Here Today... Gone To Hell!

**edit** will be doing these again tonight!! :hihi:

- Our updater is headed to Hardrock now (5:00)
- Two of Cotis' friends were just photographed for the next issue of Rolling Stone (7:22)
- Photo of the line from earlier (7:45)
- Everyone is inside - Photo of the Stage (8:40)
- Setlist was seen.? Appears to be the same as last night (8:57)
- Hoob is on stage (9:05)
- Hoob played 1 minute of Civil War and Another Brick in the Wall.? Now off stage (9:45)
- Picture posted of Hoob Guitar Pick and Fortus Guitar Pick (9:54)
- Cotis says I'll receive updates every few songs unless something extraordinary happens (10:50)
- According to Sound Techs at the show, Hoob left the stage earlier than expected.? The show is expected to start in 20 minutes (11:10)
- Lights Down (11:17)
- Axl says Izzy is somewhere in Mexico in the desert in a truck, before Patience (12:58)
- Waiting for an encore (1:11)
- During Nightrain Merck was running around in front of the stage
- The show ended at 1:32

Setlist:

1. Intro
2. Welcome to the Jungle
3. It's so Easy
4. Mr. Brownstone
5. Live and Let Die
6. Fink Solo
7. Sweet Child O' Mine
8. Knockin' On Heaven's Door
9. You Could Be Mine
10. Piano Moving Jam
11. Dizzy Solo
12. Blues
13. Band Intro
14. Better
15. Fortus Solo - Beautiful
16. Out Ta Get Me
17. Piano Moving Jame
18. Axl Piano Solo - November Rain
19. Ron Solo
20. My Michelle
21. IRS
22. Used to Love Her
23. Patience
24. Nightrain

Encore
25. Madagascar
26. Paradise City

Picture of the Line at Hard Rock
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Picture of the Stage
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Picture of picks from Hoob (Left) - & - Fortus (Right)
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I'll be sending BluesGNR updates tonight!! As well as some pics he said he'll upload during the show.  : ok: : ok:

Woohoo!   :D 

Thanx, guys!  :beer:

awesome!!!!! school tomorrow so wont be able to be here while the action takes place but looking forward to reading about 20 pages in the morning!! have fun dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm actually hoping Sean (BluesGNR) will just update his first post in this thread, a lot easier wouldnt you guys think?

yeah probably will be easier, smart..

when u get to page 3 and on, ur guna have a million noobs saying "wheres the updates!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" but oh well ;D

I was planning on doing just that!

Yeah, we saw that last night haha... Hopefully they all have to work in the morning and don't show up...  :hihi:

I'd rather not,but I guess whatever works for him!! : ok:

How about I update the main post and then post it again as a second post? That way it's all in one spot and those that want to search can search.  :peace:

Sounds good...

GREAT NEWS

Was just at the camera shop downstairs in NY,NY...I GOT A BATTERY CHARGER

So I'll be posting some pics in a little bit, and will take more tonight!!!  :peace:

Whatever suits you, I'm grateful anyway! ;D

Hooray for the battery!  :D

Thanks again, Blues and cmz.
You two deserve some positive karma.  :beer:

Please dont forget EFISH...he was my right hand man last night!

Positive's cool.. I think we'd all be happy with "0" haha

word

so does the today show sold out ?

yes..thats what I was told yesterday.

cool  ;D

Someone care to check if they have some new shirts designs etc on sale in the u.s tour? :D

yes they do...if you go to the 9-16 thread i posted what is on them no pics yet though

hey guys

heading out right now to go down to the Hard Rock and stuff.

I'm sending BluesGNR updates tonight so stay tuned!

good luck have fun, can you go on AIM for like 1 second? : ok:

And he's on the hunt to find the band members as he just stated 1 minute ago to me :drool:

Beautiful  8)

Ok guys, I'm off to the show!! I'm still exhausted from last night, so I know I'll be calling into work tomorrow morning! Oh well, it's fuckin Gn'R!!! ?i'll give a review tomorrow, but I'm sure someone will beat me to it! Rock n Roll!!!!

Sweet deal.  It's going to be a great night.  I'm headed out for some dinner but I'll be back soon to post the updates as they arrive.

Don't forget to post the pics, Cotis.  :yes:

Also don't forget to kiss Axl for me.

I'm not going to be able to stay up till 3 am tonight to watch for the updates cuz I have to go to work tomorrow.  Thanks in advance for the updates that I will read tomorrow :D

;D

That is awesome!!  Are they selling tickets for tonights show at the box office?  If so, anyone in Vegas who was on the fence about attending, might want to try and snag the last few tickets available at face value, before a scalper get's them!

Humm.. wonder if they are just covering the gigs or because they want to make some big article about the band... :P

Guess we'll see in a few weeks...

They always cover a few gigs and post some people's comments that attended.  Good press either way!

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So what do you guys think?  Same setlist as last night. I don't see how it would be any different but you never know.  I would really like the to play TWAT again.  I won't be terribly bothered if they don't mix it up a bit, but it would be really nice.

Tbizzle

PS.  Last night I realized how cool this forum is and probably will be posting hear alot more.

I think they'll do something different. Most of the people going are the same people that went last night. They should prove to them that they don't do the same setlist. I'm almost positive that they're going to play Chinese Democracy tonight. They might try T.W.A.T again to just as like a nice little surprise for the die-hards

Either way, i won't complain, but the trolls will, it's as if they EXPECT something huge to happen at every show. ::)

Yea, I agree.  What really matters is if the people who paid to be AT the show had a good time.  It's great to get boots and stuff and updates, but if I didn't go to the show, do I really deserve it.  I was at Hammerstein on the 15th and the setlist was basically the same as last night and that show was a blast.  We should appreciate the fact that they're playing.

Tbizzle

I jsut want a strong show and the new shit they play should be their best efforts of the night. And mixing up of the new songs they play. Like TWAT and all that shit.

well said

It would have been cool to ignore these boards for awhile if you knew you were going to one of the shows.  How sweet would it have been to see the show and hear Better or IRS for the first time in a live environment?

I prefer to have the studio song (even if its a demo) just so I know it, rather than hearing it for the FIRST time live.. but everyone's a opinion is different I guess

I agree there EFISH.

Totally agree with you.. I love hearing the studio track first.. except for the blues.. that was awesome to hear live for the first time  :peace:

What time did Axl and the boys hit the stage last night.

I think technically it was this morning when they started.

It was 10:45PM vegas time : ok:

Why can't GNR arrive on time for once?

Is Phantom Planet opening again tonight?


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alright, I'm over it.

Ill be up for about 2 more hours.. anyone up for a chatroom now? ;D


Hoobastank is tonight.

Beggers can't be choosers but I would like something different tonight....Rhiad at the very least.  Civil War or Yesterdays would be great.

Picture of the Stage
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We should get something different tonight.. It's an anything goes kind of evening... pull out all stops and let it rip.. I'd love to hear Rhiad

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join everyone, JOIN!

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happy :P

Hopin for a change in setlist tonight like everyone else, but trust me no matter what seein GN'R in person is worth it. ?Hopin for some T.W.A.T or maybe The General?

Cotis just sent me this, im sure he sent it to you too Blues but i beat ya to it :hihi:

Hobastank might play civil war, someone yelled it and he said just wait

Didn't get that one boss... Bummer! :o

i hope somebody will bootleg this ;D

That would be awesome.  Their cover of it was pretty damn good.

Tbizzle

I have no doubts that it's being recorded by a few people ?:hihi:

and the last show ? ( 16th ?? )
Is there any boots ?

ask Cotis if he can record the song on his phone

The 16th show ended less than 24 hours ago.... It'll take time to surface.

yup it has to be clean up unless you want a shitty bootleg

that rocks! cool of them to do that, please the fans :yes:

Hahahaha i know ... but i was just asking if someone has recorded it
I remenber the first audio we've got from Hammerstein was just like that , noise ..

And what time is in Vegas now ?

9:50

World Clock for Vegas....
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=127

I thought there would be some bootlegs of last night's show .  I checked Youtube  and nothing .  Looks like nobody gives a  fuck about this band here in the States.  I only saw 1 review  from last night's show  on these boards .  Everybody on these GNR  boards is European.   Vegas  didn't even sell out lol     


LONG LIVE VELVET REVOLVER     !!!!!!!!!!!


AXL IS DOOMED IN THE STATES .     


BTW  Mr Rose    just because you are a poser   doesn't mean the rest of your band was .    And last time i looked  Slash  wasn't white  .   

Picture of picks from Hoob (Left) - Fortus (Right)
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No need for that here tonight.  We wont get a decent recording of these shows immediately.  All of the recorders are there again tonight and wont release it exactly 3.2 minutes after the show, even though some people here require that - as if they have that authority.

Secondly, considering the concentration of the shows in select regions, they've sold well.  With no promotion, its better than most bands do...

Why did you guys respond to him?

I was hoping a fresh page would erase such gratuitousness from memory.

Aside from drama, look forward to checking out what goes on with the show, rock on guys and have a blast. Its awesome , all ready I feel the excitement.

THe pic of "the line" reminded me of the first night of hammerstein, fuckn down the block around the corner, , good shit, those pics posted in the last night thread, were sweet. Soon enough they will be on the east coast, but fuck this is nice seeing,seeing the goin ons, ulimately I just want the band to really rise again.
:beer:

That was a long fuckin' line dude... That shit wrapped around the block by like 4:30

Has anything happened yet or is it to early?


 :peace:

Hoob left the stage half hour ago... where is the updates BluesGNR ?!
I think cd wil be play tonight maybe TWAT. : ok:

Waiting for GNR to take the stage..

haha.. I can only give ya what I've got..

Im going to sleep, cant wait to read reviews/see pics in the morning. Have fun guys, try and stick to the updates to keep this thread clean. Thanks Cotis and BluesGNR for the updates, this thread wouldn't be here without you! Goodnight everyone :beer: Lets hope for a smooth show...

Nothing to update.. I'll let you know when the lights go down and the show starts.. until then, we wait. ?If it's like last night, it should be within the next 30 minutes..

He'll update as he gets them. its not like hes hoarding information  :rofl:

Later man and good points..

Once the show starts, please hold comments to yourselves or post them in the DISCUSSION thread, not the update thread.. that'll keep this clean and serve the purpose of just updates. ?You can read here and go discuss it in the next thread. ?Please adhere to that. ?:peace:

This fine gentleman has been banned for a few days. He can sleep a bit and think better until the next time he posts shit like this.

If this shit continues, there will be more bans.

This is an example for the rest of you.

Is there any way to lock this thread so only I can update it? They have a discussion thread... it'd make life pretty sweet for me tonight.  Either way, it's cool.. Just a thought.  :peace:

Unfortunately not.

Do not answer to people who post stupidities, just post the updates.

The rest will find what they're searching for... All of them...

Awesome!! :peace: Give us some TWAT!!!!!!!! :drool: :drool:

Shiryu.

*Sigh*

I'm getting so tired of this setlist. Come on, Axl. This is the third tour you've basically used the same songs on in the same order. Take away Better and IRS and it's basically 2002's setlist.

Hmm let me guess, Sweet Child O' Mine, The Blues and KOHD coming up sometime pretty soon?  :hihi:

I'm guessing SCOM or Better..

but I do think we'll get something different from last night  :peace:

Dunno why but I get a weird feeling we'll hear Civil War tonight.

No idea why.

Hope so!

Me too..  Hoob would have played the full song otherwise...  It's time that we break out some UYI tracks into the set.  We need them.

Yeah, I think in a weird sort of way NOT playing more of their back catalog really does make it seem like a Greatest Hits band...it's basically Appetite with a couple Illusions and a handful of new songs - sometimes less than a handful!

When you think of how many songs GN'R really have from old albums it's amazing they continue to only play these songs.

Back Off Bitch, You're Crazy [Acoustic], Civil War, Yesterdays, Estranged, Coma, Don't Cry - get with it, Axl!  :hihi:

Sweet Child O Mine is too epic of a song to be played 6th!!

Ohh well, I hope its a great show. looking foward to the reviews.

It's been played consistently early in the sets since May..

I think it's a well-flowing set.  The die hard fans are just growing tired of the redundancy.  But, on the other hand, it's new to quite a few people.  :peace:

It's maybe on of the best sets that GNR can do, but ... like you said, for die hard fans we want something new ...
And Axl should know that playing 2 nights at the same place for a smale audience would be for diehard fans ... so they should try something new that would be well received ...

It'd be nice.  Historically, they won't.  Hammerstein was fairly consistent... a song here and there and, of course, the guest appearances on the 4th night.. but still basically the same setlist.  I think tonight will be consistent with the night before, but maybe a different song (we can only hope).

I recall an interview from back in the day where the band were asked about there setlists and I think Duff replied " We have a setlist but we hardly ever go by it, we just play what we wan't when we wan't otherwise it becomes like a 9-5 job and we would get sick of that real quick"

That was Duff talking about back in the day...  :peace:

Yeah, that's why VR play the same setlist every night hey Duff? :hihi:

Good point - but they've got a more restrictive catalog to choose from (1 album).  They're best songs brought forth are by GNR and STP... I only really care for a few of VR's songs.  That's the epitome of redundancy.

GNR does mix it up - not much, but some.  It was extremely consistent from 87-89 and 91-93.... Its just a matter of "now we see it on the internet" regularly and it makes it seem even more redundant.  :peace:

Throw a spanner into the works AXE and give us Reckless Life. That would absolutely blow everyone's mind

Wasnt it on the rio video ? Didnt he say they they dont have a setlist it's a call list.

Yeah, that'll happen  :hihi:

BluesGNR  do u know if they did any of the piano moving jams

Yeah, they did one before The Blues  :peace:

none before nr solo just askin

u are doing 1 hell of a job

i hope u do not take my comment bad on the 3rd cd set of 5,15 i really have no idea

Thanks! No problem.. but thanks for letting me know about the 5.15 show  :beer:

can u ask him if the did a piano moving before nr if they did not it would be a first plz

I asked.. I'll let you know when I hear back from him  :peace:

thank u kindly i just wanna have a complete set.
u are doing awsome

The did do the piano-moving jam before november rain.. You're in luck!  :peace:

thank u dude

Anytime man.   :peace:

do not take this personally dude this is how i track mine


1. intro
2. Welcome to the Jungle
3. It's so Easy
4. Mr. Brownstone
5. Live and Let Die
6. Fink Solo
7. Sweet Child O' Mine
8. Knockin' On Heaven's Door
9. You Could Be Mine
10. Piano Moving Jam
11. Dizzy Solo
12. Blues
13. Band Intro
14. better
15. Fortus Solo - robin finck Beautiful
16. Out Ta Get Me
17. piano-moving jam
18. Axl Piano Solo - November Rain
19. Ron Solo
20. My Michelle

No prob.. fixed  :peace:

Setlist:

1. Intro
2. Welcome to the Jungle
3. It's so Easy
4. Mr. Brownstone
5. Live and Let Die
6. Fink Solo
7. Sweet Child O' Mine
8. Knockin' On Heaven's Door
9. You Could Be Mine
10. Piano Moving Jam
11. Dizzy Solo
12. Blues
13. Band Intro
14. Better
15. Fortus Solo - Beautiful
16. Out Ta Get Me
17. Piano Moving Jame
18. Axl Piano Solo - November Rain
19. Ron Solo
20. My Michelle
21. IRS

dude u did not have to i just put it that way so we have a complete set sorry if i afonded u if i did

Nah, it's cool..  This way there's no confusion later  :beer:

WOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOW

again u da man tonight ?give this guy a beer

WOW Used To Love Her. First time without Izzy?

A beer and a bed.. I'm exhausted from doing nothing all night ?:hihi:

Looks that way... Pretty cool if you ask me.

yeah i was just listing to that song from donington micpad rec

great setlist

there was a time or c.d. would be cool right now

Unless you count the club shows it was played at.

was IUTLH the serious/normal version or the kinda messing around one*but still sounds great* :hihi: :drool: :drool:

Kannon.

I'd imagine a regular version... Not sure though.  We'll see when the bootlegs come around.

BluesGNR ?when we get to pc can u ask him or tell now to let us know of a ron solo i had to ask last night

sorry to be a pushy bastard

Sure I can ask... I know Ron did a Don't Cry solo last night and tonight

the 1 before pc usually

I'll ask then  :peace:

would be cool for encore maddy,cd,twat and pc  :drool:

May not be too far fetched.. Time will tell..  :peace:

that would be 1 hell of an f'n encore

either cd or twat is next because i dont think axl would wanna end both nights with the same encore

if it runs true to form it will be pc next no fink solo but we will see do not forget to ask

I'd hope so..

I think I know why Axl doesn't want to play TWAT ...
Its because in Madrid it was horrible ... and only because of his voice
It requests to much of his vocal capassity ...

(Hopes for Rhiad)

I hope you started crossing your fingers a year ago... I'd LOVE to hear them do it... But I doubt we'll see it

THIS IS A TRUE DREAMER !!

I hope you're right man !! I would love that !!

do not hold your breath

any solo before pc

No solo before PC

probably not. well good night everyone

AGAIN, THANKS A LOT for your uploading ...
You rock

damn
thank you for all your had work u made my night dude love it thank u to u and cotis

You're welcome.... and I hope everyone enjoyed the updates! :peace: :peace:

What is going on with all the setlist? BORING! Boring in the sense that a ?new album is "supposed" to be right around the corner and these guys are more and more starting to look like a cover band. Also whats' with all the damn solos? Dizzy's doing solos now? Solos kill the flow of the show in my opinion. ?Whatever. how does the band sound tonight? anybody know? If they sound tight at least thats' a ?positive.

AND COTIS !! FOR SURE ...
than you both guys !!

yeah cheers for that. Pretty cool that you did that for everyone. :beer:

My hat's off to Cotis... You're welcome, on behalf of both of us. 

 :beer:

Good work you 2! : ok:
Thank you!!

Sure.. maybe they'll fix this darn Karma point now (and for EFISH) :hihi:

Now ... :
Trully ... AXL needs to change this setlist ... its totally predictible ...
THE 2 night were just the same ...
Its has no kind of reason to do this shows ...
At least i think that a warm up show would be teasting all the bands capassity for the tour

Anyway, I'm happy that AXL is still doing shows, and his voice is great
The band have always sounded great in 06'

I agree. It's getting really lame. Again though I suppose there's a method to all this. Maybe all this stuff is just a warm up for the "real tour" which starts October 24th. If nothing changes after October 24th than I don't think theres' ever gonna be an album. Like you said though the one positive thing is the band sounds good even if the shows are mostly a tribute to old Gn'R. ::)

The show ended at 1:32..


The first review says 'FUCKING AWESOME'

This is it for me.. all updates are consolidated on the first page. 

Enjoy! Goodnight! And remember...


- Blues GNR

Good Night !!
Take care

i'm going right now too ... :D

man, i just woke up....

sounds like a good show

Thanks for those who provided the updates. I greatly appreciate your patience and work to rely the messages to us.
I think the guys should of played some new material during the Vegas shows, maybe they are just freshing up and they will throw some new stuff into the cali warmups. I dont really want to bitch about the setlists because I am very happy that we have the honor to have this band playing live again. These warmup shows are going to mostly have the die hard fans in attendance and most of us already know what setlists have been played during the Euro tour, and during the Vegas shows, we are mostly the only ones bitching. However the general people in the US need to know Chinese is really going to be coming out before they support this band, and what better way to do that than mix in a couple more new songs. Keep the staple Guns songs and dish out some new material. This is a reason why the 2002 tour shows did not sell out. Most people need a product to support it. Again I am not bitching I am happy as fuck to have Axl and the guys back in the states playing music. I have supported Guns since I was 8 years old and I dont want them to fail they hold the potential to rule the world again.

We will not hear a previously unheard song before the release of the single/album. I strongly believe this. At the very least, tonight I was hoping to hear Rhiad with the new band and the restored voice or at least an Illusion song.

But it's all good since Axl is out and touring.

Saw '91 in Dallas, '92 or so in Seattle and Vancouver, as well as House of Blues 01.01.01 and Joint 01.01.02.

This show was REALLY good.  Thoughts:

- No Rocket Queen.  They did play "Used to Love Her". 

- Axl seems much more comfortable then past Vegas shows.  It's great to see them after the European tour so they are at the top of their game rather than a true warm-up.  Axl had major sound difficutlites and bitched specifically about feedback on the right side.

- I'm pretty sure he mentioned that he asked Izzy to be there but it just didnt' work out so he sent his best wishes.

- I bumped with the crowd on the front right.  Not sure why people show up early so they can stand there and get pissed if you jump around.

- Two of the Hoob guys came down near the end to watch from the crowd.  They were mouthing the AFD lyrics and seemed awed.

- Most amazed that I was the only one in that section who knew lyrics to new songs.  I guess a Sunday night crowd is not going to be die-hards who traveled to be there, just locals.  (I came from LA.)

- Weirdest moment was hanging out near Steven Adler and his small entourage around 10:00 just outside the front doors.  (Guilty of no photos - sorry.)  They talked to some dude wearing a 'Pink Floyd' shirt who was trying to get them backstage.  It's weird to be so close to a legend, yet feel really sympathetic for him. 

- Some guys on my side were throwing cups and flipping off Axl.  I don't get it??  Must be locals who squeezed in.  Security eventually caught up with them and dragged them out.  Impressive!! Axl dodged a highly arched cup and kept his cool.

- Chatted up a couple of random people.  Amazed that three of people I spoke to were huge '90's fans yet don't follow any website.  I plugged this HTGTH incessantly.

- For whatever reasons, was disappointed by the '02 Joint performance.  This one rocked so immenesly I was wishing I went the night before.

- Great show.  As Hammerstein and Hammersmith folks know, the small arena is an amazing experience.  I'm blowing off Inland Invastion and San Diego, hoping the pop up here again.

Hoping CD released soon!!
-K

Excuse me but I was in Madrid and TWAT was amazing. The reason why they won't play it is cause it's a long and difficult song for the crowd to get into... It's like playing Estranged back in 1991 before the albums were out.


How many shows have you attented so far in 2006?

For all the others that keep on crying about the same setlist. It's getting boring.

All you do is sit back at home, read the internet, and cry cause they won't change the setlist. You're not at the show.

Everybody who's going to the shows loves them. At least the majority.

I mean, GET REAL. Go to a show, if you don't like it don't go again.

But this constant whinning about the same setlist is annoying.

I've been to 6 shows on this European tour and they were all amazing, even though they played mostly the same songs at every show.

However each show was different.

Madrid: TWAT, CD, and let's not forget the soundcheck we got to listen before the show.
Lisbon: One of the biggest festivals in the world, Tommy broke his bass, amazing show
Athens: Pink Panther theme, Light My Fire and that moon, oh my God, that moon.
Wembley 1: Sailing, Izzy with the band and 2 other covers
Acoustic: Well, no need for any comments on this one
Wembley 2: You gotta move by Izzy and Del, Sebastian singing the last song and half of nightrain

I'm getting really pissed off at all of you who sit at your pc, read the updates and all you can say is:

"THIS IS NOT EXCITING, CHANGE THE LIST".

All I can tell you is:

YOU ARE NOT EXCITING, GO TO A FUCKIN SHOW!

Read this guy's post carefully and tell me he didn't get excited.

Get a fuckin ticket and go to a show, then cry all you want. But please stop doing it on the update threads while you're back home...

exactly. I don't get the whining either. The shows are awesome and every show has it's unique specialties.  : ok:

hey guys...just got back

some some questions, and yes there was a piano jam before NR.

cheers for the updates guys, greatly appreciated from the other side of the pond (and all over am sure). ?Sounds great - ?wish I'd been there...

and yes, stop whining some of you! what the hell are you on??? You're becoming the board's very own TD for chissakes! (TD - technical difficulties)

 :peace:Gn'R :peace:

In my previous post I asked you how many times have you seen GN'R in 2006.

I found the answer in the HTGTH fan survey.

You have not seen them once in 2006, yet you say how bad TWAT sounded in Madrid, and how boring is the setlist.

Check my previous post about the whinning. You're one of the people I'm talking about...

and dont forget anythinggoes :hihi:

Look people like it or lump it this will basically be the going setlist until the album is announced or released, so get over it a lot of the people going to the show havnt seen GNR live so why not give them the old songs, its not like your not getting any new ones at all is it.

Two of the eight shows i went to only had 1 new song The Blues did you see me bitching and moaning no and i didnt see anyone at them shows moaning either Maybe confussion at Wembley. The only bitching seems to be people in threads that havent even been to a show. Try going to a show you might actually find yourself enjoying it.

Yeah.  I "watched" the East Coast and European shows from HTGTH - and "just watching" got boring and made me cynical.  Being able to stroll up twelve people from the front and hear some the best lyrics in the best rock voice is UNBELIEVABLE.  It's rock-n-roll, not brain-surgery.  Enjoy.

BTW - Forgot to mention a fellow-fan ran into Axl in the Hard Rock workout room about two hours before the show.  Amazing!!

BTW - This American thinks Europe has saved Rock-n-Roll.  Your passion and devotion are amazing.  Thank you!!

I think playing four or five new songs per gig is a pretty good number until the album is out, but they could really up the excitement of these gigs if they mixed up the oldies a bit. It wouldn't kill them to throw a Civil War or Yesterdays in there once in a while. I went to all the Vegas gigs in past years, but held out this time just because I knew it would be the same show.

I just can't understand the moaning about the setlist. Whether it changes or not is not even relevant.

Who are the shows/setlist for? The people at the concert, right? Surely we can agree on that! It's not for people sitting on the internet counting what's played where.

The majority of people who go to the concerts go to one concert and don't give a fuck, or even know what was played at the other concerts. Some people on here are so stuck in their internet world, that they forget the real one.

@#$%Funker

Stuck indeed.

Again, what a bunch of fuckin crybabies.

Concert was amazing, the crowd was loving it.  8)

There was one sour puss next to us though: Fat guy, long pork chops, thick glasses, who paid 150 bucks so he could shout "It's not the same without Slash!". While Dizzy was playing he would scream "You suck, I don't care about you, I came here to see Axl." He screamed the same type of crap at Finck too..........why would anybody pay 150 bucks to scream "Slash" at this new group? I'd make a huge bet that he was a poster on this board, friggin 10-1.

I've never seen such a bunch of unappreciative crybabies in my life then on this board. Most of all are living in 1991, wrapped up in some internet fantasy world where they know what is best for Axl, what he should play, how he should play it. ::) Get a fucking life.

WTF!!!
Steve Adler was there???
please explain  :hihi:

I totally understand the moaning about the setlists. I saw them at Hammerstein this year and while it was a great show in many aspects, it also had a huge deal of predictability.

Ill see their shows when they hit the east coast, however I really hope they start to do something new. The pre Illusion 1991 shows were so often changed it was crazy and they didnt give two shits about "pleasing the fans with hits".


I want to see what this bands capabilities are, if you are sitting on a goldmine of incredible songs, why not play them? Surely they will become the classics we all enjoy from Appetite.

I know they can nail Jungle and the rest of Appetite, and the new tunes sound pretty sweet, but you shouldnt have to play nearly 60shows of the same opening trio of songs. Its inexcusable.

Pretty Tied Up, Right Next Door To Hell, Perfect Crime, Welcome to the Jungle, Nightrain, Its So Easy, You Could be Mine, Out Ta Get Me were all used to open up the Illusions tour.

Give us some fun. ?: ok:

Thanks for the updates people...While I was watching football yesterday I realized the GNR had just played their first show for the warmup part of the tour.....Thank God.....We should all just enjoy the fact that they ARE playing shows and they sound excellent. All the new stuff - updated setlists, album, single, video - will come to us in time. Just be patient and for those of you who are whining.......stop being selfish and appreciate the fact that you are seeing such an amazing band and an amazing lead singer in your lifetime and in your youth. Their are A LOT of things that are much more important to be complaining about like a little bitch.....CD will be in our possession in due time...... :peace:

Steven Adler lives in Las Vegas. It's not hard to believe that he tried to get backstage...

Any in-depth reviews yet?

I wanna hear if Adler got backstage - that would be funny.

I'd love to hear a story about that!   :peace:@#$%Funker

There's no way Adler would be allowed backstage. He's always saying he wants a reunion and has been writing to Axl asking him to do it.
Can you imagine, Axl walks off stage and Adler is there asking about a reunion and trying to get his hands on some drugs.

None that I've seen. Just whining about the setlist per usual.  :-\

Where are the fucking media reviews??

Here, here. Well said.

If you are one of the ones moaning about the setlist but havent actually seen the band - shut up and go see them.
We are the hardcore here - if you know of GNR and arent necessarily a big fan i.e. a casual fan. You would want to hear all 'the hits'. They are such a huge band with well known songs that many are undropable. You have to play Jungle, SCOM, Nov Rain etc.

Axl aint here to satisfy the few of us borderline obsessives he wants the band to be mainstream popular. We are very lucky to be hearing so many New songs (yes that includes one's played at Rio/Vegas 01) before the album is out.

He aint going to rock up and start playing estranged. Get used to it.

-Greg

You make a really good, correct point Greg. BUT I wouldn't make it seem too outta the question for Axl to play a song or two for the diehard fans. Many bands that are as popular as GNR play the hits plus a few for the diehard fans. It's not asking a lot from Axl and the band, but GNR will do things how they want and well, how they are used to.

Edit, sorry for making the point more based toward you Greg, but it's more just a general statement toward others. I know people have said the same things I have said, just thought I would say it though, just so it's not all kept in haha.

they plays 4 or 5 songs for the DiHard fans.

the casual fans don't know the leaked demos dude.

review in the on tour section! along with pics!

i'd like to say the new songs are really, really promizing. I liked them all. This is probbaly one of the best positive point out there.
I re-discovered "madagascar", and "Chinese Democracy" is a strong Rocker. That song is under-rated among the fans i think.

ya but their new songs, not older songs that the older gnr fans know. I get what you're saying though... I'm just on the side of that its not unreasonable to throw in some older songs that the diehards love.

not everyone here is a crybaby. Just several ish posters are.

prolly the same people will be whinning about as how they don't play enough AFD songs in the future. :hihi:


good call.

no pics from this show?

check out the 'GN'R on tour' section...  : ok:

Ok Guys, heres my review. I went to the Rainbow agian at about 5:30, started drinkin, didnt quit until 4am . Anyways, the show started and ended a bit later than Saturday. As you've already seen, same setlist, Used to love her instead of Rocket Queen. I skipped Hoobastank, went in about 10 minutes after they finished. Once Jungle started, got to the front pretty much right away. Robin was so wasted :) i got to hug him when he came down in front. During one song he sat down onstage and faced his amps and played for a couple minutes. At the end of patience, something happend, Axl ran of stage, I could see him yelling at someone, then right after that, and for the rest of the show, merck was running back and forth in front of the stage, almost like they were looking for someone. I was able to hear Axl a lot more tonight, he was way louder in the mix. At the end of Used to Love her, Axl said soemthing to the effect "We invited Izzy, he's off racing his truck in Mexico, but hes here in spirit" all in all, great show, I'm mad that the weekends over, oh well, I get to see them again in 2 weeks in bakersfield!!

Ok, the one moment that pissed me off.....I REALLY wanted the mic......Oh, and I noticed that Axl uses a different Mic for Paradise that he throws. Anyways, at the very end of Paradise, I moved back to the middle of the floor, where I saw the mic go the ngiht before. He throws it, goes rght over my head, I turn around, people are all jumping for iti saw it get kicked, and I jump for it....i was 12 inches away....ya know what happend?  Security was throwing people out of the way, and a security guard got it....that pisses me off...that is something for the fans, i was pissed, but oh well, nothign I can do about it, great fuckin show!!

Thanks for the review and I can't believe the fucking security guard got the mic.  That's fucking bull shit.  I would have taken that mother fucker down for that microphone, security or not.  But I'm glad you had a fun and safe time this weekend.  That's fucking awesome.

What's wrong with the setlist?? I'm sure new songs will be added to the set when the album comes out.  I went to the concert with someone that has never seen GNR live.  The setlist they have been playing is perfect for new and old fans.  Oh and the band sounded awesome on Saturday and I don't see any reason why they wouldn't sound amazing Sunday.

The solos were fine and not too long.  Dizzy's solo actually kicked ass.  Although Slash's solos kicked ass, the old GNR had a lot more solos (bagged on as being boring in the day).  Maybe you miss the 15-minute Matt Sorum drum solo.

Do you guys that bitch at the setlist really believe that playing 10 CD songs, 4 or 5 which have not been heard, would be better for GNR??  The setlist now satisifies a greater range of GNR fans and not just fans like us who know every setlist since NY.  If you want to keep moaning about the same thing every concert, why not just wait for those special accoustic 5am shows.  But then again, you will still be disappointed that the setlist doesn't live up to YOUR expectations.

The set list lacks imagination for the ever fathfull followers such as ourselves but the reality is that the majority of the crowd will be experiencing new guns for the first time and also getting reaqauainted with the material after a long abscence. Also the new guys dont want to be burdend with learning more from the vast back catologue of material, the time is coming ever closer when they can display creations that they had a hand in and realy cement there prints on the guns n roses name. Dont get me wrong theres nothing that id love to hear more than civil war , estranged and dont cry, but the reality is it aint gonna happen. I would have major reservations about axl being able to do justice to these songs live even if he did decide to play to them, I am content to listen to the original\ recordings. Anybody who thinks axls voice is stronger than ever is seriously misguided, listen to knocking on heavens door from the freddie tribute in 92, the vocal histrioncs were the most powerfull of the day, there was a richness and textural depth the axl will never regain, the racous delivery that is so integral to several numbers is no longer there. The voice in general though is much better than 2002 and on the new songs especially better axl delivery is fantastic. The new material will complement axl 2006 voice and  we will get less and less old songs. This is a new band and one which is continualy evolving, I am excited and eager to hear` new material, great versions of old songs will not be enough to sustain this reincarnation of the guns n roses beast, only a relevant album which connects with a new audience will be suffice. Its not and never has been a case of winning over a disenfranchised fanbase, it,s winning over a fan base that is yet to be yours, that is the challenge. Yearning for old material while understandable is also myopic and counter productive to the goals of the band. Guns have allways given way to much time for solo meanderings and pretentious and pointless mastubatory solos, i am dissapointed that the new band is continuing with this course, its very spinal tap and utterly destroys any momentum that has been gained. The only solo i ever liked what slashs inro to double talkin jive, the godfather theme. By the way does anybody have any photos of pete Poslthewaite from the vegas show.

are there less solos and jams now compared to the beggining of the europeean tour?.. or you just don't post the jams in the update?

I bitch about the set beacause to me they show a total lack of progress and forward motion by this band. The sets are almost the same as they were in 2002.  I know that the "real tour" starts on October 24th so I'll keep a bit of faith that after that point things are gonna change. I also bitch at the lack of mention regarding CD towards the fans. If these concerts are in fact warm up gigs why not just say that. If Axl were to say that then there woudl be no bitching about the setlists I can gaurentee that.. Well almost no bitching :rofl:

Me! me! Me!
I wonder what could misguide me. maybe belcanto.  :D


appearently some fans made all the shows of this year so far. lucky people aren't they?
and yet whining! :hihi:

Well you can't lose what you lacked at conception ppbebe, Although your ignorance is still inexcusable. Im sure that many peoles minds on this forum have no reccolection what so ever pre 95.

Why don't you lay off and let people have their own opinion....

Axl has sounded great on some of the rock am performances... such as "nightrain" for one.

 :peace:

Shockingly enough, there are people as well, or better informed than you that still don't agree with you - myself included. I'll spare you the accompanying digression on the mechanics of vocal technique. Also, as much as I could give a toss for post counts, do you really want to set the tone this early in your tenure here that you consider your comprehension of all things GNR superior to the average poster?

edit: not that I'm saying you're average ppebe.  ;)

Adler was there?!?! What a sight I wonder if Axl was aware.

was steven adler really there??

i don?t really believe it, but it would be nice anyways.... especially if he talked to axl...


did jarmo complain about the setlist by the way?  i mean he went to 10 shows (excluding the accoustic one of course - different setlist...)

i don`t think so.... yet people who didn`t even go to one show are whining about the set list....   it just doesn?t make any sense...

+1 It's so refreshing when someone actually makes a logical post.

are there any pictures from this show?

Yes, on the Tour section.

haha what guides you into your judgement on his singing and on my ignorance? those lovely Boots?
Viva the ignorance!  bless you dude!  You don't seem to know a thing about singing in general. That would be fine if you didn't state your highly subjective opinions as fact.

For the folks that were there at the vegas shows.... Was it hot and musty up in there during the concert?

and were people sweating? ???

Im asking this so I know what not to wear during the San Francisco Show

I Agree with you ... in a show Atmosfear is completly different. I would go to as many shows as I could if they played next to me ... unfortunetly, i'm in Brazil, and i don't have the time neither the money to get right now in America to see them...

But now get my poiunt of view: I'm a fan ... it's natural that i always want more. GNR have one of the most amazing collection of great songs in rock n roll history, and i would love that they explored that... its just a point of view.
If I Said " BORRING " sorry, that was not what i was thinking ... The word is predictible , but EVERY SHOW has a UNIQUE aspect ( AND THAT is maybe why i get em all in the internet - all that i can).

About TWAT> I dunno, you were there ... and i was not. But for being too long ... its only 1 minute more than Better. But if you say so, you're right ... i wasn't there.
Why they don't release the album so?? :( I love this song ...

at the end : Congrats for been in allm those concerts in 06', they have been wonderfull.

thanks!
They were awsome!
I wish i was there... :D

I made the mistake of wearing a jersey...but it wasn't too bad by the end. Just at the begining it was pretty warm.

I'm disappointed with this show because this second vegas show is no different than any of the european shows which happened this summer. Because it's the same. The same show. disappointing.

Yes, because everybody at the Vegas shows went to Europe this summer.  ::)




/jarmo

Good point Jarmo.  :D

Well, I was at both Vegas shows, I wasn't dissapointed at ALL. I was so fucking happy each night, and I'm going again in 2 weeks in Bakersfield, and even if it is the same setlist, I know I will be VERY happy, cause IM SEEING GUNS LIVE! ?Thats what shows are for!! ?Not for the people who want every single bootleg!!

why should Guns N`Roses play a different show in America, then in Europe? That makes no sence at all!
There is stil ALOT of americans who want too se a show, like the once in Europe.. where they play almost every
song from the legendery Appetite album. That makes perfectly sence... Remember this is still also warm up dates.
and a new album is still not out.. But we now knows it will be released very very soon! So be glad GNR is ?out there
doing things right... Everything points to many months with GNR out rocking.. and im sure we soon will be supriced
again.. its just a matter of time til a whole new era in GNR history...

Wear a tshirt, but depending on where you stay/park, bring a sweatshirt or something. Its been nice the past few days, but could be fucking cold after the show.

About TWAT. It's a long song cause of the long solos and the slow tempo. Not cause it's 1 minute more than better. It's also a bit difficult for fans to relate to a song that's bit slower when they listen to it for the first time.

About the "same setlist". You can't "want more" when you get none, meaning that you haven't been to a concert. It would be better if you at least judged from some bootleg instead of reading the updates on the internet (which would still suck, but at least it's better than reading about it)...