.

Give it time and stop making assumptions.

You notice how all over the place Axl was in that letter... it had hints of anger, sorrow, let down, dissapointment, etc... I think Axl was very estranged by Bucket's departure and the lack of communication with him. However, in time I think Axl's realized just how much him and Buckethead are alike. They both do what they want, show when they want, get misconstrued in the publics eye, both are hated for no reason at times.....

That letter DID NOT make it sound that BH could never be back again.

Yes but he has also said "hope to see you in the States" and "if all goes to plan" and "hopefully" and so on.

Bumble has said "see you in Cali" many times to me concerning inland invasion

I admit, I'll be drinking grey goose and red bull toward the end of the show and if Buckethead is on that stage I'll be fucking partying all night celebrating blasting gnr!!!!!!!! :beer:

When Buddha posts I always have a good chuckle because I can imagine him just being this happy person who gets incredibly excited over this stuff and I think that is just great! ?A true fan, old school style! :beer:

I think we all should be excited cause so much has happened with this band this year, even if we don't always all share the same exact views on the members, etc......

So, we are all gonna be tuned in on Thurs. and then posting here like mad at what happens that we don't really know yet.....that really is the fun of it all

I wasn't aware there was a stage movement category.

Stage presence is not defined solely by an artist's "movement." Johnny Cash never moved around much. Neither did Jim Morrison. In fact, Morrison NEVER moved. He'd jump up in the air sometimes or writhe on the floor. But towards his later years he mostly stood there. But both artists had incredible stage presence.

Ron might move but that doesn't mean he has strong stage presence.


Yes, that was my point. What was yours?

Says who?

I have a press release from Axl to support my claims, you have nothing.

Cite your sources or stop talking out of your behind.

lmao 8 pages in what 15 minutes?

jesus crist! if this gets to like 40 pages n were wrong well damn thats alota wasted posts!! :hihi:

Yeah, and all of gnrs press releases in the past have been 100% true.... :rofl:

Funny how the BH haters fail to read that press release. Axl doesnt rule out BH coming back, so why are you and all these other haters?

we are a bunch of crazy, obsessed mothafuckas!!!  ;D

Internet is just a garbage can : ok:

That stage chemistry takes time to develop and you're not giving Bumblefoot a fair chance.

Yes, and I have a press release guaranteeing a new record for 1999. Press releases are very trustworthy.

Don't trust everything you read that is issued through a band's PR. There are such things as spin doctors, and there is such a thing as a lie.

As for my source (singular, not plural) - he is trustworthy. He asked me a year ago never to give out his name. I have not, and will not. You do not have to believe me. I don't care.

BTW, do you know why Axl isn't allowed to tell us the reason the 2002 tour was canceled? You might want to ponder about that a bit.

Well, this is quite a big deal even if it is only at rumor stage, I wouldn't be surprised if we see another 20 pages by Thurs.

I'd love for this to be true, but it would be absolutely counter-productive for this to be a "one-off" thing. If the band performs on the show, they need to have the permanent line-up. If they do perform, this is GNR's most important performance ever, as far as public perception goes. We're closer to the album now than we were in '02. I loved Bucket, I think he was bored of the old material and bored of this stuff not getting let out of the gate, but if this is the real deal, I can definitely see a mutual relationship forming again. I for one hope it happens. I do, however, like Ron Thal quite a bit, so I'll be happy with whoever is on the axe...

As always, I am putting no stock in this --- not because I think the poster is lying, its just that even if a rumor is true, things seem to change at a moment's notice w/ GnR.

I will be very happy if Bucket could come back.   

We all love Ron Thal. He's a nice guy, he's a pretty good player (but anyone who argues he's a better fit, musically, than Buckethead is clearly delusional.)  He's approachable and if there's one thing GnR has NOT been in the past many years is approachable. 

Hopefully it's all true and Axl has got his act together on CD and has informed Buckethead of the 'master plan' and Bucket can step back into the line-up.   

I don't care, it's in the past.

And so is Buckethead's stint with Guns N' Roses.

I agree with everything you said.

Well done.

PAY HOMAGE TO BUCKETHEAD....

How can you watch this and now want him up there with Axl Rose.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8akmP6Sjv2o

More like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk7plGs3RP0

By that logic, so is Buckethead's alleged "cancellation" of Rock in Rio 4, which you brought up earlier.

So I have to wonder why you would go out of your way to stress this point when you would so eagerly dismiss a more serious, multi-million-dollar cancellation caused by Axl in 2002.

The reason Axl can't talk at all about the '02 tour being canceled is because it got him in major legal trouble with Clear Channel. And part of that is what ended up delaying CD even more - and made Axl more of a recluse than ever before. Axl was diagnosed as being manic-depressive, you will recall, around this time period.  : ok:

Oh, and when Axl didn't show up for that one gig (was it in Philly?), you know where he was?

In his hotel room, watching basketball on the TV.

Yeah, Buckethead leaving the band really fucked them all over!

Imagine how losing Buckethead made him feel too..... :(

That Nightrain solo was great.  No doubt he is an awesome player-

Someone hidden is viewing this thread.... it's Axl or Buckethead looking at the fan reaction. :rofl:

or ron saying "oh fuck...i'm out of a job!' :hihi:

Poor Ron.  :hihi:

Actually Axl was diagnosed manic depressive many moons ago, probably before GNR's inception if you do enough reading on him. ?He has done quite a few rants at shows in the 90's about being medicated and such....

Dude, Ron earned his stripes as far as Im concerned, if this isn't true, I won't be tottaly bummed out.

It makes sense if in fact true, I mean the guy is part of Chinese Democracy. So they perform at the VMAs with all musicians from the album, say a release date and back with Bumblefoot, there's no big deal.  :beer: :drool:

PS: Did MYGNR get hacked AGAIN!? :confused:

Shiryu.

Mysteron havent said FAKE to this one yet...(Or maybe he thinks the rumor is way out??)

Maybe it was just regular depression, then. I'll try to find the link.

Or maybe he's working or on a lunch or something..

or maybe he hasn't seen/heard this rumor yet...

haven't seen him logged on recently i dont think..

I dont think hes awake now dude. :D

We shall see tomorrow what the chosen ones preaches.

Now thats hilarious. :rofl:

Funny how the BH haters like to blame him for the Rio cancellation, but are blind to the fact that BBF was brought in right before the NY shows. Why couldnt the same thing have been done back then?

Maybe he is sleeping which is what I should be doing as it's the middle of the night here.

agreed! its 3 AM here... :nervous:

The fellating of Buckethead by his supporters in this thread is astounding.

2:55!

I believe it's 1:56 AM by me!  : ok:

Well that's true :hihi: But I think you got my point anyway.


I don't blame BH for the cancellation either, I think he just got frustrated with the band doing no progress (+ the cancellations) and decided to leave. But maybe Axl was waiting for him to come back and didn't hire a new guitarist right away.. but who knows.

He cant sleep when there is a rumor out here... :hihi:

To me, it's not about being a hardcore BH fan and wanting to see him in this band because of htat.

I want GnR to be the best band they can be - and be credible.   Robin Finck has emerged and Richard Fortus has evolved.  Buckethead has accomplished so much in his short career and is an absolutely undeniable talent.   Bumblefoot is a session musician with limited chops.... he brings nothing to the table worth mentioning.   Buckethead brings instant credibility to this band.

what is up with 'Hidden' viewers? Who could they be?

They locked this same thread at MyGNR.  Babies!  People should have some freedom of speech even if it is to discuss rumors.

Didn't see this thread there...BTW...did the site get hacked AGAIn? ???

Shiryu.

I'll add two points before I go to bed.

1)  I think all of the talk about Axl changing the lineup too much and that turning the casual audience off is totally unfounded.   To the casual fan, Buckethead being replaced by BBF or vice versa registers as pretty insignificant.   To the broader audience, either it's the original band or it is not.  I know we tend to overanalyze/theorize because we are 'hardcore' fans, but you have to look at things from a wider angle sometimes.

2) I just hope they DO perform and we see who the guitarist is.   I just wish Axl would come out and set some things in stone.  There's so much speculation wasting space on these boards..... and I would hate to see the number of posts in the past 2 years that center around being pro-BH or anti-BH.....   a total waste of space.

Mysteron will most likely shoot this down tommorow, but I believe it should be posted because it came from an unbias source on a non-gnr message board. I also had good dialogue with the poster and he seemed annoyed I kept asking questions.. lol at him not understanding gnr fan obsession.

I know people who've spoken with Bucket about the whole GNR thing and my first reaction to this rumor is that it's bogus because Bucket has had nothing positive to say about his GNR experience lately (to put it nicely!). Conversely, no one in GNR (except Brain of course) has had much nice to say about Bucket.

However, he is in Southern California, he doesn't have any conflicting dates, and he did participate for several years in the writing and recording of Chinese Democracy. If it is actually coming out with Bucket's parts on it, I could see why he would want to put himself out there with the band. He put as much into it as anyone and I'm sure he'd like to get some acknowledgment for his contributions.

He obviously isn't participating in the upcoming "tour" because of previous touring commitments, but that wouldn't preclude him participating in a later tour, once the album actually comes out. I'm sure he'd be more interested in touring behind an album which he contributed so much too than playing the same setlist of mostly old songs that he has no connection too night after night.

I'd personally love to see a reconciliation. Bumblefoot can play, but he hasn't really carved out a niche, and Bucket back in the band would definitely sweeten the comeback for me.

On a side note, Brain mentioned to a fan a while ago that he would possibly be playing some shows with Bucket in the Bay Area in August. Obviously that didn't come to pass, but maybe he was referring to some planned GNR shows that got put off for some reason...? Just speculating here...

We'll see on Thursday I suppose!

Not that I can see, I was just reading it a min ago-

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=78096

Some other sites got hacked though, I read earlier today. ?One run by gunsguy

man, you think a guy with a mask who talks through puppets and wears a kfc bucket on his head brings credibility??? :confused:

you are right in saying that bh has undeniable talent, but if we believe most things we hear, bbf was asked to join one week before the first show this year. so that means he had one week to learn bh's solo and all the songs, that not to shabby in my book and doesn't tell me he has "limited chops".

i hope ron stays, back in 2002 most folks i talked to thought gnr had become a complete circus, a sideshow and bh's image just fuelled this perception of the band.

Gnr has moved on in my opinion, image wise and with their attitude, so i dont see the need for bh to return

Cool, thanks : ok: I guess it's only on my pc :confused: .........I know, poor GunsGuy :no:

Shiryu.

Well, before I go to bed let me say one last time...........

I HOPE TO GOD THIS IS TRUE.. :peace:

Shame on people for not understanding GNR obsession! ?I have had the disease now since I was 13 in 1988 and haven't been cured yet! ?

Well, I guess I will see what has transpired with this manana, I am off to bed!

We just have to wait for the actual show to see if it's true or not. Or a press release :hihi: I just don't see a reason why Bucket would want to join Gn'R.. or why Axl would want him to join for one show. He should just keep the current line-up running..

Your perpetual ignorance in this thread is astounding.

I've given you plenty to reply to. You've chosen to forego responding in a mature manner. Oh, sure, in the beginning you were all fired up and ready to go - until you were continually proven wrong on almost all accounts. Now all you can muster is an inept, inane remark about "supporters" of Buckethead.

You may be surprised to find that I'm not a Buckethead supporter and hated him when he was in the band. But I like him a lot more now after seeing Ron play with them.

In the end, real rock music is judged on the music.      Pop music is all about image.

Do I like Bucket's image? NO. Do I wish he'd just be himself somtimes? Of course.

But there's one thing I know.   He can outplay Ron Thal, and its not a close match.

I don't think you'd ever hear people say "Thal's lead on the album is pretty weak, but at least the guy doesn't wear silly costumes!"   or "Buckethead's "TWAT" solo on Chinese Democracy is amazing, but his persona really distracts from the work!"


With real rock and roll music, you are judged on your merits.
Or you should be.

I think anyone who has ever made a comment about BH's 'stupid persona' needs to stop and think why we are on this message board. The music of GnR.   This isn't the red carpet with Joan Rivers.

Because they're going to announce a release date : ok: you wouldn't want to promote that with the lead guitarist of the cd not being present  :(

Kannon.

I hope Buckethead isn't going to be there. I hope this is all bullshit (the BH part), and that if the band is going to perform, they'll do so with Ron Thal. Enough of the fucking freak show.

I don't think this band needs another member switch. It's already a fucking joke, no need to turn it pathetic ...

I like the band as it is right now, better than ever ! I want those guys on the stage if it happens.

Well, we'll see :peace:

Interesting isn't it.
As much as BBF has generally been embraced by GNR fans it's clear BH still holds a lot of effection with the fans also - Kinda get the feeling people would drop BBF in a heartbeat for BH to return on Thursday evening.

Hook your heart monitors up!
 ;)

It could be true..

On the Trunk interview, Axl didn't really slam Buckethead. He just talked about him as any other person...

So maybe...

Well you have a point, but would they really announce the date at the VMA's :rofl:

well i hope to god this aint true... i prefer BBF as a player and member of GnR. He's got the GnR feel.

also,

BBF said he thought they werent playing the VMA's, so im calling bullshit.

if buckethead performs even once with GNR i will cry like ive never cried before.  IN A BAD WAY.  that weirdo leaving the band was a blessing, right now GNR looks like a rock band and bumblefoot is just as good.  remember that to get into the US mainstream image is everything, nobody wants to see some KFC chicken bucket wearing freak.

EDIT: that guy is a freakin forum troll who posted that, look at his threads being locked.  just by reading his posts for a few seconds i got annoyed with him.

Would be great to have Buckethead back! He's so cool :drool:

wow a replacement might be playing with replacement gnr :D :love:

Absolute bullshit

Let's hope Mysteron can put an end to this rumor quick smart.

BH coming back for a one off would be pointless. Why remove a member of the band (U can argue he isn't a member etc etc) for one show then bring him back? I don't think Axl would do that to BBF.

As for 4 guitars, in a studio setting sure, but on a live setting in a performance which is aired around the world, no thanks.

BH does add that something different sure. But do we really need him? Has BH not being in the band impacted on the European Tour and it's success? The way one or two solos is played is a small part and almost irrelevant to the general vibe the crowd get in a live show. This current line up is really tight and the crowd and onlookers can see that. A guy from my work who is familiar with GN'R and saw them at the 2002 VMAs and saw a couple of boots, much preferred the tight feel which the 06 gigs really had. He has heard the solos on the demos and didn't care about how they were being played live. Fortunately, the return of Axl's strong vocals and the tightness of this line up seem to grab the attention now, rather than a KFC hat.

I'm pretty confident that this won't happen.  They probably won't even perform.  If they do perform, Ron will be there.   Hasn't Ron talked about being on the US leg of the tour.

Don't believe what the guy told to Mr Intensity. Don't loose your time.

Topic locked?

I'm not believeing it.  Not even going to get worked up over this.

Please Shut Up!!!

It should be locked.. its pretty much bs. I'm not trying to diss Mr.I... I like the guy, but theres nothing but speculation here. Kinda reminds me of the "Reunion@ Download?!" rumors... and we know how that happened.

Like Axl would do some kinda crazy one off show.

Nothing against Mr Intensity: it's just he was probably told BS. Axl is not THAT stupid, he knows buckethead was a huge, huge factor of the 2002 desaster. GN'R was mocked because of "Buckethead the nightmare" (words of Tommy). Do you really think Axl wants this fiasco to happen a second time?
if so, you dream. They don't want to fail a second time, they want to succeed.

Beeing successfull = no buckethead
beeing mocked a 2nd time = Buckethead

Do you really think Axl is that stupid to choose the 2nd solution?? :rofl:
Dudes, use your head!  ;)

I'm with you on this.  It would be crazy to do this buckethead thing. It's obvious that no one in the band likes the guy.   Long Live Bumblefoot!!

Even though I disagree with your views on Buckethead... I almost forgot how much the band apparently disliked him. Why would they want him back when they dissed him so much after 02?

Doesn't eevryone want just a set group if this is serious?? I mean do you want izzy part time, buckethead here n there 3 guitar players too... Look at cd and how many people have been somewhat apart of this group during it's creation... You have huge who probably did ten times more then fortus based on when those leaks were recorded... You have buckethead who isn't in the band anymore either.. is this just some fun jam session or something real.. it's like lets play afd plus some illusions add a song here n there and not release the only album they have been waiting on for ages already..

It should be one band that writes the songs, no constant changing members... Look how much new gnr has changed from 1998-2006

That's right.  Different members every few years isn't the best thing.   They have a great thing going with what they have now.  Why change it?

We already know you hate Buckethead more than the devil himself, and hate his playing even more. Since BH is showcased on the majority of the material we have heard so far, what in the fuck are you waiting for? It clearly isn't Chinese Democracy. AFD Vol.2 isn't coming out anytime soon, so I dont really understand your interest or curiousity in this project.

Funny how before GnR went on tour Mr.Intensity was usually starting rumours or hinting that he knew insiders, then once the tour started he went quiet and now since there is space for rumour he has spoke up again.

For the love of god will some of you get over Buckethead. Some of you say "get over Slash" well some of you need to "get over buckethead" he's out of the band and has been for two fucking years now. Ron is in like it or leave.

Also Axl is presenting one award, and from that some of you have went into conspiracy nuts, just see what happens which will probably be nothink, he'll be on the TV 2 minutes present the award then walk off.

owned

Buckethead beeing back would destroy the good chemistry that is in the band right now.
I can't imagine him to come back. Especially not after what Axl said in the press release.
Besides that it was obvious the at least Robin and Tommy didn't get along with him very well.
AND : It would be a kick in the face for Bumblefoot. To me GNT in 2006 includes Bumblefoot !!!!!

To get him back would suck balls in my opinion

i meant GNR and not GNT......

and..to get Buckethead back would suck balls...

i am a litle confused today  ::)

Sorry

How in the fuck is that owning anything? Someone who doesnt stand out on the new songs insulting a guy who does. You sure have one warped definition of 'owning'.

it hasn't been that bad.  Robin, Tommy, and Dizzy have been there since the beginning (aside from Robin's brief departure to tour with NIN), and it was known that Paul never intended to be a full fledged member of the band, so when the tour was going to get underway, they brought on Richard, and he's stayed since then.   Chris has been there since 1999 or so.  Brain since 2000.  Buckethead is major difference as far as I can see.   People like Josh Freese and Paul Tobias, thats no different then Ole Bech or Traci Guns being in GNR before the AFD lineup got together.   GNR has always been a revolving door of musicans, but this time I think they got the right lineup and its here to stay.  :smoking:

As much as I like buckethead and his contributions to the album, I'd rather it just stay as it is.  Sadly, his image is what made the band appear to be a joke back in 2002.  Not in my eyes, but in the eyes of the critics (who oddly enough sing his praises now that he is gone).   The band has amazing chemistry now and theres no need to alter it.

Buckethead coming back would be the best thing bar a reunion of the original lineup

James is right, BH shines on the new stuff, lets have him back for CD

as far as the revolving door, it's been that way since the beginning. From AFD to UYI there was at least 2 different members. In an interview around the time of UYI, I remember an interviewer saying to Axl that the band was one member away from a Steely Dan-type situation. His response was that he and Slash were both fans of Steely Dan.

Also, look at who wrote the songs...weren't Chris Webber, West Arkeen, Del James, ets. all considered to be part of the inner circle. The point is, Axl uses any idea if it's good, regardless if that person is in the ?band or not.

Lastly, I remember someone who supposedly "knew" posted that Buckethead had recorded his best stuff ever for Guns n Roses, and that his departure hurt them in many ways....

I like Ron, but Bucket did write the stuff,,,,just get rid of the toy handing out bullshit, during the show. You can do that, later!

Buckethead does rock, but then again so does BBF...so I will be upset if BBF leaves, but I do really wanna hear Bucket play the stuff he wrote for CD live.

http://dizzyreed.com/site/

Now you can lock this topic - GN'R won't be performing on Aug 31st at the VMA.

I'm going to say this won't happen, BH is not back and if GNR perform it will be with Ron as will the US tour.

People have been saying BH made this band look like a joke which he did, but it's shit like this that makes this band a joke more than any dude wearing a chicken bucket. This apparent revolving door system with band members is ridiculous and will take much more ridicule from the media, because it no longer makes this a band in my view, where anybody could go at any minute and be replaced by anyone else.

For a start don't fix what isn't broken, and the current lineup works well, why that would all be risked for a guy who is clearly as hot and cold as Axl is, seems madness to me, when we have a perfectly able guitarist already in the band now. It just seems like something or someone is permanently trying to rock the boat with GNR and it's tiring.

Before this tour we had people who claimed they KNEW for a FACT Slash was returning for the shows and nothing happened. Now we have posters saying they KNOW GNR are in negotiations with BH again in time for the VMA's and the US tour. Forgive me if I'm sceptical. ?

That date has been scheduled for HnB for ages but the VMA performance rumours have continued in spite of it.

Exactly. What about the reunion at Download guys?  :hihi:. Or Rio? Hah.. yeah right.

Anyways.. Bumble does the new songs justice. I dont think many people have even bothered listening to the boots.. probably listened to one and assumed he sucked. Certain people have built up this false vendetta in their head. Honestly, check out TWAT @ Madrid and tell me he sucks. Bumble owns that solo just as well as Bucket would have. And I actually like his Chinese Democracy solo better than Buckets.

Anyways the point is that Buckets long gone. And good riddance. Im getting tickets to see him October 29th... so I don't want him in GNR. Plus, GNR doesn't need to be switching anymore guitarists....

This rumor is based off no facts in the very same way that the reunion rumors were. Topic SHOULD be locked.

Don't worry. It isn't.

anything's possible.. seeing Buckethead at the vma's would be great, seeing Axl+co. on stage would be great too.. part of me thinks Axl will not be at the vma's, although if he does show, it'll be to hand over an award only..

for me its saturday!!! :(

Naw you'll just sign on and read about it here  : ok:

Dude, I think I speak for many when I say - Stop saying "you can lock this topic". Besides being annoying, we've already know Dizzy is scheduled to play.

As for the rumour - much as many don't like Buckethead, like BBF, etc. This rumour would make sense in many ways. Bumblefoot has always talked as if he is there to fill in and not be a permanent member. The songs on CD were recorded with Buckethead, and by all accounts he will be on the album. If Buckethead left because there was no release date in the near future, it would make sense that he may want to return if things are looking good for a release.

The only thing that doesn't make sense is this "one off" business. If that's wrong info and Buckethead is rejoining, then this all makes sense.

One other thing - Why four warm up shows after you've come off a big tour? Either new songs are being played or some new band member needs to settle in?

I'm not saying I believe this, but you can't discount it, because it makes a lot of sense.

@#$%Funker

I pray to Lord this rumor is not true

I believe Axl is smart enough to know that BH is a joke that can only harm the GNR image that the band has been building through the European Tour. ?
No one in the band wants BH back either imo.

I hope they play on Thursday (not very likely though), but if I see BH joining my fav band on stage, I'll lose the great respect I have for Axl Rose. ?:no:

I'm locking this because it's useless speculation. We will find out soon enough whether it's true or not, although I personnally doubt it very much....