Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I've read many times before about how Nirvana changed music forever:
(In magazines like Q and Kerrang)

About how without Nirvana the music scene of today would be completely different.

About how when grunge fell, radio turned to Pop.

About how dark music would?ve become by the mid 90s, and how bands like GNR and would still rule the world.

About how Kurt Cobain supposedly caused Axl to have a mental breakdown, and fire the rest of the band.

Does any one really believe these kind of articles, and if so were Nirvana really so good for music after all?

imho Nirvana have done nothing to improve the music scene. They've made it a lot worse. I guess Nirvana is the reason why many kids are so "depressed".
I'm sure the music scene would have gone in the grunge direction even if Nirvana didn't exist though, but other grunge bands such as Alice In Chains and Soundgarden were much better than Nirvana imo.

i think they brought a lot to music. not only was they're music great, but they also brought the aspect of being a dangerous rock band that didnt give a shit about anything back to the music industry, which i miss nowadays

a world without nirvana...ahh yes, i can see it now, rock music would have continued to dominate and improve and get better and better.....ahh yessssss, many bands would still be around, and many would have gotten the recognition they deserved.

.....

but they did, and killed off everything.

In other words, Nirvana was the Nazis of the musicindustry

Did GNR not do that?

Nirvana wasn't viewed as a dangerous band.  I don't think they really did anything special for music, just basically pave the way for a bunch of shitty bands that would follow.  Cobain had a few good songs, but Nirvana never impressed me.  I just for the life of me don't understand how these magazines can label him one of the top guitarists of all time.  His playing was nothing special at all.  Basically Nirvana was the womb for goth to slide it's ugly wang into and impregnate to form the most ugliest evil of all........emo.  "Oh I'm so sad and gloomy, yet please love me, but not really because then it would be popular and I want to wallow in my self pity, but please still buy my record."

thanks to nirvana we have emo :crying:
i also think metal went to shit in the 90's where is all the good metal bands these days? oh yeah thats right there is none.
infact it just wasn't nirvana but the 90's started a big downward slide in music.  but thats just my opion. :smoking:

on another note the music scene has only one place to go and thats up. we will have to wait and see what the new genertion of kids that were not affected by the 90's have to offer.
oh and every scene dies and i give Emo and all that shit another 2 years, 3 at the most but 3 is really pushing it.

Inspite of lots of bad music, there was some good music to come after Nirvana like:

Ehhhhh? Himmmmmm? Rightttttttttt!

Oh yeah there was none, except from bands that were already around.

I'm sure the next GNR album will end emo, and we will all be saved.

All nirvana(among others) did was bring grunge to the mainstream, All these years later and fucking hip hop and pussy rock have taken over the airwaves, If Nirvana were still around they would be doing exactly what Pearl Jam are doing, Still releasing material but nothing groundbreaking. IMHO

 :beer: Heres to GnR saving the day!!

I do like Nirvana, I cant still understand why people blame Nirvana for the music industry shit, and "great bands" of the 90's dissapear..fuck, that has nothing to do! ?90's were a great decade for music, period! Nirvana didnt kill metal, grunge was a another kind of music, another way to play rock, Im not saying Kurt was the best guitar player , 'cause he wasnt, he was the anti solo god! and he knew it! ?and we know it, but the guy was talented, you cannot deny a song like "smell like teen spirit" wich was like a "my generation" from the Who. (not comparing them by the way, just an example)
Anyway, why do people say "Nirvana killed metal"?? ?fuck! thats stupid, and let me tell you, Good thing Dimebag or Phil Anselmo from Pantera wasnt listening to that shit!, ' cause Pantera's 90's albums are METAL as far as im concerned. Just an example of a 90's metal, i can give hundreds of examples of metal bands that were still "alive" in the 90's. ?
The way i see things, is that "metal" was mainstream before grunge, then grunge took that spot, but thats in your Mtv!!!  or billboard or shit of that nature.
Metal have always had  their fans already, If you are fan of metal and you blame ?a trend ? 'cause of ?"metal" going away , then you are poser! you dont need to follow trends you dont like, dont pay attention to them. period, ?trends dissapear, good bands dont, and thats why this thread exists now, ?after 12 years of Kurt Cobain's dead,  people still blame Nirvana!!?? Fuck!!! :o

Thank God for Nirvana. Thank God for all of the other Grunge bands as well.  Without the whole Seattle movement, hair bands might still exist. Nirvana wasn't the only band that helped change music like most people think and I remember back in the day, they weren't always the most popular Grunge band.  Pearl Jam was huge (and still is), plus you had Soundgarden and Alice in Chains.  So even without Nirvana, music would have still changed AND THAT'S A FACT!!  But like I said before, thank God it did. I couldn't even imagine if "Glam" was still popular. I know a ton of people here wish otherwise because that time was probably high school and college for you AND you still wish those bands were around.  I'm glad we don't have to put up with Warrant, Poison, Slaughter, White Snake, Mr. Big and all of those bands these days.  Sure Poison can still sell shows, but they can't sell albums for shit.

I strongly believe that generation's 'My Generation' was 'Youth Gone Wild' by Skid Row. I still wait for the day that my generations 'My Generation' is released. Maybe GNR will do it.

Metallica, Death, and Pantera had much bigger impacts than Nirvana. Pantera and Metallica killed thrash (although it had long been in decline), and Death (especially with the Human album) helped make death metal the popular substitute for what thrash used to be. Of course, great bands like Cynic, Atheist, Morbid Angel, and Deicide helped too. ;) Black metal also became a distinct genre during the early 90's, moving away from death metal; they used to be very similar. Bands like Darkthrone, Immortal, and Mayhem helped develop black metal. While immature, angsty teens listened to grunge, hardcore nihilists and closet cryptofacists enjoyed the Romantic esotericism of black metal.  : ok:

As for grunge, Alice in Chains and Dinosaur JR were more important to its development. Nirvana helped make it popular, but unlike Death and Mayhem, they didn't bring anything innovative to the music. Without Nirvana, some other grunge band would have finished off the rotting corpse of hair metal, which was a dead genre by the late 80's anyway. Hair metal was stuff like old (pre Theater of Pain) Motley Crue, Twisted Sister, Ratt, Lizzy Borden, and Def Leppard. By the late 80's, hair metal was replaced by mediocre cock rock (Poison, Warrant, Enuff Z'Nuff), and this was replaced by grunge. That's the history.

Looking back, the only good glam bands I can think of from the late 80's are Skid Row and GnR. The vast majority seemed to have sold out in the mid 80's...

Metallica maybe but not Pantera.

From Rolling Stone: The album famously knocked Michael Jackson off the top of the charts, ended the reign of the metal hair bands and, for one brief, shining moment, made the world safe again for rock & roll.

 It strikes me that some people seem to beleive that Nirvana was the only band ever to be rock & roll. They always seem to be okay with Slash, but they are always Axl haters.

Once again I'll  post the following:



In a sense, you really had to live thru Nirvana to grasp they were more that just their music (4 chords & meaningful lyrics about nothing), they lead the revolution. Would bands like Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, & AIC have still hit it big? Absolutely. "Rusty Cage" and "Man in a Box" were already hits by the time Nirvana broke, and RHCP & Jane's Addiction already had hit it big. But for some reason, some reason, Nirvana was the one that changed everything.

Don't blame Kurt, he helped music. There were plenty of great bands in the late 90's, but they weren't the one's radio stations chose to play, they chose to playLimp Bizkit & Creed & Godsmack.. Then your current emo trend that they've been playing lately. Whoever chose to push those bands into the spotlight is who's to blame, not Kurt & Nirvana.

fact is, nirvana got rid of the musicianship in rock, and now everything is depressing..

you hear anyone with zeppelin or aerosmith influences on the radio in the 90s?? I doubt it...

nah, id love GLAM METAL to have been around more. But still, its having a revival now, so too bad for lame ass nirvana trying to kill it off. it just proves that music is good, or else it wouldnt be coming back.

why do people whenever they mention glam metal always list the WORST glam metal bands???

why not list Motley Crue, Ratt, Dokken, Skid Row????

and no, I didnt live through the 80s, I was born in 88'

Skid Row- Glam Metal?

Just nobody say GNR were.

well Skid Row arent really glam metal I guess...their first cd maybe..


But I mean those bands like WASP, RATT, dokken, motley crue were the FIRST bands to do that... It wasnt trendy.. they were wearing that shit since the mid 70s because they wanted too..they were HEAVY and had good musicianship...

then mtv took over and hence come the copy-cats like warrant, poison etc...

Ratt and crue are fucking ace.

Id class this song as this generations my generation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaqZJANa0Jk
enjoy :D

Sorry mrlee, but i'll never forgive you for posting that link, and making me sit through that.

They rock, so i have no shame.

Ugly kid joe wasn't after nirvana dip shit.

It annoys me when people say so and so wasn't hair metal. GNR were hair metal at one point. They were good and they were different than the other bands but they were still hair-metal. Same with Crue and Skid Row at least for the first album. All the good bands changed their sound with every album like GNR, Crue and Skid Row but they were a variation of hair metal.

A. Read the fucking rules, and don't call people a "dipshit"
B. 'Everything about you' was written & recorded in the spring of '92. Nirvana had EXPLODED onto the music world by December '91.
C. Even though the band UKJ may have formed prior to '91 (as did many bands like Everclear and Offspring) they probably would not have gotten airplay and heavy MTV rotation without Nirvana changing the scene because they would still be playing duecebag glam bands like Pretty Boy Floyd, Mr Big, and Poison. Notice the change in hairstyles & clothes in the two vids, that's as big a change as the music which Nirvana & grunge changed.


I don't know who you think you are calling me a dipshit here Noobie, but JohnnyBlade better step away from the keyboard in mommies basement and quit talking all Tough Tony.  :rant: :rant:

Good music shouldn't have to make a come back, it should have never left.  Glam hadn't been around for along time or at least almost nobody cared about it. Grunge made all of those Glam bands look like fucking jokes because everything was based around that stupid image they were portraying. It was at the point where it wasn't even about the music anymore. Glam went from everything to NOTHING and has pretty much stayed that way. You say it's making a "revival" and it really isn't. It will never be as big as it once was or half of what it once was, face it. Nirvana is still around and always will be. Kurt has been dead for 12 years and Nirvana is still a huge band.  Look at GN'R for instance, their music has never had to make a comeback, NEVER.  They have always been relevant and they were formed in a time of Glam\Crotch rock.  Thank God they aren't a hair metal band and that most people are smart enough not to consider them one. I enjoy some hair metal bands but it's not something I would drive around and listen to in my car everyday. I have never liked Motely Crue, Ratt or Dokken as some have said. That's just not my thing and again that's an opinion that I am allowed to have. I'm not making fun of people that still love their hair metal music and I wasn't calling any of your music "lame ass" as you have called Nirvana. BTW, How many world tours have you been on in your life, to be able to call Nirvana "lame ass"?? How many records have you sold?? How many millions of people know who you are?? So don't call the band "lame ass", when infact they are a million times more relevant than your miniscule life will ever be. If they were so fucking "lame ass", I would love to follow right behind them then and be fucking "lame ass" as well, so my music could be world renowned and I could have tons of money to show for it. Plus, I would have every girl in the world wanting to fuck me. Pretty lame ass, huh??  "LAME ASS" bands don't change the face of music and Nirvana was one of those bands that helped do that. Why would you still want "Rock" to be about big hair, hair spray and wearing make-up?? If that's what you think ROCK MUSIC is, how the hell do you have room to call Nirvana "LAME ASS"?? I don't care how many posts you have, but "LAME ASS" NONSENSICAL COMMENTS are decelerated and do nothing POSITIVE for conversation.

EDIT:  WOW!!!!!  I cannot believe someone actually said that "Youth Gone Wild" was more of that generations "My Generation" than "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was!!!  Come on now... that's so fucking laughable. I like Skid Row and I like the song, but it just doesn't compare to SLTS at all, especially from the "My Generation" type song standpoint.  When Nirvana was out, I was listening to GN'R, Nirvana and Pearl Jam more than any other bands. All of my friends were the same.  I mean, that was our music, Nirvana and Pearl Jam were the top bands of that generation. That's just how it was. It's not up to other people from other generations to say anything different than that. I was living it and I was living it in school and that's just how it was. Nobody gave two shits about Skid Row back then. The 90's were fucking great and I'm so happy that's when I grew up. The majority of the music from the 80's doesn't even compare to the majority of the music in the 90's, when comparing the two today. BE REALISTIC. Fuck, I'm even a fan of a lot of 80's music, but I also know how to be realistic.

Regardless of what you say, I still hate Nirvana. Alice In Chains were a much better band.

ofcourse you think that way, your a trend follower you were a teen in the 90's and followed the trends other 90's kids followed. so ofcourse you think nirvana was the greatest thing ever and the 80's were lame blah blah, yeah i get it. but grunge was more about image than anything else, think about all of the best players came from the 80's. they had image and could play their instruments like no others and had a good time while they were at it. 80's wasn't about looking like a homeless person and crying in your own self pitty, it was about good times and making the best of life not about killing your self. oh and last time a checked grunge isn't around anymore either. so why don't you go put on your smelly flannel jacket and stupid doc martins and not wash your hair for a month, role around in some dirt and cry about how bad you smell and how sad life is.

incase you havent noticed, EVERY SINGLE MUSIC HAS BEEN SOLD ON AN IMAGE whether hair metal was banking on their image, Grunges no image was banking on an image none the less...

so, you grew up in the 90s when hair metal had died..

tell the people that skid row didnt matter to the people who grew up in the 80s ::) ya, 18million albums sold worldwide, nowbody gave a shit about them ::)

I wasnt even around in the 90s and I can tell you musically the bands in the 80s were better... of course you liek the 90s better, you are nostalgic for it because it was your youth...

basicly what i said, i'll add to the fact that hair bands get the most flack for image but they are talented and people praise punk bands like the sex pistols who couldn't play worth shit so that tells you right there that they sold image, punk sells image not music becuase belive me punk music sounds horrible. same goes for grunge.

SPOT ON!!!

ENOUGH SAID!!

Wow, I love when people take everything I say out of context. That's really cool of you. I never said the 80's sucked, RE-READ WHAT I TYPED!!!!  Don't call me a trend follower like it's such a bad thing because you liking hair bands in the 80's growing up is no different.  I can't believe that to this day how so many of you are still so pissed off that Grunge killed off your music.  It's sucks, but it happened.  And don't try to tell me about how everything is based on an image, I know a lot of shit is. My point of course being, that the hair metal era became more about THE FUCKING IMAGE OVER THE MUSIC AND THE IMAGE WAS A TERRIBLE ONE!!!!!  Everyone was sick of the big hair and the make-up, PERIOD. And to whoever said that I think Nirvana is the greatest thing ever, YOU OBVIOUSLY CAN'T FUCKING READ!!!  I never once said Nirvana was the greatest ever and fuck off for saying Alice in Chains is the better band like you think it's going to piss me off, WHEN AIC IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE BANDS, THAT I TALKED ABOUT A FEW POSTS AGO!!!!!  Don't try to make me look like I'm oblivious, WHEN I ALREADY DISCUSSED THEM!!! I LOVE AIC AND I KNOW THAT THEY ARE THE BETTER BAND (In my opinion as well), BUT WHO WAS MORE IMPORTANT TO MUSIC?? You're a liar if you say it wasn't Nirvana or you're just in denial.  I'm not going to argue anymore, because I won already. Look what history has to show us, LOOK EVERYONE.  What happened to GLAM??  IT'S WAS "KILLED OFF"!!!!  Don't be mad at me for it.  I can't believe I'm actually arguing with a group of people over hair metal. I understand a ton of you grew up in that era and are SUPER OFFENDED that you're era of music was killed off by my era of music, but you have to get over it. Why can't we all get along??  I'm not going to argue when it's 10 against 1. So keep taking what I say out of context like a bunch of illiterates (I know you aren't, so STOP ACTING LIKE IT!!!). I'm done and you can all reply to me and say the same shit over again, that obviously doesn't matter at all because as I said before, "LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF MUSIC" and then tell me who's right??  Why hasn't the music of the 90's become the joke of rock history like hair metal has??  Maybe I grew up on a different planet than you guys did??  So go get your faded black Warrant shirt and put on some Monster Ballads and I'll go put in Pearl Jam's "Ten" and smile because that album helped kill hair metal just as much as "Nevermind" did. Peace out people.  ANd don't forget, "She's my Cherry Pie!!!"

EDIT: I just have a few things to add now that I have slept and it's not 5:00 in the morning. Someone mentioned the Sex Pistols and how they only sold on image, well that's not true at all. They weren't that great musically and Johnny Rotten wasn't the best singer ever, but they had something to say and people wanted to hear about it. That's a fact. It wasn't the image ONLY that made the Sex Pistols one of the most important bands in history of music. They were probably the most important band with ONE OFFICIAL album EVER!!  I hope someone will actually help back me up on that one, because it's sad if you think Punk was ALL AN IMAGE AND NOTHING ELSE.  The Ramones were a great fucking band and weren't sold on image alone.  You could even go back to the New York Dolls, who actually helped start Glam, but also helped lay the ground work for the Punk Music scene. Image isn't what sells everything, great music sells great music. Just because the Pistols weren't the greatest musicians ever born, doesn't mean they weren't great.  They were doing Punk music in a different and dangerous way, and again, had something to say that people obviously wanted to hear about.  I hate that people take the level of a musician and base how great he is based on that. How does that make sense??  I don't think it's about how great you can play, it's about how great you can WRITE and how original you can be.  If I can play guitar like Eric Clapton, but can only play other peoples songs, where is that going to get me??  But if I play guitar as good as Jerry Cantrell and I can also write some of the best and most original songs ever written, won't I go further??  People keep saying over and over that when Grunge killed hair metal, that all of the great musicians of the time were forgotten and replaced with shitty musicians.  Hmmmm... it must take a pretty shit musician to wipe away a whole genre of music, huh??  Ever heard of Mike McCready?? I think he is one of the most underrated guitar players of the last 25 years and can play guitar just as well as almost anyone from the hair metal days.  Everyone bases Grunge off of Nirvana and Kurt Cobain and makes opinions around him, and that's not fair. What's wrong with being innovative and doing something different and against the norms?? Isn't that what Grunge did??  They decided not to make Glam Metal music and do something different for a change, AND OBVIOUSLY that's what the majority of music fans wanted because they were sick of Hair Metal. Thus, bye bye to the whole Glam\hair band scene.

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Who cares what happened after Nirvana?! If you listened past the charts and Kerrang then you'll be ok. Theres hundreds of great bands out there if you ignore the woeful Emo fad and commercial chart rubbish. 

As for the demise of Skid Row, Poison and other hair metal bands, well it was only a good thing. If Axl thinks Seb Bach is the best support he can find then GNR wont be changing the music world anytime soon. Not for the better anyhow.

I am sorry for my posts seeming like I am freaking out because I use the word Fuck a lot and maybe it makes it seem as if I'm angry, but they really are just calm, "normal" posts.  I don't want people to think I'm yelling in my mind when I'm typing because I really am not.  I typed that shit at like 5 in the morning, which is about the time I go delerious from not sleeping for over a day (NO I'M NOT ON DRUGS ANYMORE! I've been clean since April!  INSOMNIA I TELL YA!) and I probably wouldn't have typed it the way I did if not for that fact.  Thank you for the "chill pill" though, it did help a lot.  Wow, I haven't taken any type of pills for months and this one is making me feel really good, can I get more??  :beer:

I'd be agnry too, but I'm still laughing about the "Youth Gone Wild" is the "My Generation" of my generation comment :rofl: :rofl: (thanks for catching that, I didn't read half the posts in this thread)..


I'm 33, and I consider that more like the 'Incense and Peppermints' or 'Itsy Tiny Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini' of my generation. Something I look back and laugh at. Sebastian Bach is a tool and Skid Row sucked as did all those bands.

I like Nirvana a lot. And I really don't think that one band, no matter how good or bad could "kill metal".

Lol, fully agree there chief, although Slave to the Grind was pretty good at the time. Sounds incredibly dated now though.

Thanks to Axl for shoving that talentless has-been back into the minds of those who tried to forget about him for years..... Whos next for the support slot? Winger?

As for Nirvana, great band. They didnt kill anything. Well apart from Kurt of course.....

Which is why I'm glad in my posts that I named more than just Nirvana, because you are absolutely right.  Maybe it would be better to say, "Seattle killed hair metal"?? 

Since when musicians are considered as dangerous people or bands? Some musicians are just possers, addicts , crazy people ...

grunge didn't kill hair metal, hair metal killed hair metal. just like every genre record companies find orignal bands who did well on the charts then they mass produce bands with the same formula. i never said grunge killed anything i know metal killed it self grunge just gave an alternative to something people were sick off and trust me people got sick of grunge as of every music genre and people are getting real sick of emo soon becuase its the same thing theirs a million of them that all look and sound the same, ring a bell? when i say i hair metal iam not talking about warrant or poison or fucking what ever gay late 80's bands they sucked the record company bands that had the formula look this way release an album put out ballad and rock song sell a million copies then go away. they are the ones who killed it. don't get me wrong i love alice in chains i dislike nirvana alot though but i really hate when people only focus on the bad bands of the time being the ones from the late 80's ie poison warrant, mr big and all the other cheesy copies. but if you look at bands like motley crue the real inovaters they never looked the same or sounded the same on each album as soon as everyone started to copy them they changed it again, they struggled through and maid it big? and release album great albums in the 90's and are still here today selling out arena's for the past 2 years on tour and don't deserve to be lumped into the same sentance as fucking poison or warrant or all the other late 80's garbage.

If they weren't crazy, we wouldn't love them.

We can almost all agree that Poison and many other hair-metal bands were nonsense, but it's 1992 that matters (GNR), not 1985 that matters. Their sales in the US fell dramatically, around the time of Nevermind. Although the UYI's sold great outside the US, it would be the record companies thinking about the US, and the same for other (commercial) rock bands.

Well...since the person who's post I replied to said so!

since when does songs like the threat and slave to the grind sound like shes only 17???

go back and watch mtv and  let them tell you what to like next...

Ya, your a real big guage of talent... sure skid row sucked.. . tell that to the 18million who bought their albums..

just because you swing from kurt cobains balls and think hes the fucking messiah doesnt mean hair metal sucks ::)

some of you people are so ignorant...

thats your opinion... and opinions are like assholes, everyoens got em..

once agian, I figured ALOT more people here would be open minded.. but it seems like alot of people here are the "spoon fed everything the medi and mtv tells them"

i hate these anti glam metal people.

this is how it is

nirvana produced one decent albu, only decent. They rode off the success of one single, then rode off the success of a market trend brought about by MTV. They wouldnt even be remembered now, if it wasnt for there stupid, contradictive hypocritical frontman killing himself.

All these "hair bands" as you call them, have more talent then any of those fuckers from that over rated bore of a band.

And even more to add, notice as soon as nirvana were over all the other "grunge" bands soon faded out of popularity.

nirvana would have too if kurt had have stayed alive.

funny how these "hair bands" are more remembered now, and people want that music back and class that time as "the golden age of music".

Skid row dont sound dated on slave to the grind, its a fucking awesome album.

Now you guys can go sit listening to nirvana and still pretend the whole grunge movement is happening still and feel like your apart of something.

I'm a huge hair metal fan but you're wrong. Nirvana had more than one hit and In Utero was a fantastic album. Nirvana were a great band and so was Alice In Chains.

in utero is terrible. it really is..

alice in chains tbh arnt much like grunge, there more metal but with a cool use of 2 vocalists. so i leave them out of this.

I love In Utero, it's my favorite Nirvana album. The new song they uncovered "you know you're right" is also very good and the unplugged was cool.

The best thing Nirvana gave the world was their cover of "The Man Who Sold The World".

Skid Row is not hair metal  :rant: :rant:!!!

Will no-one other than us seems to beleive so.

their first album had some hair metal influences, but  the songs Slave To The Grind, Piece of Me, and many other songs are very heavy metal.

Does anyone here believe that Nirvana, effected Guns? I thought this might be brought up a bit more.

The question was Nirvana's influence was good or bad, not if they were a good band.

maybe as people, but not as a band, UYI was still massively popular. But later on, who knows

After Nevermind went to No1, the UYI's sales in the US fell.

still stayed on the charts for 108 weeks

Axl wanted to sell 40 million combined on both albums worldwide, they done more than 35 million after their tour from what I can remember. However only like 4 million per album in the US is part of that. When AFD sold almost 20 million their alone. Axl wouldn't have liked that.

did nirvana affect guns??

Id say Yes and No.. I think they had an affect on them, but guns did alot of damage to themselves..

Slash and co didn't like the pressure Axl put on them to sell albums. If they sold more in the US then maybe they all would have gotten along together much better.

IDK, gnr was about imploded in 1991, I think they all knew after the UYI tour it was done... axls ego had gone out of control and he thought he was like God or something.. add his Huge ego with slash and companys drug problems... Izzy left, it was falling apart....the Titanic so to speek was slowly sinking...

axl felt that he had to outdo AFD, which is why he is like he is today.. when in reality what hes doing is the exact opposite of AFd.. afd was just quick, not thought out too much raw guitar rock...

I think slash, duff, izzy etc. accept they cant make another AFD which is why theyve been putting out album after album...

True, but the UYI tour finished in what 1994.

I think it's hilarious how personal you are taking this whole thing.  I don't know what world you are living in but these "hair bands" are not worshipped like you think they are.  NOT MANY PEOPLE WANT THAT MUSIC BACK AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE HELL YOU GET THAT FROM???!!! (MAYBE PEOPLE HERE DO, BUT THAT MY FRIEND IS NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE) People that were huge fans of it before??  Of course they want their music back, it was all but erased from the face of Rock N' Roll history.  "The Golden Age of Music???"  Are you kidding me??  THE GOLDEN AGE??  Skid Row doesn't sound dated??  Whatever you're on, give me some bud.  You are acting pathetic and it's so funny. You're telling people to go listen to Nirvana and "pretend the grunge movement is still happening so we feel a part (two words) of something",  when you are doing the same thing but in a more pathetic way because your favorite music doesn't even matter anymore.  You are in the minority and you can argue all fucking night long, but you are.  You can sit and pretend that "hair metal" is the "Golden Age" and that it's SO IMPORTANT AND EVERYONE WANTS IT BACK if that makes you happy.  I can't stop you.  You're right, Nirvana had only one single that they rode off of. That's a dumb statement.  REALLY DUMB!!!!!!!!  You must have curled up in a ball and not turned on the radio or bought any NEW cd's for 10 years after Hair Metal was NO MORE.  Did you not go out?? Did you just stop living?? I don't understand you.  It's like you went to sleep for so many fucking years and you just woke up and act like hair metal is still relevent and it's not and it won't ever be again.  I can't believe you think Nirvana wouldn't be remembered if Kurt didn't kill himself!!!  That's another dumb statement.  You are in a fantasy world and it's all your own.  Skid Row still sounds modern in your world and all of the grunge bands are forgotten.  Keep dreaming bud, keep fucking dreaming.  Pearl Jam is bigger than all of your little hair bands combined right now and that's just how it is.  It's a fact.  Nobody lives the life and dreams that you have anymore. You probably still sit there and think about a girl that broke up with you 20 years ago because you can't get over anything. I think it's so fucking funny.  You make me laugh with everything you say and with each post it gets more and more pathetic. You keep pulling nonsense out of your ass and trying to pass it on to people as FACT and it's NOT!!!!!  I know when you claim that "Slave to the Grind" doesn't sound dated, that you haven't listened to music for 15 years and everything you say is total bull shit.  I feel sorry for you. I really do. I don't even hate hair metal but you're making me hate it because you're acting like a little fucking kid about this whole thing. I'm not like a huge Grunge follower and I don't live in the 90's like you live in the 80's still, but I think it's fucking funny how mad you get about Grunge and you yell at me like I had something to do with it. WHY DON'T YOU GO TELL THE WORLD HOW YOU FEEL AND SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE LAUGH IN YOUR FUCKING FACE ABOUT IT!!! Don't hate me cause because Grunge ruined your childhood, just make shit up about grunge bands so you feel better about yourself. That's what your good at, making shit up. "Nirvana only had one song..."  Hahahahahaha, I have nothing left to say to you but laughter and more laughter.  Bring it!!

I always thought nirvana were ok, even though nevermind just sounded like the pixies with heavier drums n bass, now theres a good band. Granted the american music scene before nirvana came out was a joke, you know poison, motly crue etc. The only band from that time that i like is GNR. Despite this i think nirvana killed rock n roll. Before them here was always a chance that a good rock band might come out of america, like GNR, but nirvana made it uncool to be a 'rock star'. There hasnt been a really good, huge rock n roll band since GNR, from america anyways. I think one of the reasons nivana were so influential was the fact that their songs were so simple and easy to play. If kids wanted to play Guns songs they had to have guitar lessons for like ten years.

At the end of the day i think the main reason nirvana are so influentual is coz of the fukin media. If magazines keep printin shit eventually people will start to believe it. Oh yeah and the fact that kurt killed himself. If Axl woulda killed himslef he would be the icon that kurt is today.

Now rocks dead and all we have is fukin rap and so called r&b. So in one way i wish nirvana had never happened. At least rock n roll might still be alive.

dude did you even read the post?? MOST of the people defending glam metal here are UNDER 20YEARS OLD!!!

just because your in your 30s and love grunge doesnt mean your "hip" with the younger culture..

are the grung bands forgotten?? IDK about htat, but they are AS WASHED UP as most of hte 80s band.. people laugh at the grunge bands just as much...

pearl jam bigger??? hahaha motley crue had a #6 successful tour last year.. didnt see pearl jam up there.. where are the other grunge bands?? O wait in the clubs or broken up...

Fact is YOU are also holding onto a music scene that is DEAD.. you make fun of us for liking the 80s shit, but Grunge has been dead since 1994...

Yeah Lennonisgod, I think you'd be surprised that those defending glam are younger, not older. Guns-n-motley, I'll respect your opinion, although I think it's something you really had to live thru to understand.

It wasn't just 'hair-metal', it was New Kids on the Block, Warrant, Damn Yankees, Wilson Philips, Bon Jovi etc.. The list goes on that Nirvana saved us from. Do me a favor, if you could goto youtube, and watch 3 'hair-metal' bands videos, (and throw 1 crappy 1 in, like warrant) then watch Teen Spirit. That's a glimpse of what it was like to first hear about Nirvana. And it wasn't the media which forced it on us, it was totally word of mouth, the album & video were released in Sept, the band didn't explode until December. More & more I'd find people talking about them and hearing the song.

Mr. Lee, you wrong, and please I don't wanna read another 16 year old kid post about how Nirvana would be nothing if he didn't kill himself. Time Magazine wanted to put him & Eddie Vedder on their front cover. Name 1 other rock star in their prime who was asked to be on the cover of Time. That shows you the cultural impact he had on America. To say they would be nothing is laughable. Would they have broken up, yeah I'm sure, probably around the same time as Soundgarden, but who knows, maybe Kurt or Layne Staley would be fronting VR instead of weilland.

Also, 1 decent album?? 1?? Buy 'Bleach', it was produced for $600 and holds in own against ALL of Skid Row's albums. Also Incesticide has several good songs & 2 covers. And In Utero is a great album, and was a risk, as the record company? rejected the first version (they made a few small changes to put it out). Read an interview with Steve Albini the producer (who was a well known producer for indie bands at the time), he loved working with them, but isn't sure he would have done it again because of all the bullshit the label put him thru & critized him & his talents.

1 thing I don't see posted on here is that some Nirvana songs are actual GnR chords, just restructured. I'll try & look them up or listen, but I think 1 is 'Lithium' & 'Nightrain' and I would think the end of 'Rocket Queen' was used in a Nirvana song. I'll look them up or listen to them all. I think I recall hearing 'Terretorial Pissings' was copied off a GnR song ('Anything Goes' maybe).

Stone Rose, you're right The Pixies were a great band, and Nirvana was heavily influenced by them. Another band to survive the late 80's era in addition to GnR was The Black Crowes, they were always considered credible, especially the first album.

It's funny how after 20 years you're automatically considered classic rock. Motley Crue, Skid Row are the favs of teenagers today, heck chicks even dig Bon Jovi again. These people were MIA throughout all the 90's. I suppose in 5-10 years we'll be hearing Hootie & the Blowfish all over again.

Oh, dont get me wrong, I love bands like soundgarden, alice in chains... (actually seeing alice in chains soon)I just hate when people bash on the 80s bands just because of what theyve heard..

I try and keep an open mind to music.. ive listened to Nirvana, I just dont care for it much anymore...


Personally, I think MTV killed Rock...

sure, Nirvana was by word of mouth at first,(just like motley crue, wasp, quiet riot, ratt were in te early 80s) but then mtv took them and shoved them down everyones throats while then dropping older bands..

ive read interviews with bands that all of a sudden their record companys told them they werent going to promote their album, and Mtv refused to play it...


It goes in cycles I guess...

btw.. Soundgarden, alice in chains are considered classic rock now too..

I'm not holding onto to anything FOR THE LAST TIME!!!  And don't tell me that Motley Crue can sell more tickets than Pearl Jam because that's bs.  Don't try to act like Pearl Jam is washed up or something. Then you would be lying to yourself. So, how the hell am I holding onto the Grunge scene?? I don't get it?? I've had the same argument the whole time that Grunge DEFINITELY helped kill off hair metal and so many people are getting pissed at me for it. Like I said before, don't hate me because it happened.  Do you really think I sit here and hold onto the grunge scene?? That's ridiculous. I like Nirvana a lot and Pearl Jam for that matter. Alice in Chains is another one of my favorites. But the TRUTH is I hardly ever listen to those bands very much anymore. I haven't listened to Nirvana all year YET and I have listened to Pearl Jams newest cd. As for Alice in Chains I have been listening to a few of the new live boots. I never started out making fun of anyone or their hair bands AT ALL!!!!!!!  I was attacked and I simply stuck up for myself. If you READ my posts, I SAY THAT I DON'T HATE HAIR METAL and I DON'T HATE 80's MUSIC!!!!  That's fucking nuts!!!!  So stop putting words into my mouth and trying to make me look bad.  I hate one dimensional people that think everything sucks except one form of music, which is what some of you make it seem like.  How can anyone just hate every Grunge band that came out?? There isn't one that you like?? It's like me saying that I don't like ANY hair bands. It would be stupid. I never said it and I never will because it's not true.  Fuck, the New York Dolls helped start the Glam movement in the 70's and that's one of my favorite bands of all time!!!!  I think this is a dumb argument that I didn't start but I will not back down from anybody, especially in real life, BUT WE ARE ON A FUCKING COMPUTER ARGUING!!!!!!  I just woke up and I'm eating my Honey Bunches of Oats, so my argument for now is done. Just stop putting words in my mouth. Long live Cinderella. (I do like Cinderella a lot by the way!)

im 16. i have a girlfriend thanks. the majority of people who think this are also my age.

did you ever learn what a paragraph was?

glam metal lasted most of the 80s and is coming back..
grunge lasted for bout 4 years, at max and isnt coming back, pearl jams new stuff isnt anything like there old stuff, there not a grunge band and they never were. How can you tell me 10 sounds like in utero by nirvana? You my friend make me laugh, especially with your block of writing that was very awkward to read. And nirvana ARE only known for that song.


edit ill add one extra thing

and the fact that your name is "lenningisgod" really gives you no right to say any type of music is outdated when your worship a man who was part of a band who are very dated musically and his own solo stuff is very dated musically.

Dont worry, we can all take pictures of ourselves naked with our naked wives and shove it on the front cover of our album cause everyone wants to see that.

if you think pearl turd sells more tickets than motley crue you are insane and probably living in a hole since 94.

lmao what a quote! :hihi:

Guys knock nrivana all you want, but leave John Lennon out of it.

I hate when people bash bands they've never listened to. Skid Row was good, in my opinion better than most grunge bands. Nirvana was ok, I don't really like them, or listen to them, so I personally have no right to bash them. In my opinion Alice In Chains was better than Nirvana. The music of 80's hair metal may live on, but the image has not endured aswell. You don't see Motley Crue dressing up like women anymore like they used to. Also, Skid row were not hair metal.

First of all, you're an idiot that doesn't deserve to listen to music for talking shit about John Lennon and the Beatles. You're also an idiot for saying the music sounds dated, NO FUCKING SHIT!!!!!  THE BEATLES ARE FROM THE 60'S YOU FUCKING GENIUS!!! OF COURSE IT'S FUCKING DATED!!!!  You obviously don't know what a paragraph is either, because paragraphs use indents. The tab button doesn't work when writing a message here, so shut the fuck up about that. Putting spaces between sentences, isn't a fucking paragraph. I can't believe I'm arguing with a little kid and that's the reason I'm done arguing. I actually thought I was arguing with an adult that has lived a little bit of life, but you don't know shit yet boy. When the hell did I ever say that TEN sounded like In Utero?? NEVER!! Stop putting fucking words in my mouth you little fucking kid. No wonder you have done that every fucking time you write a response. You have nothing to say, so you make shit up. You can't fucking read and I'm tired of being misquoted by you. AND I'm not your fucking friend so don't ever call me that again, thanks.  I understand there are other young people here, but you are one of kind. None of them can possibly be this annoying. I'm so glad you told me your age because I am so done with talking to you. You are trying to argue about something you didn't even live through, with someone that did. You don't know more than me and don't try to act like you do.  Oh, I didn't realize I was supposed to put a space between every single sentence I wrote, sorry. My block of writing?? Are you fucking kidding me?? When you have almost a 4.0 in college through your Junior year, please let me know. You little one, are not on my level and are not worth talking to whatsoever. You can continue to be an idiot and make responses to me and misquote me all you want, but I'm done reading it. I don't have time to sit and argue with a 16 year old about something that happened when he was fucking 1 year old. Tell your girlfriend I feel bad for her. Thanks.

Your trying to tell me about maturity? mate i dont need to listen to advice from someone that rights a block of mess, and obviously cant read fuck all, as everything you seem to be implying ive said i havent said. your just twisting words or you just cant understand plain english.

I was saying you have no right to say a form of music sounds dated when you listen to john lennon or the beatles. And just cause your a fan boy of them and someone doesnt like them its a big deal.... and whats all this about you "being attacked" read my first post to do with hating anti glam people, is your name mentioned in there? No its not, so you learn to read, you picked this fight, you keep trying to twist my words because you dont like the fact your wrong.

And your only 24 mate, your oppinion means shit. Your balls obviously havent dropped yet.

http://www.last.fm/user/mrlee192

             I'll ignore everything you just said to me because I don't have the energy or time to argue with a 16 year old kid that is half brain dead. How did I write a block of mess by the way?? I used perfect punctuation and spelling, but it's a mess?? Should I start putting spaces between every line I type?? Who the fuck are you to tell people here how they should be typing?? Anyway, the link above is a link you gave to me in another thread (because you stalk the shit out me and it's weird) and told me to shove it up my ass, but what I found funny is that Nirvana is on your top bands list. Why is that?? For someone that hates Nirvana as much as you, why the hell would they be a favorite band of yours?? And by the way, I never started this argument. Go back and read it little one. I simply stated my opinion and was attacked for it by a 16 year old kid. OH YEAH, so because I'm 24 and to you that means my opinion doesn't mean shit, what does it mean for someone that is 8 years younger than I am?? This is the last time I will tell you, stop fucking stalking me in this forum. It's pathetic how hard you have taken this argument and have followed me to 3 other threads. Well, since I am the older one and obviously the more wise, BY A FUCKING LONG SHOT, I will end this little argument that I won, based on factual events that have actually ALREADY happened. You can sit and keep bitching about how hair metal is the best and whatever else keeps you on that level of amentia. FACT is history will tell you what happened and even though you were a year old when hair metal was replaced with Grunge, you can look it up and read about it. Now leave me alone, try to act at least somewhat mature, and just let it go.

By the way, I indented my paragraph for you. Well because if there isn't an indent, it is too hard for you to read apparently. Well, that IS SOMETHING YOU HAD STATED EARLIER and that statement proves just how fucking smart you are. 

Boring....

Since you both asked me to stop the other from harassing you, I'll end this right now.




/jarmo